Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to twenty nine,
Speaker 1: Episode one of Joe Days. Like guys, it's a production
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. It's a podcast, this one where
Speaker 1: we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, March,
Speaker 1: which of course means that it's National Corn Dog Day.
Speaker 1: It's National Certified Nurses Day. Also, you know what I up.
Speaker 1: That's what Saturday is. It's International Color Day and World
Speaker 1: Puppetry Day. Okay, I love both of those things. Colors,
Speaker 1: also colorful Puppets, National French Bread Day, National California Strawberry Day,
Speaker 1: and World Down Syndrome Day. We got it all today, Okay,
Speaker 1: out to all of those things. It's Monday. People putting in,
Speaker 1: putting in work for the downs community and America. Awesome. Well, Miles,
Speaker 1: I haven't introduced to you, so I'm not gonna shut
Speaker 1: you know, We've only done this a thousand times. Um.
Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien a k Take me down
Speaker 1: to the KFC where the colonel is pretty in the
Speaker 1: candles are gravy. I don't want what you please take
Speaker 1: me down under. That is courtesy of Warren the Wear Bear,
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite wear bear and also in honor of Australians
Speaker 1: KFC tasting menu where the Colonel does look very pretty
Speaker 1: on the stencil plate that you're supposed to lick, and
Speaker 1: the gravy candles are a revelation. A revelation as we
Speaker 1: put it, because I use that word so often that
Speaker 1: I have to shorten it. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host Mr Miles grab
Speaker 1: apple bottom e in all of the core. Her Majesty
Speaker 1: was looking disturbed the way I bite, the way I'll
Speaker 1: bite that apple butt and I start lo lo lo
Speaker 1: lo lo lo lo lo, shout out to Rumhand mc
Speaker 1: duck on the discord, because yeah, we start the apple
Speaker 1: We start the apples from the bottom, Okay, that's how
Speaker 1: we eat them, not from the sides. We eat a
Speaker 1: straight from the bottom to make onlookers disturbed. This is
Speaker 1: the new I know, and our guests right, another time
Speaker 1: I've said something and the guests is just a gas
Speaker 1: without saying anything, talking about eating apples from the bottom anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: bottom up, yeah, not top down, you feel me, not
Speaker 1: top down, like a good organization, bottom up, bottom up, Well, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thoroughly be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 1: a brilliant actress, writer, podcaster, educator. It is the brilliant
Speaker 1: the town to Karama dog Water. Hello, thank you. I
Speaker 1: didn't prepare an A k A. I should have. I've
Speaker 1: been here before. I want to be like you, guys.
Speaker 1: I can't match your singing prowess. Thank you for having
Speaker 1: me again. Have Yeah. Cool is definitely the operative word.
Speaker 1: Very very cool what you've just witnessed here at the
Speaker 1: start of very legal. I'm also the only person not
Speaker 1: wearing a hat. And I feel like rude that I
Speaker 1: didn't get that memo and you and you eat your
Speaker 1: apples from the side. I'm I'm assuming based on your
Speaker 1: reaction to that song, I was singing, Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: need apples because I like to fight doctors. I have
Speaker 1: a tiny apple today. I guess that's my it's my
Speaker 1: mid record snack. I didn't even think about it. It's time.
Speaker 1: I could probably eat it in like three bites, I think,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I still have yet to try
Speaker 1: the bottom to the top method of apple eating. So
Speaker 1: maybe we'll maybe it'll happen May. Yeah, maybe it'll happen
Speaker 1: live to tape on this podcast. I feel like the
Speaker 1: way that you eat a food is very important, and
Speaker 1: I just I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong
Speaker 1: to r from the bottom up. It feels very wrong.
Speaker 1: This like this is these of kinds of guests we
Speaker 1: have on that just challenge the paradigm as we know it,
Speaker 1: you know, and push us further and further out and saying,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no wrong way to eat an apple.
