Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty three,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Turn Daily. Guys. It feels good to
Speaker 1: talk again. I hadn't spoken since I was left your
Speaker 1: valid silence. Yeah, this is well. The chords are a
Speaker 1: little creaky here, but this is still a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is still a podcast where we take a deep
Speaker 1: dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday, April eleventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. I can't be read. That's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: too far into the future. National Submarine Day, National eight
Speaker 1: track Day, National Cheese Fawn Due Day for my people
Speaker 1: stuck in nineteen eighty two, Get your fondue fountains ready.
Speaker 1: I've had fun duke. You have you ever had fon
Speaker 1: du I've had fund that it has been years. I
Speaker 1: feel like I had it in nineteen eighty nine, like
Speaker 1: when I was five years old, and I've never had
Speaker 1: it since. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people with their fund set the way and they just
Speaker 1: haven't haven't been back out. Hey. The cheese always seemed
Speaker 1: very like light and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that cheese was. I think it should if it
Speaker 1: had been caso. I think I would have been. That's
Speaker 1: our American fondue basically, Ko, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: without fund, without the like stainless steel skeewers and stuff
Speaker 1: to just dip pieces of branding. Right well, my name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien ak swollen thighs, swollen, sweet little thighs.
Speaker 1: That's just popped into my head right before we started recording,
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Gray. You know, let's just let's
Speaker 1: put the emphasis on Jack's return. I am he merely
Speaker 1: just I'm still the eight one eights Lord of lank Orsham.
Speaker 1: I am here with the geist child in the other room.
Speaker 1: Her Majesty has gone back to work, and you are
Speaker 1: going to begin to see or here Miles do the
Speaker 1: balancing act of newborn child in the other room while
Speaker 1: recording podcasts. Rocking the baby him one arm right now,
Speaker 1: shout out my mom, who who's came to hold him
Speaker 1: in and give him some food right now. But in
Speaker 1: upcoming episodes you may hear him in the fucking studio
Speaker 1: opened me, so prepare thyselves for that for his podcast debut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to the child. He has risen. He has risen. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're thrilled to be joined by a very funny creator, writer,
Speaker 1: performer who you've probably seen on TikTok. I was letting
Speaker 1: them know before we started recording that when I wrote
Speaker 1: TikTok into my notes app, it auto corrected to pick Tom.
Speaker 1: That's how frequently I am referencing and talking about TikTok.
Speaker 1: He's gone viral, talking about everything from performed mediocrity to
Speaker 1: the ratatusical. It's Woodland, Pierra Bell you, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you for having to have you. Great to have you,
Speaker 1: great to have you? Yeah, where are you coming to
Speaker 1: us from today? Um? We don't have to talk about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I I'm I'm the Lightland Oregon. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: shout out to the PDX. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: landed on that on that acronym, but it's my first
Speaker 1: time here. I'm I'm coming from New York to Portland
Speaker 1: for like two months working on some puking of some
Speaker 1: cool stuff. Okay, cool cool Yeax. Their airport, well why
Speaker 1: are they so? Do they know that other cities have
Speaker 1: airports because they're very proud of like just focused on
Speaker 1: their airport they Yeah, they call it the PDX. They had,
Speaker 1: like the Blazers had a uniform that was inspired by
Speaker 1: the carpet in the PDX airport. It's like such a
Speaker 1: big part of the culture, which I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I've been to the airport and it just it
Speaker 1: feels like an inadvertent time capsule, a little bit like
Speaker 1: when you when you when you land you know, when
Speaker 1: I landed on the the they got off the plane
Speaker 1: and everyone who I guess was a local when they
Speaker 1: were dismounting and they got into the airport, they touched
Speaker 1: the ground one time, they like Keyboater and did the
Speaker 1: sign of the cross. I just wanted to fit in,
Speaker 1: so I did it too. Yeah. Did you cross yourself too? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was really powerful. It was really powerful. Point up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I take a little bit of green carpet, cross yourself
Speaker 1: and then give it up to it. Must be pretty
Speaker 1: proud of the airport, Yeah, because I think the airport
Speaker 1: is PDX. But the PDX, like acronym whatever, has transcended
Speaker 1: into so many other things. It's like on trash cans
Speaker 1: and like graffitied everywhere. They're so excited about the airport,
Speaker 1: right it was good. It was good. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing I think like that I was reading. I was right, now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's the X come from. It's the same
Speaker 1: reason why we have lax lax Yeah, yeah, where it's
Speaker 1: just it's like a placehold. But it's apparently like a
Speaker 1: placeholder because P and D like first and last letter
Speaker 1: of it, and then is then they put X. They
Speaker 1: said this person said in the Night Seen forties, the
Speaker 1: i TA started assigning three letter codes after an increase
Speaker 1: in airports led to a shortage of two letter codes.
Speaker 1: Taking the National Weather Service symbol for a p D.
Speaker 1: They added to X several other episodes, air I said
Speaker 1: episode it's like I'm Australian or something. Several other airports
Speaker 1: also added X too, like Phoenix went to pH X
Speaker 1: not because of the X at the end of Phoenix
Speaker 1: and then don't use that example. Yeah, all right, reading
Speaker 1: that's funny because I was like, no, I mean it
Speaker 1: stands for international, because international of course has an X.
Speaker 1: And wait what what where where did my mind that
Speaker 1: you're criss crossing It's like you're criss crossing X. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: something like it's international like exoticism. There's something exotic about
Speaker 1: that he has a letter and yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it's like very yeah, very like like like nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: nine marketing. It's like pd X. I also just love
Speaker 1: how yeah. Like Rebecca's all in the check because used
Speaker 1: to live in Portland. She's like, it's so fun and
Speaker 1: it's every time I go. I always stopped by the
Speaker 1: Pendleton like Kiosk, and I'm like, do I buy the
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski dude sweater? This time? I'm in the Portland Airport.
Speaker 1: I always do this thing where I'm like, I'm like
Speaker 1: I look at it on the rack and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I might do that. Nope, Okay, I was definitely underselling
Speaker 1: the Portland Airport. There is a movie theater in the airport.
Speaker 1: I love that. I did see that, Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: were I watched The Big Lebowski. It was my first time,
Speaker 1: and they're like, please exit through the gift shop where
Speaker 1: you can buy the sweater you just saw. You're like,
Speaker 1: how American? All right, Whitland? Were you gonna get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the fun
Speaker 1: things we're talking about today. I just have a follow
Speaker 1: up on the Clarence Thomas story, the pro Publica story.
Speaker 1: But I know you guys talked about last week, but
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal came to weigh in on things.
Speaker 1: They basically nothing to see here the whole thing in
Speaker 1: a way that I thought was kind of funny. There's
Speaker 1: also emerging details about is his name Harlan Crow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is like coscripted better fucking rules. That is chef's kiss,
Speaker 1: best fictional name for that guy, just written in my reality.
Speaker 1: Well done. We're also going to talk about the No
Speaker 1: Labels Party because you know they're going for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're we're tired here on the Daily Zye guist of
Speaker 1: the extreme right and also the extreme like Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is their definition of the extreme left. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about what what their whole thing is
Speaker 1: because you're gonna be hearing more and more about the thing.
Speaker 1: So the No Labels Party, Yeah, it's not a front
Speaker 1: for corporate greed at all, just like labels, and we're
Speaker 1: using that to It's like the fun Boys, like I
Speaker 1: don't like to put a label on anything, but to
Speaker 1: try and like use trying to use that to get
Speaker 1: away with some shit. We don't put labels on anything
Speaker 1: like you sound like ethno nationalists. We don't like labels.
Speaker 1: We don't like labels. Actually, we're a group of concerned Americans.
