Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season to thirty one,
Speaker 1: episode five of The Least Like Guys, a production by
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is the podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep to have in New American share a counciousness. It's
Speaker 1: Friday two, which of course means that it is National
Speaker 1: cell a Fane Tape Day. Oh yeah, shout out sell
Speaker 1: a fane tape like Scotch tape. Got like little tape.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what Scotch tape is called. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: only reason I know this right. In Japanese we called
Speaker 1: it settle tape like, which is short for settle pain tape.
Speaker 1: So growing up, when my mom was like, give me
Speaker 1: some tapes, you'd be like settle tape, plastic goody or
Speaker 1: something like that, I was like, oh so, so I
Speaker 1: always heard a cello tape. But it's just our our
Speaker 1: normal usual tape, not our packing tape. Scotch tape, as
Speaker 1: we know, three am. Yeah, that's I mean, that is
Speaker 1: one of those branding things. But they just they got
Speaker 1: my ass miles, They got me call at the clean
Speaker 1: X called a Scotch tape even when I'm asking for PEPs.
Speaker 1: The essay, yeah, give me a cake because let's just
Speaker 1: you know, I am a grand baby. Anyways, my name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien ak Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Gray.
Speaker 1: Give me too much energy on this dark Friday. But
Speaker 1: yes it's Miles they O knowho in the building ready
Speaker 1: to get the outraged started. Yeah? God, Well, we are
Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined in our third see by very
Speaker 1: funny and talented podcast author TV Personality. She's author of
Speaker 1: the book Tropical Attire, Encouraged and Other Phrases that Scare Me,
Speaker 1: hosted the podcast House and Rosen is Your New Best Friend,
Speaker 1: as well as Childish Podcast for Parents and the Rare
Speaker 1: person with Parents Trying. I think I know a couple
Speaker 1: of those that she hosts with Greg fitz Simmons and
Speaker 1: Upworthy Weekly. Please welcome the hilarious, st brilliant Allison Roses. Hello,
Speaker 1: it's so nice to be here. And can I just
Speaker 1: hone in on what I think is probably the most
Speaker 1: interesting aspect of this episode. Now, are we talking like
Speaker 1: scotch tape as opposed to masking tape or packing tape? Okay,
Speaker 1: so when you said cell Phane tape. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: there is a clear tape that is more the consistency
Speaker 1: that kind of want to go against your mom. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's you know, you're absolutely right because it
Speaker 1: became so Scotch tape isn't in Japan, cellophane tape is
Speaker 1: more prominent. Is that the like thicker clear tape that
Speaker 1: like once it sticks to itself, you are screwed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's anything that's like like invisible tape, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you use for like like wrapping gifts and things,
Speaker 1: falls into the cellophane family. I am a fan of all,
Speaker 1: like give me a Scotch tape. Give cellophane tape is
Speaker 1: hard to work with, but I do. When you said
Speaker 1: it was cellophane tape Day, I thought, now that's a
Speaker 1: dumb holiday. I can get behind, right. I like all
Speaker 1: those tapes. When I find a role of it, I
Speaker 1: get excited. I'm a simple lady. Yeah it's great. I
Speaker 1: mean the other thing. The other thing I didn't mention,
Speaker 1: although maybe I am remiss and not mention it, is
Speaker 1: that it is also National grape Popsicle Day. Okay, I
Speaker 1: like taper, grape, taper, grape. I love. I actually hate
Speaker 1: artificial grape flavor so that one can get fucked. Can
Speaker 1: I ask you guys a question because I know that
Speaker 1: you're both either married or in relationships. I'm married. Now, congratulation.
Speaker 1: I thought I saw some romantic pictures on Instagram, but
Speaker 1: I was congratulations. My my uncomfortable and discomfort of sharing
Speaker 1: my personal life too much on social medias, like well,
Speaker 1: you know, y'all got to know about this. This is
Speaker 1: a moment we can also it's a big one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's important, okay, for the show started. Tell me how
Speaker 1: tell me? I feel there's only one right answer to this.
Speaker 1: I said to my husband. I said to him, sorry
Speaker 1: for bugging you. What is the only correct response he
Speaker 1: could have had? Sorry for bugging you, honey? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that's your ass. But okay, what's up? I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: bugging I don't know if if if you come at
Speaker 1: me with I'm sorry for bugging you stuff, then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's up? M h Yeah, I just I usually ignore it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I do you know you don't bother?
Speaker 1: You don't bother, not like ignore the request to speak
Speaker 1: that there's a need to just ignore any I don't
Speaker 1: read past. Sorry. I'm like, oh, this can't be good.
Speaker 1: So the bugging had already happened. Oh okay, when I'm
Speaker 1: saying it, I'll just I'll just tell you the answer.
Speaker 1: But because every everyone is failing me this morning, and
Speaker 1: I love all of you, I say sorry for bugging you, honey,
Speaker 1: and he says, no, you didn't. You weren't bugging me.
Speaker 1: That is what I want to happen, but instead he went,
Speaker 1: it's okay, which is not what I was looking for.
Speaker 1: He because when I said sorry for bugging you, I
Speaker 1: I was not. I didn't really feel like I had
Speaker 1: been bugging. I mean, maybe it was on me for
Speaker 1: referring to it as bugging him, because all I had
Speaker 1: said was did you happen to bring in the groceries?
Speaker 1: And he hadn't yet. And then I'm like, sorry for
Speaker 1: bug I mean, I didn't say it in that, but
Speaker 1: I didn't actually say it in that tone. I actually
Speaker 1: said it in it. I felt like I could tell
Speaker 1: he was irritated. So then I I said sorry for
Speaker 1: bugging you, and he's like, it's all right, okay, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I brought this into our otherwise newsy show.
Speaker 1: I will usually make fun of mine. If it's really
Speaker 1: a thing like sorry for bugging you and asking you
Speaker 1: to bring in the groceries. I will usually make fun
Speaker 1: of myself for having not brought in the groceries or
Speaker 1: something like that, because that does feel like a thing
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't have to ask me to do. To
Speaker 1: him an email, I want to download this episode on
Speaker 1: his phone? Yeah, yeah, there. I mean, so there's like
Speaker 1: frozen items just in the car. Just get getting warm,
Speaker 1: just he's gonna let it cook like that? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the implication here? I mean, thankfully right. It
Speaker 1: is one of those things where I got to check
Speaker 1: the weather on the phone versus actually stepping outside, and
Speaker 1: it was there's not that many frozen items, So it's okay.
