There’s more news and less comprehension today than any historical period that didn’t involve literal witch trials, and trying to stay on top of it all can feel like playing a game of telephone with 30 people, except everyone’s speaking at the same time and like a third of them are openly racist for some reason. From Cracked co-founder Jack O’Brien, THE DAILY ZEITGEIST is stepping into that fray with some of the funniest and smartest comedic and journalistic minds around. Jack and co-host Miles Gray spend up to an hour every weekday sorting through the events and stories driving the headlines, to help you find the signal in the noise, with a few laughs thrown in for free.
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episode 5: SPOOKlear Weapon Testing, Why R U Scared Of CLOWNS?! 10.31.25
In episode 1957, Jack and Miles are joined by actor and screenwriter, Dani Fernandez, to discuss… Trump Decides To Bring Back Nuclear Weapon Testing, Nobody Wants To Live In Donald Trump’s “Haunted” Childhood Home, This Is Why People Will Never Stop Being Afraid Of Clowns and more!
- Trump Decides To Bring Back Nuclear Weapon Testing
- Russia Says It Didn’t Test Nuclear Weapons, but Would if the U.S...
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and shit.
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Speaker 1
Yep. Friday October thirty first, Yeah, Happy Halloween, Happy Halloween.
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Are there any other national international days that there are?
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Speaker 2
And actually I'm gonna call them out because fuck you
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for even trying to claim October thirty f the fucking
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doorbell company new Tone paid for it to be national
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Doorbell Day, Get the fuck out of here. I guess
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guess trick or treating, but.
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It ties there's a tie in.
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Speaker 2
Okay, how about this one, Jack National Breadstick Day?
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Speaker 1
Now, this one, I'll give them trying to make it
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a thing. Are they trying to be like, why candy?
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Why not breadstick?
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Speaker 2
It's actually just the last Friday on October, So they
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didn't explicitly go for the thirty first October. Thirty first
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is Girl Scout Founder's Day, which I guess maybe it's
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probably tied to something significant. I give the National magic
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Knock Knock Jokes. Frankenstein Friday. Yeah, dude, not for Frankenstein Friday. Hey,
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in this house, it's franken Stey Friday. Every Frida.
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Speaker 1
You know what I'm saying. We will not be saying Halloween.
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My name's Jack O'Brien aka. And so I threw some
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rocks at this house one time. Then all these big
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kids came out, Well, they came outside and said.
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Speaker 2
Hey, you want head or gut?
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Speaker 1
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hey you want head or gut? That one courtesy a
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First Blood five twenty two on the discord. Yeah, in
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reference to my when when I figured out my whole shit,
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it was like, you know, I was faced with a
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moment of truth, a bully asking me head er gut,
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and I figured out what my response was to fighter flight,
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and I started crying until his sister said, oh, let
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him go, and then.
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Speaker 2
The rest and then she punched you. She beat the
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ship one out of mine step aside this. Oh we
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got a little baby tonight.
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Speaker 1
That was a few years ago, and I feel like
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I've grown a lot.
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Speaker 2
So yeah, man, hey for hard time for you.
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Speaker 1
The late twenties was tough. Uh. Thrilled to be joined
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as always buy my co host, mister Miles gra Hey, Man,
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it's spooky as hell.
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Speaker 2
It's spooky in LA. It's spooky Everywhere's Halloween. Happy Halloween
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as Miles Gray a Kay Gray, Biles or Miles Decay. Okay,
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that's my thank you.
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Speaker 1
It's pretty good.
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Speaker 2
Miles Decay. Is that's fucked up?
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Speaker 1
That one's got? I don't like the dang the hour, Yeah.
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Speaker 2
It does, it does anyway, shotowt no clue on the
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discord for that one.
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Speaker 1
Miles were thrilled to be joined in our third seat
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once again by a talented actress and writer. Who's where
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you know from? I don't know, Netflix, HBO, Max, DC, Comics,
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A couple of small places. Welcome back to the brilliant,
04:02
the talented Danny Fernande.
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Speaker 4
Done Fernandez or you know how the at the Dodgers
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games they keep doing Nonna Charge No, yes, that, but
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I mean, like the way that they're leading into it
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is like the the.
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Speaker 2
The organist definitely tastes liberties to like sometimes you get
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that and then yeah, sometimes you get Jurassic Park into.
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Speaker 4
Like obsessed with that. They're like throwing in They're throwing
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in all the curves.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, they're doing they're doing K pop Demon Hunters for
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a show. Hey, Golden is leading into his at Beth. Dude,
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the way my kid his ears parked up. What the
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He's like, Yo, what what's this sound?
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Speaker 2
I know this sound. I'm like, that's this Golden Child.
04:56
Speaker 1
It's Golden, y'all.
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Speaker 4
I'm going as dirty.
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Speaker 1
The We're just talking about that on trending yesterday. That
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dirty is a top six costume.
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Speaker 2
I didn't even know that the Tiger was called dirty.
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Speaker 4
I know, I thought everybody was doing the hang on,
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I'll show you look at.
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Speaker 2
That, Okay.
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Speaker 4
I know, like the Yeah, I brought the potted plant.
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Speaker 1
That is the that is like the thinking person's demon
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hunter's costume because like the we were talking about the
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Google freight geist there like trending Halloween costumes list, and
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like one through five is just you know.
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Speaker 4
Mirror, and y'all aren't thinking about the tiger with the
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potted plant doing not number eight. I identified it too.
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It's like clearly the college girl version.
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Speaker 2
Body.
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Speaker 1
I didn't know the level of difficult on danifying that one.
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You know, there's so so many easier ones to danify,
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and that that one that's you gotta have.
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Speaker 2
You gotta have the vision, you gotta yeah, you gotta see.
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Speaker 4
There's like the basic sexy cat that all the girls do,
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but no, the pot of plant please. That was very
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hold on. That was very hard to hold on to
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with my phone all night. I'm sure doone had to
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drink and I had this like cac die like we're
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people getting it, We're no, no, oh my god, the
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part that's why I'm doing it again. So I wore
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this last because you know, a bunch of people had
06:31
their Halloween parties last weekend. Nobody appreciated it. Yeah, In fact,
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a lot of people thought I was the ches the
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cheshire cat.
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Speaker 1
Which there's a similarity there is. There is a is
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a riff on the cheshire cat.
06:43
Speaker 4
That's true, that's true, very true. But even the parents,
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I was like, surely you. I was like trying to
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find parents at the party.
06:50
Speaker 1
You know, at a party, You're like, hey, do you
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have any pictures of your kids and boring stories that.
06:56
Speaker 2
You get to in your sexy Halloween costume? Go, hey,
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are you a parent?
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Speaker 1
Tell me?
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Speaker 2
You know what I'm going for. It's wonderful to have you.
07:09
Speaker 1
Back, Danny. We are going to get to know you
07:11
a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going
07:13
to tell the listeners a couple of the things that
07:15
we're talking about today. We got one non Halloween story
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which spooky Tho spooky spooky Trump has decided to bring
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back nuclear weapon testing gave us some of our great
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movie monsters, So in that way, it is a Halloween story.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, and he kills us with Dredge.
07:33
Speaker 1
Yes. We also have a story about Donald Trump's childhood home,
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which is on the market and sounds like a true
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haunted house nightmare. So we'll talk about that, and then
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we will talk about clowns. The clowns are back. Scary
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clowns are back with the HBO Welcome to Dairy launch
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that they had a less spooky viral marketing campaign with Pennywise,
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just like showing up in various places, but it was
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like that they did it official, as opposed to twenty sixteen,
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when like just scary clowns started showing up all over
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the place and people assumed that it was marketing for
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the It movie, but the movie denied that it was,
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which was smart of them. But we're going to talk
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about that and then just like why why clown's so
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scary you guys, Danny, are you scared of clowns?
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Speaker 4
No, but my dad was. I don't like my dad,
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so that's like fun, so like yeah, absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 3
No.
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Speaker 4
Somebody gave my brother like a clown lamp, which is
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a choice, yeah, to give to a child for their birthday.
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It was like a like a clown that's like holding
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up the lamp. You know. My dad immediately put it
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in the closet. Immediately, it was like absolutely, get it
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out of here.
08:53
Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 4
So I know that my dad scared me as a child,
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and now I can scare him as an adult.
08:58
Speaker 1
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, they thought that it was
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going to be more inherited fears from older people since
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clowns have like gone away mainly in pop culture rather
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than But it's that that was actually one of the
09:11
lesser reasons that people are scared of clowns. So we'll
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get into it. I would say we talked to yesterday
09:16
about the most common Halloween costume that I see at
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our house where we get thousands of trigger treaters, which
09:22
is the screen mask, and it's hold over the zeitgeist
09:25
and America share consciousness. I will say clowns are also
09:28
way up there, and it's not like specific, It's not like, oh,
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this year it came out, and so we get a
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lot of anyway, scary clowns are just constant.
