There’s more news and less comprehension today than any historical period that didn’t involve literal witch trials, and trying to stay on top of it all can feel like playing a game of telephone with 30 people, except everyone’s speaking at the same time and like a third of them are openly racist for some reason. From Cracked co-founder Jack O’Brien, THE DAILY ZEITGEIST is stepping into that fray with some of the funniest and smartest comedic and journalistic minds around. Jack and co-host Miles Gray spend up to an hour every weekday sorting through the events and stories driving the headlines, to help you find the signal in the noise, with a few laughs thrown in for free.
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episode 1: We STAN Standard Time, Trollin’ With NFTs 3.21.22
In episode 1208, Jack and Miles are joined by TV writer Korama Danquah to discuss.....
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Speaker 1
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to twenty nine,
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Episode one of Joe Days. Like guys, it's a production
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of I Heart Radio. It's a podcast, this one where
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we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, March,
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which of course means that it's National Corn Dog Day.
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It's National Certified Nurses Day. Also, you know what I up.
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That's what Saturday is. It's International Color Day and World
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Puppetry Day. Okay, I love both of those things. Colors,
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also colorful Puppets, National French Bread Day, National California Strawberry Day,
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and World Down Syndrome Day. We got it all today, Okay,
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out to all of those things. It's Monday. People putting in,
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putting in work for the downs community and America. Awesome. Well, Miles,
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I haven't introduced to you, so I'm not gonna shut
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you know, We've only done this a thousand times. Um.
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My name is Jack O'Brien a k Take me down
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to the KFC where the colonel is pretty in the
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candles are gravy. I don't want what you please take
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me down under. That is courtesy of Warren the Wear Bear,
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everybody's favorite wear bear and also in honor of Australians
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KFC tasting menu where the Colonel does look very pretty
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on the stencil plate that you're supposed to lick, and
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the gravy candles are a revelation. A revelation as we
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put it, because I use that word so often that
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I have to shorten it. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be
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joined as always by my co host Mr Miles grab
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apple bottom e in all of the core. Her Majesty
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was looking disturbed the way I bite, the way I'll
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bite that apple butt and I start lo lo lo
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lo lo lo lo lo, shout out to Rumhand mc
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duck on the discord, because yeah, we start the apple
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We start the apples from the bottom, Okay, that's how
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we eat them, not from the sides. We eat a
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straight from the bottom to make onlookers disturbed. This is
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the new I know, and our guests right, another time
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I've said something and the guests is just a gas
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without saying anything, talking about eating apples from the bottom anyway, yeah,
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bottom up, yeah, not top down, you feel me, not
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top down, like a good organization, bottom up, bottom up, Well, Miles,
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we are thoroughly be joined in our third seat by
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a brilliant actress, writer, podcaster, educator. It is the brilliant
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the town to Karama dog Water. Hello, thank you. I
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didn't prepare an A k A. I should have. I've
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been here before. I want to be like you, guys.
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I can't match your singing prowess. Thank you for having
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me again. Have Yeah. Cool is definitely the operative word.
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Very very cool what you've just witnessed here at the
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start of very legal. I'm also the only person not
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wearing a hat. And I feel like rude that I
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didn't get that memo and you and you eat your
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apples from the side. I'm I'm assuming based on your
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reaction to that song, I was singing, Oh, I don't
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need apples because I like to fight doctors. I have
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a tiny apple today. I guess that's my it's my
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mid record snack. I didn't even think about it. It's time.
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I could probably eat it in like three bites, I think,
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but I don't know. I still have yet to try
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the bottom to the top method of apple eating. So
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maybe we'll maybe it'll happen May. Yeah, maybe it'll happen
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live to tape on this podcast. I feel like the
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way that you eat a food is very important, and
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I just I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong
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to r from the bottom up. It feels very wrong.
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This like this is these of kinds of guests we
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have on that just challenge the paradigm as we know it,
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you know, and push us further and further out and saying,
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you know, there's no wrong way to eat an apple.
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And it just looks well like I So I bit
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into a kit cat once, just like the whole thing,
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and it didn't taste right anymore. It just wasn't a
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kit cat right, like, Oh, you didn't break them apart,
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You're just like big through all four of them. Yeah,
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it looks like a pan flute made of chocolate. That's
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nice from my music cons So, Karama you are where
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where are you coming to us from? I'm coming to
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you from Chicago? Currently new city for me. I like
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it so far. It's nice. A lot of buildings for love,
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happy for Chicago and all of its buildings. Yeah. Yeah,
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did you get to witness any of the St. Patrick's
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Day madness? I was here on St. Patrick's Day, so
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a little little nanigans. I'm not a big drinking holiday celebrator.
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So I was just like minding my business. I actually
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got my passport renewed on St. Patrick's Day, you know,
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the craziest activity. So I said, most of my day
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in the passport office. But me and the passport office
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guy are a really great shout out to at the
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passport office in Chicago. Wait, but you you're in l A.
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Are You're in California most of the time, right, Like
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you live in California, right, and so but You're like,
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I gotta handle my passport ship while I'm in Chicago.
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So here's the thing. I'm stupid. So what I shouldn't
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dine is just did it in l A. Because I
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didn't do my US passport. I did my Donna passport.
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And there are four places in the United States where
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you can renew you're gonna passport, and one of them
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is Los Angeles. But I was like, you know what,
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I'm in Chicago. I don't have anybody here that's trying
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to hunt me down, that needs anything to me. So
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I'm just gonna do this very important errand while I'm
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in Chicago. Don't ever do that. That's crazy. I don't
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know why I did that. It just felt like you
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were so comfortable there. I'm like, damn, look at you
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really feeling this in I'm like, yeah, I handle some
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of my federal passport business thing. I think I've done
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all year, right, And nobody peeed on your shoe or
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anything like that. Like you made it through the St.
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Chicago St. Patrick's Day celebration without anybody at like just
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somebody breaking a window in front of you, none of that.
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I'm the problem on St. Patrick's Day, which is why
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I don't really celebrate because I don't like I don't
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like the Celtics, and there's a lot of people wearing
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Celtics jerseys on St. Patrick's Day because they are green
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and so like. In fourteen, I almost started a fight
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with the dude at a bar in l A because
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I was like, you can't wear that here, you don't
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do that here, and he was blessedly like, okay, ma'am
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right right. They're like you're at my bar on St. Patrick's. See.
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I had one drink. St. Patrick's Say, I went and
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dot Ramen and had one drink. I had like an
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old fashion and I did see a Diana Larry Bird
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jersey and I was feeling feisty after my one old
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thou and I was like, oh, it's on. Have you
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been watching Winning Time on HBO? No, I haven't about
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the Showtime Lakers. Oh man, there's some good if if
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you want to get like energized by like people not
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liking the Celtics, there's some good scenes in there where
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I'm like, yes, just cracked her knuckles, like, oh yeah,
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we're going in. I am a fellow Celtic despisers. Reason
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for me to hate this This rivalry has basically been
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dead since Larry Bird and Magic Johnson retired. Literally no reason.
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It's just the thing I hold on to. It's my hobby.
