Speaker 1: What are his feelings on the prequels.
Speaker 2: He hated them. I'm pretty sure we walked out of
Speaker 2: one of them.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the third one for a long time.
Speaker 1: The second one kind of put me off. It had
Speaker 1: like a good scene the second one, but then it
Speaker 1: also had some of the worst scenes like in the
Speaker 1: history of the movie kind of strong where it opens
Speaker 1: really strong that.
Speaker 3: It was like a chase through the city.
Speaker 1: The chase is fucking dope, where he like jumps out
Speaker 1: of the thing and like uses his force powers to
Speaker 1: just like know that he's going to time it perfectly
Speaker 1: to like land on their thing as cool as hell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like in the middle, it's like him being like,
Speaker 1: but I love you, and.
Speaker 3: Like just he's like such a drama queen.
Speaker 4: He was like nine years old or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like five years younger than her. I
Speaker 1: think she he's like supposed to be even younger than
Speaker 1: the actor is. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, as far as the characters, I mean they meet
Speaker 3: when he's like seven and she's a full adult.
Speaker 1: Well she's Natalie Portman. Yeah, it's is younger than Macaulay
Speaker 1: Culkin and home alone when they meet and she is
Speaker 1: Natalie full Natalie.
Speaker 3: Portaletman Natalie, and when he is I guess an adult,
Speaker 3: but like it is, it's the there's it's a very
Speaker 3: creepy dynamic.
Speaker 2: It's just like she knew him when he was five,
Speaker 2: she was an adult.
Speaker 1: Still creepy, Anakin, you look so different now you've grown.
Speaker 1: You've grown, Annakin, and you have grown more beautiful than
Speaker 1: the last time I saw you. Even energy, Yes, shut off.
Speaker 3: But you you remember that scene quite well because it
Speaker 3: is basically verbatim what the dialogue.
Speaker 2: You watch it twenty times later.
Speaker 1: I do watch it a lot. Hello the Internet, and
Speaker 1: welcome to season four oh three, episode three of Dear
Speaker 1: Daily Zaigeist. It's a production by Heart Radio. It's a
Speaker 1: podcast where we take a deep dive into america shared consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it is Wednesday, August twenty seventh, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: A happy anniversary to my parents. Oh. First of all,
Speaker 1: the forty nine two can be freaking fifty next year.
Speaker 1: They got married on the bi centennial because they're super
Speaker 1: patriot now just I think accidentally. Anyways, my name's Jack
Speaker 1: O'Brien aka Milky Thighs. They're so caked up you won't
Speaker 1: recognize I've got milky thighs. Don't worry, that's just wood.
Speaker 1: That one courtesy of Bottles and Fans on the Discord
Speaker 1: in reference to my cad up thick milky thighs. Thrilled
Speaker 1: to be joined in our second sea by a very
Speaker 1: funny comedian, actor, writer improviser who special Spiritually Filthy is
Speaker 1: out now on YouTube. Go check it out. It's more
Speaker 1: burn hell Friends. Thanks Jack, he's like to be here.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I met Jack for the first time yesterday. And if
Speaker 2: you think you think he's hot on camera, wait until
Speaker 2: Zach is seven foot four in person.
Speaker 1: I am seven foot four, which is then not hot.
Speaker 1: That's actually troubling. That's very People are very scared of me.
Speaker 1: I'm out in the size of shack in person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you're one shack tall, so I measure people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, percentages of a shack, Yeah you get it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you a very striking man in person. And they're
Speaker 1: very well dressed, fashionable, a great button up, short sleeve shirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this sort of thing I never can pull off, but
Speaker 1: I'm always admiring the people who do. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's like a one of those like shirts that you
Speaker 1: find somewhere you know, it's not just like a thing
Speaker 1: you buy at a store. You'd have to go find
Speaker 1: it or something.
Speaker 2: This really good, this great. That sure came from a
Speaker 2: great friend of my friend, my friend Miranda Perry, who
Speaker 2: they are a super funny, talented comedian. They happen to
Speaker 2: be a lesbian, and they and I dress exactly the same.
Speaker 2: I like they have killer styles. So Miranda is always
Speaker 2: giving me the amazing these amazing shirts that I've never
Speaker 2: received from a straight man ever, Like it's so solid.
Speaker 2: That's great, a friend who's wardrobe you can share, it's
Speaker 2: the tops.
Speaker 1: Well, we're thrilled to be joined in air third seat
Speaker 1: by one of our very favorite guests, very talented writer,
Speaker 1: stand up comedian and co host of The Bechdel Cast,
Speaker 1: one of the great film podcasts. Two great film podcasters,
Speaker 1: two days in a row. That were you know, three,
Speaker 1: we had two on yesterday. I can't do math. They
Speaker 1: also happen to have a master's degree in film and
Speaker 1: the most anagrammable name in the English language, So if
Speaker 1: you've been given their name as a jumble of out
Speaker 1: of order scrabble tiles, you may know them as Lauren d.
Speaker 1: Titanic nine tit Dracula, but to us, they will always
Speaker 1: be Kaitlin Duronte.
Speaker 3: Anyone is anyone going to talk about how hot I am?
Speaker 2: What's Kaylin? Yeah, when we meet in person, I'll talk
Speaker 2: about it to the point that it's annoying.
Speaker 1: One and a half shacks, also a half shacks, incredible,
Speaker 1: so hot.
Speaker 2: You can't sit on an airplane.
Speaker 1: Caitlin, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm fine. I'm gearing up for the Bechdel Cast Midwest
Speaker 3: tour where we're covering the Star Wars prequels.
Speaker 1: You are wearing a six Star Wars t shirt right now,
Speaker 1: and you Yeah, we were talking, You're you're going prequels,
Speaker 1: You're you're diving in. We were talking yesterday about something
Speaker 1: I've noticed that I'm still trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: I feel about this. That like my like young nephews
Speaker 1: who are like ten and eleven or ten and twelve
Speaker 1: are obsessed with The Simpsons, but they're like obsessed with
Speaker 1: the last like the past five seasons, Like they won't
Speaker 1: even like go back into the archive to like bother
Speaker 1: watching the classic ones. And you will be talking about
Speaker 1: the Star Wars prequels, which in like younger generations are
Speaker 1: just kind of viewed as, Yeah, they're like also good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're also good. Like the Star Wars the other Star
Speaker 1: Wars is they're made by the same guy, you know,
Speaker 1: so like they're.
Speaker 3: Pretty same characters. Yeah, therefore good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like in their mind, jar Jar and Yoda
Speaker 2: pretty much the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're both green, they both talk funny. Nothing wrong
Speaker 1: in either case. But you are not full prequel pilled
Speaker 1: like like some of our younger listeners might be.
Speaker 3: I really am not. I grew up on the original
Speaker 3: trilogy and it's not like those movies are perfect. But
Speaker 3: oh boy, disparity and quality between them and the prequels
Speaker 3: is large. And but I mean, I mean, I'm very
Speaker 3: excited for our shows. They're gonna be a blast.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be so great.