Speaker 1: Still ye, grocery delivery or groceries brought home from the
Speaker 1: store's grocery delivery. All right. Then he's got a little
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of a Window's a window there, yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's ice on the frozen thing. My thing is,
Speaker 1: I've I've been burned so bad from like the times
Speaker 1: I've been to Palm Springs in like the summer and
Speaker 1: bought some things. Yeah, like huh, by the sun just
Speaker 1: you've been burned so bad. Yeah, no, but just going
Speaker 1: there and like buying groceries and putting him in a
Speaker 1: car and like running two errands and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: the shrimp I bought has gone completely bad. From like
Speaker 1: that twenty minutes stops, I could pick up Rita's Italian
Speaker 1: ice next door to the Costco, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: happened to this shrimp? So ever since then, like even
Speaker 1: and now we don't even get like the same intensity
Speaker 1: of heat. I'm like, so on top of not leaving
Speaker 1: shipped out of the refrigerator, because man, I remember insisting
Speaker 1: that the shrimp hadn't gone bad, and everybody was like, bro,
Speaker 1: this ship is fucked up, like don't even like please
Speaker 1: let this stream go. And I'm like, but I I
Speaker 1: just bought it, and now we're going like it's we
Speaker 1: can tell, just please, So since then my stream a
Speaker 1: nice dirty grocery store ice water, melted ice water, Like
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I like my shrimp prepared. So
Speaker 1: I would have been loved my soft show shrimp I
Speaker 1: was cooking. Well, that's the thing, was shrimp. And no
Speaker 1: offense to shrimp if they're listening. But sometimes even the
Speaker 1: best of shrimp is questionable, sure because shrimp smells shrimpy,
Speaker 1: which is not my favorite scent. Yeah right, you gotta
Speaker 1: really be like, Okay, is that regular shrimp or do
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit of that ammonious stink that
Speaker 1: tickles the knows that your body is saying warning, Will Robinson,
Speaker 1: do not eat eat or danger Will Robinson? Sorry for
Speaker 1: all the Some of the both best and like most
Speaker 1: confounding advice I ever got was somebody's just being like,
Speaker 1: your body knows, so like, just listen to your body
Speaker 1: when it comes to like if if the food tastes
Speaker 1: just like a little bit off, which I think would
Speaker 1: be good if my brain if I wasn't like the
Speaker 1: sort of person who just constantly had fun my say
Speaker 1: about how now I got that like con Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've like it's never left my mind anytime I'm like
Speaker 1: eating something, I'm like, is my body telling me anything?
Speaker 1: But I you know, I don't. I don't have the
Speaker 1: sort of mental certitude to just a mind body connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly right. Well, that's like when you're like, am
Speaker 1: I getting a strong message from my gut and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about food poisoning here, I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about life decisions or like, when you're trying to read intuition,
Speaker 1: is this a gut message or is this anxiety? So
Speaker 1: I have trouble reading those two? What's the old intuition
Speaker 1: telling me? You know? All right, Alison, we're going to
Speaker 1: get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Uh, we're just gonna talk about
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna continue to talk about all day
Speaker 1: and uh, general state, I don't know what this is
Speaker 1: has made me convinced that we're headed for fascism. I'll
Speaker 1: talk about why that's the case. But you know, the
Speaker 1: news is just horrifying getting more horrifying. So we will
Speaker 1: talk about that story. We'll talk about one of the
Speaker 1: kids from Jaws. Have you guys heard about this movie Jaws?
Speaker 1: It's my favorite movie. I saw it a hundred times
Speaker 1: before I was six years old. There there are these
Speaker 1: two little whipper snappers in the in the film Jaws,
Speaker 1: who get you know, on the big day when Amity
Speaker 1: Island opens its beaches for July four, I think it's
Speaker 1: July four, the mayor opens them and people are out
Speaker 1: on the beach, and then a shark finished spotted and
Speaker 1: the police roll up on a boat and like have
Speaker 1: like ten guns drawn on the shark, and then his
Speaker 1: two kids hold it doing like a little prank, a
Speaker 1: little prank Garou. One of those kids is now the
Speaker 1: sheriff of Martha's vineyard, and he is like immbroiled or
Speaker 1: like it was involved in a well, like a similar
Speaker 1: thing like a shark a great white shark hoax where
Speaker 1: he like puts someone in the slam or whatever. The
Speaker 1: jail in Martha's being heard looks like. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: like a Andy Griffith type thing. It's it's like one
Speaker 1: of those bridges of Madison County, but like with bars
Speaker 1: on it. Right, all that plenty more, But first, Alison,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history a recent search of mine. And
Speaker 1: this was such an open ended search that it did
Speaker 1: not lead me to what I was looking for. But
Speaker 1: I typed in water flask, which did not pull up
Speaker 1: the specific thing I was looking for. Okay, I and
Speaker 1: I know this is hard to believe because it's like
Speaker 1: a basic quality of human beings. However, unlike most every
Speaker 1: other human being, I hate drinking water. I find it
Speaker 1: hard to suck down. I think it is gross. Wait,
Speaker 1: what do you mean hard? Like you're like, oh god, please,
Speaker 1: I think not another that it's like it you feel
Speaker 1: disgusted by water? Pretty much? Yeah, I mean, look, if
Speaker 1: I'm at some kind of not to be a Hollywood type,
Speaker 1: like if I'm at some kind of general meeting or
Speaker 1: something and I've offered a bottle of water, I'll have
Speaker 1: a few SIPs, you know. If I'm doing a TV
Speaker 1: appearance and I'm offered a chili bottle of water, yes
Speaker 1: I will quaff. But in general, if I'm thirsty, it
Speaker 1: is not my go to. I although, because so so
Speaker 1: for years and years pretty much, I didn't expect to
Speaker 1: go this deep and this revelatory, because this makes me
Speaker 1: look like a real weirdo. Sugar free, caffeine free flavored
Speaker 1: carbonated so does have been what I drink like around
Speaker 1: the flock. But that is very bad for you, and
Speaker 1: it's specifically very bad for the enamel on your teeth.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I finally, after years, was like, I have
Speaker 1: to stop this. This is like not good. So I
Speaker 1: switched to water. So I actually now I've joined the
Speaker 1: human race and I'm an a little person and I
Speaker 1: drink water. And I was there where you were like,
Speaker 1: what do you drink instead of probably have become soft
Speaker 1: alternative beverage. But so anyway, Stacy London of What Not
Speaker 1: to Wear evidently also hates there are people like us
Speaker 1: out there. You also hate water. There's far more people
Speaker 1: who love water, but there are other people who hate
Speaker 1: water too. So she's like, I don't like drinking water.
Speaker 1: I find it boring. I find it hard to drink.
Speaker 1: But I got this water flask and it's shaped kind
Speaker 1: of like an alcohol flask, and it's sort of flat,
Speaker 1: and it's like very stylish looking. And she held it
Speaker 1: up in this video and she's like, and I find
Speaker 1: that it makes it easier to drink. You know what,
Speaker 1: do you know? Like score one for design? So I
Speaker 1: was I searched water flask as if this might pull
Speaker 1: it up forgetting that every water bottle is referred to
Speaker 1: as a flask. So that was my search and like
Speaker 1: hydroflask that brand too. You're like, no, I want to
Speaker 1: booze hip flask. I'm gonna give you some confounding advice.
Speaker 1: I want, goot, just listen to your body. Your body
Speaker 1: is telling you whether or not you need something. But
Speaker 1: I like that that is a question I have because
Speaker 1: I I go back and forth on on water as
Speaker 1: I think most people do. Like I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: ever just like fully, you know, I constantly like to
Speaker 1: be drinking water, but I am a sweaty person like I.
Speaker 1: So I like with people who aren't big water drinkers,
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes it might just be like they
Speaker 1: don't sweat that much, they don't need that much water
Speaker 1: to be like constantly cycling through their body. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know people who are not water drinkers. Guess what
Speaker 1: they have? Kidney stones? Oh yeah, Like I know people
Speaker 1: who like really like are reaping what they sow when
Speaker 1: they're like, bro, I can't hand the water like I'm stone.
Speaker 1: I gotta drink more water than doctor said. It's because
Speaker 1: I don't drink enough water. So seeing ship like that
Speaker 1: had me like guzzling gallons of water just to keep
Speaker 1: the amount of pain I saw peopling from passing kidney stones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you would think maybe I'm not properly or maybe
Speaker 1: I wasn't properly hydrated, given that I didn't drink water,
Speaker 1: but because I used to drink so much of my
Speaker 1: favorite and I like to refer to it as a
Speaker 1: flavored water because that sounds healthy, but it really is
Speaker 1: a diet It's somewhere between diet so and flavored water.