Speaker 1: I think is a motion so funny that they went
Speaker 1: with no labels. Anyways, all that plenty more, But first withland,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history? So literally the first thing that that
Speaker 1: comes up, and I might be telling on myself and
Speaker 1: like in a bunch of different ways of lyrics too
Speaker 1: never too much by the band ros Oh yeah, never
Speaker 1: too much, never too much much. Yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a twenty minute roun. Yeah. Well, the dude, there's some
Speaker 1: slap basic rank rank on the fucking for all my
Speaker 1: music lovers out there. It's nasty, it's nasty. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah what what what the what did you get hung
Speaker 1: up on some of the lyrics? No? You know, first off, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are so many lyrics because he's right, he lived
Speaker 1: feeling like the deepest story in three verses, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, from the beginning to end of this romance.
Speaker 1: You know, I still remember all those days when I
Speaker 1: was scared to touch you. Like, whoa, where we where
Speaker 1: are we doing? Yeah? But uh this I'm in Portland
Speaker 1: doing a production of choir Boy, which is a played
Speaker 1: by Terrell McCraney, who's like the resident play red Eye
Speaker 1: Yale University, University of Yale. I'm I'm but a low
Speaker 1: life creature who knows not the formal name of the Yale.
Speaker 1: I just know it as Yale Yale. That's how you
Speaker 1: know your university's like really made. It is when it
Speaker 1: doesn't need a last name anymore. Yeah, Yale, like like Rihanna,
Speaker 1: like Prince, Like yeah, it was fenty because of the products.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's your last name, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm finding that I know. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, Ron, that makes sense there it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know he won the Oscar for
Speaker 1: Moonlight and so on. But he he is a brilliant
Speaker 1: play quote Choirboy that I saw twenty eighteen in New
Speaker 1: York and I've been able to do a couple of
Speaker 1: productions in the last year, so I'm importantly doing it now.
Speaker 1: And it's about music musically is at the center of
Speaker 1: the show. It's like it's a quote unquote play with
Speaker 1: music not a musical allegedly. Wait what is the difference there?
Speaker 1: I'm because I'm not. I don't know the nuances of
Speaker 1: something like, Oh, musicals have like they're structure in a
Speaker 1: really particular way. There's something called the Rogers and Hammers.
Speaker 1: Then structure that like comes from the nineteen forties and
Speaker 1: fifties and dramatatically when you're thinking about the structure of
Speaker 1: how these things are built, if you check a certain
Speaker 1: number of these boxes, then they'll be like, you're a musical.
Speaker 1: I guess. Also, whoever wrote it gets to the side.
Speaker 1: But the main tell is do you use song to
Speaker 1: compel blot or this song just happened because it's cool
Speaker 1: and we like song right right right? Like I think
Speaker 1: of that Norm McDonald s and l sketch where he's
Speaker 1: just the one person in the musical who doesn't know
Speaker 1: he's in a musical and everybody like breaks in a
Speaker 1: song and he's like, what the hell is the hell
Speaker 1: was that? Like that that doesn't have like the music
Speaker 1: when when people are singing, it's not it's the way
Speaker 1: people would sing in everyday life. It's not like they're
Speaker 1: just forwarding the plot. Oh yeah, like yeah, like they're
Speaker 1: like diagetic and non diagetic sounders. Yeah, and he's good
Speaker 1: where people are like our conscious that they're singing, because
Speaker 1: every musical now is like bringing you all of Tina
Speaker 1: Turners hit, you know, right in the in the in
Speaker 1: the studio. But yeah, like plays with music. Usually it's
Speaker 1: people who are like sit around the campfire and huh
Speaker 1: thing our old favorite song that Dad used to sing,
Speaker 1: something like that, I'm a shining so my guiding like
Speaker 1: my love fantasy. I never you know, you know him.
Speaker 1: I had to look up because I never knew. I
Speaker 1: always misheard love Fantasy. I was like your love and Tissy,
Speaker 1: I like, I couldn't the way he puts some you know,
Speaker 1: his own little funk on it. I was always miss
Speaker 1: hearing love Fantasy. I was like, am I love I again?
Speaker 1: I was hearing it through a child's ears until later
Speaker 1: on I was like miss like singing it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, let me know what I'm saying. I'm loud
Speaker 1: here loving that Tissy. Yeah, my love I know That's
Speaker 1: what I was like. I don't know, Luther, I'm nine
Speaker 1: my love fantasy. It also made me think. It also
Speaker 1: made me think, like in the way that this production
Speaker 1: anticipates that the Aunties will show up and like sing
Speaker 1: along and bran where I'm like, the whole bit is
Speaker 1: that I don't know the words in the context of
Speaker 1: the show, right in the way that they were like
Speaker 1: hoping these Aunties will show up and be like love
Speaker 1: fantasy right right right now. I'm like when I someday
Speaker 1: I'll go to a play and I'll be like a
Speaker 1: tornado pool around my room. You know what is gonna be.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you you no, no, no, thou yeah?
Speaker 1: Or do you not think so so hard? Yea? Thinking
Speaker 1: about forever? That song in an arenas Frank I should
Speaker 1: just puts the mic out for the part where he
Speaker 1: goes up like like, oh man, I love it. So
Speaker 1: you're performing. So there's a play you loved when you
Speaker 1: saw it and then now you're performing in it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like a really dopeful circle moment. I did it
Speaker 1: in New Haven and and uh, you know, Terrell m. Crani,
Speaker 1: the playwright, got to participate and was really present in
Speaker 1: the room like wrote new scenes and stuff. It was
Speaker 1: like a wow, really was like whoa, this is a
Speaker 1: lot of loops are closing right now. So it was brilliant.
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, that's cool. What is What's something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? Non chain restaurants? I think I think
Speaker 1: it's getting out of hand. PDX. You hear that, PDX
Speaker 1: because they don't have that. We don't care for your stuff.
Speaker 1: Sparrow spelled a different ways rabos. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I just especially in the context so and especially in
Speaker 1: the context of like you know, dating and like trying
Speaker 1: to get and this is gonna sound so awful, but
Speaker 1: I I want I'll start here. I want. On a
Speaker 1: road trip with my dad a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: and he like it doesn't eat a lot of red meat.
Speaker 1: You know, he's at that age where he's like, I
Speaker 1: can't eat this. I can't eat that, I can't eat this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, great, but it's just it was his
Speaker 1: birthday right, and I'm like orchestrated this whole thing. And
Speaker 1: he's like, I want to steak really bad, Okay, Like
Speaker 1: I just wanted good at steak. I'm like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get that ship. Yeah run yeah. So I'm I'm googling.
Speaker 1: We're in Chicago at the time. I'm googling. I'm like
Speaker 1: where's the best steak? Let me get it? Huh. We
Speaker 1: show up to this spot and when I tell you,
Speaker 1: they burned the steak and the vegetables were like shopped
Speaker 1: so pretentiously and like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: flame mignon, you know, and it's a non chain, so
Speaker 1: it's tasks, like you know what I mean, right right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, damn, I'm upset. I'm like, you want
Speaker 1: me to pay for this and I just like try
Speaker 1: to be yelled for views that he probably paid someone
Speaker 1: to do, you know who never would have done this
Speaker 1: to me, you know who never would have let me down.
Speaker 1: The Red Lobster out back, Yeah, red lobster. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything's on a fucking timer. Like it's so like they've
Speaker 1: completely taken out the humanity from cooking, like in those
Speaker 1: places that it's full proof where it's like yep, store
Speaker 1: it at this temp so you can only you know,
Speaker 1: put it at this side, this side, and then you
Speaker 1: get consistency. But I know, yeah, and I know that feeling.
Speaker 1: There are all these circumstances where it's like I actually
Speaker 1: need things to go to plan, like very specifically that
Speaker 1: I'm like, I look, I just met this person. I
Speaker 1: really can't fumble with the restaurant being awful, right, but
Speaker 1: I also can't take you to an Applebee's. And that's
Speaker 1: that's it's kidding. It's just so. I'm on Change. I'm
Speaker 1: on Google reviews yeah, all the time, and I'm so
Speaker 1: sick of them. Wow. Yeah, Well, especially to people who
Speaker 1: don't use pictures, I'm like to put a picture up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta see what you're dealing with. I think also
Speaker 1: to you know, great restaurant. I was Importland last time.