Speaker 3: I've edited a lot of videos, we have a lot
Speaker 3: of presentations. I'm gonna wear a Sith costume. It's a
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: A Sith costume, being Darth small mostly just net well
Speaker 1: and spikes, spikes.
Speaker 3: That I would really have my work cut out for me. No,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna wear like black robes that you should.
Speaker 2: Spend whatever it costs to get an actual functioning lightsaber
Speaker 2: that kid likes cut a car in half. I'm talking
Speaker 2: to sink like a harder grand into it.
Speaker 3: I you know it would I have no like weapons
Speaker 3: at my house, so I'm like, maybe you know I
Speaker 3: need a weapon in case I have to kill someone
Speaker 3: home intruder.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you need a saber. You need a
Speaker 2: lights I need a lightsaber for that.
Speaker 1: There's no like, what's the best way to do that?
Speaker 1: Would that be a blow torch or like a welding,
Speaker 1: like one of those welding things, but just like a
Speaker 1: little bit more powerful. I don't know, kids, I don't
Speaker 1: know there any of our younger listeners figure that out.
Speaker 1: Do some experimentation and report.
Speaker 2: Get a blowtorch, get a lighter.
Speaker 1: Go try some different things. My issue with the prequels
Speaker 1: is largely that the protagonist it turns out as Darth Vader.
Speaker 1: What the fuck like that? I was rooting for that? No.
Speaker 1: I the Anakin performances I think are lacking. Personally.
Speaker 3: The performance is all around, like, how can you put
Speaker 3: Samuel L. Jackson in a movie? And he's so normally
Speaker 3: so magnetic and interesting and fun to watch, and then
Speaker 3: in these movies everyone is just delivering every line very monotone,
Speaker 3: like yeah, just and I know it's probably like a
Speaker 3: Jedi thing or whatever. There's nonical reason, but it sucks.
Speaker 1: Sucks, like Natalie Portman has never been bad in anything else,
Speaker 1: but in this what the fuck? Yeah, for some reason,
Speaker 1: they're just like, I don't know, like act like you've
Speaker 1: never even heard of acting, like you're not even familiar
Speaker 1: with the concept kind of because this is like a
Speaker 1: different planet, so they won't even have it true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no UCB.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no there's no UCB in Star Wars, in
Speaker 1: the Star Wars universe. Right, They've got jigz and that's it,
Speaker 1: Like that's their only art form. Jizz is the name
Speaker 1: of the music.
Speaker 3: I'm not being gross, it's it's Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: A perfectly normal name for their music. Okay, type of music.
Speaker 2: I look like I've tried to legally marry Star Wars,
Speaker 2: but I did. I've never really watched it, Like I've
Speaker 2: seen the first three and I think I saw one
Speaker 2: of the prequels, but I just was never So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ask a question, what's the name of the little
Speaker 2: guy who is who's a round job of the hut.
Speaker 3: Oh, salacious bat crumb.
Speaker 2: You mean I took I did take a UCB class
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: That little guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was a very long walk for that joke.
Speaker 1: What's his name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took a yeah, I took Yeah.
Speaker 1: Great names though the guy cannot be topped in terms
Speaker 1: of names. I mean is called job boo frick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what. He did have a slight misstep with naming
Speaker 1: jazz music in the Star Wars universe jizz, because I
Speaker 1: guess that's not a word that people were using a
Speaker 1: lot around George Lucas in the seventies. Anyways, Caitlin, we're
Speaker 1: thrilled to have you here. As always, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell the listeners a couple of things. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the world. The mainstream media world continues to
Speaker 1: try to make sense of the rise of Zora Mumdani.
Speaker 1: They've resorted to a very strange thesis having to do
Speaker 1: with movies, which which is appropriate because we have Caitlin
Speaker 1: here specifically that people voted for zorin Mumdani, because because
Speaker 1: movies four years have been telling people that capitalism is
Speaker 1: evil and rich people are evil, and that socialism is good.
Speaker 1: And I want to examine that thesis with you guys,
Speaker 1: based on just I don't know, every movie that's ever held.
Speaker 2: This article is suggesting that people have had enough of
Speaker 2: the woke media.
Speaker 1: I think they're saying point yeah. I think what they're
Speaker 1: saying is that people are being brainwashed by the woke
Speaker 1: movies that tell them that rich people are evil, and
Speaker 1: that's why they voted. That's the only possible explanation for
Speaker 1: why anybody would vote for Zormumdani. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I can't come up with anything else. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about we will talk about viral AI kitten
Speaker 1: videos that are being just generated. Right now, Like since
Speaker 1: I started the sentence, five hundred viral AI kitten videos
Speaker 1: have been created and posted to the Internet. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about what that's doing to our soul. Is good spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: It's very.
Speaker 3: Good all kitten videos, regardless of their AI generated or not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but if you can burn down a
Speaker 1: forest in the process of making these videos that are
Speaker 1: already good, like why not?
Speaker 3: Why not do that?
Speaker 1: All of that plenty more, But first, Caitlin, we do
Speaker 1: like to ask, guessed, what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 3: Well to keep talking about the Star Wars prequels, because
Speaker 3: I need to just plug the stars as much as possible.
Speaker 3: But I did search for this, and I'll tell you
Speaker 3: why I searched for Palpatine's lightsaber color because I have
Speaker 3: been brainstorming a list of possible like drinks beverages for
Speaker 3: the venues that we're performing at to like kind of
Speaker 3: create a special drinks menu for our show. And so
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, a Palpatini and it should be
Speaker 3: read because of Palpatines lightsaber color being red. And then here,
Speaker 3: let me just pull up the list of other drinks
Speaker 3: I've crafted, you know, listeners and Jack and Moore, you're
Speaker 3: welcome to riff on this as well. Let's see the
Speaker 3: qui gon gin and tonic, I mean unbeautaful that's beautiful,
Speaker 3: A Darth vodka and cranberry.
Speaker 1: Or any vodka dark Father. So that actually worked, does it? Really?
Speaker 1: Okays Vader? That's a like apocryphal thing people were like,
Speaker 1: and actually everybody would have known that his name that
Speaker 1: he was actually looks father. If you knew the German
Speaker 1: translated to dark father, and then you actually look it
Speaker 1: up and it like doesn't mean ship, it doesn't translate,
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that just I think that's a joke from like
Speaker 3: Pitch Perfect, where Anna Kendrick is like Vader means father
Speaker 3: in German. So obviously, but the important thing here also
Speaker 3: is that the vodka that should be used should be
Speaker 3: Anakin sky Walker vodka.
Speaker 2: Fun.
Speaker 3: Now we're having fun. And then of course there's also
Speaker 3: and then this is where things get a little bad
Speaker 3: obi one Canoe beer.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, did you say this is where things
Speaker 1: get brilliant? Perfect? Sorry?
Speaker 3: Sorry I misspoke. And then finally, mace.
Speaker 1: Wine Do wine do? Sounds like it's I'm going to
Speaker 1: get some mountain dew in there? Do I is a
Speaker 1: mixture of wine and mountain.
