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Speaker 1
Oh, Catherine, I thought of you because on yesterday's show
00:08
we talked about a woman who named her a newborn
00:10
daughter Disney, and I was just curious as your take
00:15
as a Disney one of the Disney adults who I
00:19
confer with it at times, along with a few others.
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What's your what's your take on naming your daughter Disney?
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You know, I think it's a little on the nose.
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I thought you'd say that. So we like Disney, so
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we name them Disney.
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Speaker 2
Oh okay, our favorite movies is Disney, so we named
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them that.
00:39
Speaker 1
My favorite food is hamburger, so this is my kid burger.
00:43
It would be like, I'm a big movies fan and
00:46
so I named my kid movie what instead of like
00:50
a character from a this is my daughter. AMC.
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Speaker 3
Stubbs, Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season four to twelve,
01:06
Episode four of Say Guys. It's a production of by
01:10
Heart Radios, the podcast where we take a deep dive
01:12
into American shared consciousness.
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Speaker 4
And it's Thursday, October thirtieth, twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1
All hallows, eviv Oh, yeah, Eve, Eve, Eve happy they
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believe to you. Hey, if you like Wicked, the film musical,
01:29
it's your day. It's national or you're just from Boston.
01:32
You think something's cool, It's National Wicked Day, Palm, it's
01:35
National publicist Day. Speak up for Servey. I don't know
01:38
what the fuck that is National candy corn Day. Nope, sorry,
01:42
no fucking hate. I'm anyone who listens to the show
01:45
for the last eight years when I fucking hate candy.
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Speaker 4
Forn Famously, I do not listen. Oh it's a one
01:50
way see here. Famously, I do not listen to anything
01:52
you're saying to me. I do like candy corn. It's
01:56
just little little nuggets of frosting, and I will I
02:00
will take them. Do we think that there's like a
02:03
contingent that is like, actually, the real scary day is
02:06
October thirtieth. That's National Wicked Like they just right, they're
02:10
the biggest losers in a feud. Ever, like I don't
02:13
know why everybody dresses up on the thirty first. The
02:16
thirtieth is the real day. Hell yeah, Hell yeah, man.
02:19
My name is Jack O'Brien aka, I'm a sugar freak.
02:23
Sugar freak, I'm sugar freak a ow that one courtesy
02:28
of No Clue on the discord. Because I'm a bit
02:30
of a bit of a sugar freak. They're replacing chocolate
02:35
with sugar in our candy this year to cut costs
02:38
on their end. And I might be the one person
02:41
who's like, yes, yes, we yah, yes, yes, don't mind
02:45
if I do as I reach into my kid's candy bag.
02:48
Speaker 1
Hey, look over there. Thrilled to be joined as always
02:51
by my co host mister Miles Grass Miles Gray aka
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got dark chocolated in my lip. When not dip, you dip,
02:59
we dip. Put the chocolate in my lip. When not dip,
03:02
you dip, we dip. Okay, shout out to charl On
03:05
we o my Charles ennui fromage. If you want to
03:10
completely disprospect the French language, I pick up what you're
03:13
putting down. Thank you for that, akay, because yeah, the
03:16
dark chocolate, the special dark hershees that you get on homie.
03:19
I don't chew those. I let them melt in my mouth.
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It's just a much more pleasant experience with the dark
03:24
chocolate melting down and.
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Speaker 4
Get your teeth and gum health. The exact Four out
03:30
of five Denis recommend that you just pack a big
03:32
lip of chocolate. My friend Kevin, I used to say
03:34
this ship. He's like, you know what I would do.
03:36
Speaker 1
It's like remember airheads that candy. He's like, I put
03:39
a little bit and I put him. I line my teeth,
03:41
my upper and top lip, so I have sweet dreams
03:44
when I go to sleep. He had the worst teeth,
03:48
like making like a dental cast. Yeah. Yeah, his front
03:52
teeth are riddled with cavities. He will get it fixed. Ship. Yeah,
03:56
it's worth it for the bit.
03:58
Speaker 4
We're thrilled to be joined in their third seat by
04:01
a very funny actor improviser, a founding member of the
04:04
hip hop improv group North Coast and founder and operator
04:07
of Sweet Tea Studios. It's Douglas Why.
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Speaker 5
It's a daddy with a patty eating York pepper mint patties.
04:17
Speaker 1
Hey, hey, hey, hey hey.
04:19
Speaker 5
Let's just going into the Halloween theme aka Douglas Parmesan. Yeah, yep,
04:23
Deep Parma in the building.
04:25
Speaker 1
Oh cross, Okay, I caught that. I caught that.
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Speaker 4
How are you doing, Douglas. Wonderful to have you here,
04:35
wonderful partner of big money players. And hey, a lot
04:38
of the shows that we we make over there. Yeah, yep,
04:41
I'm d Studio.
04:43
Speaker 5
We have a lot of fun with the iHeart podcast
04:45
in here. We have a stradio lab in here, bombing
04:48
with Eric Andre in my studio. But most of all,
04:50
today I get to have fun with you at TDZ podcast,
04:54
of which I have heard.
04:56
Speaker 1
Is the best of the best of the iHeart crew.
04:59
So I thank you. I've heard very little. Yeah, because
05:02
I thought they were lying that this was even a
05:05
show when someone was reaching out book, I thought it
05:08
was a community hang.
05:10
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, we're thrilled to have you here.
05:14
We're gonna get to know a little bit better.
05:16
Speaker 1
Hell Y. First, we're gonna tell the listeners a couple
05:18
of things we're talking about. We're gonna talk about.
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Speaker 4
There's a new movie called Nuremberg starring Michael Shannon, Romney
05:24
Malick and Russell Crowe, and they just dropped some of
05:28
the posters for it and they kind of gave Hermann goring,
05:32
like the like a superhero treatment. It's just like Russell
05:36
Crowe is gouring and you're like, so we'll talk about that.
05:43
We'll talk about a bunch of layoffs at Amazon that
05:46
are happening because of AI. It's happening.
05:49
Speaker 1
It's happening, you guys, can't wait for that universal basic income.
05:53
Oh yeah, certainly they stopped talking about that. Huh, that's
05:57
pretty quick. Yeah, it was quick. And then I want
06:00
to talk about the ghost Face mask, which I have
06:02
observed in the past is the most popular Halloween costume
06:07
that I see every Halloween, and apparently it is the
06:10
most worn and sold costume for Halloween in the United States.
06:14
And I just want to talk about why so popular. Yeah,
06:17
everybody love ghost Face so much. All of that plenty more.
06:21
Speaker 4
But first, Douglas, we do like to ask our guests,
06:24
what is something from your search history that's revealing about.
06:28
Speaker 1
Who you are?
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Speaker 5
Okay, So I've been very into DJ sets on YouTube lately. Okay,
06:34
So I never thought I would be that guy that
06:37
was like, I want to hear someone else's music preference,
06:40
But because of so much decision fatigue in my life,
06:43
I love just pulling up someone in their living room
06:46
and they spin vinyl for me. So I've been searching
06:49
a lot of DJ sets, like specifically dub music. It
06:52
just helps me zone out at the end of the day.
06:55
So lots of DJ sets.
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Speaker 1
Wow, So you like listen to some my old Trojan
06:59
dub kind of vinyl like like, yeah, there's something about this. Yes,
07:06
wait you oh so you. I loved watching DJs on YouTube.
07:10
There's there's like so many fun ones. There's there's so
07:13
many now that I see at coffee shops and I'm
07:15
always like, Okay, now everyone's getting so into like the
07:17
background of where they're DJing. Yeah, but I'm like, sure, man,
07:20
get get it into the coffee shop.
07:22
Speaker 6
Oh.
07:22
Speaker 5
I love a good setup. I love I'm like, okay,
07:24
what they got the what are the plans they've got?