Speaker 1: Was there. I don't know if you've been there. It's
Speaker 1: like this Thaie restaurant where they also have like barbecue.
Speaker 1: It's like a few they have like a white brisket
Speaker 1: curry that was like it's unbelievable. Okay, I'll just say that.
Speaker 1: I just I got that tip from some Portlanders when
Speaker 1: I was out there. It's can I how many locations
Speaker 1: do they have? They got one? No, I'm good, Oh
Speaker 1: we're out. It was so good. There'd be so good.
Speaker 1: They should have seven locations. McDonald Is it as good
Speaker 1: as McDonald's. Yeah? Yeah. Becca Becca's on board. Yeah, Becca
Speaker 1: h I spend time here and like me and I
Speaker 1: will wait on the list. I actually am like I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to leave the couple of blocks radio so
Speaker 1: where I'm staying, and it is interesting, like Portland is
Speaker 1: actually really dope and you I've never lived in a
Speaker 1: place where you can look out the window and sea mountains,
Speaker 1: which is great. I'm from Florida. That shouldn't Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's all right, we'll get it. Okay, yeah, please do Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, I know we said you could you could
Speaker 1: swear on this, but that was a little bit yeah,
Speaker 1: content content, morning content when the come on, I'm from Florida.
Speaker 1: What is what something you think is under raged? Fallout
Speaker 1: Boy dropped down album fallout Boy, Yeah, fallout Boy. Okay,
Speaker 1: the new album is you know, it's good. It's that
Speaker 1: you know, but it just sent me back to you know.
Speaker 1: According to them, this new album is like a return
Speaker 1: to form, you know, kind of for their pre hiatus work.
Speaker 1: They're They're like, yeah, this is you know, this is
Speaker 1: the music that we would have made if we never
Speaker 1: took that break in like two thousand and nine or something, right, wow.
Speaker 1: And then I went back and I listened to the
Speaker 1: music pre hiatus, and I was like, this sound sounds
Speaker 1: crazy to see that Fall Up Boys underrated because I
Speaker 1: think they are one of the most commercially successful rock
Speaker 1: bands in like the history of the world, right, sure,
Speaker 1: but how they're esteemed in like the mainstream or you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, like you, I'm like, you should, I
Speaker 1: should see more of you. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: thanks for the memories and infinity on high. Like that's
Speaker 1: another band who I didn't know what the fuck they
Speaker 1: were saying. That's no, that's just valid, that's valid. Were
Speaker 1: going down. I was like, I used to be like
Speaker 1: I'm going dag like and I was like, I think
Speaker 1: that's what they're saying. Those are the words, right, it's
Speaker 1: down in an earlier round, And I was like, what
Speaker 1: I remember because her majesty, she like she was singing.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what the fuck are they saying?
Speaker 1: It's like god going down in earlier round and I'm
Speaker 1: going down swinging, And I was like, well she figured
Speaker 1: that out, No, she was. She was like a fan
Speaker 1: enough to know what the fuck the words were. But
Speaker 1: I'm more just going by like AMBI like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's in the background. I'm like, oh, it's that song dad,
Speaker 1: I used to this is this is something exaggerating. But
Speaker 1: I used to not like music very much, you know,
Speaker 1: as a child, you know what I mean. I guess
Speaker 1: I don't act, you don't know, all right, But I'm
Speaker 1: always I'm always like perplexed too when people like I've
Speaker 1: met one person who sincere was like, I really don't
Speaker 1: like music, and I remember it was like a date. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like on a date when I was like
Speaker 1: just getting out of college, and I was so confused.
Speaker 1: I was like, is this like a contrarian take or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they're like no, I just like, I mean, it's fine,
Speaker 1: but I just don't find myself like ever wanting to
Speaker 1: listen to me music. That's how I was until I
Speaker 1: was like seven, essentially, like I was like, yeah, music
Speaker 1: is cool, like other people like music, and I listen
Speaker 1: to their music, but I had no opinions. I'll say
Speaker 1: I had no opinions, and I go to my public library.
Speaker 1: Shout out to public library, save your public library. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I picked up this like blue out CD album
Speaker 1: off it and I just took it home and it
Speaker 1: was take this tier Grave, which is like fall up
Speaker 1: with like first or second like pull length album, right,
Speaker 1: And that shit changed my fucking life. I had no
Speaker 1: reason to feel the angst that they were trying, like
Speaker 1: trying to get through. But I felt it deep in
Speaker 1: my body, you know what I mean, in my bones.
Speaker 1: I did that ship was live right, And so I'm
Speaker 1: indocted deeply enough that now when people talk about not
Speaker 1: understanding the lyrics to Sugar, we're going down for relatability reasons.
Speaker 1: I agree, But I know every word. Oh I don't
Speaker 1: need a translator for Patrick something anymore. I understand. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the one. When I learned it.
Speaker 1: I bothered to know all those words because I always
Speaker 1: it was like one of those just like word salad
Speaker 1: things I just knew the sound of. And then then
Speaker 1: when I when I figured out loaded God complex, cock
Speaker 1: it and pull it was I know, I was like, whoa, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: loo God Complex, And I was like, okay, now that
Speaker 1: I can sing along. There's another song that they're that
Speaker 1: where fucking Pete wentz He says I love you in
Speaker 1: the same way. There's a chapel in a hospital. What yo,
Speaker 1: shut up, shut up? That's a bar people kidding me?
Speaker 1: Hey man? Like it was never so serious until he
Speaker 1: took it. There so this new album is like they're
Speaker 1: fully on the emo pop thing, like they're they're back
Speaker 1: in it basically, Yeah, you know they're they're you know,
Speaker 1: it's not they haven't taken it all the way back.
Speaker 1: I think that they're like crossed a commercial I don't
Speaker 1: want to say that they sold out. That sounds so
Speaker 1: annoying to say, but they are like sold out, man, No,
Speaker 1: but they they're older now, they've like crossed the commercial
Speaker 1: threshold and so like, you know, as much as they can, Like,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that this would have been their next
Speaker 1: step if in a in a multiverse where the hiatus
Speaker 1: didn't happen, right, But there's nothing like that last album
Speaker 1: right before they took a break while the Crazy Bangers
Speaker 1: and there, you know, they're just doing something's gonna pruse.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pruise that bad catalog though, Yeah, definitely, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be looking for other phrases that I want to
Speaker 1: get tattooed on my body, like which one view in
Speaker 1: the same way, there's a chapel in a hospital that
Speaker 1: is a tattoo. Dude, Oh could you get that on
Speaker 1: your throat? Really tight? Cursed flags? Yeah, like filigree around
Speaker 1: it to make it hard. Yeah, do you want to
Speaker 1: see mine? Oh yeah, let's see your throat. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got it. It's lower back. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Just
Speaker 1: let me pull up my waistband down a little bit
Speaker 1: so you can see it's right above the tailbone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lower back. Hella betica, yeah new because yeah, the deal.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a church steeple with snakes going around it,
Speaker 1: you know, a little little feature to go along around
Speaker 1: the words. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. Chime in,
Speaker 1: or someone do some photoshop with us with our fallout
Speaker 1: boi lyrics tattoos on our All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come back and talk about some news.
Speaker 1: And we're back. And so I know you guys talked
Speaker 1: about the Clarence Thomas were so much more though since then,
Speaker 1: So this conversation definitely has to continue. It's well, what
Speaker 1: a story. First of all, shout out to pro publica.
Speaker 1: So Wall Street Journal over the weekend came through and
Speaker 1: they dove into defend Clarence Thomas and the entire system
Speaker 1: that they believe in rich rich guy supremacy. I guess yea.