Speaker 1: I would drink so much. Can you just get it
Speaker 1: with specific here, because like you're you're using so many descriptors,
Speaker 1: and as I said, I'm a brand baby, and you're
Speaker 1: excusing me of of purposefully obfuscating. For years, it was
Speaker 1: Pavilions brand refresh that's our eyes flavored refresh at it
Speaker 1: down to the people though, and didn't do the refresher
Speaker 1: were like, yo, let me get that REFRESHERA in high school,
Speaker 1: I remember because I was like broke Boy soda. It's
Speaker 1: very delicious. But then I switched to another ethical brand,
Speaker 1: Walmart brand. I think it's called Clear Choice, either key
Speaker 1: lime or cherry lime made. Oh man, did that scratch
Speaker 1: an itch that I didn't know I had? So good?
Speaker 1: And it's it's even cheaper right now. I do have
Speaker 1: a diet seven up with me, but I also have okay,
Speaker 1: so three waters near me. This is just if I
Speaker 1: can't take it anymore and I need to go to
Speaker 1: the diet soda What was Oh yeah, so no, but
Speaker 1: like my urine was clear, like I was, I'm very hydrated,
Speaker 1: just not with one. No, now it's water, but in
Speaker 1: the past it it was with water. Like substances have
Speaker 1: very specific like memories of points in my life that
Speaker 1: were unhappy where I was drinking caffeine free sodas, and
Speaker 1: how could you be unhappy during those times of your life?
Speaker 1: That's a happy drink? Like when I first started, like
Speaker 1: working at Cracked, we like had a small windowless office
Speaker 1: above a wig shop into street, and I was just
Speaker 1: like eating a six in. I would get a foot
Speaker 1: long subway sub eat half of it one day, save
Speaker 1: the other half for the next day, get one diet
Speaker 1: sprite every day, and chew nicotine gum. And it was
Speaker 1: it was dark days. Man. Maybe if you had a
Speaker 1: Fresco you would have felt differently. Maybe it's it's almost
Speaker 1: definite that I would have What is what? Something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? Oh okay, look, I don't want to
Speaker 1: bring the haters out, but I think camping is overrated.
Speaker 1: I recently went on a camping trip with my kids preschool,
Speaker 1: and I referred to it as camping. I posted a
Speaker 1: photo and the camping truthers came for me because I
Speaker 1: did not sleep in a tent. There were three different
Speaker 1: camping accommodations you could be in at this camp round
Speaker 1: in RV Park, and we were in. It was really
Speaker 1: like a mobile home kind of. It was on wheels.
Speaker 1: It was very narrow. Daniel and I had to turn
Speaker 1: sideways to pass each other. But it did have a
Speaker 1: little tiny bathroom minute and it had a bed, but
Speaker 1: it had no self service, no WiFi, and it was
Speaker 1: very hot, and there were bugs, and physically it was uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And the whole trip was called a camping trip, so
Speaker 1: I called it camping. But a lot of people had
Speaker 1: to let me know, what you're doing is not camping,
Speaker 1: So I guess. So I don't know if what I'm say.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm saying camping is overrated, or
Speaker 1: if I'm saying these people definitions of camping is over
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm shocked that you, as a woman
Speaker 1: on the internet, would here feel any backlas a take
Speaker 1: on something like I actually think I actually, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm folding in my hey get off my buds to
Speaker 1: these people, to my camping. I just I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a scenario where this is lovely. I and I actually
Speaker 1: could envision it, like I could imagine going out someplace
Speaker 1: and like sleeping under the stars and stuff being wonderful.
Speaker 1: I did that once when I was young, and it
Speaker 1: was and I did enjoy it. But I just feel
Speaker 1: that we have gotten to a point where we don't
Speaker 1: have to make everything so challenging, so I don't understand
Speaker 1: the fun of it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm with them, though.
Speaker 1: I you can't call it camping unless you sleep in
Speaker 1: the same hole that you shouldn't. That's the only way.
Speaker 1: Is a hard structure. It's not camping. Your maybe I'll
Speaker 1: maybe give you that if it's a yur, But then
Speaker 1: no tim, no camp that's glamping, which is the thing.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people together like that's actually glamping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone accused me of that. It didn't feel glam None
Speaker 1: of this ship is glamorous, by the way. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was gonna be a real enjoyable trip, real relaxing for
Speaker 1: are you talking about like half the time? You're probably
Speaker 1: like Jesus, what are they doing? They like this, I'm
Speaker 1: so hot in here, Like that's the part of a
Speaker 1: good any experience I've had that's a good camping trip
Speaker 1: is because the weather is nice enough that I'm either
Speaker 1: not frozen at night or absolutely burning like down and
Speaker 1: sweat at night either. Like when you don't have like
Speaker 1: the temperature right, it does make ship just feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And I'm not outdoorsy enough to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: damn at all. I just want to be out here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kept thinking I envisioned camping as because the one
Speaker 1: time I did it was up in Sequoia and it
Speaker 1: was nice and cool. I imagine it like walking around
Speaker 1: in the cool, crisp mountain air and this was like
Speaker 1: a you know, circle of like frizzy sweat around your scalp. Mmm,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get out of the shower. Not that
Speaker 1: I took a show, but if I did, I imagine
Speaker 1: that would have you sprung up immediately right, a circle
Speaker 1: of frizzy sweat. Yeah, okay, I think you might be
Speaker 1: drinking too much carbonated water. It's just based on that description.
Speaker 1: But your sweat, I'm sorry, this is if you have
Speaker 1: naturally curly, the threat, the fret, the sweat itself is
Speaker 1: not frizzy. It's if your hair has some natural curl
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, those little baby hair. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: feel you. Thank you. What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: I'm painting a real healthy picture of myself. But I
Speaker 1: feel that butter is underrated. Specifically, when you go to
Speaker 1: a restaurant and they give you bread, I don't want
Speaker 1: your magical chefs made special herby olive oil or like
Speaker 1: this is our flavored breech cheese blend butter stuff. If
Speaker 1: you're going to give bread, and by the way, please
Speaker 1: do give bread, just give me butter too, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to ask for butter, because then
Speaker 1: I feel really unclassy. Wonder bread just hit up, excuse me, parquet,
Speaker 1: thank you? Yeah, and then I have to pretend it's
Speaker 1: for my kids. My kids, who they all eat buttered noodles,
Speaker 1: So like, miss you're just here with your husband, Okay,
Speaker 1: they would like the later. Yeah. So look, if I'm
Speaker 1: going to enjoy bread, I'm gonna enjoy butter on and
Speaker 1: I am going to if I'm at a restaurant, I
Speaker 1: would like to have some butter on the bread. And
Speaker 1: I recognize there's all sorts of special things to put
Speaker 1: on the bread, but I just would like butter. Please
Speaker 1: don't make me ask, it's too embarrassing. Also, please don't
Speaker 1: put a ton of I was at this restaurant a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago where they had butter. But they
Speaker 1: put so much rock salt like on the pad of
Speaker 1: butter to make it look cool. I'm like this, this
Speaker 1: is gonna render it in double like that much salt. Like,
Speaker 1: I can't do this. I remember I love butter so much.