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Speaker 4
Is anyone cute? Oh and that's also scary too when
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the clowns, well, it is.
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Speaker 1
A lot of i'd say both scream and like killer
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scary clowns run the gamut from like three up to
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you know adults. Yeah, a lot of baby scream.
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Speaker 4
Babys, ghost face.
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Speaker 1
Does anyone pitch Wu Tang babies? By the way, I
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feel like a muppet Baby's treatment of Wu Tang babies.
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Speaker 2
Oh wodang baby ghost face there. Yeah, Staten Island, flue
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tang babies, all.
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Speaker 1
That, plenty more. But first, Danny, we do like to
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ask our guests, what is something from your search history
10:18
that's revealing about who you are?
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Speaker 4
Oh my god, I love this. So the last thing
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that I looked up was actually listened to it this morning.
10:26
It was best case scenario meditation. I think everyone needs
10:31
to be listening to this, but you can find like
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it's just on YouTube, like instead of my family, and
10:37
I feel like a lot of like my mom and
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her mom and like they're all worst case scenario like
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literally constantly. Yeah, And I don't know, I feel that's
10:48
really hard to manifest. They like if I'm trying to
10:51
stay delusional, if I'm trying to stay in my delusion
10:53
here in the industry in Los.
10:54
Speaker 1
Angeles delusions as we do out here in LA.
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Speaker 4
I literally listen and yeah, I sent it to two
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of my friends too. I'm like, just listen to this
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every day, y'all. Everyone listening best case scenario instead, whether
11:07
you're doing a job interview, or I don't know, just.
11:09
Speaker 2
To give yourself going on a date, just to take
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out the negative vote. Look, I'm a master. I should
11:15
go as roomy actually for Halloween, but only because I
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ruminate constantly and I'm trying to work on that.
11:21
Speaker 1
Whether she was named that because she does a lot
11:23
of rubination herself, I doubt it.
11:25
Speaker 4
I feel there's probably like a cultural thing we're totally missing.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's probably more to do with Thickrean language. But yeah, yeah,
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it's funny too. I'm such a worst case scenario person.
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Thanks Grandma. Straight line from my dad's mother directly into
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my brain because she was like a gold medal like
11:47
worst case scenario person. Like she could look at a
11:48
plastic spoon and somehow the house was going to burn
11:51
down because that spoon was out, and you're like, I don't, yeah, Grandma,
11:55
who knows what happens with that thing? But yeah, my
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dad was a.
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Speaker 1
Real optimist, and I think that. I like, it's really
12:01
a your fuck no matter what parenting situation. Because then
12:05
I was like, so I need to hold up my
12:08
end by imagining the worst case scenario exactly, So I
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need to assume that you know this is always going
12:15
to go badly, But.
12:17
Speaker 2
You're also worst case Danny.
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Speaker 4
No, I'm not. I had a trained. I have OCD,
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like I was clinically diagnosed. I know everyone says they
12:26
have OCD, but I actually have OCD, which means I
12:28
have like looping thoughts. So I have to go back
12:32
to the best case scenario. It's very helpful, and it's
12:35
helpful nowadays. And I'm just like a big believer in
12:39
what the reality that you create, Like it's basically confirmation bias.
12:43
If I think everyone is shitty, that's kind of what's
12:45
going to be shown to me as I yeah, yeah,
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so so.
12:51
Speaker 1
And these meditations are do they have like specific what
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like uh, normal day job interview.
12:59
Speaker 4
No, it's just you can probably you can find like
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a job interview one, but I just literally the one
13:04
I listened to is like eleven minutes. I'll like listen
13:07
to it when I'm putting on my makeup or something
13:08
or going out. I'm just like trying to I don't know.
13:11
I feel like constantly, I feel like being alive in
13:13
twenty twenty five is very triggering.
13:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's plenty on its own. We don't need our
13:19
brains like ganging up on those too.
13:21
Speaker 4
But also just like being on social media and seeing
13:23
like you're constantly ingesting so much that I just want
13:25
to undo it.
13:26
Speaker 2
Yeah I can't. I'm like, I don't know, I've probably
13:29
said this on MIC or maybe not, but I've just
13:30
been I've been using Instagram so much more, and I'm
13:34
like this, something is wrong with me that like now
13:37
I've put the locks on it and shit, because I yeah,
13:39
i can feel it coinciding with something else that I'm
13:42
like I've yet to address for whatever reason.
13:44
Speaker 4
But myles, I've been deleting mine. I'll post something, i
13:47
literally delete it, like for the week.
13:49
Speaker 2
Oh wow.
13:50
Speaker 4
But then I'll come back and like everybody has written
13:52
me stuff and whatever. But I'm still like, it feels
13:54
so much better. I'm you know what, I'm manifesting. Y'all
13:57
will see this. I am manifesting me not needing it.
14:00
One day I'm going to be I'm just gonna be
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off of it.
14:02
Speaker 1
Yeah they're still used to not be there.
14:05
Speaker 4
Yeah, no, I will be more alive than ever.
14:09
Speaker 1
I noticed myself. I left my bedroom without my phone
14:12
and like was like, well this feels weird, like just
14:16
that that's bad.
14:17
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, when I walk my kid to school, I
14:19
leave the phone back a lot of the times.
14:20
Speaker 1
Smart. Yeah, I need to build that more into my days.
14:22
Speaker 2
I have, like I have a watch like an Apple,
14:24
so if I if I need to get a hold
14:26
of someone, I can do that. But I'm like the
14:28
I just like we're walking around, We're looking at trees
14:32
and ship.
14:32
Speaker 1
And it's you know how the olden days were well
14:36
a pairent. My kids using AI so that's tricky for me.
14:40
Speaker 2
Yeah, cutting it? What Danny is?
14:42
Speaker 1
Something you think is underrated?
14:44
Speaker 4
Underrated?
14:45
Speaker 1
Y'all?
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Speaker 4
Speaking tis this season? I am obsessed with the Monster Mash.
14:51
I know it's like super old waits Okay. They just
14:55
announced that they're making a movie Mirra Max is making
14:58
an animated movie about the Monster Mash. I think people
15:00
are like why, Okay? Can I say it does not
15:02
get the credit that it deserves. I feel during this
15:04
time everyone's listening to like Thriller, which I'm also obsessed with,
15:07
but or like the soundtrack from A Nightmare Without Christmas
15:10
but the Monster.
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Speaker 2
Or before Christmas? Sorry what did I say without Christmas?
15:16
Speaker 4
The Nightmare before Christmas?
15:18
Speaker 2
Yeah? Sorry? My kid likes to do the part. He says,
15:20
take off my head.
15:21
Speaker 4
But like all the voices when they come in, he's
15:24
like I was working in the law, Like, that's my favorite.
15:29
Speaker 1
Did they know they were creating like a giant piece
15:32
of pop culture at that time, Like the the bubbling,
15:35
like the person was making the bubbling right like fucking.
15:39
Speaker 4
And all the all the background dancers that are like.
15:44
Speaker 1
A nailing it.
15:47
Speaker 4
And so my niece and nephew at the end, at
15:51
the end, it's one of my favorite things. I'll go
15:53
around the house my niece to my niece and nephew,
15:55
I'll be like, ooh, marsh food because that's what he
15:58
says at the end, and I'm just like, it's so
16:00
oh good, all the voices in it. So y'all will
16:03
walk around now and you'll hear him say that at
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the end.
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Speaker 2
I don't think I ever get past to it was
16:10
the Monster. I think I've heard it all.
16:15
Speaker 1
Do you ever really get the thing where you put
16:17
it on and then whatever streaming platform you're using starts
16:21
playing you other songs from that artist person, and it's like, oh,
16:25
they knew They've been spending the rest of their life
16:28
trying to recapture that match.
16:30
Speaker 4
Yeah, the Monster, it's like an easter one or something.
16:32
Speaker 1
Just yeah, that's we We actually had that with the
16:41
Purple people. Lead. My son seven year old just came in,
16:44
was like, what is a Purple People leader? Oh?
16:46
Speaker 2
Likes the song?
16:48
Speaker 1
We played it and then we like the song that
16:51
played automatically afterwards was another song by them that like
16:55
just did not hit.
16:56
Speaker 4
It was one hit wonder.
16:57
Speaker 1
Yeah it sucked.
16:58
Speaker 2
Wait didn't we do a one year about how like
17:02
he really tried to do it? There's like the Monster rap.