Speaker 1: And their defense was to describe the events, like while
Speaker 1: making a jerk off hand gesture like seems to be
Speaker 1: they're like, guy has a rich friend, so what then
Speaker 1: they just like quote big chunks of it and act
Speaker 1: like then what they described isn't just beyond the pale
Speaker 1: for someone who's on the highest court in the fucking
Speaker 1: way there the pieces loaded with words and phrases intended
Speaker 1: to convey that this is all somehow disreputable. Wait, this
Speaker 1: is this is from the from from and then they're
Speaker 1: quoting were from super yat, luxury trips, Exclusive California, all
Speaker 1: male retreat, sprawling ranch, private chefs lavishing the justice with gifts,
Speaker 1: and like none of those elaborate like a super yacht.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's probably like legally defined as like
Speaker 1: when you're selling your yacht, I'm sure there's like a
Speaker 1: designation of like super yacht that you have to or
Speaker 1: like a private chef is different from a non private chef.
Speaker 1: They're not. That's not a laic like over use of adjectives.
Speaker 1: That is what it is. And it's yeah, wow, when
Speaker 1: I when I was buying and then when I sold
Speaker 1: my first super yacht, yeah you tell us, that's why
Speaker 1: it was it was part of a brand sponsorship. It
Speaker 1: was like superto yeah, yeah, coming to clear Water, Florida
Speaker 1: this summer. Get your actually just superts now right right
Speaker 1: right exactly. It's easy for any person to have it.
Speaker 1: But I think, I mean, from watching below deck, I
Speaker 1: think it's like seventy like eighty feet or something is
Speaker 1: when it's super yacht. I'm sure the mega yachts like
Speaker 1: beyond that, but whatever. Either way, they like just saying
Speaker 1: seeing that he took him on a yacht trip and
Speaker 1: more like and it's big, so we're gonna call it
Speaker 1: a super yeah, yeah, like that's what it is. It's
Speaker 1: like so you can understand what the context is like,
Speaker 1: Claiming a private chef is like whoa guys lay off.
Speaker 1: It feels like it is written by people who are like,
Speaker 1: I don't like to think of him as my private chef.
Speaker 1: He's really part of the family who does not eat
Speaker 1: with us on the property. He does not eat with us,
Speaker 1: eye contact with us. But the fuck are you looking at? Mark? Though?
Speaker 1: It's yeah and yeah. Based on the previous owners. When
Speaker 1: we bought this plantation, we found out that the shock
Speaker 1: that he actually stays in for some of the other
Speaker 1: helpers previously. It's really it's just very whimsical, and it
Speaker 1: used to be a great people who have been in
Speaker 1: the very quaint, very quaint. He loves it. And they
Speaker 1: also come in and say that he technically like doesn't
Speaker 1: have to disclose any of this ship, which like that,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, okay, but like, their whole article seems to
Speaker 1: be based on the premise that people don't have a
Speaker 1: right to know that he hangs out with a guy
Speaker 1: who collects Hitler memorabilia. We'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: But like and takes him on massive trips and has
Speaker 1: like a very clear political bent that is sending him
Speaker 1: in a or that happens to coincide with this wild
Speaker 1: direction that has sent American a very anti democratic direction.
Speaker 1: Like and this like self described like balls and Strikes
Speaker 1: philosophical instrument is actually made up of, you know, people
Speaker 1: who are being courted constantly by people with like very
Speaker 1: extreme right wing political opinions like that that feels like
Speaker 1: relevant information. I don't give a fucking like they've gotten
Speaker 1: to Congress enough that like, well, technically they don't need
Speaker 1: to mention it. It's still I'm glad I know it.
Speaker 1: You know I always suspected it, but I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I now have the ability to know it. And the
Speaker 1: fact that the Wall Street journals like this is their
Speaker 1: editorial board. This isn't This isn't like some opinion columnists
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal like speaking with their full chest
Speaker 1: being like, get out of here. This is adjectival overkill,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to, you know, make something, make a
Speaker 1: mole hill out of or a mental Nazi memori artifacts.
Speaker 1: So even the Pro Public article I don't think even
Speaker 1: mentioned this, but no, Harlan Crow's house is full of
Speaker 1: Hitler art, like art made by Hitler. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: important to note that it's hanging on a wall next
Speaker 1: to like a Norman Rockwell paint. Yeah. He's even got
Speaker 1: like check out my teapot. Look it's got a and
Speaker 1: h on it. Guess whose it was? Like, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have Hitler's fucking like private teapot. And you're like, just uh,
Speaker 1: just for I'm just into history. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: stealth Nazi. I mean, not to play Double's advocate here,
Speaker 1: but like, are they errooms? Are they like family? You
Speaker 1: know that? Right? Was it his grandfather's I mean, like
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Maybe his people were there, right, did he
Speaker 1: storm the Eagles nest and and and get that? And
Speaker 1: maybe that's his to have I don't know, or he
Speaker 1: oh he bought it at auction? Oh yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: has the next yeah, like a Norman Rockwell and also
Speaker 1: like a George Bush painting, like George W. Bush, which
Speaker 1: like the reason I'm assuming he's not putting those up
Speaker 1: next to each other to make a point about George Bush,
Speaker 1: Like he's not being like, yeah Bush did nine to eleven?
Speaker 1: Am I right? Folks, He's probably up here being like
Speaker 1: he's like he did that shit, yeah, look at it.
Speaker 1: That's how he's he's picking it up. You know. He
Speaker 1: also has sitting bulls death mask? Does he's the one
Speaker 1: who has sitting bulls death masks? Yeah? I remember when
Speaker 1: like some rich conservative billionaire got that. Yeah he has it.
Speaker 1: He's the one who has it. Wow. And they're like, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe that the Lakota people should have that. But there's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: out I got this too, bro. Like he's he's got
Speaker 1: it all, like any fucking thing you would be like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, this is Red Flag City. He's got it all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He has a whole garden of sculptures of like the
Speaker 1: worst dictators of all time, and the morning News, Like
Speaker 1: a reporter from the Dallas Morning News visited and we're like, hey,
Speaker 1: what what what? What's your deal with all the Nazi stuff?
Speaker 1: Like asked the question that any human being would be, like,
Speaker 1: what's what's up with all the Hitler stuff? Sorry? A
Speaker 1: signed copy of Mind comp is one of the things
Speaker 1: that he has just worth noting, signed by I believe
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler. I believe you could have said an author
Speaker 1: signed copy of a German Okay, maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe Obama signed. I don't know, right, he would say that,
Speaker 1: he's like, it's actually Obama signed it. So where zero
Speaker 1: If this reporter came in like crows like this, you know, famously,
Speaker 1: everyone's like what perfect Southern gentleman. But when you ask
Speaker 1: about the Nazi art, he gets visibly uncomfortable and doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't have much to say on that subject, which is interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's got it there for all to see. It
Speaker 1: is wild. How Like there's like this one conservative opinion
Speaker 1: writer who like, when I think Patriot takes was like
Speaker 1: tweeting out images of his like Garden of Evil that
Speaker 1: has like Stalin and other people and shit in it
Speaker 1: that this guy comes in and he said, it's not
Speaker 1: a tribute to evil or something to be mocked. It's
Speaker 1: an attempt to commemorate the horrors of the twentieth century
Speaker 1: in the spirit of never Again. Harlan Crowe is a
Speaker 1: deeply horrible, decent and patriotic person. He's not the straw
Speaker 1: man Thomas Hayters are trying to make him right, right, right,
Speaker 1: never again. But unless you come here and you can
Speaker 1: look at it again and again right, rather than like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they mean by that. I mean
Speaker 1: I understand that we always use that in like terms
Speaker 1: like of like you know, you know, the Holocaust is
Speaker 1: like the most famous one that we think about, especially
Speaker 1: in the US, or something like that, or we do
Speaker 1: like never forget. But it's like so hollow, especially when
Speaker 1: you put it all together with like his political bend,
Speaker 1: his love of Nazi stuff, which I don't think there's
Speaker 1: ever been a person who unless you're like in charge
Speaker 1: of a historical collection for a museum, right, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you collect Nazi stuff. And it's not because
Speaker 1: on some level you're like romanticizing it and because you're like,
Speaker 1: I love these little treasures from this time I wish
Speaker 1: I was living in I mean, especially like like when
Speaker 1: you you pair that with like the hyper exclusivity that
Speaker 1: you know that a man like this like keeps in
Speaker 1: terms of who has access to seeing these things and
Speaker 1: is invited into his private spaces and who's intimately like
Speaker 1: related to him enough to to see them. There's like
Speaker 1: a valor in the way that he's displaying them. All
Speaker 1: these pictures like that, the pictures of the Hitler merch
Speaker 1: it looks like I mean, it's like not on display.