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Had beef with Danny Ainge. He's gone, and I'm still like, man,
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I still really do not like this team. I don't
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know what it is. You always bring that up, like
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I thought with Danny Ainge and I thought it was
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going to be gone. Well, I always bring it up
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on the show. You should talk to my therapist, you know,
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they're like, that's all I talk. Also, I know there's
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a listener named Alicia from Boston who's gonna be in
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my mentions right now because whenever I bring up Alicia,
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I love you. I love the people of Boston, Alicia,
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you get the past, and you know what my my
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dislike of the Seldon I don't know. I mean, don't
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come into my house wearing that trash. And some people
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in Boston are great. Boston has a city, though, does
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have a reputation for being just a little bit racist,
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a little bit I've heard, I heard, if I heard
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a few things from the history books, I should not
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give the global pass to the people of Boston. That's
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probably a little much. But there are great people in Boston.
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No city deserves a global past, I think you. No,
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definitely not Los Angeles. Yeah right, Chicago's great though, Thanks Chicago, honestly, Yeah,
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my grandparents are from Chicago, so I'll give, I'll give.
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I'll give some people with a grandparents Bay get passed.
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If your grandparent in Chicago. Great, there it is Boom.
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All right, we're going to get to know you a
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little bit better in a moment Roma book. First, we're
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going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're
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talking about. We're talking about standard time as opposed to
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daylight Savings time. This bummed me out a little bit
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because my instinctively I prefer Daylight Savings time, but I
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think it's from a selfish point of view. And so
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we're gonna talk about some people are saying we should
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not have frozen the clocks at daylight Savings time. We
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should have frozen a standard time standard, which makes sense.
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I guess it is the standard. It is the standard,
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but it's only like four months out of the year
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that we're in standard time. I never know what time
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it is. And I have to say one of my
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pet peeves is that when people write what time zone,
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they usually write p s T E s T, no
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matter whether we're in and Daylight Saving time or not.
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And I'm like, what's mean things guilty? Just write and
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eats for it. Yeah, that's all right because specific standard time.
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Right but we're in p DT right now. Okay. I
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do all of mine with Granwich standard time and then
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plus minus you know, however many hours it needs to
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be GMT Granwich mean time, Granwich mean time. And they
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say GMT stands for Donna Man time because nothing start
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on time. Over there, we're gonna talk about some controversy
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on the Gray's Anatomy writing team. I guess we're gonna
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talk about n f T s. Baby, they're back, They're
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have you heard about these things? So we're gonna there's
10:51
a pepe n f T. And then there's an article
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in Jacobin that's talking about like how the crypto world
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tends to go in one political direction when it comes
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to who benefits from these, specifically towards the right. It
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has a it favors the right, the one I didn't
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want it, I know. So we'll talk about why that
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is plenty moore, But first we do like to ask
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our guest, what is something from your search history? Okay,
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all right, So I just want to preface this by saying,
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this is again the third time I've been on this show.
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Thank you for having me back. And every time I'm like,
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I'm gonna search something that makes me seem mysterious and
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then I forget, So you really do get my unadulterated
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search history. So what I've chosen today is something I
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searched yesterday, and I searched why do pickles get to
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be pickles? Because because pickled cucumbers we in the United
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States called pickles, and I'm like, well, you can pickle
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other things, so why do pickles get to be pickles?
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And I read an interesting article from PBS just about pickling,
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and I I learned a lot about pickled objects and
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how pickling is a very old practice and basically it's
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just kind of the thing that we pick We pickle
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the most in the United States, so that's why we
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call them pickles, and that they were very easy to
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travel with because you can just like pull out a
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pickle and walk around with it. You know. Our very
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brilliant super producer Becca Ramos just said I was gonna
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be like, all right, that's you know, that's a thought
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nobody else has ever had before. But the super producer
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Becca was like, I was just thinking about this the
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other day. Thank you Beca for being in my corner.
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But this sac yeah, this has big like either three
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year old thought or like thought I would only have
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when I was too high like thought energy to define.
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I lean more towards three years old because I feel
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bad for the other things that are not getting called pickles,
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Like why doesn't kim chi get to be called pickles? Right?
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Has a nice aime, you know, you know what I mean?
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I think pickles would do kimchi a disservice. So in
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a way, pickles I'm actually when it comes to pickles,
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I'm gonna do you ever have half sour pickles? No?
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Where they're like halfway between going full pickle and there's
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still a little bit cucumber e that sounds like a
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bad cucumber. It's you know, that's what I thought at first,
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But it has like this other tech, this quality to
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it that I really enjoyed, and like a full on green,
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you know, like swamp green kind of pick a lot
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of barrel kind of thing. Anyway, to each their ow,
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and since it is March madness, I do have to
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and pickles are coming up, I do have to mention
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that a friend of mine, Ryan put, once pointed out
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that Coach K has a face, Mike Saschowski has a
13:48
face that suggests that he loves pickles. And it doesn't
13:51
really make sense, but it's nothing has ever seemed truer
13:56
to me than the idea that Coach K loves pickles.
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So shout out to Ryan Cassidy. After complaining about a
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duke class, he unwindes with a nice bit pickle bite.
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He's like in Texas movie theaters, not all of them,
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but in some Texas movie theaters you can buy like
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a movie pickle. Beccaramos producer from Texas about to come
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through with probably another anecdote. Wait, so they have movie pickles. Yeah,
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like you can buy popcorn or you can buy a
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pickle and like one of those big forearm sized ones. No,
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I think it's just like just a hand sized pickle,
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like like a regular size. That's lommy miles. I'm sorry, Well, okay,
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we need to actually can you show me a picture
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of what you say, because you might need to reconcile
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or definition this year. That's always an interesting little wrinkle.
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I don't know if this is nationwide or if it's
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just California four er if I just found out about
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it when I got out here. But pickled halapangos come
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in with your corn is so great and it's an
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option and almost agree. You just take a little hallapeno,
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put it in the handful of popcorn and it really
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spices things up. Like literally, it's actually Irish palette handle
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that kind of check. My palette can handle it. The
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rest of my body begs to differ. I swept through
15:25
my shirt the second I have a bite. But yeah,
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my my friend who grew up out here to turned
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me onto that, and I have not looked back. I've
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never done that and I've never noticed it. Oh, I
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buy a thing of nacho cheese that you're supposed to
15:41
have for into the nachos, the little nacho cup, dip
15:44
my popcorn in the nacho cheese. That's when I'm high.
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It's because and you know what, I probably never noticed
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the pickle llepeeno popcorn thing because I don't eat popcorn.
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So that's like I don't like, I know, there's no reason,
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like I will eat popcorns on occasions, but it's not
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like my go to. I'm never like, oh, I gotta
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have popcorn with my movie. I just like I will
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not eat here. I will. But you know when back when,
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back when I was like in my A M C
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A List days, I would get the chicken tender meal again,
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like me being a three year old became like chicken
16:25
tenders and French fries in a cookie and I would
16:28
be like, oh, I'm gonna see Captain Marvel and eat
16:30
my chicken tendies. There you go, Yeah, because it needs
16:33
to feel a little more substantial, right than like an
16:36
expensive snack. And I feel like if you're going to
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be paying over ten dollars something. You're like, my fucking
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memially eat a fucking pizza or whatever. But I like
16:44
the chairman. I haven't had the chicken tendies at AMC though.
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The popcorn is unfortunately locked in for me as like
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go to a movie, I gotta have the popcorn. It
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makes me feel bad, Like after I eat it, I'm like,
16:58
I just date so much food that has no nutritional value.