Speaker 1: And it just looks well like I So I bit
Speaker 1: into a kit cat once, just like the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it didn't taste right anymore. It just wasn't a
Speaker 1: kit cat right, like, Oh, you didn't break them apart,
Speaker 1: You're just like big through all four of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like a pan flute made of chocolate. That's
Speaker 1: nice from my music cons So, Karama you are where
Speaker 1: where are you coming to us from? I'm coming to
Speaker 1: you from Chicago? Currently new city for me. I like
Speaker 1: it so far. It's nice. A lot of buildings for love,
Speaker 1: happy for Chicago and all of its buildings. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you get to witness any of the St. Patrick's
Speaker 1: Day madness? I was here on St. Patrick's Day, so
Speaker 1: a little little nanigans. I'm not a big drinking holiday celebrator.
Speaker 1: So I was just like minding my business. I actually
Speaker 1: got my passport renewed on St. Patrick's Day, you know,
Speaker 1: the craziest activity. So I said, most of my day
Speaker 1: in the passport office. But me and the passport office
Speaker 1: guy are a really great shout out to at the
Speaker 1: passport office in Chicago. Wait, but you you're in l A.
Speaker 1: Are You're in California most of the time, right, Like
Speaker 1: you live in California, right, and so but You're like,
Speaker 1: I gotta handle my passport ship while I'm in Chicago.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I'm stupid. So what I shouldn't
Speaker 1: dine is just did it in l A. Because I
Speaker 1: didn't do my US passport. I did my Donna passport.
Speaker 1: And there are four places in the United States where
Speaker 1: you can renew you're gonna passport, and one of them
Speaker 1: is Los Angeles. But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm in Chicago. I don't have anybody here that's trying
Speaker 1: to hunt me down, that needs anything to me. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do this very important errand while I'm
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Don't ever do that. That's crazy. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I did that. It just felt like you
Speaker 1: were so comfortable there. I'm like, damn, look at you
Speaker 1: really feeling this in I'm like, yeah, I handle some
Speaker 1: of my federal passport business thing. I think I've done
Speaker 1: all year, right, And nobody peeed on your shoe or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Like you made it through the St.
Speaker 1: Chicago St. Patrick's Day celebration without anybody at like just
Speaker 1: somebody breaking a window in front of you, none of that.
Speaker 1: I'm the problem on St. Patrick's Day, which is why
Speaker 1: I don't really celebrate because I don't like I don't
Speaker 1: like the Celtics, and there's a lot of people wearing
Speaker 1: Celtics jerseys on St. Patrick's Day because they are green
Speaker 1: and so like. In fourteen, I almost started a fight
Speaker 1: with the dude at a bar in l A because
Speaker 1: I was like, you can't wear that here, you don't
Speaker 1: do that here, and he was blessedly like, okay, ma'am
Speaker 1: right right. They're like you're at my bar on St. Patrick's. See.
Speaker 1: I had one drink. St. Patrick's Say, I went and
Speaker 1: dot Ramen and had one drink. I had like an
Speaker 1: old fashion and I did see a Diana Larry Bird
Speaker 1: jersey and I was feeling feisty after my one old
Speaker 1: thou and I was like, oh, it's on. Have you
Speaker 1: been watching Winning Time on HBO? No, I haven't about
Speaker 1: the Showtime Lakers. Oh man, there's some good if if
Speaker 1: you want to get like energized by like people not
Speaker 1: liking the Celtics, there's some good scenes in there where
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, just cracked her knuckles, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going in. I am a fellow Celtic despisers. Reason
Speaker 1: for me to hate this This rivalry has basically been
Speaker 1: dead since Larry Bird and Magic Johnson retired. Literally no reason.
Speaker 1: It's just the thing I hold on to. It's my hobby.
Speaker 1: Had beef with Danny Ainge. He's gone, and I'm still like, man,
Speaker 1: I still really do not like this team. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. You always bring that up, like
Speaker 1: I thought with Danny Ainge and I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be gone. Well, I always bring it up
Speaker 1: on the show. You should talk to my therapist, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like, that's all I talk. Also, I know there's
Speaker 1: a listener named Alicia from Boston who's gonna be in
Speaker 1: my mentions right now because whenever I bring up Alicia,
Speaker 1: I love you. I love the people of Boston, Alicia,
Speaker 1: you get the past, and you know what my my
Speaker 1: dislike of the Seldon I don't know. I mean, don't
Speaker 1: come into my house wearing that trash. And some people
Speaker 1: in Boston are great. Boston has a city, though, does
Speaker 1: have a reputation for being just a little bit racist,
Speaker 1: a little bit I've heard, I heard, if I heard
Speaker 1: a few things from the history books, I should not
Speaker 1: give the global pass to the people of Boston. That's
Speaker 1: probably a little much. But there are great people in Boston.