Speaker 1: It's like it looked like something he brought out of
Speaker 1: a briefcase because you because you you know, he made
Speaker 1: a joke. He really liked that his dinner party or
Speaker 1: something like that, right right, He's like, what you're cool?
Speaker 1: You want to see cool? Ye see something? No? Yeah, here,
Speaker 1: pull on the fourteenth tooth of this skull. That's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this crap. Uh, let me just put in the code
Speaker 1: from my vault here one four eight eight Okay, great,
Speaker 1: click open? Can we cut that out? I know. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I'm like, really it's surprising, though, Two,
Speaker 1: how little the Democrats are doing to be like this,
Speaker 1: like we have to do everything. We can't obviously there's
Speaker 1: no way they can impeach them because they don't have
Speaker 1: the fucking votes for that, But like to just sit
Speaker 1: when one person was like, I don't know if the
Speaker 1: American people have an appetite for another Supreme Court controversy,
Speaker 1: and that's why I will just like sit on it.
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, wow, wow, Brent Havanaugh thing caught well
Speaker 1: counted against us. That's what application of that is that
Speaker 1: we were that that's our fault and we the people
Speaker 1: are mad that they had to be dragged through it,
Speaker 1: and yeah they I mean, yeah, I know you skipped
Speaker 1: over a Yeah, I mean that was another just right
Speaker 1: through the door. But I think it's it's it is
Speaker 1: really something that has to be like uttered over and
Speaker 1: over again, because between this and Jimmy Thomas, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the fuck on, these people are so fucking flagrant. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, And I think that's part of his
Speaker 1: little way of feeling like like you can't take me down.
Speaker 1: You tried to do that at my confirmation and fuck you,
Speaker 1: like I'm just on my own shit, like I'm I
Speaker 1: think he just feels he's invincible. And now when you
Speaker 1: have the backing of people like this and like you're
Speaker 1: chumming it up with like Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society,
Speaker 1: you're like, come on, like you're seeing them all hang
Speaker 1: out in the fucking like evil doers layer together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but of course, and like how a lot of conservatives
Speaker 1: will do, Like I'm just seeing some friends hanging out
Speaker 1: on a on a fishing trip and you're like, these
Speaker 1: are the architects of our judicial fuckery. Yeah, getting together,
Speaker 1: Like again, they love to take this is like the
Speaker 1: new thing that I'm seeing a lot of. It's not
Speaker 1: just not just as with the Clarence Thomas thing, a
Speaker 1: lot of like oh so what he did, like it
Speaker 1: was a paperwork error for like Trump's indictment or something
Speaker 1: like that. It's all just trying to take everything out
Speaker 1: and just distill it down to a thing every person
Speaker 1: could relate to, you know, And yeah, it's yeah. It
Speaker 1: also it also makes me think of there are these uh,
Speaker 1: there're these like TikTok. I mean, it's it's so funny.
Speaker 1: They're the children. Man. I work on it a lot,
Speaker 1: so a little TikTok at the other hand, but I
Speaker 1: think it's so like every time I see what the
Speaker 1: kids are doing, I'm like, you're tapped into something crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're tapped into something incredibly brilliant,
Speaker 1: like immedically or like philosophically or something like. I think that.
Speaker 1: I just think it's really impressive the way that TikTok
Speaker 1: fosters community and encourages young children to like really process differently,
Speaker 1: you know the world and the way it's happening around them.
Speaker 1: But there are there's a trend where via this like
Speaker 1: AI voice modulator, you can take on the voices of
Speaker 1: different people. And so all of these videos have come
Speaker 1: out of like Donald Trump, Barack Obama, then Shapiro whatever,
Speaker 1: different political pundits that you would expect to be on
Speaker 1: opposite ends of the spectrum coming together and they're like
Speaker 1: they're like playing Minecraft together, or they're like debating a
Speaker 1: Pokemon tier list, you know, and and in a way
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is ridiculous. But also like the
Speaker 1: thing the great Unifier, there is a unifier amongst all
Speaker 1: of these men, Like there is something the way they're
Speaker 1: both invested in like imperial interests, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: in capitalist interest in preserving this union as it is,
Speaker 1: right right, there is a lot in common between Shapiro
Speaker 1: and Trump and Obama that would bring them together. That's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna happen Before I ever up on a Twitch
Speaker 1: stream with again Joe Biden. That's that's way more likely.
Speaker 1: Like they have a group chat. I'm never going to
Speaker 1: be in that group chat, you know. Now, I'm here
Speaker 1: with like my earliest area people, right, And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm like, parents, Thomas
Speaker 1: does super yacht with his buddies. I'm sure, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and his buddies collect to think Hitler was
Speaker 1: an underrated artist. They're like, god, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: you look at some of the brushwork, and but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point, Miles, like they want to get real
Speaker 1: up close and like question the grammar in the article
Speaker 1: pointing this shit out, and it's just like just take
Speaker 1: a take a step back, trying to take a historical
Speaker 1: view of this. And we have somebody who was a
Speaker 1: driving force behind doing a wildly anti democratic thing, an
Speaker 1: overturning Row and his wife tried to overthrow the last
Speaker 1: US presidential election, and he's hanging with a guy who
Speaker 1: collects Hitler and DICKT. Gerrard and like society, it's a
Speaker 1: very clear picture. I don't like, Yeah, I'm I might
Speaker 1: not know all the legalities or what's going to hold
Speaker 1: up in a fucking impeachment hearing, but I think, yeah, pretty,
Speaker 1: it's painting a pretty clear picture. It's like the same
Speaker 1: way you think of like how chummy Clinton was with
Speaker 1: like the finance industry. Yeah, and why Wall Street was
Speaker 1: deregulated on his on his watch, because he's just he's
Speaker 1: talking to the homies and he's like, oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: sounds like that. Okay, I might be able to do
Speaker 1: that for you. That's my that's something you get with
Speaker 1: access to me. And I actually agree on your worldview
Speaker 1: because I'd rather maintain the status quo that the richest
Speaker 1: people can extract as much capital out of wherever the
Speaker 1: fuck they want to until, you know, for as long
Speaker 1: as they'd like. Yeah. And in this sense, you know,
Speaker 1: all of these guys are getting together with their ideas
Speaker 1: about how to you know, restrict power and consolidate it
Speaker 1: in very small places and you know, have a real
Speaker 1: wonderful plutocracy formally. And I think, yeah, all of it
Speaker 1: together is definitely disconcerting, But I think with them, with
Speaker 1: like the Wall Street Journal and these other politicians, again,
Speaker 1: they know how bad it looks. So all they're doing
Speaker 1: is they're figuring out what's our response to this that
Speaker 1: is seemingly reasonable and gives people who take our takes
Speaker 1: open mouth uncritically that they can just start regurgitating out
Speaker 1: into the world and start saying, oh, so, what those
Speaker 1: are his friends? What do you want him to do?
Speaker 1: Not hang out with his friends? He can't have friends,
Speaker 1: And you're like, that's not what this is about. But
Speaker 1: way to just completely, you know, reconfigure what the actual
Speaker 1: point of outrage is, to just bring it down to
Speaker 1: something very simple. And it's also interesting too because they're doing,
Speaker 1: like we've talked about it, I've kept joking about in
Speaker 1: the context of them like deracializing, like the Rosa Park
Speaker 1: story in certain text books. It's like, yeah, they'd love
Speaker 1: to just make that also about a woman sat in
Speaker 1: a bus seat she shouldn't have, but because she was,
Speaker 1: because of who who she was, we won't even mention race.