Speaker 3: Wine plus a Cabernet sevignon plus mountain dew. Actually that
Speaker 3: sounds kind of good.
Speaker 2: I'm in I have seventeen years sober. I will relapse
Speaker 2: on that if you make.
Speaker 3: It please Yeah, sorry, but.
Speaker 1: Is it relapsing if you just injected directly into my veins?
Speaker 1: But it doesn't like I don't have to drink it.
Speaker 1: It just goes right into my veins. That's probably fine, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are great and are do you do you think
Speaker 1: that you're going to get cooperation from the venues? I hope.
Speaker 3: So I emailed all of them and said, like, here's
Speaker 3: my brilliant menu, do with it what you will, and
Speaker 3: if they don't do it, that's their loss. They're they're
Speaker 3: they're losing out on millions of dollars that they would
Speaker 3: have generated at our show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, untold millions. Part of my ignorance. But I did
Speaker 2: have to look up Palpatine. I can't believe his name's not.
Speaker 5: Jiz He he looks ye see all right, he's not
Speaker 5: doing he's not doing great now.
Speaker 1: He seems bad. All the people, all the forced people
Speaker 1: seem bad, like you would think that all the power
Speaker 1: they're like, this is the best feeling. It feels so good,
Speaker 1: and they're just like dying like the whole time. They
Speaker 1: just look like absolute shit, which does seem to also
Speaker 1: be what happens to people who just embrace conservative politics,
Speaker 1: Like they look like shit, but they also live forever.
Speaker 1: They also have force lightning powers. They have finger lightning
Speaker 1: that comes out of their fingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should, they should call whatever disease band and
Speaker 2: Steve Bannon has the palpatine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got some. He's palpatine in big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well your skin melts and you never die.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Guy's been drinking a couple of palpatinis. But we'll look
Speaker 1: at us. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: I think using flash on your phone to take pictures
Speaker 3: is underrated. No one does it anymore. Yeah, as soon
Speaker 3: as we got rid of digital cameras, everyone's just taking
Speaker 3: pictures on their phones, but no one uses flash, and
Speaker 3: the photos all look like shit if you're in like
Speaker 3: a dark like no, I was going back through all
Speaker 3: my photos on my phone and half of them look
Speaker 3: terrible because the lighting sucks because no one used flash.
Speaker 1: And you're taking pictures during a movie what like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of you and your friends just to be fair, and
Speaker 1: you've decided to start just using flash. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's that's a lost art. I'd say, thank you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with that absolutely, And I can't I
Speaker 2: can't find it on my phone again because I have
Speaker 2: the technical knowledge of a four and a half year old.
Speaker 2: But if you want to walk me through that maybe
Speaker 2: after the episode, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Oh, happy to do it.
Speaker 1: Like, I'll hack into your phone make it possible for
Speaker 1: you to use flash. What is something you think overrated?
Speaker 3: Caitlin h the idea that everyone should know how to cook,
Speaker 3: because I don't know how to cook and I and
Speaker 3: I still eat three square meals a day and I'm
Speaker 3: doing fine, and but I have people being like, you're
Speaker 3: not cooking for yourself, grow up a big baby, And
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's the difference.
Speaker 1: These people get the people out of your life? They're
Speaker 1: so mean.
Speaker 3: I truly do. But yeah, I mean, I can scramble
Speaker 3: an egg whatever. I can make very simple things. Obviously
Speaker 3: I can boil pasta. But I don't like cooking brings
Speaker 3: me no joy, Therefore why would I do it? Eating
Speaker 3: brings me a lot of joy, and I love eating
Speaker 3: good food that other people who know how to make
Speaker 3: food have made. But I'm just never going to be
Speaker 3: good at cooking. I've tried many times. I'm very bad
Speaker 3: at it. Again, it brings me no joy. So why
Speaker 3: would I do something that makes me feel awful and
Speaker 3: stresses me out? And that I'm not good at when
Speaker 3: you could just.
Speaker 1: Bad your neighborhood, like smell a good delicious smelling smell
Speaker 1: off your feet over to a pie cooling on a
Speaker 1: windowsill and stealing exactly.
Speaker 3: Just float around, yeah.
Speaker 1: Float around. Yeah. The only problem with not cooking is
Speaker 1: like ordering food, which if you're good at that, I
Speaker 1: suck at ordering food. I feel like I just like
Speaker 1: don't want to do the research. This is too confusing.
Speaker 3: Well, let me teach you about that, because I'm great
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 1: What are you using to evaluate your restaurant options? I.
Speaker 3: Uh, trial and error. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: but if I figured out the good ones, then I
Speaker 3: just ordered from them.
Speaker 2: Again, it feels like it's a lot more clicks than
Speaker 2: it used to be to get to the menu, though
Speaker 2: I do find myself like it feels like a weird
Speaker 2: maze sometimes. Also, I'll say, in reaction to what Jack said,
Speaker 2: I think if any of us like I am, are
Speaker 2: sort of missing the world of the hobo. I think
Speaker 2: where nobody's putting enough hot pies on their windowsills. I
Speaker 2: think if we want to bring the community, you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's how you catch, that's how you revisit the
Speaker 2: romance of.
Speaker 1: The past they were I feel like that was Yeah,
Speaker 1: why did Why did they need it too cool on
Speaker 1: the windowsill? Like why can't it just cool in the kitchen?
Speaker 3: The kitchen's hot because there's no a c right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the cool breeze going. And secretly they
Speaker 2: wanted more hoboes around hobos.
Speaker 1: It was a hobo trap. Yeah. Yeah. Do you speaking
Speaker 1: of hoboes, do you ever just have a nice can
Speaker 1: of beans that you're eating out of the can? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: And you can never win fire track campfire, and you can.
Speaker 2: Never pull the lid all the way off. It has
Speaker 2: to be halfway up.
Speaker 1: Just like the hat on top of your head. It
Speaker 1: has to be halfway off, just like sticking up like
Speaker 1: a half half used can opener. Have you guys seen
Speaker 1: Oh I already asked you this more, Caitlin, have you
Speaker 1: seen weapons?
Speaker 3: I have? Yes.
Speaker 1: I feel like that kid should have been better using
Speaker 1: can openers personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wonder if that was a reference. Do
Speaker 3: you remember that like video that went viral a few
Speaker 3: maybe like a year ago, where it was like a
Speaker 3: shitty dad being like, hey, kid, here's a can opener.
Speaker 3: Figure out how to use it, and you can't have
Speaker 3: whatever's inside until you do. And the kid like struggled
Speaker 3: for like eight hours or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh do you remember this? Maybe they were right, Maybe
Speaker 1: weapons is right. It would be hard.
Speaker 3: To use if you don't already know. Yeah, you're child,
Speaker 3: you're not used to using tools. Yeah, it probably would
Speaker 3: be difficult. And so the whole thing was like the
Speaker 3: dad was like, I'm teaching my kid like self reliance,
Speaker 3: and it's like, no, you're just being a fucking asshole.
Speaker 1: You can easily just bean dead or that was different.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know the names of any of.