07:26
They've got some cool lighting and oh I've never heard
07:29
this song, and you know they're not making any money
07:31
off it because all the rights are going to it's
07:33
just about the vibes and yeah.
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Speaker 1
So check out Drumming Based on the Bike. Drum And
07:37
Based on the Bike. It's a guy who, during the
07:40
height of lockdowns, wanted to like DJ. He's like a
07:43
drum and based DJ, but wanted people to do stuff.
07:45
They're like, well, we're all outside on bikes and just
07:48
biking as one big mob of people. So he has
07:50
like a huge tricycle that he spins on and there's
07:54
like like a thousand people on bikes behind him. It's
07:57
all that's sick. Yeah, I love that.
07:59
Speaker 4
Yeah, I'll check that out for sure, taking the like
08:02
animal herd approached where it's just like they can they
08:05
can pick up they can pick off some of you
08:08
around the edges, but they're not going to get us all.
08:10
Speaker 1
Now were two thousands strom. Yeah.
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Speaker 5
You know what's funny is on the on the back.
08:15
On the other side of that, I have no interest
08:18
in a silent disco, Like I would never want to
08:20
go to a silent disco, but there's something about a
08:23
drum end bass on the bike that sounds really fun
08:25
to me.
08:26
Speaker 4
Yeah, that's what silent disco is, where everybody has headphones
08:29
in and yeah, so so to avoid noise violations and
08:33
also to encourage just freaking out anybody who like happens
08:36
upon them. Yeah, it's about upsetting other people. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
08:42
I don't like that. I think I think the upsetting
08:44
other people is part of part of the joy of
08:47
listening to loud.
08:48
Speaker 1
Music, you know. Yeah for sure, ye wave a fist
08:52
at you, Yeah exactly. Thettle guy called the ship poop.
08:57
What is something you think is underrated? Douglas? Okay, underrated?
09:02
This is my hot take.
09:04
Speaker 5
It's not too cultury but New York City beaches I think,
09:09
you know, people are always talking shit about like, oh,
09:13
Coney Island's dirty, Rockaway this or that.
09:15
Speaker 1
I think they're.
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Speaker 5
Awesome, totally underrated. I go all the time, even when
09:21
it's cold, to rock Away. I feel like, like, I
09:24
don't know, I feel like it's totally a little paradise
09:27
out there.
09:28
Speaker 1
I've I've never I've been to New York a lot,
09:31
but I've never gone to the beach. I'm always curious
09:34
because I see people at the beach. I see people
09:36
with spaghetti on the beach. Yeah, well what spaghetti on
09:39
the beach? Yeah, it's like a Dominican thing apparently. Yeah.
09:42
I kept saying, like, harrow go out and talk about
09:44
eating spaghetti, spaghetti on the beaches out there. But what wait,
09:47
what do you think? I guess I look at it
09:49
from an LA perspective, and I'm like, New York is
09:51
not a beach place, but.
09:52
Speaker 5
It's exactly And there's part of me that's like, great
09:56
more for me when I hear stuff like that. So
09:59
first off, water's cold in LA, water's cold in San Diego.
10:03
Water's cold here. So anybody who's like, oh, well, you know,
10:06
it's warmer out in California. You're like, sure, it's generally
10:10
the air is warmer, but the water's still cold. In
10:12
both places. You're gonna have to wear a wet suit
10:15
either way. But there's like a decent breakout here. It's
10:19
a great cross training if for a lot of different
10:21
type of waves. Like there's great food, like there's great energy,
10:25
and it's also got like a little DIY music scene
10:28
by the beach. And I just feel like it's like, oh,
10:31
definitely something that a lot of people haven't tapped into
10:33
who live here, especially I mean obviously during the warmer months,
10:36
but even when it's not warm, just like getting out
10:39
being near the water, there are whales that breach out
10:43
on rockaway from like it's like during the fall the
10:47
whales come out. I've served when there's like porpoise, like
10:51
schools of porpoise out in New York and people just
10:53
like are like, oh, New.
10:54
Speaker 1
York City beach. That's disgusting. I would never go.
10:57
Speaker 4
And I'm like, cool, it is because we're all images.
11:00
Like you walk off the beach and you have like
11:02
three different syringes stuck into different parts of your body.
11:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. I was just thinking of like the East River.
11:07
Is that why people are just like, it's the East River, right,
11:11
New York.
11:14
Speaker 5
Also, some of the best tap water New York City
11:16
does shout out to the Ashokun Reservoir. Yeah, but yeah,
11:20
I mean and maybe when the Ramones were going to
11:22
rock Away, maybe there was syringes in the water.
11:24
Speaker 1
But just from them, just from that supplied extra explicitly
11:30
by them. Yeah, I mean it is.
11:32
Speaker 4
There's a book called The Powerbroker that is about like
11:36
the building out of a lot of the beaches and
11:38
the parkways and the attempt to democratize all all of
11:44
the things that New York has to offer by a
11:47
horrible racist guy named Robert Moses. But it is cool
11:51
to see like somebody was just like at a time
11:55
when ambitious people went into doing public works projects and
12:03
built that whole thing out. It is pretty inspiring and
12:06
also a little depressing because it feels like it takes
12:09
place in a different universe than yeah, where we exist
12:13
now and have to hope that some tech billionaire tries
12:18
to develop something in a place that we want.
12:21
Speaker 1
To get maybe Robert Moses will get the Marvel treatment
12:24
on a poster or two if for.
12:27
Speaker 4
Yeah, so when you're going to the beach of the winter,
12:30
or you're going to surf, or are you going like
12:34
fully clothed to like look out at the water and
12:38
feel guilt about killing your friend big pussy. That's my
12:42
only experience New York City beaches.
12:46
Speaker 5
Yeah, no, I mean, it's definitely with the surf intension.
12:48
If the waves are too big and above my skill level,
12:51
I'll watch people surf. But it definitely has to do
12:55
with the surf community there. But the best surf is
12:59
in fall. It's when the hurricanes hit, it's when the
13:03
storms are heading and so it's more consistent shaped waves.
13:07
In the summer that kind of flattens out and it's
13:09
not as good as surf. So yeah, pretty much year round.
13:13
But I mean I even last there was like a
13:15
really grade ten days stretch last January, and I said it,
13:19
I'm going in the wet suit. I'm getting some salt
13:22
water and some sunlight, and I went in like thirty degree.
13:26
Speaker 1
Weather last year. Good for you wouldn't be me. You
13:29
don't feel any guilt about having killed your your good
13:32
friend big pussy. Look he was, he was, he was
13:35
collaborating with the feds. Had to be done. Yeah, that's
13:43
everyone in New York. Yeah, yeah, passed it.
13:47
Speaker 7
Is.
13:47
Speaker 1
What's something you think is overrated? Okay?
13:50
Speaker 5
I struggled with this because I didn't want to say
13:51
something too current that But I've got a current one
13:55
and I've got a knock current one. My not current
13:57
one is I'm not into eighties new wave music. I
14:00
think it's overrated. Anything that's like oh no no no
14:05
no no no no no no no no no no. Yeah,
14:10
it just sounds to me like it's like it sounds
14:13
like an unwashed blanket of sound.
14:16
Speaker 1
Give it.
14:16
Speaker 4
Give us an example of like I heard the example
14:20
like who what's the most famous?
14:22
Speaker 5
Like, you know, Smith's. Maybe I'm sucking up the genre
14:25
morrisy Is that the wrong genre? I'm not super into
14:28
Smith's and Morrissey. That's what I was assumed you were
14:32
talking about, Yeah with my little but you know, and
14:35
like I I think he's a badass person, but I'm
14:38
just not super into like the talking heads.
14:40
Speaker 1
Of it all.
14:41
Speaker 5
I know they're like legends, just some of that genre doesn't.
14:44
Like I love eighties music. I'm a yacht rock like fanatic.