17:04
They were like really swinging for the fences after that,
17:07
and they're like, nah, bro, the think the Transylvania twist?
17:11
Speaker 4
Yes, what if it happened too much? Trying to Lena twists?
17:15
Speaker 2
Oh?
17:15
Speaker 1
You know you know the lore?
17:17
Speaker 4
Oh who y'all should be I'm sure it's like playing
17:20
in your house or something, but it's playing when I'm
17:24
like carding pumpkins or something.
17:26
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I that makes sense. Yeah.
17:28
Speaker 1
The Halloween playlists that you know I put on for
17:32
trigger treaders. You got the Thriller, you got the Somebody's
17:35
Watching Me, and then like the House you know music.
17:38
Speaker 4
Love Potion number nine, they throw in random. I'm like,
17:41
yeah that could count.
17:42
Speaker 1
Yeah, I guess that's fun.
17:43
Speaker 2
The house music version of Spooky Scary Skeletons.
17:46
Speaker 1
So scary skeletons that I remember before.
17:54
Speaker 2
You asked me if I heard that song and I
17:55
said no, and he's like, you're gonna have a kid
17:56
and you will know that song eventually. And now I'm
17:59
there and like I heard the original one. It was
18:01
too slow. I'm like, Bro, this just sucks.
18:03
Speaker 1
Bro.
18:03
Speaker 2
Give me the fucking four on the floor. Fucking it, bro.
18:06
Speaker 1
And they killed it with that one. Also, just when
18:09
we're talking about the Monster Mash, there's Nick Wager from
18:12
Doe Boys. Every year or two goes on comedy Bang
18:16
Bang and does a character who is the I think
18:20
son of or like related to the original creator and
18:25
keeps pitching like he's got he's got a new song,
18:27
a new version of the Monster Mash. And it's always
18:31
the same. You have to I'm not going to say
18:34
any more than that, but it's worth checking out. What
18:37
is something, Danny that you think is overrated?
18:39
Speaker 4
Overrated? Is buying a dog? Like dog breeding? How are
18:44
we still doing this in twenty twenty five. I wanted
18:48
to say that I have a new foster, Luna, who
18:53
she's gonna pop on camera real quick.
18:55
Speaker 2
She's just bringing the dogging.
18:57
Speaker 4
Oh my gosh, she's so cute here. Let me see,
19:01
isn't she just?
19:02
Speaker 1
Is that a.
19:07
Speaker 2
Sorry? The strap had me.
19:13
Speaker 3
Get months old.
19:14
Speaker 4
She's a little shy right now, mainly because I just
19:16
handed her.
19:19
Speaker 2
Past, right, She's like, I don't yeah, sorry, so a
19:26
couple of guys with a podcast, I'll turn my camera.
19:30
Speaker 4
I just got her like two days ago. I'm fostering her.
19:32
She's available through Pups without Borders border everyone. Yeah, they
19:37
stop stop breeding dogs. They're all of our shelters here
19:41
in l A are over capacity.
19:44
Speaker 2
Yeah.
19:46
Speaker 4
And she's so sweet. Yeah, yeah, so you could. You
19:48
can find her on my you can find her on
19:50
Post without Borders, but also on my account. I've been
19:53
posting just the cutest. She took an adorable bath and
19:56
just looked like a kangaroo. Honestly, she's like part dinga wow,
20:01
like American dingo, which is the dog in Prey. I
20:05
guess because they're like they wanted an animal that was indigenous,
20:09
like to America.
20:10
Speaker 1
So oh the movie Prey.
20:11
Speaker 2
The yeah, or that's so funny you mentioned fostering. I
20:16
I went outside to walk my dog and this dude
20:19
was out in like near the front of my house
20:21
and was like, hey, David and I was like nah,
20:24
and I kept I kept him moving. He's like, hey,
20:26
so it's me Matt. Is this it? And was like
20:30
I was like what the I'm like, well, I said wait, bro,
20:32
what and he's like the dog? Is this the dog?
20:35
And I'm like, yeah, this is my dog. He's like yeah,
20:37
I saw I'm here. And I was like, Buddy, I'm like,
20:41
who are you looking for? And then he said the
20:43
name get in my house. That's not me.
20:44
Speaker 1
Yes, I'd say David.
20:48
Speaker 2
And then my fucking neighbor comes out and he apparently
20:51
he was fostering a dog, a black dog like mine.
20:54
And then I was like, oh, okay, bro, I thought.
20:57
I was like you have to fight or something. I
20:58
didn't know what you were trying to.
21:00
Speaker 4
Guy coming by, like yo, you got it?
21:02
Speaker 2
Yeah? What am I holding? That's not anymore. I don't
21:09
have that on me right now.
21:13
Speaker 1
We will accept Luna as a Halloween story also because
21:16
Luna is Moon and Moon is spooky.
21:18
Speaker 4
Thank you.
21:21
Speaker 1
I feel like that would be good enough for like
21:22
a song about the moon would make it onto a
21:24
Halloween playlist like towards the end, amazing, all right, thrilled
21:30
to have you here, Danny. We're going to take a
21:32
quick break and then we're going to come back and
21:34
talk about the spooky a subject of all nuclear weapons testing.
21:37
We'll be right back, and we're back, And just another
21:52
reason maybe why it's not great to have a dementia
21:56
riddle sociopath in charge. Donald Trump has ordered the Pentagon
21:59
to immediately resumed testing nuclear weapons for the first time
22:04
in thirty three years. Yeah, the famously chill Pentagon has
22:09
managed to hold off on nuclear testing for the past
22:12
thirty three years, which very unlike them. I've got to say,
22:16
He's like.
22:16
Speaker 2
Yeah, put a knife in it and then whatever comes out,
22:18
rub it on your gums and let me know what
22:20
it is. Like, That's not how you test a nuclear weapons.
22:23
Speaker 1
But he you know, he's just trying to keep up
22:26
with Russia and China obviously, which this was like right
22:31
before his meeting. Was she jimping? And so it makes
22:35
a sort of sense until you realize that Russia and
22:38
China have also not tested nuclear weapons since the nineties,
22:42
and so what the fuck are you even talking about?
22:44
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, well again it's a pathetic dick measuring contest.
22:48
Speaker 4
What this is one that we all lose, right, you
22:51
know what?
22:51
Speaker 2
I mean, because like even the announcement that was right
22:54
before he was meeting with Shi Jianping like to be like, yeah,
22:57
so just so you know, I'm coming into this saying
23:00
we're just doing tasting thing on me, even though based
23:03
on well our research show is no no no no
23:06
no no no no no no, it's a it's fun guy, technically,
23:09
is what the doc the roologis told me.
23:13
Speaker 4
Anytime I think, yeah, anytime someone talks about the dick
23:16
energy or whatever, I always think of that. I'm sorry
23:18
to haunt y'all, but it is a haunting episode. That
23:21
photo of him where he's like being spray tanned and nude.
23:24
Don't know what I'm talking about. You can see everything, mate, Okay,
23:30
don't google it.
23:31
Speaker 2
Violence I'm not this. I can already imagine. I've already
23:34
seen numerous renderings of his nude body. Thinks that South Park, Well,
23:37
this is a real one. It's not Ai.
23:39
Speaker 4
He's not all ripped and has Jesus behind him with
23:42
his hand on his show.
23:43
Speaker 1
He's not Master Chief from Halo, and Jesus is not
23:46
doing the spray tanning. But then I saw the wrong.
23:49
Speaker 4
Image, my favorite one, which is not Ai, which is
23:53
so funny. We have to like document. My favorite is
23:56
the guy that's like shooting up Heroin and Jesus is
23:58
behind him.
23:59
Speaker 2
Like you didn't get that Jesus was shooting skag bro.
24:06
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean one of the one of the skills
24:09
that God gave him, like really the powers that he had.
24:14
And I am capitalizing he when I say that the
24:17
ability to, according to that painting, take take Heroin for
24:22
for people and also turn water to wine. This guy
24:26
loved to get fucked up, you know, essentially the.
24:29
Speaker 2
You think he was hiding behind his savior role to
24:32
be like, well, dude, I got to do this guy's
24:33
heroin man, and it's like I don't know Jesus.
24:38
Speaker 1
Being done, Dude, I don't have a lot of time.
24:41
Speaker 2
Can you find a fucking vain? I need to go
24:42
turn some multiply some bread and fish.
24:45
Speaker 4
Does it work for other addictions like porn that's insane.
24:49
Speaker 1
Jacking people off, or he's putting in a minding place
24:55
so they're jacking Jesus step.
24:57
Speaker 2
Beside, so the Lord may goon on your our behalf
25:01
vicariously gooning through him.