Speaker 1: These, Like you don't know the names of the viral stars,
Speaker 1: like bean dead. There was a yeah, bean dead. I
Speaker 1: think might be the guy who was was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you figure it out on your own. The kid's like,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking starving, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: This also speaks to the lack of hobos. If if
Speaker 2: there were more hope, he could just hobble teach a
Speaker 2: kid how to open a close can with one old tooth, like.
Speaker 1: Bite into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, here you go.
Speaker 1: Yes, forcing his then nine year old daughter to open
Speaker 1: a can of beans for six hours without food. What
Speaker 1: The story sparked a massive public outcry, and then he
Speaker 1: later issued an apology, being like the thing that I
Speaker 1: was so proud of that I posted it on social media.
Speaker 1: In retrospect, I now recognize that was an l for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm a bad dad.
Speaker 3: Big Oh this happened in twenty twenty one. That was
Speaker 3: way longer ago than I thought.
Speaker 2: We should figure out how to get prevent people from
Speaker 2: having children who hate children, right, you know, like there's
Speaker 2: so much this behavior where I'm like, yeah, you just
Speaker 2: enjoyed being me, Like all the people were like no
Speaker 2: participation trophies. You're like, I think maybe you just hate
Speaker 2: it when children are happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like dog tooth parenting, where like people who
Speaker 1: it's not it might not be that they hate kids,
Speaker 1: but they're like, having this kid is my opportunity to
Speaker 1: run a really fun experiment. Oh yeah. On, Like there
Speaker 1: was a parent who like taught their child cling on
Speaker 1: as like their first language and like only expose them
Speaker 1: to cling on for like the first handful of years
Speaker 1: of their life.
Speaker 2: There's a great video of these two like hyper in
Speaker 2: these steampunk parents, but they're like really, you know, their
Speaker 2: whole life is stam steampunk and then they interview the
Speaker 2: kid and the kid is like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 1: It fucking sucks. It not a.
Speaker 2: Fan umbrella made of gears for no reason.
Speaker 1: All right, fuck cooking, let's uh, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. And we're back and
Speaker 1: the one you know there, there hasn't been a lot
Speaker 1: of people willing to come out and like buck the
Speaker 1: big mainstream market based economy, corporate, mainstream media, just the
Speaker 1: way things operate. Zoramm Danni is like one person who
Speaker 1: had some public success, like got in front of a
Speaker 1: lot of people with these ideas that are very different
Speaker 1: than the ideas that are being presented by every other politician.
Speaker 1: Those ideas resonated. He had unexpected astounding success. And now
Speaker 1: for the mainstream media to be like, whoa, what the
Speaker 1: fuck just happened? And because they're not able to even
Speaker 1: like bring in the ideas of socialism that were common
Speaker 1: like in the early twentieth century, they have to like
Speaker 1: come up with weird conspiracy theories for why it was popular.
Speaker 1: I do just want to in terms of the state
Speaker 1: of the race, Zuramumdani is doing like fun little things
Speaker 1: like he did a citywide scavenger hunt, which was enjoyed
Speaker 1: by thousands of people, who you know, if you succeeded
Speaker 1: the scavenger hunt a cup of chry tea at the
Speaker 1: finish line. Eric Adams responded to that by saying that
Speaker 1: mom Donnie is trying to turn our city into the
Speaker 1: Squid Games. You know, the show where happy families compete
Speaker 1: for a tea on a sunny afternoon. Yeah yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: Ask the people worried about making rent if they thought
Speaker 1: it was worth it, Mom Donnie is trying to turn
Speaker 1: our city into the Squid Games. Guy fucking rules Cuomo
Speaker 1: similarly tried to criticize him for like, just like it
Speaker 1: sounds like he's like a student council you know, running
Speaker 1: for student council president, and just like Madge that the
Speaker 1: fun kid is like beating him. He was like, defund
Speaker 1: the police, but great scavenger hunts. No class, free pizza
Speaker 1: for all singers was what he wrote on social media,
Speaker 1: being like yeah right, this guy's not serious. And then
Speaker 1: also there was I don't I don't even understand why
Speaker 1: this happened, but Zora, Mom Donnie like was asked to
Speaker 1: bench press his own weight and he did that for
Speaker 1: some reason, and he failed to do it, and they
Speaker 1: were all over that. They just anything to like make
Speaker 1: it about anything else, you know, Cuomo and Adams are
Speaker 1: like more like Mom scrawny. Literally, that's what they said.
Speaker 1: But so getting back to trying to explain, like, how's
Speaker 1: this guy popular? He does fun stuff, but he can't
Speaker 1: even lift, like bench press his own weight.
Speaker 3: What is this these guys can like, what are they
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Probably the most baffling anti Mom Donnie take is
Speaker 1: from The Wall Street Journal, which published an op ed
Speaker 1: blaming his popularity on Jurassic Park and Superman specifically. The
Speaker 1: op ed argued that there's absolutely no explanation for why
Speaker 1: New Yorkers wouldn't race a candidate who's running on a
Speaker 1: platform of affordable housing, free childcare, expanding healthcare, and generally
Speaker 1: standing up to corporations who are fucking everybody over all
Speaker 1: the time, unless, of course, the reason for that success
Speaker 1: is because it's socialism is glorified in movies. They also say.
Speaker 1: They quote Ryan Reynolds's character in the two thousand and
Speaker 1: four movie Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle.
Speaker 2: He that character, he is my great spiritual teacher that
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds Harol Kumar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they but so they say, it seems like you're
Speaker 1: going to get like some sort of philosophical idea from this,
Speaker 1: and instead they just quote him to say, but why.
Speaker 1: As Ryan Reynolds character in the two thousand and four
Speaker 1: Harold and Kumar go to White Castle asks but why,
Speaker 1: A lot of people say, but why you saying they
Speaker 1: do invoke that character to say but why, and then
Speaker 1: the next question sentence. One answer is that social is
Speaker 1: glorified in movies. Multimillion dollar movies made by massive corporations,
Speaker 1: always glorifying socialism. The movies that they point to are
Speaker 1: Jurassic World Rebirth, which the characters want to keep a
Speaker 1: miracle drug out of the hands of a pharma bro billionaire.
Speaker 1: I just want to read how they described this guy
Speaker 1: before explaining further who this character is. Look no further
Speaker 1: than this summer's Jurassic World Rebirth. Pharmaceutical executive Martin Kreb's
Speaker 1: ruper Frent risks his life and capital to develop a
Speaker 1: heart drug, Paleodiaxon, that will extend human life by twenty years,
Speaker 1: and he's the bad guy. That character also pulls a
Speaker 1: fucking gun on children in the Okay, he's the bad
Speaker 1: guy just because he fucking pulled a gun on a
Speaker 1: child in movie called Getting Things Done.
Speaker 2: It also sounds like they kind of lost the plot
Speaker 2: he had been inventing a medicine to turn people into dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you. So this is the This is
Speaker 1: the thing that I love when they did this in
Speaker 1: Avatar to Avatar too, where like they're just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and like this the aliens have the cured to death
Speaker 1: like hidden inside them, so everybody got killed the aliens.