14:47
Speaker 1
Okay, that makes sense because if you're fucking with yacht
14:51
rock you're not trying to hear, like, no, you don't know, Yeah, yeah,
14:57
you get you get it. Yeah, No, I'm like give
14:59
me logins. I mean they're kind of close. It's pretty close.
15:08
It was just like from a warmer beach, you know.
15:12
Like the difference is like I feel like an english
15:14
person doing new wave like Electro is looking at like
15:17
the Thames and it's gray. Yeah, everything is so fucked up,
15:22
and then you have a yacht rock where it's just
15:24
McDonald like with his what what's your uh more? Current? Overrated?
15:39
Oh Man?
15:40
Speaker 5
Season four of The Morning Show is not doing it
15:42
for me. I don't know if you're caught up on
15:45
the show.
15:46
Speaker 1
They lost me with the free preview they gave when
15:49
Apple TV came out. Okay, so you're not okay, Okay,
15:54
This reason is pretty hard, wasn't it sort of like
15:57
mirroring like the Matt Lower thing that first season that was.
16:01
Speaker 5
How they got out the gate, you know, that was
16:03
season one and Steve Carrel as a canceled sexual harassmer
16:08
is always going to be funny no matter what show
16:11
it is.
16:12
Speaker 1
But I think the difference is like his, like Michael
16:15
Scott didn't get canceled but then this character did but
16:18
still kind of the same guy, very cancellable guy. Yeah.
16:22
I feel like he is.
16:23
Speaker 4
Good at channeling the worst human beings alive right now,
16:27
you know what I mean, Like because he apparently nailed
16:30
the Matt Lower thing. He's that movie Mountainhead is like,
16:34
you know, I enjoyed parts of it, but his performance
16:38
is fucking so it's like a Peter Thiel esque like billionaire. Yeah,
16:43
Fox Catcher another great pervert. His Donald Rumsfeld.
16:49
Speaker 1
He is underrated, evil bastard actor.
16:53
Speaker 4
Yeah, but what so, what where have we gone since
16:58
the Matt Lower storyline?
17:00
Speaker 5
We're in ai Land, we're in the US is now
17:04
receiving dissidents from foreign countries but unintentionally, and the Morning
17:09
show is in the middle of the international drama. The
17:13
woke new CEO ended up becoming just as bad as
17:17
your straight white predecessors, and.
17:19
Speaker 1
That's that's it. That's a cool, like interesting idea.
17:22
Speaker 5
But the way it was executed was very melodramatic and
17:26
there was some payoff, but man, it was just like
17:28
getting there.
17:29
Speaker 6
It just really felt like, oh so, yeah, I feel
17:33
like AI stores both when it's incorporated into the making
17:38
process and also when it's the subject matter has not
17:41
has not done great things for I mean, I don't know,
17:45
I'm I'm kind of a freak.
17:47
Speaker 4
I didn't like the latest Tron movie starring Gared Letto
17:50
as a superhero AI. I didn't see it, but apparently
17:54
it's such shit. But yeah, I feel like trying to
17:58
get people's brains around what AI means that that's not
18:02
where we're going to go for it. It's not going
18:04
to be the writer's room full of you know, middle
18:07
aged people who are reading the New York Times and
18:11
being like, man, I guess this is the.
18:12
Speaker 1
Wave of the future. Huh right, Yeah, something about this
18:17
fangl technology. What if it's just like magic or something,
18:21
just like really good that stuff.
18:23
Speaker 5
Yeah, I think it's hard to extrapolate, like a human
18:26
angle from something that is so extractive of humanity, and
18:30
it's you're always having to inject the humanity into.
18:34
Speaker 1
It, right. Yeah.
18:36
Speaker 4
Well it's weird because TV news is as good as
18:39
it's ever been, you know, in its golden age, So
18:42
it's weird that the Morning Show is not like, yeah,
18:45
it is funny, like that feels like a premise that
18:48
made sense maybe even like ten years ago, when people
18:51
are like Good Morning America versus the Today Show, Like
18:56
that's a big rivalry in television and there's like a
19:00
lot of add money at stake, and I'm sure that's
19:03
still true, but like, I don't feel like I've heard
19:05
anyone talk about either of those shows in over a decade.
19:09
Speaker 1
Well, there's also just so many shows like that. There
19:13
are shows that I haven't heard people talk about. They're like, oh, dude,
19:15
it's the best show out there, and then you're watching, like, oh,
19:17
it actually is pretty good. Damn.
19:19
Speaker 3
Yeah.
19:20
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's too much shit out there, too many shows.
19:23
Speaker 4
There's something you are feel I don't. I don't really
19:26
dip my toe often into I'm watching The Chair Company,
19:28
which I really enjoy, although the third episode made me
19:31
feel like I had a type of mental illness that
19:34
I haven't had up to this point.
19:36
Speaker 1
But I watched the first two. I'm obsessed. It's so funny.
19:40
I loved the second episode. Yeah, but what is there?
19:44
Speaker 4
Is there something you're streaming that you're you're feeling particular?
19:47
That's what I had, I had The Chair Company? Chair Company? Yeah, yeah, right,
19:52
have you watched it yet? Most no, Because Her Majesty
19:55
also wants to watch it. So I was like, oh,
19:57
I had a plan to blow through the first three
20:00
just solo.
20:00
Speaker 1
But you know how it is man when you respect
20:03
a show that you're supposed to watch with your partner,
20:05
that inevitably they don't watch after the first episode, and
20:08
then three weeks and you missed the discourse, and then
20:10
you have to binge watch it. On the finales you
20:11
can keep up with the discourse and then they ask
20:13
you what happened. I thought were watching it together, but
20:15
they wanted to watch reruns a Buffy.
20:17
Speaker 5
We've all been there, that old trodden, well told tale. Yeah,
20:22
and you you call your partner, did you say her majesty,
20:25
her majesty?
20:26
Speaker 1
Yes? I love that. I love that. I might be
20:29
stealing that, Miles, It's fine, it's I mean, she is
20:31
the Queen of England, so oh okay, correct, Sorry, it's
20:35
an AI chat bot that I said should be the
20:38
Queen of England. We don't want to go too deep
20:41
into that.
20:41
Speaker 4
It gets really sad, but well, let's let's take a
20:45
quick break and we'll kind of and talk about the news.
20:58
Speaker 1
And we're back, and.
21:01
Speaker 8
Let's start out a little pop culture, well, a little
21:04
poppy culture. Culture mm hmmm. So next month, it feels
21:08
like a lot of the movies that are supposed to
21:12
be Awards contenders are coming out and I haven't seen
21:19
these particular movies I'm about to mention, but like, based
21:22
on reviews, they're like not supposed to. Like the people
21:26
at festivals were like, yo, House of Dynamite, the latest
21:31
Catherine Bigelow or yeah yeah, Bogonia, And it seems like
21:38
people are pretty tepid on once they've dropped, so we're
21:42
kind of that. The exception being one battle after another
21:45
seemed like it was kind of I don't know again,
21:49
people were like, yeah, it's good, and then everybody really
21:51
really loved it once it dropped.
21:53
Speaker 1
Not a commercial success though.
21:55
Speaker 4
Yeah, not quite a commercial success. But we do have
21:59
the first trailer for Nuremberg from writer director James Vanderbilt.
22:04
Speaker 1
It do we know who that is?
22:06
Speaker 4
I'm not, I'm not familiar, but it's a historical drama
22:09
starring Michael Shannon, Rommie Malick, Russell Crowe that wowed the
22:13
Toronto Film Festival last month and it drops next month.
22:18
It's a World War two like that. This seems like
22:21
a cool I'm glad this movie is coming out. It's
22:24
World War two in the European theater has ended. Adolf
22:27
Hitler is dead spoiler alert. His acolyte and the and
22:31
designated successor, Hermann Goring played by Russell Crowe, has been
22:36
captured the Allies, led by the unyielding Chief Prosecutor Robert H.