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But it's I think the question is not why someone
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wouldn't eat popcorn, but why we all eat popcorn? And
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I don't know why does popcorn get to be the
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movie snack. It's like why do pickles get to be pickles?
17:16
Why why is popcorn movie snack? And like I wonder
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if in other countries they have other movie snacks that
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we're just not thinking of. Like if I went to
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a movie theater in like New Delhi and they said, hey,
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you want some samosas, I would suck that shut out. Yeah,
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for sure, for sure. What is something you think is overrated?
17:33
Corn dogs? Y'all mentioned corn dogs earlier and I was like,
17:36
that's overrated. I had a whole other thing written down.
17:39
I was like, no, crossing that out corn dogs. I
17:42
don't like corn dogs. I feel like the corn bread
17:46
dipping is never good. It's just too thick and then
17:49
mostly bland. Like I wanted to taste like good corn
17:54
bread and it never does right. Right, So it's like
17:57
a bad pot dog with bad corn bread, right, yeah,
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So step up the batter recipes so I feel like
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we're actually eating some really good corn bread on top,
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because there's nothing worse. Like I used to, I was
18:08
like one of these kids who would always want to
18:09
eat hot dog on a stick because I thought it
18:11
would taste different the next time, and you'd always inevitably
18:15
get some thick ass batter bite Like they are very overrating,
18:21
And you know, I think there is there exists somewhere
18:24
a really good corn dog execution. It's almost always bad
18:31
in theory, maybe maybe, but we need to we need
18:35
to see it. Corn dogs, You're not You're not living
18:38
up to the promise, right for sure. Yeah. Sometimes I
18:44
think I like because I liked corn dogs as a kid,
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but I would always end up like the last third
18:50
I wouldn't eat. I'm like nasking too corn bread, like
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corny at the bottom here too thick? Yeah, I just yeah,
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really who please said, I'm sure, like at a fair
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or something where you're watching people doing fresh straight up
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like that, And I guess hot dog on the stick
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is pretty fresh too, but it's in the mall. Nothing
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in the mall is fresh. Yeah. Please direct me into
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the direct put me in the direction of the good
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corn dogs. Please. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's like
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gang we we can do that. Let it let us know,
19:20
go back through the memory. Is there a good corn
19:22
dog that you've had? What was different about it? Where
19:25
can it be had? If you have a corn dog
19:28
recipe that you like at home, dait me with that,
19:31
like an air fryer corn dog recipe? That sounds good.
19:35
I don't know if it's possible, but it sounds like
19:37
it would be good. There's a listical about where to
19:40
find the best corn dog in the world, you know,
19:44
where where is the best one? Two of the five
19:47
are in Texas Dallas at Fletchers. They say it's really
19:53
good Moonshine in Austin. These look artisanal too, like they
19:57
look all floppy and ship like. I don't on have
20:00
corn dog shrimp? What the fund is that? It just
20:03
sounds like battered shrimp. That sounds like popular, yeah, but
20:07
with a corn on it. All right, when you're picturing
20:10
the good corn dog in your mind, is the corn
20:13
batter like sticking to the hot dog? That's what I'm picturing. Like,
20:18
it's not. It's not that like loose sleeve of no,
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no hollowness like corn dog gap. No fluffy corn gap,
20:28
fluffy corn bread. Not like when you're saying thick. It's
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not like size wise is too thick. It's that it's
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like the batter is like to like consistently like tasty
20:39
almost yeah yeah, yeah yeah, come on, almost like the
20:46
corn and then it's fluffy. That's some experience I'm looking for.
20:49
I can only make sounds to describe it. If you're
20:52
connected with that, let me know where I can have that.
20:54
This is why it needs to be a video podcast.
20:56
You guys could have seen miles performance of the process
21:01
of eating. Please let us know if you want this
21:03
to be a video podcast, so then we can. If
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it is, thank you for my last visit, I will no, no, no,
21:09
not not this one. What is something you think is underrated? Okay,
21:18
so we all know wordle right m hm, that's the
21:21
thing that's separate hurdle h E A R D L
21:25
E is my favorite, sort of like wordle offshoot where
21:29
it's music and you have like six seconds to figure
21:32
out what the song is and they give you like
21:34
increasing this is huge. We we so we We've been talking.
21:40
I'm a big word wordle head and quirtle and have
21:45
not liked many of the variants. But then they dropped
21:48
purdle on us, which is how you pronounced the NBA
21:51
player who John Morant like put into a grave dunking
21:56
on a few A few weeks back, wod he released
21:59
like like you gotta guess the NBA player and it's
22:02
got like the various like statistics are not statistics, but
22:06
like team height, position, jersey number, like all these things
22:11
and like fun and specific. It is fun and specific.
22:14
But that game I was like, oh, this is a
22:17
whole there's a whole universe you could do in this
22:20
format with I said, movies, but songs great, It's really great,
22:26
And like I feel good about myself when I get
22:29
a good hurdle score, like when I get one second,
22:32
if I get one to four seconds, I feel great
22:34
about myself one to four seconds. Okay, so tell me
22:39
what are what are the like how how does the
22:43
song reveal itself? So you get one second to start,
22:47
so if you can get it in that one second,
22:49
then that's your Like you get six they're six different
22:52
increments of time. So like with word, you have six guesses,
22:57
but they get increasingly longer. So it's total sixteen seconds. Um,
23:02
so I think it's one second, and then you can
23:03
add another second, and then you can add like two
23:06
more seconds. And then I'm at the website. Hopefully we
23:13
don't get sued, and if we do, we'll bleep it up.
23:15
But this is here. Actually, this Friday is hurdle, so
23:18
don't worry. Yeah, it's already passed. I've also already done today.
23:24
I did it at like two in the morning. Okay,
23:27
So this is the site right here, and then so
23:29
here's the play button and then you play it and
23:31
then I'm imagining this like first segment is all that
23:34
place to be, Like, okay, you added off of this
23:36
and then you put it in, right, Is that how
23:37
it works for? Okay, So here we go, Jack, We're
23:40
gonna hear the first second. Wait, that just sounded like
23:43
I just got some dead air. It sounds like a
23:46
truck idling. You know what seeing it again this one,
23:49
it was two guesses for me. The second guest, Okay,
23:52
I'm gonna need another one, so would I do skip
23:54
one's plus one? Second? Is that gives give us a
23:57
little more? Oh? Fuck yeah, okay, forget it. Okay, this
24:04
is okay, I have a new obsession, right, it's fun seconds. Okay,
24:10
they really fuck you? Really? I know this all right,
24:14
forget it. This is this freak ahead and like the
24:17
whole show is going to be like, do you want
24:18
me to tell you what the song was? Yeah? What
24:21
is it? It's Harder, Better, faster, Stronger by Daft Punk. Yeah, okay,
24:28
this game it doesn't really sound like a car idling.
24:31
You know what, mom, if you're listening, she's not. But
24:35
this is what this is why I watched Daft Hands
24:38
so many times for this moment. That's actually the fact
24:43
that you got that on two pretty wild, thank you.
24:47
That's the best part of like word all two is
24:49
when you get the word quickly and you're kind of
24:52
like surprised by yourself. You're like, whoa, my brain my
24:57
first word al I got on my second guess, my
25:00
ever wordle, and I was like, oh, I can't do
25:03
heroin because this feels too good and I'm gonna chase
25:06
this for the rest of my life. Is Hurdle the
25:10
always the first seconds? Like does it always open with
25:13
the opening of the song? Yes, it does, which is
25:15
sometimes very annoying. Yeah, that can be really got to know, okay,
25:20
I got I want to dance with somebody in one second.