25:03
Speaker 1
That's a really good question. Does it work for porn addiction,
25:07
and where is that painting?
25:09
Speaker 4
Where is that? I'm sure it exists. Jack, you know
25:11
it does.
25:13
Speaker 2
You're saying as if he owns it. Jack, you know
25:15
it does.
25:18
Speaker 1
It's behind me. Yeah, it's behind me, isn't it. H
25:23
Victor pointed out that the in that painting, the lore
25:26
behind that painting is, of course that Jesus had turned
25:28
water to heroin before before that guy shot it. Yeah, Jesus. Uhclepocalypse,
25:38
nuclear apocaly APOCALYI now it's probably just apocalypses are having
25:43
a bit of a moment with the latest Catherine big
25:46
Low movie driving on Netflix called House of Dynamite that
25:50
I have heard is not that good. But but they
25:53
did say it's realistic. Is the thing that scares me.
25:56
Speaker 4
Maybe that's why people didn't. I heard it was good,
25:59
but mixed things. Okay, so I got the other mix
26:03
right right?
26:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's yeah, it sounds like it would be very stressful,
26:08
and it's like, just what what would happen in a
26:12
I think it also presupposes Ah, it's like what if
26:20
what if a nuclear crisis? What if a nuclear warhead
26:23
got launched to the US during the Obama administration is
26:26
essentially what the premise of the movie is and it's like,
26:31
how how do you depict what would happen if it
26:34
was Trump? It would be impossible. But yeah, this return
26:40
to testing the nuclear weapons, which is a ecological catastrophe,
26:46
bad for people's health, that for the environment, like to
26:49
terrible to the point for global stability, but really bad
26:53
for global stability.
26:54
Speaker 4
Well, where where is it? Does it say where they're
26:56
doing it?
26:57
Speaker 1
No, it was just has like and like, we're going
27:00
to start immediately. I think they have to technically do
27:03
it underground like that. That's one thing that they've said, like,
27:07
you can't test nuclear weapons anywhere, but i'n just testing. Yeah,
27:11
but this is all because Russia tested a nuclear powered
27:15
cruise missile on October twenty first, and people are assuming
27:19
that he saw that and took it to mean that
27:22
they tested a actual nuclear weapon that like used nuclear fission.
27:26
Speaker 2
To know that the propulsion system is using nuclear No,
27:29
that's a they want the a bomb. Huh Okay, yeah,
27:33
we can do that. I mean that's the other thing too,
27:35
is like he said it's like to do nuclear testing
27:38
like in kind or something, or proportionate testing. So it's
27:41
not it's not him being like all right, start like
27:43
time to start sending up some mushroom clouds over the ocean.
27:46
But it's more like, whatever you guys do, we can
27:50
do it too, because he's not fully committing to it.
27:53
But I think it's still very dangerous to even make
27:55
this announcement.
27:57
Speaker 1
We stopped in ninety two, friends stopped in ninety six
27:59
trying to Russia aren't known to have conducted tests since
28:02
the nineties. Only North Korea. Yeah, and we're basically North
28:07
Korea on a grand scale.
28:10
Speaker 2
Yeah, Yeah, A shame he didn't get to meet him.
28:12
Speaker 4
These are just like currently vague warnings.
28:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's just him bragging, Yeah, but also feels like
28:19
the sort of shit that he's going to do.
28:22
Speaker 2
Well. This is also the thing too because as with
28:24
the situation Ukraine and like the talk of Tomahawk missiles
28:28
being like sent to Ukraine, that's been a huge thing
28:31
for Putin to be like a, well, I've got nuclear
28:33
weapons and he's doing that whole thing right now, to
28:35
be like, don't arm the Ukrainians because I will use
28:38
or you know, he's pump faking it, so Trump naturally
28:42
he's he's having to respond because it's quote testing on
28:45
an equal basis is what the actual announcement is. And
28:49
then again he's meeting with you know, She of China
28:53
and he has a whole like so right before that,
28:55
he's like, say it right before I meet him. And
28:57
then when I meet him, I'm going to be confused
28:59
and know where to go on stage after I take
29:02
his hand. I don't know if you saw that clip again.
29:05
Speaker 1
Another one they're shaking hands.
29:06
Speaker 2
Another one they're shaking hands and fucking she looks like
29:10
he his face is so clear, like this motherfucker like
29:14
it's not it's you can you already know? He's like, brough,
29:17
I don't. This motherfucker is exhausting and dumb. And then
29:20
afterwards he's like, Trump's like, where do we go? And
29:23
there like, oh the other off the stage from where
29:27
you got on.
29:29
Speaker 1
Is there a crown or something that you want to
29:31
give me?
29:32
Speaker 2
No, that that already happened.
29:33
Speaker 1
You already got your glowing ord.
29:35
Speaker 2
Yeah no, all right.
29:37
Speaker 1
Let's talk haunted houses, specifically Donald Trump's various houses. I
29:43
think the house we're talking about might be the one
29:45
from his childhood where he was caught throwing rocks at
29:49
a baby. Okay, so, but couple news story.
29:55
Speaker 2
Or is that's something he admitted in a book or something.
29:57
Speaker 1
It's in a book, It wasn't his. It was like
30:01
in a book about Trump. A journalist went back and
30:03
like interviewed as former neighbors as you do with like
30:06
a serial killer, to be like, and they always yeah
30:11
what one mom was like, yeah, funny story about that.
30:15
I remember, you know, had my baby in the playpen
30:19
in the backyard and went inside. Baby started wailing, came back,
30:24
came outside, and a child Donald Trump was throwing rocks
30:29
at the baby.
30:30
Speaker 2
Yeah, a roughly five year old Donald Trump is throwing
30:32
rocks at the cribs. She said. I guess you can
30:34
allow that maybe initially he didn't realize that there was
30:37
a baby there. I don't know, right. This is from
30:40
Maggie Haberman's book. They came out a while.
30:42
Speaker 1
Back throwing rocks at a baby. So the White House,
30:44
first of all, is supposedly full of ghosts, which would
30:46
make total sense.
30:48
Speaker 2
Why the karma is so good in that every decision
30:51
been made in there.
30:52
Speaker 1
Fine, yes, built by slaves, full of some of the people.
30:57
Speaker 2
Just some slave labor, right, okay.
31:00
Speaker 1
Which usually fine usually doesn't haunt Southern plantation houses. Or
31:04
anything like that.
31:05
Speaker 2
No, No, that randomly burned down.
31:07
Speaker 1
And then like some of the greatest mass murders of
31:09
all time have lived in them in the house yeah
31:11
or visited Yeah, true, true at the time that they
31:15
ordered the killing of you know, probably a total of
31:19
millions of people at this point. Definitely, because I mean
31:22
George W. Bush lived there.
31:23
Speaker 2
Yeah.
31:24
Speaker 4
Can I tell you all, I have been like, I'm
31:26
so not into the White House, but i am so
31:28
into haunted houses. I've been to so many of them. Yeah,
31:31
like they're historically one of them. Yeah. One of them,
31:34
which actually wrote a paper about in college, is the
31:36
Whaley House in San Diego. So the Whaley House is
31:39
one of the most travel channels. Like most haunted houses,
31:43
it was a it's a billion different things, but it
31:46
was like a courthouse. So that's why because when people
31:48
would be convicted, they would hang them like in the back.
31:51
Speaker 2
But it was also a hanging area.
31:54
Speaker 4
Yeah, and there's a graveyard, not like anyone. Oh here's
31:56
the thing. Here's the thing y'all should know because I
31:59
was in fourth grade in San Diego and they take
32:02
you there as a field trip. So like everybody in
32:05
San Diego knows this house because you go there. But
32:08
Regis Filman actually spent the night there in the sixties
32:11
and he said that he saw this was like obviously
32:14
before he was who he was, and he I think
32:16
he was just a reporter at the time, but he
32:18
said he saw a woman crawl up the wall.
32:20
Speaker 1
Jesus there.
32:22
Speaker 4
Yeah, so it is U saw wall.
32:26
Speaker 1
This was the hold.
32:27
Speaker 2
This is in the sixties in California.
32:28
Speaker 4
I'll get a shut up, Miles. Also see.
32:33
Speaker 1
What else.
32:33
Speaker 2
It's like my mother screamed, blood.
32:37
Speaker 4
Excuse me. It's one of Travel Channel's most haunted houses.
32:40
I've been there countless times. So that's an old town
32:43
San Diego. I here's one thing I will tell you.