Speaker 1: My mom would get mad at me because I would
Speaker 1: use so many paths of butter for like one piece
Speaker 1: of bread as a kid that whenever I get bread,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, I need the butter, ye see. And
Speaker 1: so many restaurants now they it's they just bring some
Speaker 1: kind of like special infused spread and they keep their
Speaker 1: butter in the back. I'm here for that. I I
Speaker 1: personally you know it must be takes all the times,
Speaker 1: but funk with my butter. All you want, like, give me,
Speaker 1: give me something surprising. Put a little stick in in
Speaker 1: the butter on the top of the butter. I like
Speaker 1: a lot of salt on the top on the Butter's
Speaker 1: like a twig you mean like some kind of special twig.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, rosemary, but it could it
Speaker 1: could be also not rosemary, and I'd be like, they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, don't. I like to be surprised
Speaker 1: on my butter. You know. The best is though you
Speaker 1: get bread at the table that doesn't need anything, They're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I think I know exactly one example
Speaker 1: apple of that, and that's a red lobster. But yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's every place. I feel like my default. Do
Speaker 1: you try the bread without butter first? No? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I always go butter first, unless they're like, if there's butter,
Speaker 1: I'm butter. It's like they gotta go together. There's no
Speaker 1: need to why would I do that? But frequently lately
Speaker 1: there isn't butter. That's what I'm saying, you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we're now in this place too, where we've normalized
Speaker 1: paying for bread. Like when you go to these high
Speaker 1: like a couple of high in restaurants and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: and you could give bread service for eighteen dollars, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like that's when I reached my diaper bag
Speaker 1: and pull out the loaf I brought from home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, you're like, can I actually give a bread
Speaker 1: knife back there? And you're like like for bread knife service. Oh,
Speaker 1: there is a bread knife fee if you've brought your
Speaker 1: own quirking fee for the bread knife. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back. Yeah, and we're back.
Speaker 1: And so the story of all Day has I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it's gotten like worse. The Yeah, you know, videos
Speaker 1: of parents screaming for the police to do something while
Speaker 1: you know you can hear the shooter in the building
Speaker 1: just shooting an automatic weapon. I think they threatened to
Speaker 1: taser people who, yeah, they just do a parent who
Speaker 1: was like, why are you standing out here? There are
Speaker 1: our children are being killed inside and they had to
Speaker 1: subdue one guy and then like we're pull like threatening
Speaker 1: to tay is another person. Yeah, it's it's just one
Speaker 1: of the this thing has it. It's it's gotten grim
Speaker 1: on so many levels just the more you learn about it. Again,
Speaker 1: like all Day, like many places in this country, they
Speaker 1: spent about of their municipal budget on law enforcement for
Speaker 1: what massacre as again exposed police not as heroes but
Speaker 1: as cowards with guns that would rather engage unarmed people
Speaker 1: with their backs turned than to serve and protect. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to tear down a few myths because a lot
Speaker 1: of it was we just saw it so clearly in
Speaker 1: front of us. Right. First, we see parents screaming at
Speaker 1: the armed, armed police to engage somebody who's an active,
Speaker 1: active that he's murdering people. Right. He police are facing
Speaker 1: have their back to the school and are facing out
Speaker 1: like they're fucking bouncers. They're protecting him, right, And we
Speaker 1: have to first accept again that there's a legal precedent
Speaker 1: that says basically, police are not obligated to protect us.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's real. Um. There's a series of Supreme
Speaker 1: Court decisions that have basically made it so these people
Speaker 1: are legally protected killers that also have cowards rights. First,
Speaker 1: there's a case to Shaney versus Winnebago County of In
Speaker 1: this case, there was a young boy who was being
Speaker 1: abused by his father, and the county social services knew
Speaker 1: about it, but they didn't know they did nothing to
Speaker 1: remove the child until he ended up in a vegetative state.
Speaker 1: And then the court ruled that the state didn't have
Speaker 1: a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it
Speaker 1: did not create. In two thousand five, Jessica Gonzalez sued
Speaker 1: Castle Rock, Colorado, because she had a restraining order against
Speaker 1: her husband and he kidnapped three of her kids. She
Speaker 1: called the police and said, I have a restraining audience
Speaker 1: this person. They have three of my kids. They said, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you call call us later? Maybe he brought
Speaker 1: him home. He killed the kids and then opened fire
Speaker 1: in a police department and also and then was killed
Speaker 1: by police. In that decision, the Supreme Court said, Anton
Speaker 1: and Scalia argued that quote a well established tradition of
Speaker 1: police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statues,
Speaker 1: essentially saying it's it's it's up to them. You live
Speaker 1: in a police state. You can't question their judgment. They're
Speaker 1: the ones who are allowed to use un and you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to question their judgment when they when they
Speaker 1: use them or choose not to. It doesn't it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They just have like absolute power. So what is the
Speaker 1: theorized reasoning for why they were keeping parents out? I think, well,
Speaker 1: they I don't know. I mean, it sounds like they
Speaker 1: were saying they're waiting for backup. They're trying to create
Speaker 1: a perimeter around the crime person I had an automatic,
Speaker 1: when the person has an automatic, assault rightful. I think
Speaker 1: the standard operating order for the police that aren't like
Speaker 1: an armed tactical unit is to wait for backup because
Speaker 1: it'll just be like more carnage, you know. I have
Speaker 1: to I have to admit I have been so focused
Speaker 1: on the idea that like, guns are the problem here,
Speaker 1: and the right is throwing up all these other arguments
Speaker 1: that are distractions from what the real issue is that
Speaker 1: now that the talk has turned to the cops at
Speaker 1: the at the beginning, I was kind of not paying
Speaker 1: attention to that because even that felt like a distraction.
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit even though this is all
Speaker 1: happened in like rapidly, I'm I'm a little bit late
Speaker 1: to the news of this. So before the show, I
Speaker 1: was like trying to quickly kind of catch up on
Speaker 1: this story. So I feel like I don't know all
Speaker 1: the details of this, although the details of this keep
Speaker 1: changing too, so so if if I'm understanding correctly, what
Speaker 1: has come out, like at first, the story was that
Speaker 1: the cops had shot him right and he was weficer,
Speaker 1: But then did it come out that he wasn't actually
Speaker 1: wearing armor. He said he had a tactical vest, but
Speaker 1: like they don't believe they had any hardened like plates
Speaker 1: in it that would have been the actual bullet stopping plates.
Speaker 1: But even more than that, Like I think the other
Speaker 1: thing that's coming out is that it took forty minutes
Speaker 1: right of this person in the building. And if at
Speaker 1: the press conference that Bett Rourke interrupted the sheriff there
Speaker 1: was saying how the gunmen had gone to the school
Speaker 1: and a resource officer engaged him but didn't exchange gunfire.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that engagement was exactly. Like
Speaker 1: there's so many of these weird things were like, but
Speaker 1: then what was that? And again I think that's why
Speaker 1: like this feels like just sort of it's it's like
Speaker 1: an omni crisis in this one thing that we're having
Speaker 1: to realize all at the same time. Like if you
Speaker 1: look at the church parishioners in California, they had the
Speaker 1: bravery to stop the gunmen themselves, and that in that
Speaker 1: mass shooting recently, the teachers in this instinct had to
Speaker 1: be unarmed surrogates for the police in the school. Why
Speaker 1: they threatened, you know, parents with tasers who could no
Speaker 1: longer just sit idly by while their children were being killed.