22:40
Jackson played by Michael Shannon. The always But when Michael
22:44
Shannon's serious in a movie, it's it's frightening, very frightening.
22:48
Speaker 1
I have that. I hate serious Michael Shannon. Yeah, he's
22:51
kind of tough because he's like, he is that funny
22:54
to you? Oh godless? Yeah? I like stoner Michael Shannon
22:59
from like the movie Mud.
23:01
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, a little more fun have the task of
23:03
ensuring that he and other surviving leaders of not the
23:06
Nazi regime answer for the unveiled horrors of the Holocaust.
23:10
Speaker 1
That's based in reality. They made Nazis answer for their crimes.
23:12
Just so I'm sort of taking it, taking the team
23:16
to what I see now. Wow wow, I thought they
23:18
were all chilling in Argentina, MAXI and with a my tie.
23:21
Well now they're just giving money to Argentina. There's still
23:26
an Argentina connection right now with forty billion we gave
23:29
to them. Uh wait, so that's do you know? You
23:33
know Herman Gurring, right, he tried to. He found out
23:36
Hitler was gonna off himself and was like, hey, dude,
23:38
can I be the on that. Yeah, that's what he
23:42
did in the last day, and then he was kicked
23:44
out by Hitler. Was like, get this motherfucker out of here.
23:47
That's just an idea of what herman. Herman Gurring was
23:50
all he made. He's a fucking vile motherfucker. Was also
23:53
the dude who was pressing the Reichstag fire immediately to
23:56
be like, it's communists, it's communists. Yeah, real architect of yeah,
24:01
a lot of it. Was the second most powerful Nazi.
24:04
Yeah it is. I don't know.
24:06
Speaker 4
Maybe it'll be instructive to see how people could be potentially,
24:10
at some future hypothetical point held accountable for their war crimes,
24:15
but it isn't.
24:16
Speaker 1
I see also that those people still are so driven
24:18
by their own narcissism and ego. Hey dude, her you're
24:21
gonna offer yourself in the bunker. Get I get that.
24:25
I get that kind of biding my time. This is
24:29
my spot. Jesus so to promote the movie.
24:33
Speaker 4
Sony released online character posters, which is you may recognize
24:40
those from like when X Men First Class came out
24:43
and there was like a Beast poster, and you know,
24:46
Superman had a character poster. There was a Star Wars
24:50
The Force Awakens one with Han Solo, and then they
24:54
really fucked up the right side of his face.
24:56
Speaker 1
I don't know if you remember that, but it yeah, yeah,
25:00
the proportions are way off here.
25:03
Speaker 4
I think they added a blaster like holding it up
25:05
over his face and then we're what's funny.
25:08
Speaker 1
Because his face is actually at an angle, and then
25:12
they used a straight on perspective to fill in the
25:16
other part of his face, which is why it looks
25:18
so weird and.
25:19
Speaker 4
Like a younger person. It seems like that part of
25:21
it has botox. Yeah, model, yeah, but uh yeah. So
25:29
character posters usually used highlighting popular heroes like the X Men, Superman,
25:34
Han Solo, and people had literally like made the joke
25:38
when Christopher Nolan was releasing Oppenheimer, they like made parake
25:43
posters with like Robert Downey junior Oppenheimer with like him
25:47
standing in front of like a mushroom cloud.
25:51
Speaker 1
Like folder of papers too, like he's like I'm I'm
25:54
an inventor.
25:58
Speaker 4
But yeah, no, he really assumed that they would employ
26:02
this strategy for a historical drama about real life tragedy.
26:06
So Sony Sony deleted the posts. But I just feel
26:10
like probably a good rule of thumb not to try
26:12
and marvelize literal nazis.
26:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, you know, just yeah, I think that's I think
26:18
I think we'd all get behind that. No need to
26:20
do that. They could just be like a piece of
26:23
shit or something and then say Gurring, Yeah there you go.
26:26
Speaker 5
I say, you know what about the lawyer. Let's marvelize
26:29
the lawyers or or some of the people holding them
26:33
to account, to put them in the hero's journey. You know,
26:38
it's like, Okay, we give them cool backlighting, we give
26:40
them beautiful touch up. It's like, are we gonna start thinking,
26:43
oh this who was this guy?
26:46
Speaker 1
Why is Gurring fucking shredded? Why are you smirking like
26:49
that shirt opening rippling six pack ads? That's so weird?
26:55
Twins on his shoulders.
26:56
Speaker 4
I mean, marketing movies like has never been like that.
27:01
That discipline has never been above trying to fool people
27:04
into seeing a movie by misleading them about what the
27:07
movie is. Yeah, there's many famous like trailers where it's like, oh,
27:12
I thought this was a totally different genre of movie
27:16
than it was. And I do wonder if in this
27:19
case they're trying to hit both sides of the American
27:24
populace by being like, yeah, we're gonna like make a
27:27
movie about them being held to account. And then they're
27:30
also like, hey, look how cool Gurring looks for like
27:33
trying to get like Steven Miller to like.
27:36
Speaker 1
Go to a movie. Yeah, you know, yeah, let's get
27:39
Gurring with a cattlebell, you know, some lifestyle. Yeah, right,
27:43
this thing his facial expression, Russell Crowe as Hermann Gurring
27:48
facial expression. It looks like if you didn't know the
27:51
context and you took away his outfit and just his
27:53
facial expression, you think this is like mister Holland's Opus
27:56
or something, where it's like he's very pleasant and he's like, huh, yes,
28:01
what a good life I've had. You're on trial for
28:03
your fucking war crimes and because you didn't get the
28:06
firing squad, you ended up taking a cyanide capsule the
28:09
day before.
28:09
Speaker 5
But anyway, so aspirational, so yeah, yeah, going out like
28:14
a g Yeah, I want firing squad, no hanging, give
28:19
me the sign?
28:19
Speaker 1
Then who gets these people to cyanide? I'm always curious, like,
28:23
who's handing that off to them?
28:25
Speaker 4
Oh, man, you need a Siinide capsule. I'll give you
28:27
a cale. You need a Nuremberg cyanide. Guy, it's Helen
28:31
Hunting contact. She shows up, gives you the cyanide and
28:35
then leaves.
28:36
Speaker 1
Right right right yeah.
28:37
Speaker 4
Our writer JM pointed out that this is not dissimilar
28:41
from have you guys seen the Kingsman movies? The Kingsman franchise.
28:47
At the end of King's Man, which was the last
28:50
one and the one that did the least well, didn't
28:52
see that it included a post credit scene that introduced
28:55
Hitler as if it were like Thanos or something like
28:58
he comes out of like a a door, like bathed
29:02
in light, and they're like, yes, it is our new.
29:06
Speaker 1
Scene, folks. He always needs to be sweaty, like he
29:08
always needs to have like the meth sweats with his
29:11
hair flapping around like that's don't just he always needs
29:14
to look stressed out and like a loser.
29:17
Speaker 4
Yes, you ever see that video? The I guess it's
29:19
not a video. I don't think they quite had a
29:21
digital video back then, but the film did reel of
29:24
him just sitting at the Olympics, and like you've always
29:28
you we've all seen like the photos of him like
29:30
standing up right and like watching the Olympics, but somebody
29:33
like actually got moving camera footage and he is like
29:36
rocking back and forth and just like working his jaw
29:40
and like it's just like this guy is so high,
29:43
it's unbelievable. He's like uncomfortably high at every moment of
29:48
his life. Like all those speeches that people are like, yeah, really,
29:51
really a great speaker. I've always been like, he seems
29:55
fucking like he is tweaking, he's yelling to fucking settle down.
30:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. An amount of meth only reserved for fighter pilots
30:05
and Hitler, right, yeah, yeah, I mean I think the
30:08
whole society at that time was kind of on one.