Speaker 1: And then it all worked out and you're like, what
Speaker 1: is that story? Even at this point someone who was
Speaker 1: on a bus and you're like, yeah, moving on, that's
Speaker 1: all it was. That's a story about buses mainly, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can all agree on that. And a really rude
Speaker 1: man had nothing to do with segradation. This guy just
Speaker 1: or it's like, or this really rude woman who just
Speaker 1: wouldn't follow the rules, but that might be this she
Speaker 1: didn't actually, yeah, nothing came of that. Okay, we'll just
Speaker 1: leave it there. We don't know her name. You know,
Speaker 1: it makes me think of the already you haven't. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you haven't, as you're not children if you remember
Speaker 1: rainbow Fish. No, I'm old. Think. I was working in
Speaker 1: I was working in public schools for a while and
Speaker 1: was in with a kindergarten class and they were like,
Speaker 1: it's time. Usually our teacher reads us a book from
Speaker 1: the Sholf And I was like, ah shit, oh the
Speaker 1: book The Rainbow Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: yeah that. I was like, oh yeah, rainbow Fish hard, yeah,
Speaker 1: gets hard. So I pull it off and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm going to read this like really wholesome story of
Speaker 1: but it totally maybe reflect on like how these stories
Speaker 1: like so a political under they have a political underbelly, right,
Speaker 1: it's like, this fish has a beautiful rainbow scales, and
Speaker 1: the more of the stories that a wise octopus tells
Speaker 1: the rainbow fish, if you want to live peacefully amongst
Speaker 1: your community and belong there, you have to literally shed
Speaker 1: these rainbow scales off of your body and give one
Speaker 1: to each of your community members so that you can
Speaker 1: all homogenize. Otherwise you'll never belong here, they'll never accept you.
Speaker 1: And like the kids are like, I'm like, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think of that story? They're like, rainbow fish
Speaker 1: did the right thing by assimilating their autonomy to assimilate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, are you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We want to fit in and nothing else. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you think that she should have
Speaker 1: given the busy enough? It's like that's the story is
Speaker 1: going to be written, right right, very yeah. And then
Speaker 1: you because because you see how much like when you
Speaker 1: like look at these books that are supposedly outraging parents
Speaker 1: and stuff, they're all they're always the ones that are
Speaker 1: about like inclusivity, right, in equality, And then you know
Speaker 1: that's like I just don't I just don't want these
Speaker 1: messages talk to my kids because that you guys are
Speaker 1: getting them too early with these books and then start
Speaker 1: telling me that I'm being discriminatory or racist. What the
Speaker 1: fuck is happening? It's like, fuck you, Oh so so
Speaker 1: you thought you would go study early childhood development but
Speaker 1: you could get them jump on me, tuck you right,
Speaker 1: one of my kids out the charter right right home school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about why we don't like labels. Right, we're not trying
Speaker 1: to label anything, which I suspect Carlin Crowe is might so.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and you mentioned the Clintonian Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: which starting to think I can I can picture some
Speaker 1: candidates who might be a good fit for this no
Speaker 1: Labels party. But why don't you tell us what the
Speaker 1: what the no Labels political Party is and what what
Speaker 1: it means for twenty twenty four. Yeah, we've brought it
Speaker 1: up in the contact that like they announced it. They're like,
Speaker 1: there needs to be a unity ticket. We're like, get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of my face. You who you would? Okay,
Speaker 1: go over there and do that, but that's not what
Speaker 1: people are interested in anyway. So they're saying, like too,
Speaker 1: you were saying in the intro, they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we need an alternative for people that are fed up
Speaker 1: with the extreme right and extreme left. And really I
Speaker 1: just want to just before I, you know, get into it.
Speaker 1: It's really easy to look at it like this. They're
Speaker 1: a fucking front group for billionaires and other corporate interests.
Speaker 1: That's all this thing is. Then that they're using this
Speaker 1: fucking label like no labels thing to try and act
Speaker 1: like we're not here to cape for corporate interests. We're
Speaker 1: just trying to say, like, is there like a middle
Speaker 1: ground between like fascism and like affordable housing right there
Speaker 1: we can find can we do something like that? And
Speaker 1: right now the narrative that people are seeing is just
Speaker 1: like that they have seventy million dollars and they're merely
Speaker 1: just looking at the possibility of entering the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four race. But observers have began raising alarms that they're
Speaker 1: basically using loopholes to skirt campaign finance laws that would
Speaker 1: have them disclose who exactly is funding this bs A
Speaker 1: corporate interests without getting into like the wonky policy of
Speaker 1: it all. Essentially, what is going to happen is these
Speaker 1: wealthy people are going to pull their money together and
Speaker 1: then secretly pick a candidate that they feel will tow
Speaker 1: the line. And the loophole they're exploiting is they don't
Speaker 1: have to disclose any of their donors until they formally
Speaker 1: nominated a candidate. So it's not in controls of those
Speaker 1: laws about campaign finance and what gets to disclosed. Is
Speaker 1: that a Supreme Court, Yeah, they had a hand in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a few decisions a Citizens United might have helped up.
Speaker 1: But there's another decision in twenty ten that relates specifically
Speaker 1: to this loophole. But yeah, we know about dark money
Speaker 1: and how it fucking infiltrates everywhere, so it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be very very murky up until then. But if you're
Speaker 1: like it makes sense that people want an alternative, keep
Speaker 1: in mind that this group has been making it rain
Speaker 1: on corporate members of Congress since twenty ten. Recently, you
Speaker 1: probably saw their handiwork in the Joe Mansion in Kirsten
Speaker 1: Cinema doing fuck all and you know, standing in the
Speaker 1: way of nuking the filibuster. They were basically elevating them,
Speaker 1: spending money on like their reelections, doing whatever they can
Speaker 1: to support them, as well as Josh Gottheimer, who's another Democrat.
Speaker 1: Democrat who's in the problem Solver's Caucus, which again is
Speaker 1: just a loose assortment of corporate Democrats and Republicans who
Speaker 1: are just like, look, dude, we're here to just do
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you guys are asking us, and we'll
Speaker 1: do it, and under the guise of we're solving problems.
Speaker 1: But it's because we answer to the same people, which
Speaker 1: is our very wealthy benefactors. So anyway, this is like
Speaker 1: the thing that's getting really murky though, right, is that
Speaker 1: you know that a third party ticket in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four would most only benefit the GOP and No Labels
Speaker 1: doesn't even have like an articulated policy agenda yet or
Speaker 1: a platform. All their website says is vague shit about
Speaker 1: Americans not wanting these extremes and that it's for people
Speaker 1: that get that America isn't perfect, but it also isn't
Speaker 1: that bad. And so they've basically taken like the mob
Speaker 1: boss approach here and said that they won't run a
Speaker 1: ticket unless they feel that the parties are not coming
Speaker 1: close to addressing the quote issues that their quote supporters
Speaker 1: are passionate about. So it's basically like Hey, it hates
Speaker 1: to ruin an election here if you guys, don't you
Speaker 1: know me, soften this extremist shit and see what the
Speaker 1: fuck we can do to you know, help out the
Speaker 1: corporate interests even more so, like in in a more
Speaker 1: aggressive way rather than we already have between the two parties.