Speaker 1: Then if you think about the gunmen in Brooklyn, he
Speaker 1: tipped the police off himself to where he was at
Speaker 1: and a member of the community apprehended him. So that
Speaker 1: after Yeah, that was after the They had just expanded
Speaker 1: a number of police them on the subway, like huge
Speaker 1: budget to do that. And when the shooting and like
Speaker 1: gas attack like happened to the subway, a cop like
Speaker 1: turned and told somebody to call nine one one, like
Speaker 1: that's and like they didn't catch him even though he
Speaker 1: was just like walking around, dropped his wallet and ship
Speaker 1: went to cats and Delhi, I think, and this this
Speaker 1: the shooter in Texas to he after shooting his grandmother.
Speaker 1: He posted it on Facebook and he said he's going
Speaker 1: to shoot an elementary school. I don't know who was
Speaker 1: looking at his Facebook, but I mean he was posting
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, Like I don't Yeah, that that one
Speaker 1: I have trouble with because I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times a day ship like that happens, just the way
Speaker 1: the internet is, you know, and I like it's it's
Speaker 1: like that's a horrifying nightmare situation for the parents. For
Speaker 1: whoever the cop was on the outside, who you know,
Speaker 1: was put in charge of like holding the parents back
Speaker 1: like that. I do think like the lasting point here
Speaker 1: is that the fact that this eighteen year old could
Speaker 1: arm himself to the point that they had to wait
Speaker 1: for tactical backup is like there is something systemically wrong there, right,
Speaker 1: But it does tie into this larger story we're seeing
Speaker 1: where the police, who are heroized and also trusted as
Speaker 1: like the number one source of our like mass media,
Speaker 1: our mainstream media, are not trustworthy and are not the
Speaker 1: heroes that like movies have been telling us they are,
Speaker 1: and that the right wants to believe they are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is I don't I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to defend these cops. I don't know anything about them,
Speaker 1: but I know this is a tiny This was like
Speaker 1: a fift people town, like I would imagine that if
Speaker 1: the kindest thing I can say is I suspect these
Speaker 1: cops we're not prepared for this situation, and so they
Speaker 1: should have just stood aside. Because they didn't. They definitely
Speaker 1: didn't help things. But well, I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that goes to a larger fact about what what is
Speaker 1: policing even if if we're in a situation like this, right,
Speaker 1: so we're those parents who are screaming outside the school
Speaker 1: while they knew their kids were in imminent danger and
Speaker 1: they stood idly by. That's that's all of us in
Speaker 1: this country right now, and I think we need to
Speaker 1: recognize that we are horrific. Disaster unfolds in front of
Speaker 1: our eyes, and we've been told since birth that there
Speaker 1: are people that will intervene to protect us. Yet they
Speaker 1: look on as if they are powerless. That really fucked
Speaker 1: me up to feel that powerless, to know how severe
Speaker 1: the situation is. And you're screaming at the people who
Speaker 1: you've been told are going to protect you. But these
Speaker 1: parents have been rendered completely powerless by a system that
Speaker 1: is only interested in maintaining like a very rigid power structure.
Speaker 1: So those police are also our politicians, telling us all
Speaker 1: the time what good they do and how much worse
Speaker 1: things would be of the situation changed, despite people constantly
Speaker 1: asking something different. We scream just like the parents do.
Speaker 1: We scream for body autonomy, for equality, for kids to
Speaker 1: not have to have equivalent experience as like combat veterans,
Speaker 1: and they're more interested in crowd control, more interested in
Speaker 1: optics rather than tangible outcomes. And we've been fed this
Speaker 1: really poison these poisonous myths about electorally like electoralism and
Speaker 1: crime and that accurate taste that we all experience like this,
Speaker 1: like everyone is there, like something is so fucked up right,
Speaker 1: and some people can put their finger on it, others can't.
Speaker 1: But that's our bodies no longer being able to accept
Speaker 1: these myths because we're looking at this. We look at
Speaker 1: results over and over as they say, vote and I
Speaker 1: will curb police violence. Nothing. Vote and I will protect
Speaker 1: our l G B, t Q youth. Nothing, vote and
Speaker 1: I will make life easier. Nothing. So we need to
Speaker 1: stop like asking to make it make sense, because I
Speaker 1: feel like that's like the most dominant take I see
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Why how is this make it makes sense?
Speaker 1: And I think the thing is we have to accept
Speaker 1: that it does not make sense and will not make sense.
Speaker 1: The only sense the situation makes is that we live
Speaker 1: under a horrifying, lee cruel system of governance and finance,
Speaker 1: and the way these two things work together typically render
Speaker 1: people powerless when they're trying to protect themselves or further
Speaker 1: their own interests, especially when that butts up against you know,
Speaker 1: whatever a gigantic entity there is. So I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, some people may be gullible
Speaker 1: enough due to their own privileged lives, to think that
Speaker 1: nothing needs to change, and they're like, it's only these
Speaker 1: like little adjustments that have to be made. But I
Speaker 1: think many people are really starting to see how backwards
Speaker 1: and absurd this whole situation is, and we can't just
Speaker 1: let this pass. What we need is to understand that
Speaker 1: the challenge of our time is to try and write
Speaker 1: the ship because they've demons. Look, we can't we can't
Speaker 1: keep acting like these people know what they're doing, Like
Speaker 1: how many more kids need to die? How many more?
Speaker 1: How many more like marginalized people need to be victimized
Speaker 1: and turned into the like true villains of society when
Speaker 1: we know it's not trans people that are taking people's jobs,
Speaker 1: or why the factory shutdowns because it's corporations It was
Speaker 1: best for their bottom line. But we still allow these
Speaker 1: narratives to exist in poison people's nines. And we were
Speaker 1: just constantly asking for just the smallest things to help
Speaker 1: make our lives better. But you look at the Senate,
Speaker 1: they care more about their ancient racist traditions, the filipbuster
Speaker 1: more than children being murdered in mass We used to
Speaker 1: be able to go to lunch together. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what it is. I think that level of pathology
Speaker 1: needs to be something every person in America needs to accept.
Speaker 1: That's what we're looking at. They allow, they allow people,
Speaker 1: they allowed, we allowed children to be killed in this country. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like this has added a layer of urgency for me
Speaker 1: because it's just another example of a story that is
Speaker 1: just like okay, like we this system is broken, the
Speaker 1: populace is bleeding, like the it is a poisonous like
Speaker 1: system that is just like spewing more poison and into
Speaker 1: the system. And the longer that we hang around and
Speaker 1: in this system where you see images like a cop
Speaker 1: protecting a schoolhouse with his back to the school house
Speaker 1: while school shooting is taking place, and like you know,
Speaker 1: pushing pushing the parents back, Like the longer that happens,
Speaker 1: the more likely it is that fascists are going to
Speaker 1: consolidate power because they're the only ones who are offering
Speaker 1: an alternative to the mainstream. Is like you're Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: you are Tucker Carlson, and it's it won't be a
Speaker 1: like a thing where people are like that, that is
Speaker 1: a public and politician with fascist tendencies like that, I'm
Speaker 1: waking up to the fact that the most likely outcome
Speaker 1: here is open and official fascism in America in the
Speaker 1: not too distant future, like by the time my kids
Speaker 1: are in high school, because the status quo is no
Speaker 1: longer viable, like the when people run for president, like
Speaker 1: they are always like change, like I'm running as an outsider.
Speaker 1: That's what resonates with people, except for in the case
Speaker 1: of Trump, when it was Biden could be like, I'm
Speaker 1: not Trump. But then Biden being like an old school
Speaker 1: like party person and like having this presidency is only
Speaker 1: going to underline the fact more like but it was
Speaker 1: you know since two thousand eight when the financial collapse happened.