30:13
They started really handing out math pretty freely. Yeah. I
30:17
didn't know it was readily available at the time. Oh yeah,
30:21
oh yeah. They were like, have you guys heard about
30:23
this ship? Please tell me more. The fur is addicted
30:29
to them.
30:31
Speaker 4
Disappear go on makes you makes you really good at
30:34
big engineering projects that you'll never finish, which I mean
30:40
that kind of was their thing. They were like, we're
30:42
building a giant Uh didn't they have a giant magnifying glass. Yeah,
30:48
I believe this is I remember this from the crack days,
30:50
like the number of like uncompleted Nazi projects that were
30:54
like tornado gun checking the cannon.
30:59
Speaker 1
They had a rail gun.
31:01
Speaker 4
They had a giant space magnifying glass that was gonna
31:05
use the sun's beam to like roast entire sections just
31:10
the globe.
31:11
Speaker 1
Oh yeah, just very like meth project.
31:13
Speaker 4
Just a civilization littered with like unfinished meth projects that
31:18
were never going to come to fruition, and then some.
31:20
Speaker 1
Of them did.
31:21
Speaker 4
They had like a train that had a giant, like
31:25
three football field sized rifle. It was just like so
31:28
this is gonna be hard to aim, right, it's on
31:31
a train and it's too big.
31:34
Speaker 1
The sun gun does feel like peak drug addict invention,
31:38
where Hitler's like, I bet he had a fucking magnifying glass.
31:42
He was fucking with all high and he's like, oh fuck,
31:45
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Inventors get
31:49
because like like when you read about it's like they
31:52
researched the concept, but that feels like you're think it's like, yes,
31:54
we'll look into that, and they probably looked like, what
31:56
the fuck is this guy talking about? Dude, a giants
31:59
magnifying glass. It's just all want to obcinerate the targets
32:03
on Earth. Okay, okay, all right, Just.
32:06
Speaker 4
Briefly going off of the story we were talking about
32:10
yesterday on yesterday's trending about the fact that we're seeing
32:13
a you know, right word shift not just here in
32:17
the United States, but across the globe, and connecting that
32:20
to people's feelings that maybe the current order of things
32:25
wherein we just trust corporations to take care of everything,
32:31
that maybe people are starting to feel like not great
32:34
about that circa I don't know, the year two thousand
32:36
and eight, and we're just seeing the outcome of, you know,
32:42
everybody losing faith in that system, which is still sort
32:45
of a default in a lot of places, and the
32:49
only other option being fascism. Just another another piece of
32:53
evidence that people might be looking at. Amazon announced that
32:56
they're laying off fourteen thousand corporate employees and that's not
33:00
the end of it. Reportedly, the job cuts will ultimately
33:02
reach thirty thousand because the company wants to replace the
33:06
workers with you guessed it. AI.
33:09
Speaker 1
Oh, I was gonna hope so hobing more people with
33:14
higher paid employees. Dang again, which.
33:19
Speaker 4
By the way, and just like that, this will be
33:22
greeted as like good news by Wall Street, Like this
33:25
will be seen as a good thing. So just seems
33:28
like a bad system to where like this is the
33:33
option that we have other than fascism. Is like, I
33:37
don't know, Amazon is really excited about this AI stuff, right,
33:40
let's give that. Let's give that, give them a cut
33:42
at that.
33:43
Speaker 1
This is all going well because, as we've talked about
33:45
on the show, every example or at least the most
33:48
significant examples of PEP be like my whole human customer
33:53
service team by welcome AI, Welcome to the new age
33:57
of AI. Oh shit, fire, please come back, please come back,
34:03
please come back. What was the one? Klarna? Klarna? Yeah, Klarna, Yeah,
34:07
Klarna went for it and they had to immediately re
34:10
hire human beings because like this, it sucks.
34:12
Speaker 4
Yeah, one the place that allows you to go in
34:14
debt for like a five dollars uber Etz order, they
34:19
let go of their entire customer service team and then
34:23
a year later, So like I was talking to people
34:26
about this.
34:26
Speaker 1
I was talking to.
34:27
Speaker 4
Talking to some other dads about AI, you know, as
34:30
we do fellas, and they knew that they had cut
34:35
their workforce and handed over to AI. Had no idea
34:39
that the CEO of the company it would seem to
34:42
be a pretty significant story, had no idea the CEO
34:45
of the company a year later had literally come out
34:48
and in the media openly been like, we fucked up.
34:51
Speaker 2
Man, The AI doesn't work at all, Like this sucks shit,
34:56
because the way it's covered in the media is just that, yeah,
35:00
they're amazing things are happening with AI.
35:02
Speaker 4
They're replacing humans and so yeah, that feels like that's
35:07
the message that's getting received.
35:10
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, or so many people
35:12
on like shorthand they use like the short en of
35:15
like oh yeah, like I'm sure like with AI, like
35:16
all this other stuff, like they're sort of have bought
35:19
into this thing of just like evoking AI as this
35:21
other thing that's working in tandem with humanity to make
35:24
things better easier. Is like the truth rather than an
35:28
all out advertising marketing blitz from the people who have
35:31
spent billions of dollars trying to get this shit going
35:34
to make you just kind of automatically fill it in exactly,
35:38
exactly exactly this Amazon, is this their first we hired
35:42
or we fired humans for AI?
35:44
Speaker 4
Like interesting, they had put an AI algorithm in charge
35:48
of hiring. Okay to yank it after a year when
35:53
it became clear that the tool systematically discriminated against women
35:57
applying for technical jobs such as software engineers and was
36:00
just like that bad at the job that's.
36:05
Speaker 1
In charge of. I wonder if like the developers of
36:07
that hiring air or like, what's an improvement, you know,
36:09
because before it was racist and massage and now it's
36:13
just mysogistic. Yeah, and it hates women, so look the
36:17
next one, it'll probably hate some other group that we
36:21
can't figure out how the biases got in there.
36:23
Speaker 5
Yeah, and dual Lingo had a similar problem there. CEO said, oh, yeah,
36:27
we're going fully AI. We're letting a ton of people
36:31
go at dual Lingo. We even't fired the al even
36:34
it's like, okay, so I can learn a language and
36:37
speak it to nobody, Like there has to be humans
36:41
involved in the process of learning a language. And yeah,
36:45
I mean like, I'm all for cool tools, but not
36:47
when they remove the person behind the process.
36:51
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, didn't they like delete their whole like social
36:54
media accounts because the backlash was so insane, like we
36:57
don't even need human translators. And then it was just
37:00
like oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god, the backlash,
37:03
the backlash.
37:04
Speaker 5
Yeah, we're not heading towards the Jetsons right now. We're
37:07
heading towards like, you know, scorched earth. People heading around
37:13
like please please one dollar for so I can have
37:16
a place to pee or have water.
37:17
Speaker 1
And it's like we people aren't thinking just because it's
37:20
baked into like the congressional DNA of the stock market
37:24
that profits must be you know, some coming.
37:28
Speaker 5
Yeah, it's like, well, what's gonna happen to everybody? Like
37:31
there needs to be some sort of forethought government wise
37:35
of where what are people going to do?
37:37
Speaker 1
Where are people going to go?
37:38
Speaker 5
I don't care if there's a surplus created by technology, cool,
37:42
like if that's if that's what happens, like that's cool,
37:44
But there has to be a way for people to
37:46
thrive still.
37:48
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, the thing is, we thought we could figure
37:52
that part out early on, and then we realized these
37:54
people are getting in the fucking way, man. Yeah, people
37:57
are in the way.
37:59
Speaker 4
Yeah, the whole system, I mean for a number of
38:03
years now, for a number of decades now, it's been
38:05
a wealth redistribution machine for taking money from people who
38:11
have less money and siphoning it upwards. Like you can
38:14
just see the overall model of like the wealth, the
38:17
wealthy getting wealthier, all other wages stagnating, Like it's it's
38:22
very very clear. They're not hiding it, and it'll be interesting,
38:27
like something's going to happen, something's going to give I
38:30
don't think people are just going to continue to be like,
38:34
uh yeah, man, that guy's bawling.