Speaker 1: No city deserves a global past, I think you. No,
Speaker 1: definitely not Los Angeles. Yeah right, Chicago's great though, Thanks Chicago, honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my grandparents are from Chicago, so I'll give, I'll give.
Speaker 1: I'll give some people with a grandparents Bay get passed.
Speaker 1: If your grandparent in Chicago. Great, there it is Boom.
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to get to know you a
Speaker 1: little bit better in a moment Roma book. First, we're
Speaker 1: going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We're talking about standard time as opposed to
Speaker 1: daylight Savings time. This bummed me out a little bit
Speaker 1: because my instinctively I prefer Daylight Savings time, but I
Speaker 1: think it's from a selfish point of view. And so
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some people are saying we should
Speaker 1: not have frozen the clocks at daylight Savings time. We
Speaker 1: should have frozen a standard time standard, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: I guess it is the standard. It is the standard,
Speaker 1: but it's only like four months out of the year
Speaker 1: that we're in standard time. I never know what time
Speaker 1: it is. And I have to say one of my
Speaker 1: pet peeves is that when people write what time zone,
Speaker 1: they usually write p s T E s T, no
Speaker 1: matter whether we're in and Daylight Saving time or not.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what's mean things guilty? Just write and
Speaker 1: eats for it. Yeah, that's all right because specific standard time.
Speaker 1: Right but we're in p DT right now. Okay. I
Speaker 1: do all of mine with Granwich standard time and then
Speaker 1: plus minus you know, however many hours it needs to
Speaker 1: be GMT Granwich mean time, Granwich mean time. And they
Speaker 1: say GMT stands for Donna Man time because nothing start
Speaker 1: on time. Over there, we're gonna talk about some controversy
Speaker 1: on the Gray's Anatomy writing team. I guess we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about n f T s. Baby, they're back, They're
Speaker 1: have you heard about these things? So we're gonna there's
Speaker 1: a pepe n f T. And then there's an article
Speaker 1: in Jacobin that's talking about like how the crypto world
Speaker 1: tends to go in one political direction when it comes
Speaker 1: to who benefits from these, specifically towards the right. It
Speaker 1: has a it favors the right, the one I didn't
Speaker 1: want it, I know. So we'll talk about why that
Speaker 1: is plenty moore, But first we do like to ask
Speaker 1: our guest, what is something from your search history? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So I just want to preface this by saying,
Speaker 1: this is again the third time I've been on this show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me back. And every time I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna search something that makes me seem mysterious and
Speaker 1: then I forget, So you really do get my unadulterated
Speaker 1: search history. So what I've chosen today is something I
Speaker 1: searched yesterday, and I searched why do pickles get to
Speaker 1: be pickles? Because because pickled cucumbers we in the United
Speaker 1: States called pickles, and I'm like, well, you can pickle
Speaker 1: other things, so why do pickles get to be pickles?
Speaker 1: And I read an interesting article from PBS just about pickling,
Speaker 1: and I I learned a lot about pickled objects and
Speaker 1: how pickling is a very old practice and basically it's
Speaker 1: just kind of the thing that we pick We pickle
Speaker 1: the most in the United States, so that's why we
Speaker 1: call them pickles, and that they were very easy to
Speaker 1: travel with because you can just like pull out a
Speaker 1: pickle and walk around with it. You know. Our very
Speaker 1: brilliant super producer Becca Ramos just said I was gonna
Speaker 1: be like, all right, that's you know, that's a thought
Speaker 1: nobody else has ever had before. But the super producer
Speaker 1: Becca was like, I was just thinking about this the
Speaker 1: other day. Thank you Beca for being in my corner.
Speaker 1: But this sac yeah, this has big like either three
Speaker 1: year old thought or like thought I would only have
Speaker 1: when I was too high like thought energy to define.