Speaker 1: But also like Jurassic Park movies, like the villain is
Speaker 1: always capitalism, Like the first Jurassic Park movie, it's like
Speaker 1: the the issue is that the John Hammond is like
Speaker 1: trying to open the park too quickly without like testing
Speaker 1: everything because he's like greedy and wanting to like make money.
Speaker 3: And the lawyer is like, oh, who cares about the
Speaker 3: park safety. We'll make millions off this place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that guy gets eaten on a toilet.
Speaker 1: Not fair.
Speaker 3: So this these theories are suggesting that the movies basically
Speaker 3: not that they necessarily invented socialism, but they're promoting this
Speaker 3: idea of they're promoting before, like anyone else had the
Speaker 3: idea to support socialism. And then because these the audiences
Speaker 3: are watching these movies now, they are being brainwashed into thinking.
Speaker 1: It's not the tightest thesis, really bad the evidence. They're
Speaker 1: really just going all over the place. They're like a
Speaker 1: palaeontologists worried about high drug prices, says, sciences for all
Speaker 1: of us, not some of us. Wait, where have I
Speaker 1: heard that? Oh yeah, here's socialist Bernie Sanders last year.
Speaker 1: We need an economy that works for all of us,
Speaker 1: not just the billionaire class. A shocking thing to say.
Speaker 1: They also make fun of Superman, in which the villain
Speaker 1: is a rich guy who looks like Jeff Bezos. Just
Speaker 1: worth noting that villain was created in nineteen forty and
Speaker 1: has looked like Jeff Bezos the whole time. Hmmm, and
Speaker 1: has been a rich guy the whole time. Watch or
Speaker 1: don't watch this summer Superman retread, which features Lex Luthor
Speaker 1: again as a corrompti billionaire Hollywood knows no other kind,
Speaker 1: threatening truth, justice and the American way, and he looks
Speaker 1: like Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos became a billionaire and shaved
Speaker 1: his head like Lex Luthor that's not our phone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the point of like who's defending the billionaires
Speaker 2: with integrity? What about them?
Speaker 1: Also, Hollywood has always had like Hollywood is just full
Speaker 1: of billionaire like pro billionaire propaganda, Like Tony Stark and
Speaker 1: fucking Bruce Wayne are the two most like iconic characters
Speaker 1: of like the decade from like the entire Obama presidency
Speaker 1: is like defined by these two guys who are just
Speaker 1: like what if we just like let the billionaires save
Speaker 1: that they're obviously really smart and like Bruce Wayne, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, he fucking inherited his money, but he's
Speaker 1: also fucking sick. Like think about like how much karate
Speaker 1: you can study if you don't have to like make money,
Speaker 1: you know, right, Just like.
Speaker 3: Look at him fighting bad guys with all of his
Speaker 3: gadgets that he can afford, and it's like if he
Speaker 3: just redistributed his well, any of that, there wouldn't be
Speaker 3: any bad guys to begin with.
Speaker 1: Yeaeah. He is a billionaire who spends his money physically
Speaker 1: attacking the poor and desperate Like that's what he does,
Speaker 1: one at a time, just waiting for them to come
Speaker 1: for the pie on his fucking porch, and then just
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you can just like stand over a pile
Speaker 5: of pears like say something cool and then disappeared to
Speaker 5: the ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a creepy Yeah, there's I mean we talked
Speaker 1: about this yesterday. That like how because she goes deep
Speaker 1: into history, She's like, yeah, Barbara Streisand's character in the
Speaker 1: Way We Were a movie that like I don't know
Speaker 1: is that a classic Hollywood movie was an avowed Marxist
Speaker 1: and The Godfather was a metaphor for America and capitalism.
Speaker 1: So like she's saying, like this has always been the
Speaker 1: problem that Hollywood has like been sneaking in all this
Speaker 1: like pro socialism, anti capitalism propaganda. It's like couldn't be
Speaker 1: more the direct opposite, Like you have to go to
Speaker 1: Barbara Streisand's character and the Way We Were to find
Speaker 1: like an avowed Marxist, whereas like everyone else is just
Speaker 1: like openly an avowed capitalist, for whom everything always works
Speaker 1: out in the end, like every every protagonist, like because
Speaker 1: you know, you need Hollywood movies to work out for
Speaker 1: the people like they are people who are exercising their
Speaker 1: like individualism to solve problems, like just completely in line
Speaker 1: with the tenets of capitalism, that that is the entire
Speaker 1: history of Hollywood. That the amount of work they're having
Speaker 1: to do to claim this is amazing.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with like copaganda, where every so
Speaker 3: often there will be a movie that comes out, like
Speaker 3: a mainstream movie that's critical of the police, but by
Speaker 3: and large, all like so many movies are look at
Speaker 3: this hero cop doing hero things and saving the day,
Speaker 3: and he's the good guy and the.
Speaker 1: Bad guy is his supervisor, who's like, stop doing things
Speaker 1: that are against the law. They're like, look at this
Speaker 1: fucking stiff. Yeah, get off my back, man, I'm a rebel,
Speaker 1: I'm a renegade.
Speaker 5: Which is so beautifully illustrated a spoiler alert by the
Speaker 5: end of Get Out, where like because then you realize, oh,
Speaker 5: every movie, all so many movies end with oh, thank god,
Speaker 5: the cops.
Speaker 2: Are here, and you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 2: it's oh Jesus, the cops are here.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, and like.
Speaker 2: And those what it is is those are people, well
Speaker 2: you know, Jordan Peel, those people are true artists who
Speaker 2: are able to observe the human condition and see where
Speaker 2: predatory capitalism and you know, authoritarian policing is bad for
Speaker 2: people like, sorry, if you can't understand that writer for
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal who obviously wrote Harold and Kumar,
Speaker 2: why are you quoting that piece of.
Speaker 1: Yeah to quote Ryan Reynolds and Harold and Kumar three?
Speaker 1: But why what? What the fuck?
Speaker 3: No, that's a famous quote and a famous character that
Speaker 3: we all remember.
Speaker 1: And why the famous Yeah, maybe there's like an entire
Speaker 1: different just uh, you know, pantheon of movie quotes among
Speaker 1: conservatives like ah, yes, but why And they're like Reynolds,
Speaker 1: good one, love it.
Speaker 2: It's also they've also been like like Jordan Peterson and
Speaker 2: those people, they're very much in opposition to the reality
Speaker 2: that stories carry morality with them, you know, in general.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting they finally caught up to this idea
Speaker 2: of like, wait, hold on a second, maybe this is
Speaker 2: a metal well maybe this does speak to capitalism. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, that's often how artworks dork.