38:36
Speaker 1
Yeah. I think that's why too. With everything that's going on,
38:40
and there's certainly plenty to feel very cynical about the
38:43
one thing that I try to find optimism is if
38:46
this thing is about to break, then that means there's
38:48
going to be a new thing. Yeah, and what is
38:52
it's the one screeching Yeah, and some people and I
38:56
get why people think like it's going to give way
38:58
to this other terrible reality And it absolutely could, and
39:01
it could also be something completely different. It might it might,
39:04
it might awaken something and people that allows us to
39:08
move move towards something different. It's gonna be bad in
39:12
the short run. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no. Could
39:14
you imagine one day? This is how Mike magical. I'm
39:17
sure some people are thinking like you're like, in twenty
39:19
twenty six, the Dems will take back the House and
39:22
they'll pay it, and then Donald trumple realized he needs
39:25
to lay off, and then he's gonna go away, and
39:29
then I can go back to Brunch and and and
39:33
that's it. And the suffering will continue ambiently around me,
39:35
but I will I will continue to turn a blind
39:37
eye to it and say that has no bearing on
39:39
my life. Sounds sounds like a plantyd. So that's so
39:43
I'm optimistic. Brunch twenty twenty six, that's the plan. Yes,
39:47
do you think the demokrats are looking for someone with
39:49
the last name Brunch? Tyler Brunch?
39:54
Speaker 5
Tyler Brunch has a really good platform, Yeah, Tyler, I
39:59
think yeah.
40:00
Speaker 1
Tyler Brunch. Vote vote bru Oh my god, literally brun.
40:04
Yeah god.
40:06
Speaker 4
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be back
40:09
to talk about Halloween. We'll be right back, and we're back.
40:25
And I wanted to talk about the ghost face mask
40:28
from Scream because I we we have in the past,
40:33
looked at the and it maybe we still will.
40:36
Speaker 1
They were we're kind of running out of time this.
40:39
Speaker 4
Week, but didn't even do the like trending top top
40:44
costumes of the year thing. It's always been a bit
40:47
of bullshit where it's like, you know, they're just finding
40:50
the ones that are like popping up and in the
40:53
news so that they can like and then it's a
40:55
mixture of that with like it'll be like spider oh yeah, Batman, Yeah,
41:00
well spider Man, but the like truly you know, we
41:06
we have thousands of trigger treaders come to our house
41:10
every year. For the past six years, we've lived here
41:14
in a place that like has very like constant trigger treaters,
41:19
and without fail, every year, the most popular costume is
41:23
the scream the ghost Faith mask, Like that is it.
41:27
Speaker 1
And it's like, I don't know, I was.
41:30
Speaker 4
A little bit surprised, Like I don't know it. I
41:33
knew the screen movies were popular, but it's like from eight,
41:37
starting at age four up, people are just wearing scream masks.
41:41
So I feel like there's just something about that mask
41:45
that really connects with the national share consciousness. Like I've
41:51
always thought that Michael Myers is the scariest, coolest Halloween mask.
41:57
But the stream demolishes Michael Myers in terms of like popularity.
42:01
Speaker 1
So I think I got it. I got some ideas.
42:03
Speaker 4
I think maybe yeah, so uh yeah, And on Wikipedia,
42:09
Wikipedia can confirm since the appearance of ghost Face and Scream,
42:12
the costume has become the most worn and sold costume
42:15
for Halloween in the United States.
42:17
Speaker 1
Douglas, you a Halloween fan? Do you dressing? I like Halloween.
42:21
Speaker 5
I dressed up as a Bavarian chocolateeer this year, and
42:25
before that I was a pineapple. Nothing, nothing too scary.
42:28
I keep it light on Halloween, but nothing is scarier
42:32
than a three foot child in a scream costume.
42:36
Speaker 4
Scream you look Michael Myers too. Oh either or true
42:40
foot Michael Myers is hilarious.
42:42
Speaker 1
Michael Myers. I saw that at UCB one time and
42:45
that was a great show. My my Harald team three.
42:51
Michael Myers. Yeah, but no, I mean there is something.
42:55
It's I think it comes back to Van Goh, the
42:59
of it all. It is Monk.
43:02
Speaker 5
Yes, it's memordial, it's deep. No, everyone has felt the
43:07
Scream in their heart and so yeah, that's what I
43:10
feel like.
43:10
Speaker 4
I feel like it's connecting because so one of the
43:14
theories of like masks is that like you know, like
43:18
Michael Myers is the most neutral mask. It's like it's expressionless,
43:23
and I feel like that's what's scary about it, you know,
43:26
is it's just this like blank face that you can
43:30
both that both it's like creepy to have something stalking
43:33
you that like never makes an expression, but also you
43:36
can project whatever onto it, you know, like you can
43:40
project your own scary feelings. Where scream is like the
43:45
or the ghost face mask is the opposite of that.
43:48
It is the most expressive facial expression like possible, and
43:54
they just really like nailed it with uh yeah, I
43:58
mean they So a lot of people will point out,
44:00
like you did. They do seem to be borrowing from
44:04
the Edward Monk Scream, which is a famous painting because
44:10
from the time I was painted in the late nineteenth century,
44:13
I think it symbolized the existential angst and anxiety that
44:16
people were facing with the on set of the the
44:22
technical the Industrial Revolution.
44:24
Speaker 1
Wait till World War one, y'all? Yeah, world War one?
44:29
The face the face seems to be saying coming from
44:32
a deep existential horror and asking the question what's up
44:37
with World War one? World War one? Dude, dang influenza? Fuck?
44:43
I mean, I don't know if to me the reason,
44:46
I think the screen mask is the least scary of
44:49
the masks, and that's why it's so the embrace is
44:54
so easy because you look at it and it looks
44:56
kind of like a It looks like a decoration, you see,
44:59
like when Disney makes Disneyland look all spooky like, and
45:03
it's one of the ghosts where it's like, oh, it's
45:05
a ghost and it's like scary, but it's not like menacing.
45:08
And I think a lot of it comes from like
45:10
the film, so like, yeah, it is like ironic too.
45:14
Speaker 4
Like that's another thing that people have pointed out that
45:16
it's like post you know, Scream is a very postmodern
45:19
movie where it's commenting on horror movies and the rules
45:22
of horror movies, and like they have literal characters inside
45:25
it talking about the rules of horror movies, and so like,
45:29
the mask is both like can can be seen as
45:32
like expressing horror, but it can also it almost seems
45:34
like it's mocking, yeah, exactly, sarcastically being like oh no,
45:39
like doing a Kevin from Home Alone.
45:42
Speaker 5
Yeah, And in the movie, I think there's even a
45:44
bunch of jump scares that end up being a haha,
45:47
I was messing with you man, yeah in the movie,
45:50
And I think that actually helps it be scarier because
45:54
you don't know when it's gonna be the real one.
45:56
And there's so many parts in the movie where people
45:59
are like, oh, okay, stop messing around, come on, take
46:02
it off, and then it's like, oh.
46:05
Speaker 4
No, it's you watch you yeah right, Oh no, it's
46:07
the guy with the very specific voice changer.
46:10
Speaker 1
Yeah.
46:10
Speaker 4
I mean the like I feel like that Michael Myers
46:14
feels like otherworldly almost, and you know, his character is otherworldly,
46:18
like he kind of can't be killed, and it's just
46:20
this like force of evil that keeps coming from you.
46:22
Speaker 5
For you.