25:23
And I was with my mother when I played it.
25:25
She was like, that sounds like firecrackers. How do you
25:27
know what song that is right right right, because it's
25:30
got that like that goes that comes in hot right yeah,
25:36
with some drums and then oh yeah, look at you.
25:40
So I have a soft pitch on Hurdle that this
25:44
seems simple and perfect, But is there is there a
25:49
world where you get clues about like the year the
25:54
song came out, the genre of music that the song
25:57
is from, and then the audio clue is like the
26:01
fifth or sixth one. I like that, that's a soft pitch.
26:06
That's what That's kind of what I had in mind
26:07
for the movie version Hurdle plus there you go. Anyways,
26:12
thank you so much for introducing us to Hurdle. You're
26:16
welcome and shout out to um. There's a like there's
26:19
some hardcore I Carly fans follow me on Twitter and
26:24
I'm like, y'all, I don't talk about it Carly ever,
26:27
so any news that you wrote, I'm so scared of
26:33
getting sued, and I'm like, I'm not going to talk
26:36
about that show ever publicly. Um, But one of the
26:41
like hardcore fans, he and I follow each other. We're mutuals.
26:45
He's very nice, uh named Nathan, and I found out
26:48
about it from him. So shout out to Nathan Duarte
26:50
for that one. Okay, okay, shout out Nathan, and also
26:54
maybe check out dailyza Geist where we where we thank
26:58
Nathan in a while. Fans to come on, bro. I
27:01
know we didn't work on I Carley, but we know
27:04
people that did like Coma and Lacey so like she's
27:10
underrated that I feel the world is gonna fully begin
27:17
to appreciate her in the next two couple of years. Here,
27:19
I feel like that the ascent is undeniable at the moment,
27:25
underrated than she was she was. She's less underrated than
27:29
she was a day ago, but still underrated. I thought
27:32
lazy Flowers last week, like I truly love Lacey amazing.
27:37
All right, let's take a quick break, we'll be right back,
27:51
and we're back. And so this I'll tell you my
27:55
my first response to this news story, it is stand
28:00
or time. The thing we actually need to embrace permanently
28:03
was the Sunshine Protection Act passed by the Senate unanimously
28:07
last week. Was that, like, should we have thought that through?
28:10
My first reaction was like, oh, fuck you, Like this
28:15
is one this is a thing that everybody was happy about.
28:18
Do we have to have the backlash? And it's also
28:22
my oh fuck you. I was coming from a place,
28:25
a selfish place, because I just do like having the
28:27
additional sunlight at the end of the day. However, the
28:31
the other major deciding factor in what kind of life
28:37
I'm living, and also like how how I interact with
28:39
the clock is that I have young children and it
28:42
has been held trying to get them to go to
28:45
sleep when the sun is still in the sky. They
28:48
and they're they're sleep is all fucked up. So enter
28:52
the push for standard time. Yeah, I mean a lot
28:57
of experts are like, why the fund did you pick
29:00
daylight savings over standard because we've talked about this on
29:04
the show a lot about how daylight savings causes a
29:08
lot of issues like in general people, they fucking lose sleep,
29:11
so naturally, like nearly everybody on the planet or and
29:15
the place that's observing daylight savings is beginning to get
29:18
sleep deprived, stress levels go up. It's like, it's like
29:23
a quantifiable metric to see that heart attacks and strokes
29:26
increase the week following daylight savings time, and in that
29:29
same period there's a six percent increase in fatal car accidents.
29:33
There's a lot to be like, Yeah, this is like
29:35
it sucks us up when we just say, wake up
29:38
in the darkness. Well, here's my question, though I'm not
29:43
questioning the science. I'm not questioning the of research that's
29:46
been done. I believe that there are is a quantifiable
29:48
uptick in all of those negative health issues. But is
29:51
that because of the change or is that because of
29:54
the time itself. Because if we just stick with one time,
29:57
whatever that time is, is it possible ball that we
30:00
won't have those issues. Yeah, that's always been my thesis,
30:04
is that it's the change. It's changing the clock a
30:07
whole hour fox with people. So I yeah, that's like
30:11
and I don't think the claim here is that like, well,
30:13
it's just because daylight savings time is evil and that's
30:16
why there are these things it. I think everybody has
30:19
assumed that just like this is this is because of
30:23
the change, the losing one hour of sleep. But the
30:27
I think the point that's being made is that if
30:31
you're going to choose between the two daylight savings, is
30:36
not making darker earlier like in the morning, or don't
30:40
start the day and darkness. Because I think the other
30:42
thing that they point is like evolutionarily, we've just been
30:45
designed to be like where's the sunhead and then and
30:48
move with that, and so our our circadian rhythms are
30:51
tied to that. So by saying uh funk that you're
30:54
going to you're going an hour early, our bodies still know.
30:57
And that's and that's where the problems come up, as
31:00
where the clock time and our internal clock time are
31:03
not on the same ship. And so you know, they
31:05
also talk about teens, how like adolescents already have like
31:09
a natural delay like in their sleep patterns already, like
31:13
because of their growth and things like that. So waking
31:15
up in darkness by going in our head, if they
31:18
wake up in darkness, it actually makes it harder for
31:20
them to get to sleep on time, and again you
31:24
map all those other concerns about stress levels going up,
31:26
sleep deprivation, this and also that leads to depression. This
31:31
has again a lot of like child development people have
31:33
been pointing to this really alarming trend. They said in
31:36
twenty nineteen, one in three high school students and half
31:39
of female students reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness,
31:43
which is at increase of tooth from two thousand nine.
31:46
So they're saying, if we're already dealing with this, making
31:49
kids wake up earlier is only going to exacerbate this,
31:53
or we're not, it's not, it's not going to help them.
31:55
If it is, then we need to push back what
31:57
time school starts, right, which is it shouldn't be well,
32:01
this is what time school always starts. Funk, what's in
32:03
the sky gets your ass to school? And then the
32:06
other arguments about like we'll do like in politicians like
32:09
dowaylight saving time, it's actually we're gonna add more sunlight
32:11
to the day. Well, it's not you're gonna add more
32:13
sunlight to the day. That's not how that fucking works.