Speaker 1: Like. They made me really like want to see some
Speaker 1: movies by like shitting on them in this article. They're
Speaker 1: like The Dreadful mountain Head has billionaires writing their net
Speaker 1: worth on their chest like that. That movie actually like
Speaker 1: has I think a very good depiction of like what
Speaker 1: these billionaires are like. Like the Steve Carell character is
Speaker 1: just the most insufferable piece of shit that I think
Speaker 1: is like a great example of what all these people
Speaker 1: are like. Twenty eight years later, the latest sequel to
Speaker 1: twenty eight days Later involves the aftermath of the rage
Speaker 1: viruses escape from bioweapons bioweapons lab. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how that. They don't even bothered connecting that to the
Speaker 1: thesis they're just like. Twenty days later involves the aftermath
Speaker 1: of a rage virus escape from That doesn't connect in
Speaker 1: any way, right, what the fuck is this article? You've
Speaker 1: been talking about? The materialists betray anyone successful is shallow
Speaker 1: as a puddle. Antis and Eddington are the bad guys.
Speaker 1: So anyways, those are all movies that I guess could
Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. So she also says that movies
Speaker 1: about the free market depict the markets as corrupt and
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs as duficses, and two of the examples she picks,
Speaker 1: the Wolf of Wall Street and The Social Network, are
Speaker 1: true stories about corrupt stufses. So like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you want us to do here?
Speaker 3: What I cannot with this pretty good movies though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend who saw Wolf of wall
Speaker 2: Street and became a stockbroker. Wow, was like, oh dang,
Speaker 2: ladies like that and cars like that. So it goes
Speaker 2: to show like how how profoundly the message gets lost,
Speaker 2: you know, especially that's whatever, this is a deeper or
Speaker 2: a different issue. But that's kind of the problem with
Speaker 2: satire sometimes is that like it still is you know,
Speaker 2: you still get high watching this exploitation in a way,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like Wolf of Wall Street was one of
Speaker 1: the best things to happen to Crack ever, because it's
Speaker 1: like it shows them smoking crack and having a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, which is the first time it was depicted
Speaker 1: as that in the history of like mainstream cinema. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Ludes the Louds was pretty funny. Man.
Speaker 3: That movie does make me wish, like lament that ludes
Speaker 3: don't really exist anymore, because I'm like, ah, I feel
Speaker 3: like they would really help me sleep.
Speaker 2: I think i'd have fun with the load, help you sleep,
Speaker 2: and record albums like Rumors by Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: I mean, think of art, you know, I know you
Speaker 1: have to balance them out with the cocaine to get
Speaker 1: ups up. To record rumors. But yeah, the yeah. The
Speaker 1: wright has argued that they eat the rich. Genre has
Speaker 1: gotten much worse in recent years thanks to movies like Parasite,
Speaker 1: Knives Out, and The Menu. So they do have two
Speaker 1: examples that they think are like this is what movies
Speaker 1: should be. Ghostbusters is one of them. Yes, I'm calling Ghostbusters,
Speaker 1: she says, which is I think that's right. I think
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters is a profoundly conservative movie. Like there's so many
Speaker 1: like the They the Enemy is the epa.
Speaker 2: APA, Yeah, yes, super bizarre.
Speaker 5: Also, you watch it when you're older and you're like, man,
Speaker 5: if you're like Bill Murray's funny, and then later you're like,
Speaker 5: oh no, he's an He's an awful creep.
Speaker 3: Such an asshole, disgustin creep.
Speaker 1: But then the other example that uses the Founder, which
Speaker 1: have you seen the movie The Founder? Yeah? Completely, is
Speaker 1: that the the.
Speaker 6: Michael Keaton Yeah, oh McDonald ross. Yeah, he steals McDonald's
Speaker 6: from the McDonald's from the Sweet brothers who like first
Speaker 6: made it. And she like, I don't know if they
Speaker 6: just like didn't watch to the end of it. Add
Speaker 6: to the Founder and Ray Kroc is what she says,
Speaker 6: which is all about how McDonald's was like a nice
Speaker 6: restaurant and then this like psycho comes along and kicks
Speaker 6: the founders out, and like it's not exactly like a
Speaker 6: subtle critique, but she's somehow like this is one that
Speaker 6: shows how cool it is.
Speaker 2: It's also like he gets he gets rich, and then
Speaker 2: and then divorces his long suffering wife too, and then
Speaker 2: Mary's that, you know what I mean. So apparently this
Speaker 2: lady was like, oh, nice upgrade.
Speaker 1: Swish this guy fucking and he did it didn't.
Speaker 3: Wow? Wait is this the same article where the writer
Speaker 3: is like.
Speaker 1: Movies like movies love socialism. Yeah, so they're saying, like
Speaker 1: all movies are obsessed with socialism. The Godfather is too critical,
Speaker 1: it makes capitalism look too bad, and therefore it's socialist.
Speaker 1: The only two good movies are Ghostbusters and the Founder.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought they were saying that, like Parasite
Speaker 3: and Knives Out is how movies should be, because those.
Speaker 1: Are always very stark. You think Parasite is very bad.
Speaker 1: But they also somehow did like they're so desperate. I
Speaker 1: don't know, they must not have seen Iron Man or
Speaker 1: bad Man because they're so desperate to like come up
Speaker 1: with a movie that's about how capitalism is good, that
Speaker 1: they that they resort to the founder, which is like
Speaker 1: definitely a cautionary tale, right, definitely, just like this guy's
Speaker 1: too ambitious and he like fucking loses his mind and
Speaker 1: is a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: And also like at any point you're like, wait, hold
Speaker 2: on now, if I'm associating with those in power and
Speaker 2: I'm disliking art, yeah, a little bit put me on
Speaker 2: the side of fascism. Just I just historically I think
Speaker 2: that's generally the case. Yeah, movie speaks you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, speak to like the gentle human heart and
Speaker 2: the challenges around being a person, especially in capitalism.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's called propaganda more pro person anti
Speaker 1: corporate propaganda. Yeah, well propaganda sick is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to Kill a Mockingbird and trash like that.
Speaker 1: Like truly, that's like that. That's where it's like Pargrisite,
Speaker 1: which was just ranked the number one movie in the
Speaker 1: twenty first century, so critical and it's like, oh, poor people,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. Anyways, this is it is kind
Speaker 1: of fun to you know, the right is always like
Speaker 1: you guys have Trump derangement syndrome, Like this is they
Speaker 1: they and the mainstream Democratic Party all have like Zor
Speaker 1: and Mamdani derangement syndrome, and they're just like can't deal
Speaker 1: and are coming up with the wildest fucking explanations for
Speaker 1: how these very popular policies that everybody's been like these
Speaker 1: would be very popular policies if anybody did them, how
Speaker 1: they could possibly be popular? And this is where they're at.
Speaker 3: Because Drastic World Rebirth it must be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, every right, the movie that's influencing
Speaker 2: all of us. I am in support, of course, though,
Speaker 2: of politicians having having to prove their physical strength through
Speaker 2: like bench presses in the Senate and stuff, unless you
Speaker 2: are strong, in which case you have to do a
Speaker 2: crossword puzzle.
Speaker 1: Your opponent gets to decide which one.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, because otherwise we're just gonna add it with
Speaker 2: Terry Cruise for mediocracy with them, which is what they want,
Speaker 2: a bustle like a bunch of muscle man.