Speaker 1: I lean more towards three years old because I feel
Speaker 1: bad for the other things that are not getting called pickles,
Speaker 1: Like why doesn't kim chi get to be called pickles? Right?
Speaker 1: Has a nice aime, you know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I think pickles would do kimchi a disservice. So in
Speaker 1: a way, pickles I'm actually when it comes to pickles,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do you ever have half sour pickles? No?
Speaker 1: Where they're like halfway between going full pickle and there's
Speaker 1: still a little bit cucumber e that sounds like a
Speaker 1: bad cucumber. It's you know, that's what I thought at first,
Speaker 1: But it has like this other tech, this quality to
Speaker 1: it that I really enjoyed, and like a full on green,
Speaker 1: you know, like swamp green kind of pick a lot
Speaker 1: of barrel kind of thing. Anyway, to each their ow,
Speaker 1: and since it is March madness, I do have to
Speaker 1: and pickles are coming up, I do have to mention
Speaker 1: that a friend of mine, Ryan put, once pointed out
Speaker 1: that Coach K has a face, Mike Saschowski has a
Speaker 1: face that suggests that he loves pickles. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: really make sense, but it's nothing has ever seemed truer
Speaker 1: to me than the idea that Coach K loves pickles.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Ryan Cassidy. After complaining about a
Speaker 1: duke class, he unwindes with a nice bit pickle bite.
Speaker 1: He's like in Texas movie theaters, not all of them,
Speaker 1: but in some Texas movie theaters you can buy like
Speaker 1: a movie pickle. Beccaramos producer from Texas about to come
Speaker 1: through with probably another anecdote. Wait, so they have movie pickles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you can buy popcorn or you can buy a
Speaker 1: pickle and like one of those big forearm sized ones. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's just like just a hand sized pickle,
Speaker 1: like like a regular size. That's lommy miles. I'm sorry, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: we need to actually can you show me a picture
Speaker 1: of what you say, because you might need to reconcile
Speaker 1: or definition this year. That's always an interesting little wrinkle.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is nationwide or if it's
Speaker 1: just California four er if I just found out about
Speaker 1: it when I got out here. But pickled halapangos come
Speaker 1: in with your corn is so great and it's an
Speaker 1: option and almost agree. You just take a little hallapeno,
Speaker 1: put it in the handful of popcorn and it really
Speaker 1: spices things up. Like literally, it's actually Irish palette handle
Speaker 1: that kind of check. My palette can handle it. The
Speaker 1: rest of my body begs to differ. I swept through
Speaker 1: my shirt the second I have a bite. But yeah,
Speaker 1: my my friend who grew up out here to turned
Speaker 1: me onto that, and I have not looked back. I've
Speaker 1: never done that and I've never noticed it. Oh, I
Speaker 1: buy a thing of nacho cheese that you're supposed to
Speaker 1: have for into the nachos, the little nacho cup, dip
Speaker 1: my popcorn in the nacho cheese. That's when I'm high.
Speaker 1: It's because and you know what, I probably never noticed
Speaker 1: the pickle llepeeno popcorn thing because I don't eat popcorn.
Speaker 1: So that's like I don't like, I know, there's no reason,
Speaker 1: like I will eat popcorns on occasions, but it's not
Speaker 1: like my go to. I'm never like, oh, I gotta
Speaker 1: have popcorn with my movie. I just like I will
Speaker 1: not eat here. I will. But you know when back when,
Speaker 1: back when I was like in my A M C
Speaker 1: A List days, I would get the chicken tender meal again,
Speaker 1: like me being a three year old became like chicken
Speaker 1: tenders and French fries in a cookie and I would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm gonna see Captain Marvel and eat
Speaker 1: my chicken tendies. There you go, Yeah, because it needs
Speaker 1: to feel a little more substantial, right than like an
Speaker 1: expensive snack. And I feel like if you're going to
Speaker 1: be paying over ten dollars something. You're like, my fucking
Speaker 1: memially eat a fucking pizza or whatever. But I like
Speaker 1: the chairman. I haven't had the chicken tendies at AMC though.
Speaker 1: The popcorn is unfortunately locked in for me as like
Speaker 1: go to a movie, I gotta have the popcorn. It
Speaker 1: makes me feel bad, Like after I eat it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just date so much food that has no nutritional value.