32:16
But just for a science explainer, so you can sound
32:18
really smart at your dinner party this week, because that's
32:21
what we all do. We all go to dinner parties
32:23
our friends and talk about the New Yorker and our
32:25
French salons, but doing a hurdle in the parlor. This
32:32
is from this Atlantic article saying, quote, because of the
32:34
Earth's till, the sun spends less time above the horizon. No,
32:37
this is actually sorry, this from the New York Times. Quote,
32:39
because of the Earth's till, the sun spends less time
32:41
above the horizon during winter, which means we have shorter
32:44
daylight hours year round. Daylight savings time would only shift
32:48
daylight from the morning to the evening, meaning the sun
32:51
would rise and set an hour later than we're used
32:53
to from November to March. And again they're saying this
32:57
really needs to be considered because of all of like
33:00
the timing effects that it has on people. So I
33:04
don't know, while it is nice to have that extra
33:06
hour of the day, the right at the Atlantic, Heather
33:09
Turgeon positive, like, I wonder if business interest groups thought
33:13
it's better to do daylight savings time so if it's
33:16
lighter towards the end of the day, people will consume
33:19
more and you know, and actually patronized businesses more because
33:23
there's more sun having done no research, that sounds like
33:28
America that does. Yeah, that sounds just about And the
33:33
fact that it was unanimous across both parties. I'm like,
33:38
you see, that's where the government really fucked up. They
33:41
showed us that they can get along, right, and now
33:44
we're gonna want that. Yeah right, well, and think you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
33:49
That's what that was about it because all of our donors, like,
33:51
the one thing all of our donors aligned on was
33:54
give us more daylight for people to buy more ship
33:57
And you see it in the sentiment a lot of
33:59
people have that we're celebrating this. A lot of people like, great,
34:02
I have more daylight at the end of the day,
34:04
which I get it's more energizing. I don't really have
34:06
an opinion either way, but when I look at these
34:08
concerns that are raised, I'm like, oh, those are valid
34:10
because I feel I was dead tired this last week
34:14
just trying to just so. Yeah, it does seem like
34:18
we we all got swept up in it. I assumed,
34:21
based on nothing that someone was doing the research to
34:24
be like this is the better of the two. Turns
34:26
out not so much, but also didn't California do this already?
34:32
I think Arizona might have. Arizona and Hawaii don't funk
34:36
with it. We voted on this already in California and
34:39
they're just doing a federal version because I remember having
34:42
all these discussions like a couple of years ago during
34:44
the term elections, because there was some proposition that was like, hey,
34:47
do you just want to like not change time? And
34:49
I was like, yeah, I want to change time. That
34:51
sounds great, right, Yeah. I wonder if that, like how
34:57
popular that proposition and any others were, gave them the
35:01
idea of like, all right, well we can just throw
35:04
this through and getting easy quick when in in Congress
35:07
and make it seem like Congress has done something. I
35:10
wonder how how many midterm elections they're gonna be throwing
35:13
this out there. We got you another day of daylight
35:18
of oh you guys don't like the sunlight? Okay, okay, communist,
35:23
But yeah, I think again, anything that comes out of
35:26
Marco Rubio off Marco Rubio's desk, I'd be like, okay,
35:29
so which interest group wrote this one? Right? I mean,
35:33
like any fucking senator to be honest, But yeah, especially
35:37
when Marco Rubio is like championing it. I'm like, it
35:40
really raises the case for you know, you're in You're
35:43
in the Sunshine State. I can imagine that business interest
35:47
groups in that state are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, more
35:49
Sunshine for make more money spend by people. Yeah, more Disney.
35:53
Although when are they going to do the fireworks? Why
35:56
are they gonna do the fireworks? Think of fantasmic? Will
36:00
you people? Do they even do fantasmic? I think they do.
36:04
Speaking of Disney, I couldn't not think of Maui from
36:07
I Wanna doing that You're welcome like rap I. I
36:12
just had this like horrible vision of Marco Rubio doing
36:15
that like for his next election ad cosplazes mathe rabbit
36:23
like telling people you're welcome for the sun in the sky.
36:26
I can believe it. Oh yeah, I could definitely see
36:29
that ship. I can see Marco Rodyo calling himself an
36:32
ordinary Demi guy. Just anyways, great song, Marco Rubio, Please
36:39
stay the funk away from it. You have kids. You
36:41
probably heard that song like a million times. Oh yeah,
36:44
it's it's up there. It's it's near the top of
36:47
the charts of the past four or five years. Yeah,
36:50
let's talk about this Gray's Anatomy writer story. It's just
36:54
kind of a wild story, but it's it's definitely something
36:58
that you see happen on the internet everywhere. Yeah, just
37:02
this idea of people being taking a little bit from
37:05
here and they're spicing up their own life to maybe
37:08
ascend in your job or make yourself more interesting or
37:11
Gardner sympathy. But there's this writer Elizabeth Finch, who has
37:14
written on Gray's Anatomy since has also been on like
37:18
written on shows like Vampire Diaries, True Blood, you know,
37:20
like established writers are all my shows. Also, I'm like,
37:24
I've been with this woman. Yeah. My toxic trait is
37:28
that if I'm hanging out with you and we are
37:30
near a television, I'm going to ask you, hey, do
37:32
you want to watch the pilot of True Blood? And
37:35
you're gonna say no, what, I'm gonna make you do
37:37
it anywhere. I love that energy where you're like, man,
37:42
if we get high. Karam was going to be like,
37:44
do you want to watch the pilot of True Blood
37:46
called Stone Call? It's reminding me of me who would
37:51
be like, hey, man, you want to watch City of
37:52
God in like two thousand five. Yeah, every time, or
38:00
the pilot of the Shield. But like, true Blood is
38:03
my show, and she was the writer's assistant on True
38:06
Blood before she was a writer on True Bloods and
38:08
she's been with that show, and I like, I was
38:11
with her the whole time, for the whole ride there.
38:13
And I recently rewatched all eight seasons of The Vampire Diaries,
38:17
so yeah, and I am two episodes behind on Grey's Anatomy.
38:21
So I've watched eight teen seasons of Grey's Anatomy. So
38:24
this I'm I'm really upset with Elizabeth right now. Yeah,
38:29
are you Are you familiar with Elizabeth before this story broke,
38:33
Like did you know her as an I did not
38:36
know her as a name, But when the story broke
38:38
and I looked up, I was like, I know her work. Yeah,
38:41
you're everywhere. I want to be like your MasterCard or
38:45
visa or whatever that thing is. But so when right
38:48
before she was about to start Gray's, you know, she
38:52
she was saying that she had been through a lot
38:53
of health stuff, and in the writer's room had mentioned
38:55
she's been through a lot, had a very turbulent medical history,
38:58
which the writer's room naturally, you know, Gray's Anatomy will
39:01
take ship from real life, inspired by real life, and
39:03
put it into the show, and her stories were not
39:06
an exception. They heard a lot of the anecdotes that
39:09
she had and we're like, wow, can we use some
39:10
of this for the show. And this is from one
39:12
of the write ups, They said, quote. Despite being just
39:14
forty four years old, Finch has seemingly endured a lifetime
39:16
of ailments and suffering, which helped transform her into an
39:19
icon of the show. She was diagnosed with a rare
39:21
form of bone cancer the year before Gray's hired her.
39:24
She went through several brutal rounds of chemo, which forced
39:26
her to unfortunately have an abortion. She lost a kidney
39:30
and part of her leg, and then was required to
39:32
have a knee replacement surgery surgery, only to later learn
39:35
that she had been misdiagnosed by a doctor whom she
39:38
later confronted. And she's been very upfront about this, She's
39:41
written like multiple essays in places like l magazine or
39:44
like the Shonda Shonda land website. But things got went
39:48
a little bit sideways when all of a sudden, her
39:52
wife contacted Shawonda Land in ABC too said I think
39:56
my wife maybe being a bit duplicitous about like what
40:00
she's telling you. Also, this all happened because like during
40:04
while the Finch was working on Gray's said that they
40:07
had to leave for a pressing family emergency that day
40:10
and couldn't work, so that her coworkers, concerned, phoned her
40:12
wife asked what was happening. They mentioned like what Finch
40:16
had told them, and her wife said that the details
40:20
of what her like what Finch said to the writers
40:22
that Grays was eerily similar to her her own very
40:25
specific medical troubles. That's part that gets me because just
40:29
say this happened to your wife. Just say that it
40:32
happened to your wife. That's what's so wild, And you like, yeah,
40:38
so I want you could you have just as much
40:40
proximity as a writer. I'm sure other writers would trust
40:43
you to be like, oh, you lived through supporting a
40:46
person going through this. You didn't just read an article.