Speaker 1: It's like Obama running on hope and change bait and
Speaker 1: switched Trump running on America's an apocalypse and I alone
Speaker 1: can fix it and racism Batan's which and then Biden
Speaker 1: just being like I'm not Trump and but somehow Baton
Speaker 1: switched that too, and yeah, and also you know, here
Speaker 1: are some things that I will do and then baton
Speaker 1: switch not doing anything, and like it just it feels
Speaker 1: like the people are calling out for an alternative so desperately.
Speaker 1: But the the entire US immune system is designed to
Speaker 1: kill off leftism and any threat to business and commerce
Speaker 1: and like corporate rule, which is what we have now.
Speaker 1: Like that the thing that is happening right now with
Speaker 1: guns is not because of the people you know who
Speaker 1: live in rural communities and talk about like they'll take
Speaker 1: my guns out of my cold dead hands and ship
Speaker 1: like that. It's because of corporations that manufacture guns. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's what we're in and the Democrats are complicited
Speaker 1: in that too. But so it is like the the
Speaker 1: US immune system is design is designed to kill off leftism,
Speaker 1: any threat to business. It is not designed to stop fascism.
Speaker 1: Fascism is good for business. That's why the closest America
Speaker 1: came to being overtly openly fascist was when like there
Speaker 1: was something called literally the Business Plot, organized by the
Speaker 1: heads of industry and they tried to take over the
Speaker 1: government from FDR before he could get into World War Two.
Speaker 1: If a socialist alternative doesn't find a way to rise
Speaker 1: up in the next you know, handful of years we
Speaker 1: will be in a fascist dictatorship, like in in the
Speaker 1: not too distant future. Like that's that that feels inevitable
Speaker 1: to me at this point, like based on just what
Speaker 1: we're seeing the you know, with just this the current
Speaker 1: system and it's death rattle and like everybody openly seeing
Speaker 1: it for what it is and then nobody having anything
Speaker 1: to do. Like I Google, like I was just like
Speaker 1: I did, like I knew I wasn't gonna find anything.
Speaker 1: I was like, what do I do with anger in America?
Speaker 1: Like what? And then it was like, here's how to
Speaker 1: deal with anger, like jog, walk out, take a walk outside.
Speaker 1: Like we just like yeah, it's just like we individualize
Speaker 1: it and turn it into like our problem. I've heard
Speaker 1: it from you know, young people who we work with
Speaker 1: who are like, you know, I'm watching the news and
Speaker 1: like feeling like ship because that's the least I can do.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, it's not your fault, it's not
Speaker 1: our fault. We are like in the fucking matrix, like
Speaker 1: we really are, like in a system that is fully built,
Speaker 1: like down to a cellular level to lie to you
Speaker 1: about what is possible, and we need to like find
Speaker 1: ways to educate ourselves about what is possible and like
Speaker 1: build like from the ground up a fucking imagination, like
Speaker 1: a revolutionary imagination, because it's like we we don't have
Speaker 1: We just like don't have it in America. We have
Speaker 1: no idea what a third party like what even when
Speaker 1: we're saying, like we need an alternative that's not fascism,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, like even I certainly don't like
Speaker 1: have a concrete idea of like what that would look like.
Speaker 1: We have to create that future and like build that imagination.
Speaker 1: I think we're so propaganda is to be afraid of
Speaker 1: it because of the Cold War and because of just
Speaker 1: because of the right wing and because of so many
Speaker 1: things that it's like it would have to be cloaked
Speaker 1: in entirely new language. Although like if you you know,
Speaker 1: every people truly want medicare for all, as long as
Speaker 1: it is presented in a way that you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: frighten them. Yeah, I have a question. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a tangent. So I spend too much time
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and you know, Twitter is like a lovely
Speaker 1: place where people are reasonable, and maybe it's because I
Speaker 1: spend time on on Twitter, and maybe that's not an
Speaker 1: accurate reflection of how a lot of people are, but
Speaker 1: I I have this notion of half of the country
Speaker 1: and it feels like, no matter what awful thing happens,
Speaker 1: like you present like, look, this is gonna happen or
Speaker 1: this you know, this horrible thing is happening to these people.
Speaker 1: This horrible thing is happening to these people. And there's
Speaker 1: you know, a segment of the population that's like, fine,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk, Fine, I don't care. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like because they're in it
Speaker 1: for the loaves, or they're truly heartless, or they want
Speaker 1: other people to be in dire straits. So I think
Speaker 1: it feels like nineteen children died, Fine, I don't care.
Speaker 1: That's their attitude. And so my question for you is,
Speaker 1: do you think there really are people for whom nineteen
Speaker 1: kids dying they just don't care or is that like
Speaker 1: a posture they take because it helps their argument. I
Speaker 1: like that, I don't I don't care if there are
Speaker 1: like isolated people, but like I I do for for
Speaker 1: them and their family. That's brutal, like something inside of
Speaker 1: you has died, but we are so disproportionately inundated with
Speaker 1: those people's opinions, and also like straw man version of
Speaker 1: those people's opinions from like the Democrats saying that's how
Speaker 1: the Republicans think, or the Republicans saying that the Democrats,
Speaker 1: I think nobody is like pointing out just like over
Speaker 1: six of people like want these very concrete steps to
Speaker 1: be taken, and like we we are all alike in
Speaker 1: the sense that like this ship was fucking unacceptable and
Speaker 1: like completely horrifying, Like that's I don't know, like that
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I'm feeling, is that there is
Speaker 1: a lot of noise that is designed to mask the
Speaker 1: fact that we are the majority of us want the
Speaker 1: same things in a lot of most people want access
Speaker 1: to abortion, most people want common sense gun control, most
Speaker 1: people don't want to go broke being sick, and and
Speaker 1: it's and but I'm saying that's reason like why the
Speaker 1: political party has done so such a good job is
Speaker 1: to label some of these things with certain like thought
Speaker 1: killing cliche labels, like it's called that socialism ends the
Speaker 1: conversation for someone in their mind right there, like how
Speaker 1: like insidious, the like lack of revolutionary imagination is like
Speaker 1: the thing that always pops in my head when I
Speaker 1: think of like a revolutionary like leftism in America is
Speaker 1: like the scene in Forrest Gump in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Because it's like the ultimate Boomer revision of history, and
Speaker 1: like the hippies are just like marching around in lines
Speaker 1: that don't go anywhere, and like everyone is just a cartoon,
Speaker 1: Like the Black Panthers are a cartoon. Like at one
Speaker 1: point they're like shouting at the top of their lungs
Speaker 1: at Forrest Gump like political platitudes, and then he leaves
Speaker 1: and they keep shouting at the empty space where he
Speaker 1: was because they're just like I don't know what fun
Speaker 1: and Robert Zemeckis's insane theory was, but I think it
Speaker 1: was like that they're just like animatronic like anger robots.
Speaker 1: That's like what he made them in his vision of that.
Speaker 1: But that is like the Boomers really fucked us. They
Speaker 1: really like took their idea of revolution then turned it
Speaker 1: into like a thing that is like, well, that's how
Speaker 1: unrealistic people think. And fortunately like they are going away,
Speaker 1: but like we really like we need to excavate that,
Speaker 1: like that ship needs to be cut out. It is
Speaker 1: a fucking cancer. The idea that like you can't have
Speaker 1: revolutionary activism in the United States is is the status
Speaker 1: quo belief and like we we need to address that
Speaker 1: right And I think people don't realize is the relative
Speaker 1: prosperity they experienced as a generation helped cool that those
Speaker 1: jets a little bit, you know, yeah, and the real
Speaker 1: experiencing abundance. And now you're dealing with generations who of nothing,
Speaker 1: and those tricks don't work because you can't subdue us.