Speaker 1: But it's I think the question is not why someone
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat popcorn, but why we all eat popcorn? And
Speaker 1: I don't know why does popcorn get to be the
Speaker 1: movie snack. It's like why do pickles get to be pickles?
Speaker 1: Why why is popcorn movie snack? And like I wonder
Speaker 1: if in other countries they have other movie snacks that
Speaker 1: we're just not thinking of. Like if I went to
Speaker 1: a movie theater in like New Delhi and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: you want some samosas, I would suck that shut out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: Corn dogs? Y'all mentioned corn dogs earlier and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's overrated. I had a whole other thing written down.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, crossing that out corn dogs. I
Speaker 1: don't like corn dogs. I feel like the corn bread
Speaker 1: dipping is never good. It's just too thick and then
Speaker 1: mostly bland. Like I wanted to taste like good corn
Speaker 1: bread and it never does right. Right, So it's like
Speaker 1: a bad pot dog with bad corn bread, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: So step up the batter recipes so I feel like
Speaker 1: we're actually eating some really good corn bread on top,
Speaker 1: because there's nothing worse. Like I used to, I was
Speaker 1: like one of these kids who would always want to
Speaker 1: eat hot dog on a stick because I thought it
Speaker 1: would taste different the next time, and you'd always inevitably
Speaker 1: get some thick ass batter bite Like they are very overrating,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think there is there exists somewhere
Speaker 1: a really good corn dog execution. It's almost always bad
Speaker 1: in theory, maybe maybe, but we need to we need
Speaker 1: to see it. Corn dogs, You're not You're not living
Speaker 1: up to the promise, right for sure. Yeah. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: think I like because I liked corn dogs as a kid,
Speaker 1: but I would always end up like the last third
Speaker 1: I wouldn't eat. I'm like nasking too corn bread, like
Speaker 1: corny at the bottom here too thick? Yeah, I just yeah,
Speaker 1: really who please said, I'm sure, like at a fair
Speaker 1: or something where you're watching people doing fresh straight up
Speaker 1: like that, And I guess hot dog on the stick
Speaker 1: is pretty fresh too, but it's in the mall. Nothing
Speaker 1: in the mall is fresh. Yeah. Please direct me into
Speaker 1: the direct put me in the direction of the good
Speaker 1: corn dogs. Please. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's like
Speaker 1: gang we we can do that. Let it let us know,
Speaker 1: go back through the memory. Is there a good corn
Speaker 1: dog that you've had? What was different about it? Where
Speaker 1: can it be had? If you have a corn dog
Speaker 1: recipe that you like at home, dait me with that,
Speaker 1: like an air fryer corn dog recipe? That sounds good.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's possible, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: it would be good. There's a listical about where to
Speaker 1: find the best corn dog in the world, you know,
Speaker 1: where where is the best one? Two of the five
Speaker 1: are in Texas Dallas at Fletchers. They say it's really
Speaker 1: good Moonshine in Austin. These look artisanal too, like they
Speaker 1: look all floppy and ship like. I don't on have
Speaker 1: corn dog shrimp? What the fund is that? It just
Speaker 1: sounds like battered shrimp. That sounds like popular, yeah, but
Speaker 1: with a corn on it. All right, when you're picturing
Speaker 1: the good corn dog in your mind, is the corn
Speaker 1: batter like sticking to the hot dog? That's what I'm picturing. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not that like loose sleeve of no,
Speaker 1: no hollowness like corn dog gap. No fluffy corn gap,
Speaker 1: fluffy corn bread. Not like when you're saying thick. It's
Speaker 1: not like size wise is too thick. It's that it's
Speaker 1: like the batter is like to like consistently like tasty
Speaker 1: almost yeah yeah, yeah yeah, come on, almost like the
Speaker 1: corn and then it's fluffy. That's some experience I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I can only make sounds to describe it. If you're
Speaker 1: connected with that, let me know where I can have that.
Speaker 1: This is why it needs to be a video podcast.