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, let's take a quick break, we'll
Speaker 1: come back, we'll talk about AI kittens. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. And you know, as creators of content
Speaker 1: online content, sometimes it's good for us to just take
Speaker 1: a step back and look at what the competition is
Speaker 1: doing out there. You know what, what are we competing with?
Speaker 1: And it's viral kittens. That's that's what we're losing too
Speaker 1: right now. People these videos. Have you seen these videos?
Speaker 1: They're like kind of slide shows. Usually it's a series
Speaker 1: of images of very fat kittens or cats, sometimes falling
Speaker 1: out of the plane or a boat, or landing on
Speaker 1: a remote island, or just like getting bullied getting divorced.
Speaker 1: One that I watched, the kitten was getting an ass
Speaker 1: on his test, getting yelled at by his cat dad
Speaker 1: no way, but then studying getting an a getting divorced
Speaker 1: Kramer versus Kramer style like dramas. Yeah, so it's this
Speaker 1: weird thing that they So the way these videos are
Speaker 1: made is essentially just people putting prompts into AI NonStop.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if they're like, Okay, give me like
Speaker 1: twenty different scenarios of these like kidden videos, or if
Speaker 1: like each one they're like give me a kitten failing
Speaker 1: at test, or you know, like I think it's more
Speaker 1: like give me thirty different of like things happen to
Speaker 1: a cat that is cute and chubby and orange and
Speaker 1: then the AI takes over, and the thing that they've discovered,
Speaker 1: apparently is the cheat code is just making like really
Speaker 1: sad things happen to the kittens, and like then the
Speaker 1: kittens just like sobbing and looking really sad. It is
Speaker 1: like pretty affecting. I will say, like the you don't
Speaker 1: want to see bad things happen to these kittens because
Speaker 1: they're pretty cute.
Speaker 3: Right, well, it appeals to our emotional response, something that
Speaker 3: AI will never understand. But yeah, it but just through
Speaker 3: sheer guess and check right exactly. Yeah, they don't know
Speaker 3: why these things would be appealing to human emotions, but no, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's uh, that is horrible, especially because it's like probably
Speaker 3: drying up a well every time you search for like
Speaker 3: a cat getting divorced.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, literally like causing actual children to sob in
Speaker 1: some place. And so I just want to read this
Speaker 1: quote from one of the creators. Despite the inconsistencies and
Speaker 1: occasional hallucinations of the AI generators, and you do like
Speaker 1: the cats like don't look the same from image damage.
Speaker 1: They will be like slightly different, but you can like
Speaker 1: tell that they're supposed to be the same thing, he says.
Speaker 1: The cat stories remain compelling because of how quote devastating
Speaker 1: they are. I just love that I can invest in
Speaker 1: these characters while everything else is so goofy. It seems
Speaker 1: like it would not be emotional the way you can
Speaker 1: create anything that looks like this, but it's successful. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the contrast is great. A good cat one of the
Speaker 1: creators A good cat video is one is one with
Speaker 1: a tragic ending, a devastating one. The reason is firstly
Speaker 1: because I wanted to amuse myself to put the cats
Speaker 1: in crazy situations. I also saw that sad videos generate
Speaker 1: more engagement because they elicit the compassion of viewers, which
Speaker 1: spoken like a true robot.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, I have so many thoughts about this one,
Speaker 3: speaking as a fan of cat videos real cats, obviously,
Speaker 3: I don't want to see them distraught. I want to
Speaker 3: see them being cute and having a nice little kit
Speaker 3: in time, and just the idea that they have to
Speaker 3: like artificially generate sad imagery to compel people and appeal
Speaker 3: to their emotions, like just look at what's happening in
Speaker 3: the world exactly and raw, and like, you know, harness
Speaker 3: compassion from that and utilize it to affect change for
Speaker 3: the good, like what.
Speaker 1: It's the that is by design. I think it's like
Speaker 1: this severe, this surreal version of reality where we're all
Speaker 1: like cordoned off from one another so that we don't
Speaker 1: feel genuine human contact with other people and genuine human
Speaker 1: emotions for other people because thosetions like that human contact
Speaker 1: is not monetizable, you know, like feeling feeling bad for
Speaker 1: people who are being victimized by capitalism is actually the
Speaker 1: opposite of like profitable, right, so they want they want
Speaker 1: to keep us away from that, and instead they like
Speaker 1: cordin us off in these little like media delivery cells
Speaker 1: where we're just these emotions that we should be feeling
Speaker 1: that are like natural to feel, like, you know, sadness
Speaker 1: and sympathy and empathy like those are being like artificially
Speaker 1: expressed from us, like an industrial milker that's like mimicking
Speaker 1: the mouth of a calf. You know. They're just like
Speaker 1: extracting the emotions from us artificially, and we're often our
Speaker 1: like little hyperbaric emotion chambers just being fed ai slop
Speaker 1: that like makes us feel sad while not feeling sad
Speaker 1: about the thing we should feel sad about are other
Speaker 1: people and the fact that we're like wasting our lives
Speaker 1: ignoring each other.
Speaker 3: Right if I mean, like if if enough people could
Speaker 3: unite under caring about Israel starving Gaza, for example, and
Speaker 3: it's like, but now we have to consume AI cats
Speaker 3: question cats.
Speaker 2: I also like, you know, look, I live for a
Speaker 2: video where a duck becomes friends with a donkey. I can't.
Speaker 2: I will spend you know, most of my door watching
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it's also it's because that's not
Speaker 2: supposed to happen. Or if it's AI, then it's clear,
Speaker 2: it's clearly generated. It's not going to make me feel
Speaker 2: that those emotions. But I wonder if the same way that,
Speaker 2: like in the Superman movie, there's AI that I find,
Speaker 2: like the dog is pretty computer generated, which is unnecessary.
Speaker 2: Just like the dog, I like a dog actor, I
Speaker 2: don't need it, like to see his fake mouth like upturned,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I wonder if for younger
Speaker 2: people who.
Speaker 1: Give like a like a knowing smile at one point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's kind of a lot of that, like he's
Speaker 5: you know, where he's like, oh you can't believe something,
Speaker 5: you know, his eyes get big or whatever. Yeah, So
Speaker 5: maybe that's why people are just more used, more used
Speaker 5: to AI and it feels more natural because to me,
Speaker 5: it always feels like it's still I know where it's
Speaker 5: gonna keep getting better and better, but not yet for me,
Speaker 5: still looks.
Speaker 3: That un Kenny Valley is still yeah, very much there.
Speaker 3: But I do I I wonder if there's something to
Speaker 3: that that like a whole generation of people who grew
Speaker 3: up on CGI in media and then they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's just yeah, I can be emotionally affected by that totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then they see AI generated imagery and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that just looks like the cartoons and I want or whatever,
Speaker 3: like the superhero movies that I've seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, I don't know they're
Speaker 1: like that. I get those like profound, like deep kind
Speaker 1: of sadness whenever I see like a family, like when
Speaker 1: I'm traveling and I see like a whole family where
Speaker 1: like the parents are all on their phones and the
Speaker 1: kids are like on there, everybody's like ignoring each other
Speaker 1: just on their phones. Like I don't it's just and
Speaker 1: then when I noticed my family doing it, I have
Speaker 1: to like go watch my cat videos or else I
Speaker 1: get really sad because that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get on your phone and alongside your other your
Speaker 3: other family members on their phones.