32:45
I went there with my cousins one time and we
32:48
were trying to take photos in the courthouse. So it's
32:51
a courthouse. It's also the oldest theater. That's why they
32:53
take a lot of kids there. It's the oldest theater
32:55
in San Diego. It was basically an entrepreneur that used
32:58
that built this big big quotes because not considered big now,
33:01
but like and he rented out different rooms or he
33:05
had like a pharmacy there. He had a courthouse there,
33:07
he had a theater there in the house, and so
33:11
we were trying to take pictures and her camera would
33:14
snap a photo, scramble and then not take it. It
33:18
was so wild on our phones it would like snap,
33:21
I swear. So it is very creepy. It very You
33:25
spend the night there, Miles and report back to us.
33:28
Speaker 1
And take a lot of hallucinogens too.
33:30
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, I'll eat an eighth the mushrooms. I'd be like, yeah,
33:33
I'll be right, I'll be right.
33:35
Speaker 1
Anyways, the house that we're talking about is in Jamaica,
33:39
States Queens. It's about to go back on the market,
33:42
so this is actually more about a really interesting real
33:46
estate opportunity for zek. It was purchased last year for
33:49
eighty three or eight hundred and thirty five thousand dollars,
33:52
steep loss from the two point one four million it
33:56
sold for in twenty seventeen, and Trump claimed he was
33:59
going to buy it back, but it seems to be bullshit.
34:01
The person who bought it at first tried to make
34:04
it a like a historic thing, kind of like there's
34:09
just a Trump cut out in one of the rooms,
34:12
just like a life sized stand up Trump cut out,
34:15
which seems like it was designed to manufacture Trump scares. Yeah, right,
34:20
Have you ever had one of those in your house?
34:22
Like I had one of those. My college roommate had one,
34:25
and like no less than like three times walking around
34:29
in the middle of the night in the dark, and
34:30
you just like you have the feeling out of your
34:34
peripher You're like, holy shit, Like it's just get Michael
34:38
Jordans snuck back into my heart.
34:43
Speaker 2
It's the paper one. Thank god.
34:44
Speaker 1
The owner also put up a plaque in one bedroom
34:47
commemorating the first time Fred and Mary Trump fucking conceived
34:50
Donald Trump. What is it in this bedroom? President Donald J.
34:55
Trump was likely conceived by his parents, Fred and Mary Trump.
34:59
The world has never been the same, so that that
35:05
airbnb scam didn't last. The house ended up being virtually
35:08
abandoned and the neighbors complaint of flooding, power outages, pests,
35:13
burglary scares, and overrun with feral cats. So like it's
35:18
become a legit haunted house.
35:20
Speaker 4
I'm obsessed that it's like all the plagues too, It's
35:23
like flooding pet focused with him. Yeah, first, Carn's so
35:31
funny quote.
35:32
Speaker 1
It looked like an abandoned haunted home. One neighbor complained,
35:36
and so the ghost hunter industry, you know, their ears
35:41
perked up. So some amateur ghost hunters published an account
35:45
of their stay on Mashable, noting their ghost detecting apps
35:49
all found aggravated levels of the MF field electromagnetic field
35:54
in the kitchen, in the dining room, and by the
35:56
downstairs toilet.
35:57
Speaker 2
I believe that it was out the one Trump used.
36:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, you have to assume we've heard him complain about
36:05
toilets not being able to handle his shit, and we've
36:07
seen that he stores like boxes and boxes of documents
36:11
across from his toilet, so we have to assume that,
36:13
you know, he has some pretty haunting experiences in those rooms.
36:17
Speaker 4
The thing those walls have seen.
36:19
Speaker 1
Yeah, smelled.
36:21
Speaker 2
Yeah.
36:22
Speaker 1
Then they went to a Wiji board and claimed to
36:25
have contacted a right wing spirit named f W whose
36:29
main features seemed to be horniness. It took almost an
36:35
hour before a real spirit joined us at the Wiji
36:37
board and reader he was the worst. The spirit who
36:41
told us he went by the nickname f W. Cool.
36:44
Nickname was a kind of alt right milo Yanopolis irony
36:47
bro demon. After asking us, are you single, he replied
36:50
that he was not. He told us that he loved
36:53
Trump and that he had no message He wanted to
36:56
communicate with the living outside of pussy.
37:01
Speaker 4
The people using that border, dicked, Who did you do
37:06
this with? Was it like one of your coworkers that
37:08
like kind of has a crush on you alongside dropping hints?
37:15
Speaker 2
Wow.
37:16
Speaker 1
They were then contacted by the ghost of John Baron Trump,
37:19
which John Baron is the nickname or the pseudonym that
37:24
Trump uses for his fake publicist, and the ghosts claimed
37:27
to be Trump's secret dead brother who now resides in
37:29
the fridge. He also was so like slimmer slimer energy.
37:34
Also warned them not to enter the bathroom and told
37:38
them not to trust Donald the things that you must
37:42
have done.
37:42
Speaker 2
What was he doing in that bathroom?
37:46
Speaker 1
Fucking now? I wonder if Andrew Schultz was like, now
37:49
you tell me, dude.
37:51
Speaker 2
I was waiting for the ghost to input from ghosts
37:54
first before I had him on the show. Well, now
37:56
I know.
37:57
Speaker 1
He then asked for help three times. I'm left, which
37:59
sounds like me in a blackout, you know.
38:02
Speaker 2
Oh where'd he go?
38:05
Speaker 1
I don't know?
38:05
Speaker 2
He left his card, He left his card the dark.
38:11
Speaker 4
Did y'all ever do Bloody Mary.
38:14
Speaker 1
I mean I think I did. I think I have
38:16
completed a bloody Marry one.
38:17
Speaker 4
Why don't we like Mortal Kombat. Can't we like call
38:20
in others.
38:21
Speaker 2
Like candy Man versus Bloody Mary.
38:23
Speaker 4
Yeah, like, that's what I would do if I were there.
38:25
Speaker 1
Just yeah, bloody Mary, candy Man, and then just get
38:28
out of the way. I will have you too to it.
38:31
Speaker 2
You rang, I don't know, bro, I think he's tripping. Yeah,
38:35
I don't know. You might want to fight each other anyway,
38:36
I'll be right back. Have it out in this bathroom.
38:39
Speaker 1
It's a really good idea.
38:41
Speaker 4
Right, It's a good Donald's. Yeah, that's what they should
38:44
do in the White House.
38:46
Speaker 2
Oh, anyone, anyone who visits the White House is now
38:50
obligated to do a candy Man or Bloody Mary in
38:53
the bathroom.
38:54
Speaker 4
Just take out bloody Mary versus. That would be so funny,
38:57
Bloody Mary versus like George Bush.
39:00
Speaker 2
You just like.
39:03
Speaker 4
Fighter.
39:04
Speaker 2
Yeah.
39:04
Speaker 1
Yeah. It should start making like Freddy versus Jason movies
39:07
about president historical presidents. The ghost that is most often
39:12
cited in the White House is Abraham Lincoln, who I
39:16
don't I don't know, Like that's kind of the least
39:18
scary one I can think of.
39:20
Speaker 2
Is it because he was because because he got assassinated,
39:22
he got Yeah, I got like that killed their most
39:25
famous person.
39:26
Speaker 1
But it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't there. Yeah, yeah,
39:30
but they I think they did know. They took his
39:32
body like just across the street. So it's weird that
39:34
he doesn't haunt the theater.
39:36
Speaker 2
Across the street for some beers.
39:38
Speaker 4
Right, I was blown away. I forgot whatever. The Apple
39:41
one was, the Apple Show that was about Abraham Lincoln, Like,
39:44
is this John Wilkspooth or whatever.
39:46
Speaker 2
I was.
39:47
Speaker 4
I was gonna say blown away. That's not the right
39:49
thing to say, but I was. I was. They just
39:52
let him bleed. I know that. It was like the time,
39:54
but I was like, do something please. They were just
39:57
like the.
39:58
Speaker 1
Thing so much out of his brain, mean that he
40:00
had too much weight, too much blood in there, abundance
40:03
of blood.
40:04
Speaker 4
That was like they just put pillows around his head
40:07
and we're like god, bless, oh my god.
40:10
Speaker 2
We not like, sir, he's dying. I don't know, more pillows. Yeah,
40:15
oh yeah, that blood was dying to get out of
40:17
that head. He's lucky. His head didn't explode from all
40:19
the blood that's trying to get out of there.
40:20
Speaker 1
That assassination is so wild. The first of all, the
40:23
fact that John Wilkes Booth was like as famous as
40:27
I'd say Alec Baldwin. Maybe like he was like a
40:32
very famous.
40:33
Speaker 4
That's an interesting choice, like Glenn Powell or like his brother.
40:37
Speaker 2
Was going to.
40:39
Speaker 1
Yeah, his brother was more famous, but he wasn't like
40:42
Billy Baldwin. He was like part of an acting dynasty.