40:49
Please give us some musable, you know, like something that
40:52
we can we can actually inspire the writing on the show.
40:55
But yeah, it's odd. So right now Finch has been
40:57
put on leave and the people aren't quite sure. But
41:02
the wife is said because of this, like fault like
41:04
what's happened. She's like now going through a quote acrimonious divorce.
41:10
So yeah, I mean, if true, you truly are like,
41:13
what was good point of that? But I get to
41:17
in some creative environment, maybe just very misguidedly, you think, oh,
41:22
this is gonna make me like indispensable to the show,
41:24
or this will really help me be someone who needs
41:26
to be part of the show and you know, help
41:29
me in my career. But damn. What's what's wild is
41:32
it feels like she doesn't know the show because of
41:35
the fact that she decided if she did lie, if
41:38
this is true, she decided to lie and say that
41:40
it was her instead of her wife. Because the show
41:43
is about relationships. The show is about the relationships that
41:46
you build up your coworkers with your patients with like
41:49
romantic relationships. It's about people. It's not just about the medicine.
41:53
And having somebody who spouses going through this and who,
41:57
like say Meredith main character the Gray herself. She sees
42:02
somebody who's spouses going through this and it reminds her
42:05
of when her husband Derek died in like season twelve
42:08
or whenever he died. That that is a story that
42:11
is I think very compelling. I would watch it. Yeah,
42:16
I mean this isn't a compelling character for any medical drama.
42:20
Is somebody who takes the medical history of a loved
42:24
one for like selfish purposes. That ship would be I
42:28
can see that. I don't watch a ton of grays.
42:31
I've watched a lot of like medical dramas that like
42:33
How Scrubs, like all the all those shows like so
42:37
you know, where the patient is revealed to like be
42:41
having like sympathetic ailments based on the ailments of a
42:45
loved one. The other wild thing is just the it's
42:48
a really interesting like almost like psychological drama of being
42:54
the spouse and like putting these clues together as Dawn's
43:01
on you Kaiser, so's like the end of Usual Suspects style.
43:04
You're just like, what the fuck? And then you like
43:07
go and reread the article that they wrote on it.
43:16
You read that ship. They're like, Noah, you don't need
43:18
to read that. You don't need to read that ship. Also,
43:21
you're like, hold up this character on Graze, that's the
43:24
ship that happened to me with the knee replacement and
43:26
the misdiagnosis that's in It's like Yeah, I told him
43:29
about you, baby, That's what I told him about. Something
43:31
feels funky here, like there more to this story. Yeah,
43:35
That's why I think is odd because the idea that
43:38
you're publishing multiple essays, like all the articles say like
43:42
she's been very vocal about her experiences. So that's why
43:45
I'm like, what, how like is this something? Is this
43:50
more of a divorce? And then their people are weaponizing
43:53
different facts against each other all to say messy place.
43:57
But it's just yeah, it feels very early in the
44:00
story for the Hollywood reporter to be reporting it, to
44:03
be honest, because it's like they just were replaced. They
44:07
were just placed on ministry of leave to pending the investigation.
44:12
And it is a story based on around an acrimonious divorce,
44:17
which those are always real tricky. Yeah. Well, and also
44:21
like it's an issue with medical records, so it is
44:24
going to be very difficult for them to do a
44:27
full investigation because you can't just say, like give us
44:31
all your medical records. Those are private. That's a real
44:34
hipo violration, right. But we did want to I did
44:37
want to talk about it because I feel like this
44:39
is something like have you guys ever had somebody who
44:44
you knew through like an online community who had a
44:48
like big medical drama that turned out to not be true.
44:52
Is that ever happened to you. Oh, I've seen from
44:55
a far like people lie about like a thing, but
44:59
never like person only where I'm like, damn, I can't
45:01
believe they lied about all that ship. I mean, I
45:03
feel like it's a story we see a lot or
45:05
on Twitter. I feel like random fandoms will be like
45:08
this guy lied about all like everything, Like okay, yeah, yeah,
45:12
that happened back at cracked as pretty wild. Yeah yeah, yeah. No.
45:18
I don't think I've ever been in that specific experience.
45:21
I have been a part of a lot of large
45:24
online groups where people have lied about stuff, but never
45:27
like health stuff, usually financial stuff. And I was in
45:31
this big Facebook group in l A called Girls Night
45:34
Out and it's like the worst kept secret Facebook group
45:37
in the world and it's for women. It's that like
45:39
twenty thousand members, and one of the main leaders of
45:42
that group she ended up getting ousted because she was
45:46
like in June, she was getting donations from people on
45:50
Venmo and she said that she was going to be
45:52
like redistributing them to women of color. And then people
45:56
were like, show us the receipts and she's like, oh,
45:59
I will. And then some hours for these receipts and
46:03
materialized and they had just been purchased, like it was
46:07
like she had just sent the money. There was some
46:08
shady financial stuff going on. And she had also said
46:12
that she wanted like money for new protests sneakers, and
46:14
people were like, you can get your own sneakers, sneak.
46:20
Big swing there, I need new protests sneakers. Yeah, that's
46:25
like wow, bless them, bless all of them. All right,
46:30
let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
46:33
about some other stuff. And we're back, and n f
46:47
T s continue to be a thing. So Pepe, Peppe
46:53
the Frog is back in the news. The Pepe n
46:56
f T so JM. I writer, but put it, Combining
47:00
Pepe the Frog with n f T S is like
47:02
putting ax body spray on dean cane. It's like putting,
47:07
you know, a garbage scented hat on top of another
47:11
garbage scented heat. Yeah. I thought I thought that was apt. Okay, sure, Pepe,
47:17
because I'm sure the artist loves that. M hmm, Well
47:20
so the artist, So they had these things called sad
47:23
frogs that were issued like at the earlier in the
47:29
n f T thing, I guess last August, and they
47:32
looked suspiciously like Peppe, and they had made four million
47:38
dollars from a median price of four dred and fifty
47:41
dollars per sad frog. And Pepe's creator, who has been
47:48
you know, heralded for taking white supremacist to court to
47:51
reclaim his character, got got the sad frogs taken down
47:55
and was made right, yeah, and then they came back
48:00
at him and claimed, you know, will like issued a
48:03
counter suit. But then like the main thing they did
48:06
was they issued a counter notice, didn't include a mailing address,
48:10
and signed it Vladimir Vladimirovitch, which happens to be the
48:14
first and middle name of Vladimir Putin. And so that's
48:19
I don't know, who knows if they're just trying to
48:22
like posture like there intimidating or something. But as we're
48:27
going to talk to talk about, like there is a
48:30
real tendency for these n f T s. Once the
48:33
money and the value goes unregulated at all of a
48:36
sudden starts trickling to the right for some reason, but
48:40
also so the last we had heard of the guy
48:43
who originally drew Pepe, he was like kind of this
48:46
hero who's like getting the frog taken away from the
48:49
white supremacist. But now he is like getting into the
48:52
n f T business, auctioning off an early Pepe a
48:54
cartoon for around one million dollars, launched a d A
48:59
O so limited edition, and f T tokens for as
49:02
much as twenty dollars, a piece which garnered criticism because
49:07
people were like, well, who do you think is buying those? Man?