46:23
Speaker 4
Where's the screen movies which are like the most that
46:27
the most successful of the box office of any like
46:30
slasher horror movies. I think the first three ones, at least,
46:34
the bad guys are always just like on some Scooby
46:37
Doo shit. You know, it's always just like I've pulled
46:40
off the mask and revealed that it's you know, a
46:43
real person from the movie with a grudge and a
46:46
complicated backstory doing this because they've yeah, usually they've been
46:51
ruined by the world. But I do feel like that is, yeah,
46:54
there's something very human about both who the killers actually
46:59
are in the screen movies, but also like the mask
47:02
is like kind of very like embracing human emotion and
47:07
human horror and you know all of that. So there's
47:10
like which makes sense like that at a time when
47:13
we've like kind of mostly I think left behind the
47:16
idea that like there is another worldly horror that is
47:20
going to do us in like that it's the devil
47:22
that's going to do it, and now we're just like
47:24
people are bad. Yeah, that it makes sense that this
47:28
would be the mask we go with.
47:30
Speaker 1
I think there's like a comfort argument too, because think
47:33
about all the shitty fucking rubber masks that we were
47:37
subjected to in the eighties and nineties prior to Scream,
47:40
and they were like stinky inside of basketball smelling rubber
47:45
faces or like I mean, they're still popular now, Like
47:48
a lot of them were like those in My Near
47:50
Future unfortunately, and like a lot of like the like
47:54
scary ones we're like fucked up and kind of scary.
47:56
You're like, oh, bro, if I like, if I had
47:58
that in my room, I just wouldn't want to really
48:00
look at it, you know. And the scream mask a
48:03
little more comfortably were like a black hood of put
48:05
the mask on, and it's I think again, it's just
48:08
the fact that it's less menacing. I think appeals to children,
48:12
and because it's not like it's not bloody or anything
48:15
or has like you know, like it's like a mutant
48:17
face or whatever. It's like silly ghost mask. But also
48:20
the scream like to your point, Douglas is because like
48:23
you know, Billy Loomis and whatever the fuck Math the
48:26
other guy was called in the first movie was like
48:28
teenagers fucking around with the mask. It kind of has
48:32
that like so sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry sorry sorry sorry. Yeah,
48:35
Victor is giving it to me to be sorry for
48:37
the spoilers. I should have said that it wasn't Billy Loomis.
48:41
But like I think there's like a fun to it
48:43
that also makes it unpredictable, you know what I mean,
48:47
or like you don't like so it really is like
48:48
Mike Myers is, like you can kind of project your
48:50
own intent on it. It's the scream. The ghost face
48:53
mask starts from a place that feels a little more innocent,
48:56
and then from there it's like, it's really up to you.
48:57
How fucked up you want this thing to do? Yeah,
48:59
and to be killed by something that's making the scared
49:01
face that you're making is kind of like it's mocking you,
49:05
you know what I mean.
49:07
Speaker 4
The origin this is a quote from a slash film
49:10
article from I think this is what Yeah. Wes Craven,
49:14
or one of the makers behind the film, say they
49:17
were doing a location scout for like one of the
49:19
places they shot it. They saw this mask it must
49:23
have presumably it was around Halloween, and we're like, what
49:26
about this? And then this quote says no one could
49:28
agree on a mask. And I remember we were in
49:30
a location scout and we found ghost face in a
49:33
box of stuff in a garage where that you were
49:36
location scouting and just like just muddling through their shit.
49:40
Wes Craven immediately looked at it and said, this is
49:43
like the famous screen painting. And so we took that
49:46
to our production and we said, riff on this, make
49:49
something like this. They must have done twenty different designs,
49:53
every one of them was rejected by the studio, and
49:55
finally we were like, why don't we just get the
49:58
rights to the mask? And we have a drawing in
50:00
the dock of like what some of the things they
50:03
did looked like. And they look like fucking garbage pail kids.
50:06
They look like shit, it's so bad.
50:09
Speaker 5
Yeah, really half the brain exposed like no, yeah, and
50:13
not as breatheable. I mean, to Myles's point, children love
50:17
a breathable mask. And these would have been a rubber
50:20
basketball ship hole.
50:22
Speaker 1
Yeah exactly, steam steam cook your dome wearing a fucking
50:26
dumb anyway. Wait, so who's the person who has the
50:28
right That person must be fucking raking into.
50:31
Speaker 4
Yeah, it was like somebody from a Halloween mask creator
50:35
who like got the got the rights. Yeah, so fun
50:38
World a company called fun World that did like a
50:42
series of masks. So the screen mask was meant to
50:45
like kind of be flowy and spooky and like go
50:47
with your standard ghost sheet costume, and so like its
50:52
eyes were like a little bit more like wavy.
50:55
Speaker 1
Yeah, turn that clown outfit, the clan outfit into a
50:59
ghost outfit, would yeah, exactly, ghost up this clan outfit
51:03
basically got all these damn clan outfits I do, But
51:06
the origin story. First of all, the house that they
51:09
were scouting was apparently a house from a famous Hitchcock
51:15
movie that I'm not that familiar with, Hitchcock's Shadow of
51:19
a Doubt. And they found it in a box, Like
51:22
this is how it would exist in a Goosebumps tale
51:27
of a haunted mask that like comes out to like
51:29
possess people. Is like they find it in a box
51:32
in a garage somewhere, nobody knows who like designed it,
51:35
and they're just like try and like copy this, and
51:37
its power is just like so undeniable that it can't
51:40
be altered, and that it goes from like that garage
51:43
box to like movie screens to literally like every other
51:47
face on Halloween night, Like if you know, we were
51:51
talking to Douglas We had the host of a podcast
51:54
called other World on earlier this week, and just talking
51:59
about like the way that these ideas, whether they're like
52:02
from the unconscious or like these powerful energies, can like
52:07
come out and like if if ghost face is like
52:10
representing something real or like otherworldly or like unconscious or
52:14
something like if that's secretly the face of Zozo to
52:17
people who listen to that episode trying to get out
52:20
it has like so profoundly and thoroughly won and like
52:23
in a way that is exactly how it would happen
52:26
in like a Goosebumps. But yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, but yeah,
52:31
the somebody got real real lucky. Apparently the TV show
52:36
tried to like alter it because they didn't have the
52:40
rights like they're and so MTV made the decision to
52:44
redesign the mask for the new series. And it sucks.
52:47
Speaker 4
It's just it's like a neutral mask from like the theater,
52:51
but it with like a blowjob mouth, like a mouth
52:54
made to get it.
52:56
Speaker 1
Looks so it looks like something from like, uh, what's
53:02
the word. I'm like the time of like cortisans in
53:05
Italy or something like a weird porcelain. It's like not scary.
53:08
It looks like it looks like bad decor in an
53:11
old person's house.
53:12
Speaker 4
I can't be scared by like things that like any
53:16
horror movie that happens in the like deep in that
53:20
period like a different period of history, Like I just can't.
53:24
It doesn't scare me. Like there there's that uh I forget,
53:28
like one that took places in Venice that I think
53:29
had Kenneth Brana attached a couple of years back. But
53:33
oh god, I don't know, man, I don't give a
53:36
fuck about this. Yeah, I mean just talking in Venice. Yeah,
53:40
just I think just show them trying to go to.
53:42
Speaker 1
The bathroom back then. That's horrifying enough.
53:46
Speaker 5
No, looks like maybe the Phantom of the Opera would
53:49
wear this, you know, as he's approaching in the catacombs
53:52
or something like that. I say, just give fun World
53:56
the money. I mean, they nailed it.
53:58
Speaker 1
They fucking ate with that one. They nailed it.
54:00
Speaker 4
They channeled something deep and dark about humanity, maybe by
54:05
copying one of the most famous paintings of the past
54:08
three hundred years, but the original Emo King, the original
54:12
Emo King, the scream paint.
54:14
Speaker 1
Wow, this is so people are so into the original mask.