40:46
That's why. Yeah, maybe Scars Guard would be a better example.
40:51
But uh, And then that we actually have a show
40:55
that we're developing for big money players revisits that day
40:59
and some of the information, like the person who was
41:02
supposed to be guarding him was shit faced. Well, all right,
41:09
let's take a quick break and we'll be back to
41:11
talk about clowns. Besides, Donald Trump.
41:16
Speaker 4
Got it got him.
41:18
Speaker 1
Maybe he'll retire now maybe maybe now that I got.
41:20
Speaker 2
His asked hard, or you'll end up somewhere else, And
41:36
we're back.
41:37
Speaker 1
And so we we have a new clown based horror
41:42
show that's happening in alignment with Halloween. HBO's Welcome to
41:47
Darry which, as I was saying to miles yesterday, I
41:52
thought it was What's the Girls? Yeah, I thought it
41:56
was Dairy Girls, like another season another one these girls. Yeah,
42:04
And it is instead just a poorly named movie that
42:08
tries to or streaming series that tries to create like
42:12
the Marvel cinematic universe of Stephen King novels, when so
42:16
you know, they all happen around a like Maine usually,
42:20
and so they're like, what if this main town was
42:23
all like that, all those stories were happening at the
42:26
same time, and they've gone in a weird direction with
42:30
this one. First of all, I just I just want
42:32
to say I was pretty surprised by the premise of
42:35
this show. In this show, the US government has enlisted
42:40
Dick Halloran you may remember him as the character played
42:43
by Scabban Brothers in The Shining, to help capture Penny
42:47
Wise and use him against the Russians and Cubans to
42:51
prevent the impending Cuban missile crisis and win the Cold War.
42:56
What the fuck is this?
42:57
Speaker 2
Stranger Things?
42:59
Speaker 1
It's first of all, this idea that they're always because
43:03
this is like the thing that I think it worked
43:06
in like the first few Alien movies. And then I
43:08
was like the idea that you would be like, we
43:11
gotta keep going after this like thing that is an
43:15
existential threat to humanity and trying to like use it
43:18
as a weapon that like we it just kills everybody
43:21
who comes even close to contacting it. See, seems weird
43:25
to me. I'm done with that trope. Yeah, like yes,
43:29
but like if in the movie Jaws, like the mayor
43:33
had been like, yes, but could you imagine if we
43:34
could capture the sharking use it as a weapon against
43:38
a neighboring town, Like it's just such a dumb like
43:41
use it against VI causing over and over. Yeah, right,
43:45
what the fuck? So that's that's weird. I'm hearing again
43:49
mixed things about this show me too.
43:51
Speaker 4
My friends have said, I'm like, is it scary? Though
43:53
I need you to answer this as a horror head,
43:55
is it scary? Yeah, it's scary. And then I was
43:58
watching it, I was like, is it scary? My defin
44:02
definition of scary is very fascinating.
44:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, Victor points out, like it's very Stephen can't like
44:08
I did read The Myst, which is the novel about
44:11
a haunted myst that comes comes for one and like
44:16
the story there is it's implied like there's something going
44:21
on with like the military doing research into the Elder Horror.
44:25
But like that, I think it's applause. But like with
44:28
Godzilla or something, I think it's a plausible jumping off
44:31
point to be like, yeah, the military is gonna fuck
44:33
something up and now it has unleashed a horror onto us, right, Yeah,
44:37
But for it to just be like we're trying to
44:39
capture the monster like Ghostbusters, It's just it's giving too
44:43
much Ghostbusters energy of like we're gonna fucking vacuum up
44:47
Pennywise and like put him in a box and then
44:50
unleash him. It's just it's a little bit dumb to
44:53
me to like that that keeps happening over and over again.
44:57
I don't think the US military is up to it.
45:00
This is what I'm like, How are they going to
45:03
use it against the Russians? Just like lower children into
45:07
sewers somehow? Like can't you just do that yourself?
45:11
Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know, offer them free candy, Yeah already.
45:15
Speaker 1
I'm sure they explain it in a way that's air tight.
45:17
Speaker 4
I also feel like most like I've been watching, like,
45:21
I feel like most kids are actually not afraid of clowns. Like,
45:23
it's adults that are afraid of clowns. I like you
45:26
put I don't know if you put Pennywise with my
45:28
niece and nephew, they'd probably like try to paint his
45:31
nails or something.
45:33
Speaker 1
He does need it too, his nails look terrible. But yeah,
45:37
so HBO sent a bunch of creepy clowns all across
45:39
the world, some appearances creepier than others. In one location,
45:43
Pennywise just went on a scenic hot air balloon ride.
45:46
Got to use that budget somehow.
45:48
Speaker 4
Man, that's the Emily in Paris that I want to see.
45:51
That would be so good.
45:54
Speaker 2
Him in Paris.
45:55
Speaker 4
Oh my gosh, Miles, don't give them ideas. I would
46:00
watch that him just like you know what, what is that?
46:03
It's that meme with Freddy Krueger, and it's like been
46:05
chasing in their dreams. I forgot to chase my own.
46:07
Speaker 2
Yeah, he's like having a croissant for the first time,
46:12
is mine. It's so he just keep falling.
46:16
Speaker 1
On my head.
46:17
Speaker 4
He just needed gelato to realize that he doesn't actually
46:19
want to kill Yeah, an artist dad.
46:23
Speaker 1
He is looking over the edge of this hot air
46:26
balloon like either looking like thoughtful and like what have
46:30
I done with my life? We're also like, damn, that's
46:33
way down there. That's kind of scary.
46:35
Speaker 2
Yeah, it kind of looks like a dude who is
46:37
just looking out of a hot air balloon, but in
46:39
Pennywise costume.
46:40
Speaker 1
Yeah, almost as if that's what it is or that's
46:44
what it literally.
46:44
Speaker 2
Is, but also just described the image.
46:47
Speaker 1
Do you guys remember the rash of I think this
46:49
was right before we started this show, but the rash
46:51
of like clown like creepy clown things where like people
46:54
would be like walking in the street sload this footage
46:57
down that I was taking out of the window of
46:59
my car and there are just like clowns standing like
47:05
in a tree staring directly at me like in this
47:08
and they were like they kept bringing people's doorbells and
47:11
like doing scary shit. It was around twenty sixteen, which
47:15
coincided with the release of the movie It and the
47:19
marketing team behind it have always said like they had
47:23
nothing to do with it, But I do think the
47:26
fear of clowns is still is still out there. Based
47:30
on the research that our writer JM dug up for
47:33
this and the fact that, like, while it's not explicitly
47:36
a clown villain, I will say the villain in weapons
47:41
is very clown adjacent totally. Yeah right, it's yeah like
47:48
giving Ronald McDonald.
47:50
Speaker 4
Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure Ronald McDonald if you put
47:53
them in the microwave for a few seconds.
47:55
Speaker 2
Yeah right.
47:58
Speaker 4
Also, I believe I'm probably naive. I kind of believe
48:02
that it team that they didn't do that clown like.
48:04
I think it's just like teams importantly, Yeah, have you
48:07
met people in Portland like they would totally wherever it was?
48:10
I forgot where. I think that's where it was though,
48:12
but it's.
48:13
Speaker 1
A really creepy one in Australia, I remember where people like, yeah,
48:18
I don't know. It was just like there were many
48:20
internet stories of like people being like, yeah, this clown
48:23
like showed up and everybody like chased it into this
48:26
park because they're scared of it. Yeah, So things reasons
48:31
to explain our fear of clowns, because I think, just broadly,
48:35
the idea is like, but clowns are supposed to be funny,
48:37
that's their energy at the circus, and we're all scared
48:41
of them. What happened? And so some theories John Wayne
48:46
Gacy probably didn't help serial murder who had occasionally dressed
48:50
as Pogo. The clown didn't dress up as Pogo very often.
48:55
Some people are like, it can't be that he didn't
48:57
dress as Pogo very often. If a person, a teenager
49:02
well dressed as a clown, that that is on my
49:06
that's printed on my brain, Like.
49:08
Speaker 2
I'm yeah, I didn't know he dressed to that decided
49:11
like to paint that shit.
49:13
Speaker 1
Well then yeah, So once he was captured and became
49:17
like a serial killer celebrity among the people who are
49:21
into serial killers, he did have a nice little second
49:25
act of his career drawing self portraits of himself as Pogo.
49:30
Speaker 4
Because was okay, God.
49:34
Speaker 1
I think he was eventually executed. But so one expert
49:39
points out that like this shift towards seeing clowns as
49:41
creepy wasn't actually a shift, because clowns are were and
49:46
this is a quote from this academic expert, never really
49:49
good and often fulfilled the role of villain in stories.