Speaker 1: There's no there isn't prosperity. So how are you going
Speaker 1: to subdue people? They're only going to be more focused
Speaker 1: on their lack of things. And what happens is that
Speaker 1: creates the space for someone to come in and give
Speaker 1: you a fucked up explanation for what that is. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's these people. Hey, it's these people. Hey it's this,
Speaker 1: And that's the sort of knife setge that we're on.
Speaker 1: They're fully going to buy into one version or we
Speaker 1: have to or do the uncomfortable thing and realize just
Speaker 1: how like how much of a failed system we have. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that's why every other country looks on It's like what
Speaker 1: is going on with y'all there. Like, the thing that
Speaker 1: I was reading this morning was like somebody was just
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived
Speaker 1: in the US was the blind veneration of police. After
Speaker 1: years and years of living here and reading about this country,
Speaker 1: I now realize that it's a structural pillar of white supremacy.
Speaker 1: That yeah, like that is the like that there are
Speaker 1: so many things that are not normal, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: in this country that we have just accepted this is
Speaker 1: the thing, right, And do you talk about what's happening
Speaker 1: on the right? Like Ted Cruise ran away from a
Speaker 1: Sky journalist from the UK who just asked a very
Speaker 1: straightforward question about like why does this seem to be
Speaker 1: an American problem? And I'll play this because this is
Speaker 1: a very straightforward answer. But the way Ted Cruise freaks out,
Speaker 1: I think it's instructive in sets of parents who who
Speaker 1: are never going to get to kiss their child to
Speaker 1: night again. Is this the moment to reform guns? You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy to go to politics. Political. I get
Speaker 1: that that's where the media likes to go. It's not
Speaker 1: it's where many of the people we've talked to here
Speaker 1: like to go the proposals from Democrats and the media. Inevitably,
Speaker 1: when some violent psycho path murderous people, a violent psychopath
Speaker 1: who's able to get a weapon so easily, eighteen year
Speaker 1: old with two a R fifteen. If you want to
Speaker 1: stop violent cry the proposals the Democrats have, none of
Speaker 1: them would have stopped this. Why does this only happen
Speaker 1: in your country? I really think that's what many people
Speaker 1: around the world just they cannot fathom. Why only in America?
Speaker 1: Why is this American exceptionalism so awful? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you think American exceptionalism is awful. I think this aspect.
Speaker 1: I think this aspect of it. You get your political
Speaker 1: agenda's Senator, it's not. I just want to understand why
Speaker 1: you do not think that guns are the problem a problem,
Speaker 1: it is just an American problem. He goes on. He
Speaker 1: just you know, says you're a propagandist. Nonsense. And again,
Speaker 1: this is a this is someone who has asked a question,
Speaker 1: couldn't offer you a solution. I think that's what people
Speaker 1: need to really hone in on. When politicians speak, seldom
Speaker 1: more they actually offering a tangible solution, and that should
Speaker 1: be that that should set alarms off in your head
Speaker 1: as to where the country, like, what the direction is
Speaker 1: of the country, because the people who are making the
Speaker 1: laws they don't care about solving anything. Biden tweeted as
Speaker 1: a nation, we must ask when in God's name will
Speaker 1: we stand up to the gun lobby? When in God's
Speaker 1: name will we do what needs to be done. I'm
Speaker 1: sick and tired of it. We have to act. What
Speaker 1: what are you sick and tired of? What like? What
Speaker 1: you name it? Name it man? What do you that like?
Speaker 1: Is it just their party? Is it like say what
Speaker 1: needs to happen? Like? What are the lobbyists visiting me? No,
Speaker 1: they visit y'all. Their job is to interact with politicians.
Speaker 1: So why are you asking us when you need to
Speaker 1: figure that out on your own? And that's an empty
Speaker 1: gesture to just say, what are we going to stop?
Speaker 1: Say something? You tell me, motherfucker, you tell me. It's
Speaker 1: like hotpot you though. They're all just turning around, and
Speaker 1: Laura Trump on Fox News goes on, they can't, they
Speaker 1: can't say anything that's a that makes any sense. So
Speaker 1: she's just gonna go off and talk about how we
Speaker 1: don't have two parent homes anymore. It's not guns, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not it's not inequality, it's it's the other
Speaker 1: ship across the board at things like the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, we have the dissolution of the family and
Speaker 1: so many respects. We have fatherless children on the rise
Speaker 1: in America, we have the loss of religion and so
Speaker 1: many aspects of our country where it was a foundation
Speaker 1: of our country at one time. You can't discount the
Speaker 1: rise of social media and the role that that has
Speaker 1: played in things like this. Um and then the mental
Speaker 1: health aspect of this obviously has to be a focus. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not Eve gonna let her finish that, because Greg
Speaker 1: Abbott slashed mental health budgets in the States. So there's that,
Speaker 1: that's mood. There's no don't don't talk about mental health
Speaker 1: when the never even been anything you've actually advocated for.
Speaker 1: It's all emptiness, right, And again, this is how this
Speaker 1: is the explanation. This is a group of people who
Speaker 1: are I'm I'm people on Fox News are I'm assuredly
Speaker 1: horrified to hear the nineteen children killed and two adults, right,
Speaker 1: And then you have someone come in and not say
Speaker 1: it's not guns it's not the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: we have like places like four chan or other things
Speaker 1: where people can get radicalized or share weird ideas and
Speaker 1: things like that. It's that we don't have God. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we need a theocracy.
Speaker 1: That's what That's the solution that's being handed out is
Speaker 1: a theocracy. That's the only solution that has its own channel,
Speaker 1: you know, because the other channels, the the other channels
Speaker 1: are all part of the just speak around the truth,
Speaker 1: look look the other way, like, so that that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that is why the inability for anybody
Speaker 1: to just like say what it is from from anywhere
Speaker 1: except you know, a fascist perspective, like is what is
Speaker 1: making me so worried that like this is where it's
Speaker 1: headed because it's like every it's all just corporate corporate
Speaker 1: like bullshit and in action and then that fascism, that
Speaker 1: theocracy bullshit. Right, they're filling the knowledge gap with fascist
Speaker 1: talking points because there are people asking what what what
Speaker 1: do we do? Yeah, because left or right, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're not wealthy, you're you're being like man fun
Speaker 1: ship's kind of fucked up. Yeah, But if on one
Speaker 1: channel it's like it's theocracy. That's what we need. We
Speaker 1: need more god, we need more guns. They're they're saying
Speaker 1: something although it's not really something there. I mean, they
Speaker 1: will legislate on it eventually, as they are a lot
Speaker 1: of other things. But yeah, you flip the switch to
Speaker 1: like CNN or whatever, they can't say, they can't advocate
Speaker 1: for anything different, and I think that shows you the
Speaker 1: direction it's going. Because the Republic is on the right,
Speaker 1: they don't have the numbers to win like like actual
Speaker 1: just straight up majorities of things, so they have to
Speaker 1: defeat the process of even having like a democratic system
Speaker 1: of elections, even though that's you know, argue with the
Speaker 1: debatable whatever, to completely just say not all right, we
Speaker 1: closed the door. Now we're in charge. We got this
Speaker 1: and these guess what these are all the rules we
Speaker 1: like to enforce, and we'll just be sitting there confused
Speaker 1: because we're we're like we we we have to find
Speaker 1: a way. We we have the signals coming from the media,
Speaker 1: have to offer people something else because it's just the
Speaker 1: confusion and trying to subdue their outrage. It's not that
Speaker 1: that's how we get into an even darker place, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break, we'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about Jaws, and we're back, and Jaws is my favorite
Speaker 1: movie there were there's a scene, the big scene kind
Speaker 1: of the like I think it's the midpoint of the film,
Speaker 1: when they opened the beaches even though Sheriff Brody knows
Speaker 1: is a bad move. Everybody's watching the water kind of
Speaker 1: nervous because the shark has been eating people. And then
Speaker 1: there's a shark fan but it turns out to be
Speaker 1: kids doing a prank, doing a goof, and one of
Speaker 1: those kids so they apparently they just like cast Jaws
Speaker 1: with like people they passed on the way to like
Speaker 1: filming the scene, because like what one of those kids
Speaker 1: was just a Martha's Bingard resident. That's where they shot Jaws,
Speaker 1: and like for all intents of purposes, like Amity Island
Speaker 1: is Martha's Bingard, So one of those kids is now
Speaker 1: the sheriff of Martha's Vingeyard where the film was shot.