54:18
Like apparently fun World started altering it a little bit
54:21
that there were like change dot Org petitions. We're like,
54:25
bring back the first generation mask, and people are saying
54:30
the original molds are gone. But I'm sure you can
54:33
make another one because oh so the original you can't
54:35
even find the og I think if you look for
54:39
like there no, there are plenty, I think there. I
54:41
think this is for people who are so in like
54:44
there have been different iterations. The one we see right
54:46
now is obviously readily available, but I think there's a
54:49
different one that people were like, no, I want this.
54:52
The Gen one is what I keep seeing on the internet.
54:55
Bring back the Gen one mask. Jesus, Wow. The Schnyder
54:58
cut of masks.
55:00
Speaker 4
Apparently a couple scenes I think the in the first
55:03
scream where it was pre them negotiating the rights to
55:08
get the original mask, and so there you can see
55:12
that the mask is like a.
55:13
Speaker 1
Little bit altered. It was like the version that they
55:15
were going to go with if they couldn't get the
55:17
right Oh dude, the Gen one Okay, Gen one is
55:20
different than the one we see in the movie. This
55:22
is Gen one with like sort of more triangular is eyes.
55:26
Yeah that one sucks. Shit, looks too happy? Yeah, that
55:30
one looks like if like I was hanging out with
55:31
Michael Jackson, I did too many mushrooms. Yeah yeah, why
55:34
is it smiling? Yeah?
55:37
Speaker 4
Yeah, I mean the original, the one that showed up
55:40
in the movie is fucking great. And yeah, that's that's
55:42
the one that I ride for, and that's the one
55:45
that it seems like everybody is obsessed with.
55:48
Speaker 1
And the crusette of Halloween masks. You only need one.
55:52
Speaker 5
You have it your whole life. You're scary your whole
55:55
life yet seasoned.
55:56
Speaker 1
You know, this mask has been seeping microplastics into the
56:00
faces of this family for three generations now, and it's
56:03
now your turn. Ye and now we're all a little quirky.
56:06
Speaker 4
I think the first year that we did Halloween here
56:09
and like we saw so many screen masts. I was like,
56:11
oh yeah, I think there's like a.
56:12
Speaker 1
Scream reboot coming.
56:13
Speaker 4
Wow, that's really like it must be popular with people.
56:16
And it's only grown since then, Like it's just like
56:19
more and more, and now there's like a lot of them.
56:21
You can like press a little button and it like
56:23
sprays blood onto the mass.
56:25
Speaker 1
Oh yeah, those on it. That's that's too much dip
56:28
on your chip man.
56:29
Speaker 4
Yeah, it's simple, simple, too much dip on your chip
56:32
I like that saying Douglas, what a pleasure having you
56:35
on the podcast.
56:36
Speaker 1
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
56:40
Speaker 5
It's been a blast. You can find me at Douglas
56:43
Widick on Instagram, at Douglas Whidick on threads YouTube. It's
56:48
just my name on all the places and I've got
56:53
some shows coming up. I don't know if that was
56:56
the next thing you were going to ask if it
56:57
was allowed to say no, that's great, away, All right,
57:01
here's my plug. I've got three performances of Looking for Laughs,
57:06
which is a UK based comedy show that I'm producing.
57:09
The US version of at caveat January thirtieth is the
57:14
next one, and we take a live blind date and
57:16
then we do comedy inspired by the live blind date.
57:19
So that is a fun thing I'm producing right now.
57:21
Speaker 4
Oh wow, how do the people do on the live
57:24
blind date? Are they pretty nervous or is it.
57:27
Speaker 5
We just had one and they're going on second third date.
57:29
They're still texting and we take like a lot of
57:33
pains to make sure the matches seem like they make sense.
57:35
But yeah, I mean it's totally crazy and awkward. They
57:38
pull off like I'm asks and they're like, Hi, nice
57:40
to meet you on stage in front.
57:42
Speaker 1
Of one hundred people. So wow, Yeah, that's fun.
57:45
Speaker 4
It's a good time, wonderful. Is there work a media
57:47
that you've been enjoying?
57:49
Speaker 2
Oh?
57:49
Speaker 5
In media right now? I I mean I had I
57:53
had the chair company down for that. Uh, but a work, Oh,
57:57
like you could do a tweet. You could do whatever
57:59
you want it. Oh man, jeez, I had the chair
58:04
company down for that. Let me think that's great, chair company.
58:08
Speaker 1
We can plug the chair company again.
58:10
Speaker 5
Okay, Yeah, that's that's my work with media that I've
58:12
been enjoying. I mean I listened to a lot of podcasts,
58:15
so I know that that wasn't under the under the
58:17
umbrella of that.
58:18
Speaker 1
Podcast count Okay, Jesus please, of course they do. What
58:22
are we doing right now? If it does?
58:24
Speaker 4
I love some pivot. I love some pivot with Caro
58:27
swishering Scott Callaway. There you go, all right, Miles, where
58:31
can people find you as their working media you've been enjoying?
58:34
Speaker 1
Find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. You find me
58:37
talking about ninety day fiance on four to twenty day
58:40
fiance and pretty soon, my dear me talking about soccer
58:45
coming up soon. That's something that's something in the lab
58:47
I've been kind of talking about. But stay tuned for that.
58:51
What else? What else is there? Work of media that
58:54
I've been enjoying, And it's just oh, you know what,
58:56
I watched The Night of the Demon. Oh that one
59:00
from the eighties. I've never seen it. A Night of
59:03
the Demons from nineteen eighty eight. It's like there's multiple demons. Yeah, dude,
59:07
it's the most just like eighties ass fucking like movie
59:12
where like women just inexplicably are topless suddenly because it's
59:16
like one of those eighties movies. Like there's one where
59:18
like like a woman's like okay, like by like getting
59:21
off the phone and then just takes her shirt off
59:22
and then they got to the next scene and her
59:26
Massy and I were watches were like, this is so
59:28
fucking stupid. But this is, like we were saying, these
59:31
kinds of movies are started, like the Hallmark holiday films
59:34
for Halloween, are these like mindless eightiesless the slasher movies.
59:39
Speaker 4
That's when I saw sleep Away Camp last year. Was
59:41
just kind of fucking around watching.
59:43
Speaker 1
You don't need to pay attention really because every now
59:45
and they're like what the fuck's going on? And like
59:46
and why is she? Why is where'd her underwear go? Yeah?
59:50
Speaker 4
What is this?
59:51
Speaker 1
But anyway, that's I saw. Night of the Demon's just
59:54
so stupid. If you want to see something like that,
59:56
check that up.
59:57
Speaker 4
Uh you can find me on Twitter A Jack underscore
59:59
o Brown Loose skuy At Jacko b the number one.
1:00:03
I liked a tweet from Heydro Flask who tweeted one
1:00:08
thing nobody gives pigeons enough credit for is their ability
1:00:11
to get out of the way and the sidewalk. A
1:00:12
lot of you could learn a thing or two from
1:00:14
the haha. And then a New Yorker cartoon from Asher
1:00:19
Pearlman is just two people walking out the door of
1:00:23
an apartment and someone's putting a book into their carrying
1:00:26
bag and says, I better bring my book just in
1:00:28
case I want to spend all day carrying my book.
1:00:34
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1:00:48
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1:00:50
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1:00:52
to a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles,
1:00:55
is a song that you think that people might enjoy?
1:00:57
Speaker 3
Ah?
1:00:58
Speaker 1
Yeah, we were just it's fun. You are talking about
1:01:01
dub one of my favorite sub genres of you know,
1:01:05
reggae music. But I was just listening to Pachimon, who
1:01:10
is like one of these modern artists whose records on
1:01:14
tape is using all the same instruments amps because he
1:01:17
wants his music to sound like you picked up some
1:01:20
old like Dub forty five record from like the seventies
1:01:23
or something. And this is a track of his from
1:01:26
his album called in Dub called Jumpy. You know, it's
1:01:30
a little jumpy time, a little that's not scary, but
1:01:32
this song is just very vibe. So check it out.
1:01:34
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1:01:37
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