49:53
He says, it's misleading to ask when clowns turned bad.
49:57
When's the writer Benjamin Radford, in his History Bad Clowns,
50:01
they were never really good said, Universal two is the
50:05
casting of the antagonist, the representative of evil in the
50:08
role of the clown devils. Both the lusty thick heads
50:11
and the sharp, clever deceivers are always clowns. So there's
50:14
like this trickster demon thing that clowns have always been
50:18
tapping into.
50:19
Speaker 4
And okay, but the original clown was the gester. The
50:23
jester was good. He was like the right of man
50:26
to the king. But yeah, I mean he could say
50:27
the things that like, that's what we need and what
50:31
we need a gester I don't know who that is,
50:33
but someone that's on our side, that's like can actually
50:35
take down the king because that's what they did. So
50:38
they were like the one person that could make fun
50:40
of without being executed.
50:42
Speaker 1
I do think the clown like the thing that makes
50:45
the most sense to me, and I don't think it
50:48
necessarily always fits with gestures. Is the makeup, Like, sure,
50:52
the makeup is fucked it. It exaggerates the human face
50:57
and covers the human face with paint at the same
51:00
time making humans seem less human and introducing kids to
51:04
clowns can be incredibly disquieting because children's brains are still
51:08
developing and it's like, I feel like it's kind of
51:10
our first experience with the Uncanny Valley oftentimes when we're kids,
51:15
where like the thing is like human but also not quite,
51:19
and they like it's like they're they take human emotions
51:23
and like warp them through like a weird fun house mirror,
51:26
so they're like exaggerated and creepy, and also their facial
51:30
express their facial features are like big and weird and scary.
51:35
Speaker 2
I think because I'm not afraid of clowns, I could
51:38
give a shit about a clown. But my first experience
51:41
with the clown was fucked up because this motherfucker got
51:43
in my face at a kid's party and I remember
51:46
crying and being upset because this dude just like was
51:49
like and I was like, fuck, bro, I'm like four,
51:53
I've read this like I didn't come here for this shit,
51:56
And I think I don't know. And I see that
51:59
a lot too, Like you'll see like at birthday parties,
52:01
like there's always like some clown overstepping to a young
52:04
kid and being hey, here's something for you. I don't
52:06
know if that's that's me personally.
52:09
Speaker 4
I think for me, it's the fact that they're like
52:12
there's that trope that the person that the funniest in
52:15
the room is normally the saddest, like the side clown trope,
52:17
And then that became like a whole art thing, like
52:20
a lot of art of sad clowns. That's like that's
52:22
actually their internal monologue.
52:24
Speaker 2
But I think, yeah, isn't it just I feel like
52:26
this is this just has to be like learned. This
52:28
is like a learned fear. It's I don't know if
52:30
there's like anything really like a universal truth to a
52:33
clown that make like, you know what I mean, because
52:35
like they like with snakes, children aren't afraid of snakes
52:38
when they're very young because they don't know about it.
52:39
Because they're they learn that behavior to fear a snake,
52:42
like heights, are much more of like a thing a
52:45
small child can process to be like oh I don't
52:47
like this. I don't like this.
52:48
Speaker 1
I will say so there. A group did research into this,
52:52
okay they're pulling found that more than half of people
52:55
are scared of clowns, which is higher than common fears
52:58
like heights and flying. They said more than half the
53:01
respondents said they were scared of clowns at least some
53:04
to at least some degree, and five percent said they
53:06
were extremely afraid of them, which that percentage of extreme
53:10
fear of clowns is slightly higher than those reported for
53:14
phobias like animals, heights, blood injection, injuries, still water or
53:19
weather events, closed spaces, and flying, which I would have
53:23
definitely thought fear of flying seems much much more common.
53:27
And then so they surveyed the people who admitted they
53:30
were scared of clowns, which I would never admit. That's weakness.
53:36
Speaker 2
Trousers are soaked? Are you okay, sir?
53:39
Speaker 1
Sweating? I just ran over here. Asked them to choose
53:44
a possible explanation for the fear, and the strongest factor
53:48
turned out to be clown makeup hides emotional signals and
53:51
creates uncertainty, meaning that we're freaked out by clowns because
53:54
we can't see their true faces and therefore cannot understand
53:57
their emotional intent.
53:58
Speaker 4
That's what I was saying, Yeah, I don't know they're internal,
54:01
and that I'm not afraid of clowns, but I don't
54:03
really like zombies. I don't really like I'll watch zombie movies,
54:08
but they're very similar to me, and that I don't
54:10
like zombies because you can't reason with them, Like if
54:14
fucking Michael Myers are a serial killer, whatever was across
54:17
for me, there's a chance that I could maybe.
54:22
Speaker 2
Tell your buy your bu.
54:25
Speaker 4
Yo, let's work this out. Let's work, you know. But
54:30
not a zombie because they're not like they're half human.
54:33
They're not quite human. That's the thing I don't like
54:35
about them. They make inhuman movements yea and so, and
54:39
they have like inhuman faces. So I don't. I don't
54:42
really like zombies. That's that's I'm not right out apocalypse.
54:46
I can't the nuclear whatever, I can't have any zombie.
54:48
I can't be hills. Hills have eyes in it.
54:51
Speaker 2
You do fuck with clowns, Jack, I don't care.
54:55
Speaker 1
I just yeah, like I'm not terrified of them, but
54:58
I do feel like any time I'm near a clown,
55:01
I like don't want to know more about that. I
55:03
don't want to get closer. I feel like, yeah, it's
55:06
gonna be some sad ship.
55:09
Speaker 2
I'm not afraid of clown, but when I see that ship,
55:11
I go, but what a fucking loser.
55:13
Speaker 1
It's like kind of.
55:16
Speaker 4
It's not right, but it's not even like it's not
55:20
even McDonald is a billionaire, So Ronald.
55:22
Speaker 2
McDonald is a loser, you know what I mean, I'll
55:25
say it to his face. I don't know what it is.
55:27
I think it's just something. Even to me, I'm like,
55:29
that's like it's just dumb. It's not. It doesn't really
55:32
pushed me in one laner or the other. I'm like,
55:34
all right, fucking clown and then I just kind of
55:36
keep going. But you people, I worked with somebody who
55:41
was colorophobic, I believe is the term for the fear
55:44
of clowns. And I remember at the time because they
55:47
were like a grown ass person, I was like they
55:50
were like.
55:50
Speaker 1
Oh no, I hate clowns.
55:51
Speaker 2
I hate clowns. And I'm like, okay, for sure, for sure.
55:53
And somebody there was, uh, there was a video we
55:57
were watching like for like like there's like an a
56:00
writer's room. It comes up and there's like a clown
56:02
in it. This person started fucking like had to leave
56:05
the room and was like, yeah, was like fucked up.
56:08
And I remember being like, yo, I didn't even realize
56:11
earlier they said they were fucking afraid of I didn't
56:12
even know it was like that.
56:13
Speaker 1
And then yeah, like I feel the dogs is not
56:16
a thing that prevents you from seeing a dog on TV.
56:18
Usually you know it's not going to like fuck you up,
56:21
like just seeing it at a distance.
56:23
Speaker 4
But yeah, have you all got the tweet? It's like
56:26
been out for years. But by Cohen is a ghost,
56:29
It says, the most cutting thing you can say is
56:31
who's this clown? Because it applies there a a clown
56:34
and be not even one of the better known clowns.
56:38
If you're one of the top tier.
56:40
Speaker 2
Clowns, Yeah you're and even Pero bro.
56:43
Speaker 1
The list of reasons in order of like most common
56:46
to least common of why people are afraid of clowns
56:49
an eeriar, unsettling feeling due to clown makeup making them
56:51
look not quite human, similar to dollars and annequins. Clown
56:55
number two clowns exaggerated facial features convey a direct sense
56:58
of threat. Three clown makeup hides emotional signals and creates uncertainty,
57:03
which is kind of the same as number one for
57:05
the color of clown makeup reminds us of death, infection,
57:09
or blood injury, and evokes disgust avoidance. This five is
57:13
my favorite. Clown's unpredictable behavior makes us uncomfortable. I think
57:18
that's I think that's where I'm coming in. I don't know, man, Like, yeah,
57:22
they're just doing too much and it's like what I
57:25
can't get a gauge on, like what their angle is?
57:28
Speaker 2
Yeah, And I fucking I love to smell a carnation.
57:32
All my favorite things, your favorite carnation of someone's lapela,
57:37
these motherfuckers.
57:38
Speaker 4
Or the like zapping when they shake your hand. I
57:41
just love jack the idea of you going up and
57:44
being like, what's your angle?