49:10
Like who what? What community do you think is funding
49:14
your community fund? Right? And then things took an even
49:18
weirder turn when he auctioned off an image that's in
49:22
the document that we all can have the pleasure of
49:25
looking at. That is a nude Pepe next to a waterfall.
49:29
I'm not going to look at that. Yeah, right now,
49:32
you're good. But a dummy thing. Yeah he kind of has.
49:37
Now I'm going to look at it. I mean it's
49:41
Pepe is arching that back. Oh here's my question, is
49:47
that that image that we just looked at with the
49:49
waterfall and the Pepe, that's that is an m f
49:51
T that exists it is a one of one hundred.
49:56
So the plan was they were going to auction one
49:58
off that was the one that would be individually owned,
50:01
right n f T s of the same image, so
50:05
just you know jpeg. But then because we have it,
50:09
we have it for free right now. Yeah, I don't
50:11
get I believe we have it in our Google doc
50:13
right now. Hopefully the n f T please don't like
50:16
break down our door, but we'll delete it later, right yeah,
50:21
I promise, we promise we'll delete it. And yeah, that's
50:24
the thing that I don't get about n f T s.
50:26
Like I I understand. I know what an n f
50:29
T is. I know that it's ins for non fungible token.
50:33
I get that you are the certified owner of a
50:36
piece of art. But like, I don't understand n f
50:40
T s. I don't understand why they are big and
50:45
why I can't just copy paste the jpeg, Like I
50:49
know that it's stealing, but I can do that, So,
50:52
like why why is the value so high? It's like
50:55
it's all these things, Like there's like in right now,
50:57
there's this company called Socios which is trying to get
50:59
sock or fans to buy things called fan tokens where
51:02
they're trying to be like, and this is you like
51:03
giving access to your favorite soccer club by buying a
51:07
fan token. You can trade them with other ones and
51:09
they have value. All it is. It's really just trying
51:11
to normalize people getting using crypto. That's really what the
51:16
that's the underlying thing about n f t s are
51:18
it's like, well, ship and not enough people give a
51:20
funk about investing in crypto. What if we start saying
51:23
these little pictures you can buy that's an investment now,
51:26
And that's a way to get people to start saying like, oh,
51:29
well it's this much ethereum or this much bitcoin or whatever,
51:32
and it's a gateway into sort of understanding crypto better,
51:35
just to bring more people into the crypto crypto bubble basically,
51:39
and you have things that make it sort of appealing
51:42
where it's like, well, you might not care about crypto,
51:44
but what if you bought this fan token for Manchester
51:47
United and now you've you've used a little bit of crypto,
51:50
you're understanding, Oh, I can sell this to someone else.
51:53
But again, all of these n f t s rely
51:55
on the idea that you don't have ship unless you
51:58
find somebody who's willing to ay more than you did
52:01
for the ship that you have because it's not a
52:03
tangible good or service. So you're relying on like this,
52:07
this like hype market to keep ship going in and
52:10
keep your ship profitable. And I think that's like what
52:12
I think a lot of people, many you know they
52:15
call null coiners who are like big crypto skeptics. Is
52:18
is big crypto people call them are just pointing the
52:21
fact is like this gives you nothing, This is like
52:23
this is regulative investment. Yeah, And you know, again, I
52:30
think for all the reasons why people say it could
52:32
work decentralized, you know, like it's not tied to a
52:35
central like a government like federal agency or something like that,
52:39
all you see are the bad instances of it, or
52:42
that they're just many bad actors who are scamming and
52:45
using it to potentially, you know, hide ill gotten gains,
52:48
and you're only seeing the bad elements of it now,
52:50
and most people like, yeah, can you can see the potential,
52:53
But what we have right now is not it's potential.
52:55
We're seeing the worst of it. And you know, markets
52:58
can be controlled by put aventually a few hands, like
53:01
a small handful of people that were not really aware
53:03
of because we don't know who owns most of the ship. Also,
53:06
it's really bad for the environment. That's the I remember
53:11
I told my mom because my mom was talking about, Oh,
53:13
I'm going to do this project with somebody and it's
53:15
going to be an n f T and I was like, Okay, Mom,
53:18
I don't think you know this, so I'm just telling
53:20
you n f T s are actually really bad for
53:22
the environment. I could hear her brain working. She's like,
53:24
I don't understand. It's not a thing I can touch.
53:28
So how is it bad for the environment Because all
53:31
these people minting coins are mining coins all that energy
53:34
that it takes, and that's the other thing. And now
53:36
you have the other part is where two people are
53:38
just making their own coins because just basically just redistribute wealth,
53:42
being like, hey, I got my dummy followers to pay
53:45
a bunch of money for a coin that isn't gonna
53:46
be worth ship. But guess what now I have all
53:48
the fucking money. All right, It's worked out for me.
53:52
So the way I worked with this Fury guy who
53:54
originally drew Pepe, he drew this made a hundred of
53:58
these n f t s of Naked Pepe said, I'm
54:01
only releasing one that one person paid five hundred thousand
54:05
dollars for that, and then you could scamp two kids
54:09
into UFC for five dollars exactly. And then the doll
54:14
later released forty six of f t s for free.
54:18
So now the auction winner is suing Fury, claiming that
54:22
the free n f t s have diminished the value
54:24
of his n f T and like, but this is
54:27
this is the thing with and then it's like, but
54:30
the whole point of this is that it's unregulated, and
54:33
so it makes it very complicated. And and again, just
54:36
to reiterate the thing allegedly being devalued, here is an
54:39
erotic jpeg of racism's cartoon mascot. But like, on a
54:43
broader scale, there's this article in Jacobin about how you know,
54:48
because one of the design features of crypto and n
54:51
f t s and all bitcoin is that like it's
54:54
not something that can be regulated. It's not something that
54:58
is regulated basically, and like that's something that sounds great
55:02
because we're like, well, the like big banks are like
55:06
have all this power and determine like who gets to
55:09
borrow money, and like there's all sorts of funked up
55:12
ship that happens when you get big, powerful institutions involved
55:16
with money, and the idea is like we get we
55:19
this gets things outside of those like outside of the
55:22
hands of the existing power players. Is like one of
55:26
the pitches on on crypto. I mean, but like public
55:30
banks are also a thing that would actually benefit the
55:33
people to vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't about community banking now, no, no, no,
55:39
no crypto, metaverse, metaverse, real estate made the computer and
55:47
so old. Whenever somebody talks about anything related to Web three,
55:50
I was just like, I didn't know. I didn't even
55:52
know we were on Web two. I thought we all
55:54
had one webbing one web. Well, well that's how I feel,
56:02
you know what I mean. But I think that's a
56:05
design feature to make people feel old and dumb because
56:09
it like doesn't make sense, but it gets like it
56:13
gets people investing because there is this one sort of
56:18
value proposition, which is it's unregulated and it like has
56:22
a token that is not going to be replicated, so
56:26
and that is yours. It's an Internet like based or
56:29
a digital based token like, so that is the thing.