Speaker 1: But is this like so Andrew Yang tried the Forward
Speaker 1: Party right where he was trying to be like where
Speaker 1: we need to get rid of the far left and
Speaker 1: the far right and just move forward. That's the only
Speaker 1: direction I care about, and nobody there there was no
Speaker 1: support for it. So, I mean, it feels like the
Speaker 1: place that a force like this has had the most
Speaker 1: success operating is behind the scenes, right, Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: their proposal. They're they're going to keep operating from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, but just add a candidate to to the
Speaker 1: mix as a third party candidate. Or are they trying
Speaker 1: to like formally get something together where they're like this
Speaker 1: this is our like no labels, is no kind of
Speaker 1: edge sounding party. No, They're they're just there to fuck around, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, and like, like I've said, they've been doing
Speaker 1: this since twenty ten. Yeah, and you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think who was like in the beginnings of that,
Speaker 1: I think, like Michael Bloomberg, you know, just to have
Speaker 1: an idea of like the kinds of people that were
Speaker 1: like piling around with them. Essentially, what it is is
Speaker 1: no labels except look, we're here to fucking keep the
Speaker 1: status quo. That's really all it is, Like, we're not
Speaker 1: interested in anything that I think to them, the extremes
Speaker 1: are disrupting the status quo, especially as it relates to
Speaker 1: things like energy policy or the financial sector, or taxes
Speaker 1: and things like that, and that's why they've been, you know,
Speaker 1: slowly just pushing their influence since the last thirteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we've already seen what a no Labels party looks like,
Speaker 1: and it is the obstruction of Joe Mansion and cinema
Speaker 1: and all that shit. Yeah, it's like extremely frustrating for everybody. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're supposedly having like a convention, They're gonna have a
Speaker 1: nominating convention in April of twenty twenty four in Dallas.
Speaker 1: But again they're like we're you know, we're still we're
Speaker 1: still figuring it out. Because if they said they were
Speaker 1: going to do stuff more like disclosures would have to happen.
Speaker 1: So they're like playing this like fuck, They're walking this
Speaker 1: line of like being like, who, we got all this money,
Speaker 1: but you don't know where it's from, and we won't
Speaker 1: tell you, and we don't have to until we nominate someone,
Speaker 1: and then we only have to desert. We only have
Speaker 1: to disclose from that point forward, not retroactively. So it's
Speaker 1: very like murky in this way. You're like who who is?
Speaker 1: Like who the fuck like is really pushing all this?
Speaker 1: But when you look at the kinds of people that
Speaker 1: are like lining up, like Joe Lieberman and like Susan
Speaker 1: Collins and like these other people, you're like, oh, these
Speaker 1: people are just soul this like husks of like Congress
Speaker 1: people that are just there to do whatever that is
Speaker 1: asked of them from their donors. The Hunger Games author RNs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Suzanne Collins love her work. Yeah. And then also like
Speaker 1: some of the people that are like behind the scenes
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are like, oh, who's like
Speaker 1: the CEO, This woman Nancy Jacobsen. She was a main
Speaker 1: Clinton fundraiser and her husband also a Clinton campaign advisor.
Speaker 1: And then you just have like again like Joe Lieberman,
Speaker 1: who went from senator to fucking lobbyist, and like people
Speaker 1: like Susan Collins who talked many times like I don't
Speaker 1: think she knows. She just reads a script basically when
Speaker 1: she's out there, and yeah, that these are the kinds
Speaker 1: of people who are like might not be They're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're not really trying to do like ethno nationalism, but
Speaker 1: it's not going to affect us if that takes over
Speaker 1: as long as like the tax benefits are secured, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's when you can kind of see the real
Speaker 1: cynical nature of how this group is moving. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the real threat to them is the left. Is any
Speaker 1: sort of leftist policy. It's not the it's not the right.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's the bullshit smokescreen to act
Speaker 1: like they're they're truly somehow in the middle, when they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: if they fucking because if you think about the main
Speaker 1: things that they really wanted to affect, like even with
Speaker 1: the early Joe Biden like agenda, it's like voting rights,
Speaker 1: you know, things to do with like our energy mix
Speaker 1: and like climate change, then yeah, why would you want
Speaker 1: to have like fairer elections if you know all the
Speaker 1: analysis that tells all these CEOs and people that it's
Speaker 1: like the numbers are shrinking for this kind of shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we got to figure out how to stay like
Speaker 1: because there's too many poor people that are starting to
Speaker 1: figure out that we're the ones making it the problem. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see, like what policies passed by
Speaker 1: the trumb administration they actually object to, you know, right,
Speaker 1: what legislation would Yeah, they love those, they love those
Speaker 1: tax cuts. Yeah, I'll tell you them. But it also
Speaker 1: uh Jack, I mean I think I think the bit
Speaker 1: that you gave about about like a toxic boyfriend or something,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess not boyfriend is no labels like yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you a thing. It's like it's like one
Speaker 1: of those each other, so diminishing. It actually reduces down
Speaker 1: what we actually are. Yeah, what we are is that
Speaker 1: like I love you in the same way. There's a
Speaker 1: chapel in a hospital. That's how that might be a
Speaker 1: terrible thing to tell someone, you know where This is
Speaker 1: definitely a weapon that is going to be used on
Speaker 1: dating apps or probably has been for years. But I
Speaker 1: think I think it just gets the jump on like whatever,
Speaker 1: like the hypocrisy allegations like you just have no there's
Speaker 1: no obligation to consistency, and so you can absolutely just
Speaker 1: cherry pick and pick and choose if there is a
Speaker 1: democratic or whatever policy that comes up that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: actually that might that might be great for us, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: You're just you're it's so undernose in the way that
Speaker 1: it's finding they're finding themselves to manipulate, in the way
Speaker 1: that our boyfriend partner something like it's an entanglement, an entanglement,
Speaker 1: an entanglement. Yeah. In the same way that there's no
Speaker 1: writer good enough to come up with the name Hardling Crowe,
Speaker 1: there is no satirist good enough to come up with
Speaker 1: a party that is the labels Party. That's just like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, yeah, I don't I don't like labels.
Speaker 1: Just to give you like an idea, like on their website,
Speaker 1: like what they're saying, there's like one tab that's a
Speaker 1: insurance policy twenty twenty four and they're saying no labels
Speaker 1: is ensuring working to ensure Americans have the choice to
Speaker 1: vote for a president will take it that features strong,
Speaker 1: effective and honest leaders. Will commit to working closely with
Speaker 1: both parties to find common sense solutions to America's biggest problems.
Speaker 1: Our strategy, we are preparing for the possibility of nominating candidate,
Speaker 1: we have not yet committed to do so. We will
Speaker 1: aren't only under the proper environmental conditions which must be
Speaker 1: met for us to proceed. Like you see how there
Speaker 1: are being like here comes the blade, the guillotine blades. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's only gonna come down with the right environmental fucking conditions.
Speaker 1: And then they go on to say our project will
Speaker 1: proceed down one of two paths. The first, the major
Speaker 1: parties wake up, they see the growing voice and leverage
Speaker 1: of the common sense majority that doesn't exist, and nominate
Speaker 1: candidates and release policy platforms that cater to the needs
Speaker 1: of this majority instead of the wants of a partisan minority.
Speaker 1: If at least one of the major parties does this,
Speaker 1: there's no need or path for an independent unity ticket
Speaker 1: and no labels will stand down and double down on
Speaker 1: the great work we've done been doing in Congress. Or
Speaker 1: both parties keep forcing the American people down a road
Speaker 1: they don't want to go and nominate candidates. Most Americans
Speaker 1: don't want to vote for If this happens and No
Speaker 1: Labels polling in the research show there is about the
Speaker 1: victory for a Unity ticket to win the electoral college,
Speaker 1: then we will offer our ballot line to a ticket yep.
Speaker 1: And that ballot line again is being purchased loopholes. That's
Speaker 1: why they have access. Is allergious something to think about.
Speaker 1: Y yeah, it's it's really wild too, Like the website is.
Speaker 1: It's done in a way that's really unsettling because for
Speaker 1: the amount of money that goes in, like they're using
Speaker 1: impact funt like in certain parts and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: this looks like a fucking like science Fair slideshow I
Speaker 1: made like in eighth grade. But it's like, no one
Speaker 1: has ever built an infrastructure for an independent like No
Speaker 1: Labels is building for twenty twenty four in that you're
Speaker 1: buying as much as you can like in terms of
Speaker 1: you know, setting up this infrastructure. So anyway, they apparently
Speaker 1: think that there's no Sich thing as a spoiler candidate
Speaker 1: and it's all good and this is actually what the
Speaker 1: people want. So I think if you look at polling,
Speaker 1: most people are look like, I don't know, y'all gonna
Speaker 1: tackle inflation or affordable housing or you know, wage wage stagnation.