Speaker 1: And also the son of a former police chief, so
Speaker 1: there's a connection to Jaws for the Revenge in which
Speaker 1: Martin Brody's son was a deputy and has his dang
Speaker 1: hand bit off the first scene and then he gets
Speaker 1: eaten too. I don't know how he ends up getting
Speaker 1: his hand bit off and then also like falling into
Speaker 1: the water to get eaten. Uh, maybe he liked the
Speaker 1: first bite. Yeah, yeah, but like I understand the shark
Speaker 1: like the first bite, but the sharks in the water,
Speaker 1: he's on a dang boat. Maybe he was like, oh okay. Anyways,
Speaker 1: so this dude once busted someone for doing what he
Speaker 1: pretended to do in Jaws. In two thousand eight, he
Speaker 1: arrested someone for disorderly conduct for telling thirty people that
Speaker 1: he'd seen a pair of great whites while in a
Speaker 1: fishing boat. Okay, so, and it like the story sounds
Speaker 1: I'm just inherently like, well, you know, this person's a cop.
Speaker 1: They're probably just wanted to arrest somebody. But apparently the
Speaker 1: fishing boat that the person claimed he was on and
Speaker 1: the owner of the boat didn't seem to exist. Okay,
Speaker 1: So based on my investigation, Officer Searle's report says there
Speaker 1: is no credibility to be given to Michael Lopenzo's shark story.
Speaker 1: But then other people did report seeing a shark fin
Speaker 1: in the water on the same day, include like the
Speaker 1: lifeguards closed the beaches spotters and a plane saw something.
Speaker 1: And then a month before that fisherman saw what they
Speaker 1: thought was a great white near the beach, and yeah
Speaker 1: that like this is all before the person that he
Speaker 1: put in jail for saying they saw a shark got
Speaker 1: put in jail. And then carcase of a seal washed up,
Speaker 1: but which is a plot point from Jaws too, except
Speaker 1: it's an orc away problem. Them to call in a
Speaker 1: shark specialist, presumably a Richard Dreyfuss type, who examined the
Speaker 1: decomposing body of the seal and was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that was a dead seal. But and then because
Speaker 1: of Jaws, like everybody wanted there to be a shark
Speaker 1: attack because it would make for a good story. There
Speaker 1: wasn't ultimately a shark attack, but I do feel like
Speaker 1: this dude arrested somebody for seeing a shark. Basically, I'm
Speaker 1: working in the theory now. I have a huge admission.
Speaker 1: This is in an episode of admissions. Um, I have
Speaker 1: not seen seen Jaws. I know this is a humongous
Speaker 1: jack just passed away. Oh no, come back, I seen
Speaker 1: it six thousand times. I just even though I've seen
Speaker 1: it six thousand times, I seem to be a little
Speaker 1: unclear on the plot point. Did this guy in the
Speaker 1: movie get in trouble for for pretending to be a
Speaker 1: shark fan? He did. It's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: fun little like sidebar. It's like a false breaks detention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's people are like sharks. Definitely coming to sharks,
Speaker 1: definitely coming. You as the viewer, Noah, shark is coming
Speaker 1: because you're watching a movie called Jaws, and it's like
Speaker 1: the big climactic day when the mayor opened the beach,
Speaker 1: uh shark finn is spotted. The police all pull up
Speaker 1: in a boat like have all their guns drawn, and
Speaker 1: then the kid comes out and he's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a goof. He made me do it. It's very cute actually,
Speaker 1: but he definitely well, it doesn't like follow his story, Alison,
Speaker 1: it doesn't become a tale justice and because the real
Speaker 1: shark comes along and starts eating people immediately after that,
Speaker 1: so he gets upstaged by the real shark. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: my theory. So Patti Duke play. So you know the
Speaker 1: movie Miracle Worker. Do you say you've never seen it?
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, so were but you've seen Jaws
Speaker 1: this many times. Oh boy, now I'm going to die, Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's about how I've Yeah, it's about Helen Keller.
Speaker 1: So Patti Duke that Patti Duke played Helen Keller when
Speaker 1: she was a kid. But apparently she always wanted to
Speaker 1: play I'm forgetting what. Yes, she when she got older
Speaker 1: she wanted to play the teacher, and then when she
Speaker 1: got older she eventually did play the teacher. So here
Speaker 1: is my theory. This kid in the movie played the kid,
Speaker 1: but because he'd had that experience made it he wanted
Speaker 1: to one day play the other role in truth bomb
Speaker 1: drop that bomb justin Wow. So now perfect anecdote. So
Speaker 1: his whole life has been he's been, you know, forging
Speaker 1: towards this one point where he gets to whether you know,
Speaker 1: justified or not, put this person in jail rights. I
Speaker 1: want to be Chief Brody. That's right. Roy Scheider ain't shit.
Speaker 1: And he was in like a jankie like my copy
Speaker 1: of that show SeaQuest DSV that Roy Scheider was into.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, man, I gotta be in this one.
Speaker 1: It's called Ocean Journey. But well, good for him. But
Speaker 1: also a cab does include being the Josh sheriff of
Speaker 1: Even Brody, I mean, was maybe our worst cop of
Speaker 1: all time. He was alcoholic. I think that was the
Speaker 1: subtext of the movie. Did not like water, even though
Speaker 1: he was the sheriff of Martha's vingeard, I don't like
Speaker 1: water be a sheriff. Yeah he did. He did. Not
Speaker 1: only did he not like drinking it, he only liked
Speaker 1: drinking the booze, but he he didn't like going near it,
Speaker 1: going on boats, which made it problematic. And then in
Speaker 1: the second movie he opens fire on a crowded beach
Speaker 1: at a school of bluefish because he has such PTSD
Speaker 1: from the first movie. But then his PTSD comes to life.
Speaker 1: There is really a shark. Anyways, It's a great, great
Speaker 1: film franchise. Alison Rosen, thank you for explaining this news
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Speaker 1: is called veneer Check. This does not seem like something
Speaker 1: I would become obsessed with. However, it's like my favorite
Speaker 1: thing on TikTok. Her name is Dr Sarah. She's a
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Speaker 1: a I don't. It's like a more advanced dentist or something.
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