56:33
But then it's surrounded by all these like clouds and
56:36
clouds of intricate market dynamics that are just the same
56:43
as the other market dynamics that make banking like you know, lopsided.
56:48
And also the other issue is like if you've ever
56:52
been on a forum that's not moderated, like sounds great
56:57
in theory, we can say whatever we want get in there,
57:00
it's almost always nazis. Almost always nazis just almost always
57:06
a very hostile place for anyone who is not like
57:12
just a brutal, like misogynist. And hope for the future
57:16
is that we get unregulated message boards where it's all
57:19
people sharing like bread recipes like that. That's what I want.
57:24
I want that like happy like British bake off, unregulates board, right,
57:30
rather than nude peppi and racial slurs being blasted everything
57:35
like no thank you, just bread. So a lot of
57:39
the a lot of donations that are being made to
57:42
Ukraine right now are being made in crypto, and like,
57:46
again that seemed like in theory cool, in practice, that
57:50
actually makes it easier for Russian oligarchs to get their
57:53
hands on the money, since the entire point of crypto
57:56
is to be free from the sorts of regulations that
57:58
are being used to put them financially. And another detail
58:03
that I hadn't realized is that crypto is largely mined
58:07
in Russian border countries that are like former Soviet nations,
58:13
and there's a long history of the profits going to
58:19
right wing dictators or right wing you know, militias. The
58:24
profits go to them. The work is being extracted from
58:27
the people. And also the energy grids. There was I
58:31
think kazakhstand head like these massive uprisings because their energy
58:36
grid kept going down because of all of the crypto
58:39
being mined there, and like people died in those and
58:44
it's a hundred and sixty four people were killed falling
58:46
protested by the energy crisis in Kazakhstan. And that's of
58:52
the energy produced locally, mainly with coal, is used to
58:56
mind bitcoin. So it's like the people are having value
59:01
extracted from them in very dangerous ways and then it
59:05
ends up flowing to you know, like I I don't
59:10
think it's an accident that the like white supremacist Pepe
59:15
n f T people who got mad that they got
59:17
shut down signed their thing as Vladimir Vladimir Vich like
59:22
there it seems like, you know, the this article in
59:26
jack Ben, which will link off to, does a good
59:28
job of just outlining all the ways that history has
59:32
shown that crypto enthusiasts tend to support. They they say
59:36
TikTok despots and the things go to the right generally
59:42
ISIS operations have been fund to Taliban and Afghanistan, uh
59:46
tyrannical president and now style the door in Ethiopia, Kazakhstan
59:52
and Putin like a Putin wingman from Belarus has also
59:56
been Yeah, it has also been calling on his countrymend
59:59
to my bitcoin for economic development. Again though like very old,
1:00:05
very funny that you mean, I'm just like, practically, how
1:00:08
do you get that money? Like if I send if
1:00:11
I send money to Ukraine for people to seek refuge,
1:00:16
what are they doing with that money? How are they
1:00:18
getting actual money that they can spend on things like
1:00:20
I don't know, bread, a thing that I'm obsessed with today. Apparently, Yeah,
1:00:26
I mean they mine the coins and then I think,
1:00:30
you know that coin has value, but they're usually mining
1:00:34
it for someone and nobody. But I'm saying, if you're
1:00:37
sending it to another wallet, they can they can like
1:00:40
liquidate it so it turns to cash. It has cash value,
1:00:45
that's an exchange like on like coin base or these
1:00:48
other places. That's where you trade the that's where you
1:00:51
trade it, and that's why it's all. The other thing
1:00:53
though too is like even you know, they have said
1:00:56
that like bigger coin exchanges have followed like the sanctions,
1:01:00
so it's definitely not easy for oligarch to move like
1:01:03
tons of money because like big coins like big cooin
1:01:05
and in Ethereum or like public enough, they'd be like, whoa,
1:01:08
that's a massive amount of like funds moving around that
1:01:12
people would be able to see pretty clearly. But yeah,
1:01:15
it is. There's just all these things point to not great.
1:01:20
And also like when you even look at like board
1:01:22
the board ape thing we talked about how the person
1:01:24
who was designing those, a lot of extremist people who
1:01:28
are like very versed in semiotics are like, there's a
1:01:30
lot of like Nazi ship in this board a B
1:01:33
n F T and we're like no, no, And you know, meanwhile,
1:01:38
you have people like fucking Paris Hilton and Jimmy Fallon,
1:01:41
like you know, fucking for them as the crowd like
1:01:46
treats it like like they just revealed a puppy that
1:01:49
that is still the weirdest, like kind of crystallization of
1:01:55
the weird fucking moment that we're in culturally is. But
1:01:58
if you haven't seen it yet, just go watch Harris
1:02:01
Hilton on Fallon where they're revealing their board apes to
1:02:05
each other and the crowdy is like huh but then
1:02:09
trying to being encouraged to do. Yeah. There's just this
1:02:15
quote here though, I just want to read that kind
1:02:17
of sums it all up. Jackson Palmer, co creator of
1:02:20
doge coin, which is a top ten cryptocurrency, used to
1:02:24
be a joke now like literally a top ten cryptocurrency,
1:02:28
describes it this way, says, after years of studying it,
1:02:31
I believe that cryptocurrency is an inherently right wing, hyper
1:02:34
capitalistic technology built primarily to amplify the wealth of its
1:02:38
proponents through a combination of tax a woudance, diminished regulatory oversight,
1:02:43
and artificially enforced scarcity. Like I feel like that from
1:02:48
the dog's lips. Yeah, yeah, much scary, very capitalist. Yeah uh, well,
1:02:59
we can't top that. Karma has been such a pleasure
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O r A m A d R A m A.
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1:03:27
I did not write in any episodes on the original
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I Carley. I was a child when you were twelve.
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Is there a tweet or some other work of social
1:03:38
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1:03:44
your baby is crying. You just announced her weight to
1:03:47
a group of strangers. And I've never identified with something
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more as somebody who has had my weight and I
1:03:53
had stupid bush Rangers and then grade. It's top here.
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Now's a baby as an adult, right not Miles. Where
1:04:03
can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying?
1:04:06
Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles every Also
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how we heal ourselves with trash TV. Some tweets that
1:05:03
I like, let me see. Oh, Brandy Posey at Brand
1:05:09
Dazzle tweeted, my sixty nine year old dad just asked
1:05:11
me if I knew who Joe Logan was. I just
1:05:15
love that Joe Logan God love. Just a slight tweak
1:05:21
from an old boomer mind. And at the Library Louse tweeted,
1:05:25
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1:05:28
purposes of this conversation, yes, I'm fine. Spot on um
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Some tweets I've been enjoying. Somebody did one of those,
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like retweet in this thread, like the tweets that you
1:05:59
can't forget and got it. Just a bunch of great ones.
1:06:03
Leon from to Thousan fifteen Socrates, I'm wiser than this man.
1:06:09
He fancies he knows something although he knows nothing. Darryl
1:06:14
Socrates his friend, Fuck them up, Socrates, Socrates, you know
1:06:23
Socrates at a friend named Darryl. And then I'll just
1:06:27
go with this one. Victor Or Wine Trout from May
1:06:32
tweeted whispering to crying baby. You have no idea dark
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he matches up water no get enemy with this track
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1:07:48
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1:07:50
when I was in town and I was like, we're
1:07:53
not going to do that. Just for the record, Bronie
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