Speaker 1: Let's have a realization, Jack, No, don't don't do that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but have a realization about how sad it is that.
Speaker 1: Let me see what this cat's name is. I think
Speaker 1: they call it like Chubby's or something, Chubbers. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: unstoppable Rise of Chubby. Why TikTok's AI generated cat could
Speaker 1: be the future of the Internet.
Speaker 3: So I miss this part of the story. Are these
Speaker 3: like these are like viral? These are very popular?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so they they ran There was a h
Speaker 1: the Shrimp Jesus study from early twenty twenty four. Do
Speaker 1: you know about the shrimp Jesus were like, no, it's
Speaker 1: just they looked into their like there's suddenly this flood
Speaker 1: of AI slop all over the Internet. Where's it coming from?
Speaker 1: And they found it was like being generated by like
Speaker 1: these AI like people who are using AI to just
Speaker 1: be like, give me a hundred different like image series
Speaker 1: of like and one of them was Jesus's head on
Speaker 1: the body of a shrimp and like a bunch of
Speaker 1: like crabs like worshiping him. And but yes, one of
Speaker 1: the ten most viewed posts in one of the quarters
Speaker 1: that they were looking at, Like Q two of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three on Facebook was an unlabeled AI generated image
Speaker 1: from a page that used to be like a cooking page,
Speaker 1: like somebody who liked to cook and had a lot
Speaker 1: of followers.
Speaker 3: Not kidding, I like it when other people like.
Speaker 1: But they then transitioned it into just showing AI generated
Speaker 1: images of kitchens, you know, because that's how you you
Speaker 1: can just it's this weird thing where it's just people
Speaker 1: out there just like generating like an unending stream of
Speaker 1: these posts onto like various channels that used to have
Speaker 1: actual people behind them and are now So it's like
Speaker 1: the AI is like on one side of it generating
Speaker 1: images that are like designed to try to fool the
Speaker 1: AI algorithms on the other side into like sending them
Speaker 1: out to a bunch of people. And then yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're just like again fully isolated from any human contact,
Speaker 1: just being like on one end of this massive like
Speaker 1: transactional thing that is burning a bunch of forests, but
Speaker 1: burning a bunch of forests like far away from where
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 2: Right and also making all of southern Georgia smell like
Speaker 2: gas fumes, right, that's that's trade off.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Kaitlin Doranta, is such a pleasure having you
Speaker 1: on the daily Zeikeist as always. Uh, where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram if you must. At
Speaker 3: Caitlin Durante. What I would like to plug is the
Speaker 3: Bechdel Cast Midwest Tour. Uh, we're covering the Star Wars prequels.
Speaker 3: As we've discussed, We're going to Indianapolis. Our show there
Speaker 3: is August thirtieth, so coming up Chicago August thirty first, Madison,
Speaker 3: Wisconsin September fourth, and Minneapolis September seventh. So Zeke Gang
Speaker 3: come through. Please, we would love to see you. We
Speaker 3: would love to have you. You can grab tickets at
Speaker 3: link Tree, slash Bachtel car Past and.
Speaker 1: That sounds great. And you're gonna be going over every
Speaker 1: prequel in every show.
Speaker 3: Exactly, so each show will be all three prequels. And
Speaker 3: why did we do that to ourselves? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it's too late now.
Speaker 1: And you to see the Kaitlin Durante cut down of
Speaker 1: the prequels, much like the toe for Grades one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well how long was his?
Speaker 1: His is like eighty something minutes.
Speaker 3: Okay, well I did well. I mean, mine's a recap,
Speaker 3: so it's I'm really leaving some stuff out. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I recapped in video format each of the three movies.
Speaker 3: Each video recap is like five minutes or less. So
Speaker 3: I really really did some cutting.
Speaker 1: That sounds really fun. I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 3: So there will be those videos. There's all kinds of
Speaker 3: other fun segments during the show. There's gonna be a
Speaker 3: classic Bechdel Cast discourse, you know, lots of lots of
Speaker 3: good stuff. And then I also just want to shout
Speaker 3: out Slash promote Slash, encourage people to donate to the
Speaker 3: Global Samood Flotilla. I don't know if I said that right,
Speaker 3: but it's the flotilla that is leaving from Spain and
Speaker 3: Tonisia I think, and then in the coming days and
Speaker 3: sailing to Gaza to provide aid and try to stop
Speaker 3: the siege.
Speaker 1: So Global.
Speaker 3: Yes dot org is where you can learn more about
Speaker 3: it and donate. So just want to shout that out.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, nice. Is there a work of media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? No, okay, more, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 5: Yeah at more Burke on all the socials as a
Speaker 5: nineties kid.
Speaker 2: I'm loving where hip hop is right now. So the
Speaker 2: new Clips album, the nw JID album, obviously g n X,
Speaker 2: and a guy that I know, brother Ali, has a
Speaker 2: great record called Satisfied Soul out a couple of months ago,
Speaker 2: but I'm still enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah open. Mike Eagle also has a new album out
Speaker 1: that's really good.
Speaker 2: Where he says mercury and Gatorade.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, Yeah, that's great all right. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Brian on
Speaker 1: Blue Sky at Jack Obi and the number one uh
Speaker 1: work media I've been enjoying is a Nogarfuncle just reposted
Speaker 1: a picture of John Bolton and Cash Patel and tweeted
Speaker 1: two of the most Guess who faces out? You really
Speaker 1: couldn't look more more like Guess who cares?
Speaker 2: Bolton especially is straight off the Guess Who board. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter, on Blue Sky, at
Speaker 1: Daily Zey Guys R at the Daily Zeigeist. On Instagram,
Speaker 1: you can go to the description of this episode wherever
Speaker 1: you're listening to it, and there you will find the footnotes,
Speaker 1: which is where we link off to the information that
Speaker 1: we talked about today's episode. We also look off to
Speaker 1: a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles Out
Speaker 1: on Assignment Toper producer Justin Conner, is there a song
Speaker 1: that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this track is something I would describe as like
Speaker 4: very spacey, deeply meditative. The sound design is very impressive.
Speaker 4: The vocals are hypnotic, the falsettos are smooth. It's just
Speaker 4: a nice little vacation of a song. This is called
Speaker 4: gold Coast by Bosco.
Speaker 1: That's b O. S c O.
Speaker 4: And you can find that in the footnotes.
Speaker 1: Footnotes. Is Bosco the name of like a chocolate serra
Speaker 1: is a Bosco? I do not know Bosco syrups. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's a type of chocolate syrup. But I remember
Speaker 1: from like a maybe yes reference in Seinfeld.
Speaker 4: I don't know anyways, Well, this is rich and smooth
Speaker 4: like chocolate syrup.
Speaker 1: There. Hell yeah.
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