Speaker 1: Are those are those things on your platform or is
Speaker 1: it gonna be like what we got to work with
Speaker 1: both sides here, meaning us the billionaires and you the workers.
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about or I often say that America,
Speaker 1: like if America is a human body, it is allergic
Speaker 1: to like socialism and socialist ideals. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the first times I've started thinking about that was
Speaker 1: when we were talking about like, but clearly they just
Speaker 1: need like a third party candidate to the left of
Speaker 1: Biden to like force them to the left, and just
Speaker 1: knowing that like that could never happen, and of course
Speaker 1: the alternative happens that yeah, it's a candidate to Biden's right,
Speaker 1: right right is trying to pull them further right because
Speaker 1: that's where the money is. This kind of goes along
Speaker 1: with like our predictions for this year that we're going
Speaker 1: to see the billionaire clapback of calling people who are
Speaker 1: looking like that called them out is like haters. And
Speaker 1: now they're trying to make like they're trying to formalize
Speaker 1: their power by being like, well, we can just start
Speaker 1: kingmaking outside of the two parts parties like or use
Speaker 1: that threat to bring you in line, and it's like, huh, wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder where that goes. Yeah, stands to stand down,
Speaker 1: like explicitly using like stands down as you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ideally we'd like to stand or whatever the whatever the
Speaker 1: the syntact with us, but like that's right and be
Speaker 1: a team. That's a little bit got complex that I've
Speaker 1: ever heard one much better callback to the fallow up boy.
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about up. I think we're
Speaker 1: all pulling our fair share right here. Oh yeah, Whitland.
Speaker 1: It's been such a pleasure having me on the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Where where can people find you? Follow you
Speaker 1: all that good stuff for the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: You can find me here in Portland at Portland Center
Speaker 1: Stage and uh, Terrella mccraney's a choir boy directed by
Speaker 1: Chip Miller and I'm doing a I'm talking and I'm
Speaker 1: singing and uh and you might cry to bring your cleanex.
Speaker 1: But other than that, you can find me on my
Speaker 1: social Instagram and TikTok. It's at not Whitland because I
Speaker 1: thought I was cool in meta but I was actually
Speaker 1: just sixteen, So at not Woodland everywhere and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's That's where I'm at. Yeah, yeah, amazing follow go
Speaker 1: go to thick Tom. Is there a work of media
Speaker 1: that you've been enjoying. Yeah yeah. I um My, hero
Speaker 1: Academia is an anime that just had their season finale,
Speaker 1: and um it's actually turned into I guess this like
Speaker 1: last little bit of their season that they just had
Speaker 1: has really turned into like a beautiful commentary on like
Speaker 1: patriarchal masculinity and kind of like the main character having
Speaker 1: to reform his idea of what his mascut like what
Speaker 1: he will do with this. But the show's about superpowers essentially,
Speaker 1: and this character has inherited what is is the greatest
Speaker 1: power in the world and his and um, you know
Speaker 1: he's his idol who's given him the power was like
Speaker 1: always smile, you got to save people, sacrifice yourself, put
Speaker 1: your body last. You know, all of these like kind
Speaker 1: of toxic, self destructive, patriarchal ideals for masculinity. And he
Speaker 1: isolated himself and he you know, this character, you're watching
Speaker 1: him deteriorate over time because he's like focused on the
Speaker 1: mission because he can't ask for help, and you know,
Speaker 1: all of his community comes together to like bring him
Speaker 1: home and bring him to the hospital and bring him
Speaker 1: back into their their kind of their base. Right. So
Speaker 1: in a weird way, I'm like, wow, this is this
Speaker 1: is I don't know if this was intended by the
Speaker 1: people who wrote this, but it's like it is kind
Speaker 1: of reframing and resentering what the beauty of that character was,
Speaker 1: which is that he was thoughtful, he was intelligent, he thought,
Speaker 1: you know, non traditionally about problem problem solving, and like
Speaker 1: didn't have to use brute force all the time. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they've they've they've really tied a beautiful bow here, and
Speaker 1: that that's something that I love to see in anime
Speaker 1: in particular, but like in all media, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: my hero Academia really dope. Nice. Where where do you Hulu?
Speaker 1: You can scream it on Hulu there you go, or
Speaker 1: anywhere that you might watch any a YouTube, TV or
Speaker 1: something that's if you want to watch it in English.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine, I a friend of mine that
Speaker 1: I've just convinced to watch it, was like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: do it, but I can't do subtitles. I was like,
Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube on Hulu. For the most part,
Speaker 1: you can get through most of it in English also,
Speaker 1: but do the subtitles. You can do the subtitles. You
Speaker 1: get some Japanese in your ears, you know. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go, Miles. How about you? Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: How about tweet? Well, Jack Drill, good to have you back.
Speaker 1: But this putting this thing right back on the rails
Speaker 1: because it was touch and go there for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie be coming back from parental leave,
Speaker 1: not sure what news was and I know what's screaming
Speaker 1: but in away. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram at Miles of Gray. You can also find
Speaker 1: Jack and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack
Speaker 1: Got boostes. Whoa yeah a playoffs are coming and somehow
Speaker 1: my Lakers are gonna be in the conversation with a
Speaker 1: little bit of bead of sweat goes down my face. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you can also check me out on four twenty
Speaker 1: Day Fiance where I talk ninety day Fiance but like
Speaker 1: really high with Sophia Alexandra. And then let's see a
Speaker 1: tweet I like, where was it? Oh? This one's from
Speaker 1: Sarah Hadji at kind of h a G. I tweeted,
Speaker 1: I haven't gone to the dentist in a very long
Speaker 1: time parenthetical broke, freelancer and uninsured. I've got haven't gone
Speaker 1: in so long that when I told the reception is
Speaker 1: how long it had been, she just went, oh wow, anyway,
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing how far dentistry has come. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I always relate to like dentistry anxiety
Speaker 1: tweets or whatever, because I also have like this experience
Speaker 1: with my dentists where it's kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I've been a minute. I'm like, I know full I know.
Speaker 1: I don't make me feel bad about it's already I've been.
Speaker 1: I've been already hiding from this response in my mind
Speaker 1: for the last two years. I'm back. Please just let's
Speaker 1: get to it and then tell me what the damage
Speaker 1: is and let me be on my way. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear oh wow, Miles, it's really been a while. Huh.
Speaker 1: These the same teeth as last time. It's been so long.
Speaker 1: I just said, you're still working with the same Still
Speaker 1: whoa are these wood? Oh No. The only person that's
Speaker 1: allowed to shame me for not calling for a long
Speaker 1: time is like my aunt. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't need it from you, no exactly, but that's
Speaker 1: a problem when you've gone to a dentist, like, since
Speaker 1: you're you had teeth, that's my relationship because it's like
Speaker 1: family already. Anyway, shout out to him, great great dentist,
Speaker 1: So great tent Keep my teeth good tweet I enjoyed
Speaker 1: EJ at EJ having fun tweeted regular people drive Kia
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Speaker 1: foot no Bernard, we link off to the information that
Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song.
Speaker 1: Do we think you might enjoy? Miles? Is there a song?
Speaker 1: I'm just look. I've found this Japanese beat maker named
Speaker 1: bug Seed and he is a fantastic like in the
Speaker 1: like the vein of like DJ Crush or like Nuja
Speaker 1: Best like one of these sampled making sampling beat making
Speaker 1: dudes and the boom bap levels of it are fantastic.
Speaker 1: This track is called Stonehead by bug Seed and just
Speaker 1: great samples and like all of the all of the
Speaker 1: beats are just I don't know. It just makes me
Speaker 1: feel like I'm sixteen and I need to like smoke
Speaker 1: a blood and the Honda Civic and start freestyling. But
Speaker 1: these are fantastic instrumentals. But this one is called Stonehead,
Speaker 1: So check this one out by bugs There you go.
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