Speaker 1: You guys could have seen miles performance of the process
Speaker 1: of eating. Please let us know if you want this
Speaker 1: to be a video podcast, so then we can. If
Speaker 1: it is, thank you for my last visit, I will no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not not this one. What is something you think is underrated? Okay,
Speaker 1: so we all know wordle right m hm, that's the
Speaker 1: thing that's separate hurdle h E A R D L
Speaker 1: E is my favorite, sort of like wordle offshoot where
Speaker 1: it's music and you have like six seconds to figure
Speaker 1: out what the song is and they give you like
Speaker 1: increasing this is huge. We we so we We've been talking.
Speaker 1: I'm a big word wordle head and quirtle and have
Speaker 1: not liked many of the variants. But then they dropped
Speaker 1: purdle on us, which is how you pronounced the NBA
Speaker 1: player who John Morant like put into a grave dunking
Speaker 1: on a few A few weeks back, wod he released
Speaker 1: like like you gotta guess the NBA player and it's
Speaker 1: got like the various like statistics are not statistics, but
Speaker 1: like team height, position, jersey number, like all these things
Speaker 1: and like fun and specific. It is fun and specific.
Speaker 1: But that game I was like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: whole there's a whole universe you could do in this
Speaker 1: format with I said, movies, but songs great, It's really great,
Speaker 1: And like I feel good about myself when I get
Speaker 1: a good hurdle score, like when I get one second,
Speaker 1: if I get one to four seconds, I feel great
Speaker 1: about myself one to four seconds. Okay, so tell me
Speaker 1: what are what are the like how how does the
Speaker 1: song reveal itself? So you get one second to start,
Speaker 1: so if you can get it in that one second,
Speaker 1: then that's your Like you get six they're six different
Speaker 1: increments of time. So like with word, you have six guesses,
Speaker 1: but they get increasingly longer. So it's total sixteen seconds. Um,
Speaker 1: so I think it's one second, and then you can
Speaker 1: add another second, and then you can add like two
Speaker 1: more seconds. And then I'm at the website. Hopefully we
Speaker 1: don't get sued, and if we do, we'll bleep it up.
Speaker 1: But this is here. Actually, this Friday is hurdle, so
Speaker 1: don't worry. Yeah, it's already passed. I've also already done today.
Speaker 1: I did it at like two in the morning. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is the site right here, and then so
Speaker 1: here's the play button and then you play it and
Speaker 1: then I'm imagining this like first segment is all that
Speaker 1: place to be, Like, okay, you added off of this
Speaker 1: and then you put it in, right, Is that how
Speaker 1: it works for? Okay, So here we go, Jack, We're
Speaker 1: gonna hear the first second. Wait, that just sounded like
Speaker 1: I just got some dead air. It sounds like a
Speaker 1: truck idling. You know what seeing it again this one,
Speaker 1: it was two guesses for me. The second guest, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need another one, so would I do skip
Speaker 1: one's plus one? Second? Is that gives give us a
Speaker 1: little more? Oh? Fuck yeah, okay, forget it. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is okay, I have a new obsession, right, it's fun seconds. Okay,
Speaker 1: they really fuck you? Really? I know this all right,
Speaker 1: forget it. This is this freak ahead and like the
Speaker 1: whole show is going to be like, do you want
Speaker 1: me to tell you what the song was? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: is it? It's Harder, Better, faster, Stronger by Daft Punk. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this game it doesn't really sound like a car idling.
Speaker 1: You know what, mom, if you're listening, she's not. But
Speaker 1: this is what this is why I watched Daft Hands
Speaker 1: so many times for this moment. That's actually the fact
Speaker 1: that you got that on two pretty wild, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's the best part of like word all two is
Speaker 1: when you get the word quickly and you're kind of
Speaker 1: like surprised by yourself. You're like, whoa, my brain my
Speaker 1: first word al I got on my second guess, my
Speaker 1: ever wordle, and I was like, oh, I can't do
Speaker 1: heroin because this feels too good and I'm gonna chase
Speaker 1: this for the rest of my life. Is Hurdle the
Speaker 1: always the first seconds? Like does it always open with
Speaker 1: the opening of the song? Yes, it does, which is
Speaker 1: sometimes very annoying. Yeah, that can be really got to know, okay,
Speaker 1: I got I want to dance with somebody in one second.