57:45
Speaker 1
Yeah, what's your what's that ship?
57:47
Speaker 2
And honestly, that's a flex if you could get a
57:49
clown to break like that by just getting so in
57:52
their minds like hey, man, what's your running from? Like
57:54
whose face do you not? Whose face do you not
57:56
want to see in the mirror anymore?
57:59
Speaker 1
The that's the That's a really deep and cutting question.
58:02
The last three of the last three the least common
58:06
are fear of clowns learned from family members, negative portrayals
58:09
of clowns in popular culture, which I will say, yes,
58:12
there have been creepy clowns, but like Krusty really holds
58:15
it down for me, Like I'm not Krusty is like
58:18
the best ambassador.
58:19
Speaker 2
For clown, Like, this guy's a sad drunk man. Yeah,
58:22
he's just a sad, a normal guy.
58:24
Speaker 1
Yeah, I can understand krusty and his behavior is fairly predictable. Yeah,
58:29
unlike real class, but he does dad. And then number
58:32
eight a frightening experience with a clown, which I think
58:34
everybody would have assumed like that was the thing that
58:36
did it. But it's more just like we don't like
58:39
your whole shit.
58:41
Speaker 2
I guess maybe yeah, And I'm trying to think. I mean,
58:44
I get the whole thing of like I can't read them,
58:46
therefore it's scary. But to the point, like if that's
58:51
like one of my overarching fears is like I cannot
58:53
understand what is going on with this person emotionally. Yeah,
58:57
that's so I.
58:59
Speaker 1
Usually don't care about, like I'm not a sick. I
59:01
wonder if like clown fear is more common with like
59:03
salespeople who are like, I gotta read this guy, I
59:06
got to pick up his angle, what's this shit?
59:08
Speaker 4
I feel like though, if a car full of clowns
59:11
showed up right now and there was like thirty of
59:13
them that got out of a mini coup, like we
59:15
would kind of be into that yeah, I would.
59:19
Speaker 2
Yeah, this happened a good time.
59:20
Speaker 1
Balloon animals are fun.
59:21
Speaker 4
Balloon animals, I guess.
59:24
Speaker 2
Yeah, maybe my thing is too. Like anytime if a
59:26
clown tried to be scary, I'm like, what's up then?
59:30
And I think that's the They're like, goofy. I'm like, yeah, dude, goofy. Shit,
59:34
you're trying to be scary? Bro than what then? What's up?
59:36
Speaker 1
But I mean Terrifier just came out. Yeah, that's another
59:40
one that is really like that way overperformed. It went
59:45
from like a movie someone made in their backyard to
59:48
fucking like a big box office success this year with
59:52
Terrifier three. So I do feel like clud like the
59:56
fact that we are in our shared consciousness unsettled by
1:00:00
clowns is kind of an underrated thing that people are
1:00:05
still exploiting.
1:00:05
Speaker 2
Yeah, colorophobic ZiT gang, please let me know.
1:00:08
Speaker 1
I let him know.
1:00:09
Speaker 4
Yeah, I'm why what happened.
1:00:11
Speaker 2
We're from the same planet mostly, so I'm just like,
1:00:14
let me in and your colra full world.
1:00:17
Speaker 1
Yeah, and good and good luck out there on Halloween because,
1:00:20
like I said, probably top two or three costumes.
1:00:24
Speaker 4
And if clowns ghost face roomy.
1:00:28
Speaker 2
Right and if I swing on you for dressing like
1:00:30
a clown because I thought you were trying to square up.
1:00:32
I'm very sorry in advance. I didn't mean to do that.
1:00:36
Speaker 1
Danny Fernande is such a pleasure having you on the
1:00:38
daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you all
1:00:42
that good stuff.
1:00:43
Speaker 4
Yeah, I'm at miss Danny Fernandez on Instagram And I
1:00:46
just dropped my horror short. Oh my god, speaking up.
1:00:50
Tis this season premiered at La Leaf and Essence Fest
1:00:54
and Chicago horror Fest and like a bunch of fests.
1:00:56
So you can catch it on YouTube right now. Bruhita
1:00:59
prod is my which is Little Witch.
1:01:01
Speaker 1
That's my escort.
1:01:02
Speaker 4
So that's my YouTube. Yeah, you can check it out
1:01:05
or you can just check the link in my bio
1:01:06
on Instagram. It is a fun You'll notice Oscar Montoya
1:01:09
is in it, Chris Renfro like a lot of familiar faces.
1:01:13
Speaker 3
Yeah.
1:01:13
Speaker 4
So it's a little psychological horror. Check it out, watch
1:01:17
it in the dark.
1:01:18
Speaker 1
There you go, and all their work Amedia you want
1:01:20
you want to recommend other than that?
1:01:23
Speaker 4
Yeah, So speaking also of horror, smile too. So have
1:01:29
you seen it? I love that. I'm like smile too. Okay,
1:01:32
n only Scott, I know people listening who have seen it.
1:01:35
She deserves an Oscar for this betrayal. It was so
1:01:38
this was last season for award season, but like she crushed.
1:01:42
She did so good. She plays a pop star who's
1:01:44
being haunted by the whatever smile thing, and I mean
1:01:47
she just went full one hundred and ten percent Oscar
1:01:51
worthy so good.
1:01:53
Speaker 1
It is scary hearing that from people who really like movies.
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Speaker 4
Jack, you gotta watch it.
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Speaker 1
To do that shit. Miles Where can people find you
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as there? Work a media you've been enjoying?
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Speaker 2
Uh yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. And
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if you want to hear about ninety day Fiance, I
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do that at four to twenty day fiance work a media.
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I'm gonna watch Night of the Demons two, I think later,
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because the first one was so campy and terrible that
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I just in the background, we're carving a pumpkin later,
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although I don't know if that's probably good for a
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child who's not even three yet. Look, we're figuring it out.
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We're figuring it out.
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Speaker 1
You can help them, by the way, I've noticed, Yeah,
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you can help them out. What you don't need to
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help them carve the pumpkin.
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Speaker 2
No no, no, no, no, not in this house. That's not how.
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Speaker 1
Put the tools in front of them. I say, don't
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cut yourself.
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Speaker 2
Don't that's that's sharp and just see where we end up.
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It's funny because her Majesty was like, I don't know
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if this is good. It's like one of those very dull,
1:02:46
like pumpkin sauce that you use for carving. He'll be
1:02:50
all right, He'll be all right. He also will probably
1:02:53
lose interest in three minutes, so yeah, we'll be right.
1:02:57
Speaker 1
Well, we are going to be all right. You can
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find me on Twitter at Jack underscorel Brian on Blue
1:03:02
Sky at jack Obi. The number one. I'm trying to
1:03:05
think of like a horror movie that I can recommend.
1:03:08
That's I mean, I'm just gonna go with fucking Hereditary.
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I watched it for the first time this year. I
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thought it was really good. Scare the shit out of me. Also,
1:03:16
there's this kind of little known filmmaker who made a
1:03:19
movie called The Shining in the early eighties. A lot
1:03:22
of people don't know about The Shinning. Yeah, is it
1:03:25
called the Is that how it's pronounced that's another symptoms joke. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
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Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeigeist on Instagram, you
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can go to the description of this episode wherever you're
1:03:39
listening to it, and there at the bottom you will
1:03:41
find the footnotes, which is where we link off to
1:03:43
the information that we talked about in today's episode. We
1:03:45
also link off to a song that we think you
1:03:47
might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think
1:03:50
that people might endure?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, this is from Mick Jenkins' new album. It's called
1:03:54
a Murder of Crows. This track is called words I
1:03:56
should have said a name I know, but featuring Uh
1:04:00
the vocalist rapper any from the UK. The UK, I'm
1:04:05
telling you, the UK has so many good rappers, like
1:04:10
the the Like the women rappers that I'm listening to
1:04:13
out there are like they're bodying American rappers. I just
1:04:17
think they're like they're po I don't know, like lyrically
1:04:19
like I love Little Simms. Annie is also fantastic e
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n n Y. She's on this track with Mick Jenkins.
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I love this track too because it's like one of
1:04:27
those beats where you don't get a snare drum. There's
1:04:29
no like back beats, so you just get the bass
1:04:31
and you always think like you're gonna get that fucking
1:04:33
snare and you don't. And that tension is great because
1:04:36
it makes the lyrics hit even harder. And it's a
1:04:38
very self aware song. Anyway, words, yeah, snedging Yeah, words,
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I should have said, Mick Jenkins, any e, n n
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Y check it out, all right.
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Speaker 1
We will link off to that in the footnotes for
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think that was his real voice?
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Hey?
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What what happened to my trying to Savinia tweets. The
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