Speaker 1: And I was with my mother when I played it.
Speaker 1: She was like, that sounds like firecrackers. How do you
Speaker 1: know what song that is right right right, because it's
Speaker 1: got that like that goes that comes in hot right yeah,
Speaker 1: with some drums and then oh yeah, look at you.
Speaker 1: So I have a soft pitch on Hurdle that this
Speaker 1: seems simple and perfect, But is there is there a
Speaker 1: world where you get clues about like the year the
Speaker 1: song came out, the genre of music that the song
Speaker 1: is from, and then the audio clue is like the
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth one. I like that, that's a soft pitch.
Speaker 1: That's what That's kind of what I had in mind
Speaker 1: for the movie version Hurdle plus there you go. Anyways,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for introducing us to Hurdle. You're
Speaker 1: welcome and shout out to um. There's a like there's
Speaker 1: some hardcore I Carly fans follow me on Twitter and
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all, I don't talk about it Carly ever,
Speaker 1: so any news that you wrote, I'm so scared of
Speaker 1: getting sued, and I'm like, I'm not going to talk
Speaker 1: about that show ever publicly. Um, But one of the
Speaker 1: like hardcore fans, he and I follow each other. We're mutuals.
Speaker 1: He's very nice, uh named Nathan, and I found out
Speaker 1: about it from him. So shout out to Nathan Duarte
Speaker 1: for that one. Okay, okay, shout out Nathan, and also
Speaker 1: maybe check out dailyza Geist where we where we thank
Speaker 1: Nathan in a while. Fans to come on, bro. I
Speaker 1: know we didn't work on I Carley, but we know
Speaker 1: people that did like Coma and Lacey so like she's
Speaker 1: underrated that I feel the world is gonna fully begin
Speaker 1: to appreciate her in the next two couple of years. Here,
Speaker 1: I feel like that the ascent is undeniable at the moment,
Speaker 1: underrated than she was she was. She's less underrated than
Speaker 1: she was a day ago, but still underrated. I thought
Speaker 1: lazy Flowers last week, like I truly love Lacey amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break, we'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. And so this I'll tell you my
Speaker 1: my first response to this news story, it is stand
Speaker 1: or time. The thing we actually need to embrace permanently
Speaker 1: was the Sunshine Protection Act passed by the Senate unanimously
Speaker 1: last week. Was that, like, should we have thought that through?
Speaker 1: My first reaction was like, oh, fuck you, Like this
Speaker 1: is one this is a thing that everybody was happy about.
Speaker 1: Do we have to have the backlash? And it's also
Speaker 1: my oh fuck you. I was coming from a place,
Speaker 1: a selfish place, because I just do like having the
Speaker 1: additional sunlight at the end of the day. However, the
Speaker 1: the other major deciding factor in what kind of life
Speaker 1: I'm living, and also like how how I interact with
Speaker 1: the clock is that I have young children and it
Speaker 1: has been held trying to get them to go to
Speaker 1: sleep when the sun is still in the sky. They
Speaker 1: and they're they're sleep is all fucked up. So enter
Speaker 1: the push for standard time. Yeah, I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of experts are like, why the fund did you pick
Speaker 1: daylight savings over standard because we've talked about this on
Speaker 1: the show a lot about how daylight savings causes a
Speaker 1: lot of issues like in general people, they fucking lose sleep,
Speaker 1: so naturally, like nearly everybody on the planet or and
Speaker 1: the place that's observing daylight savings is beginning to get
Speaker 1: sleep deprived, stress levels go up. It's like, it's like
Speaker 1: a quantifiable metric to see that heart attacks and strokes
Speaker 1: increase the week following daylight savings time, and in that
Speaker 1: same period there's a six percent increase in fatal car accidents.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be like, Yeah, this is like
Speaker 1: it sucks us up when we just say, wake up
Speaker 1: in the darkness. Well, here's my question, though I'm not
Speaker 1: questioning the science. I'm not questioning the of research that's
Speaker 1: been done. I believe that there are is a quantifiable
Speaker 1: uptick in all of those negative health issues. But is
Speaker 1: that because of the change or is that because of
Speaker 1: the time itself. Because if we just stick with one time,
Speaker 1: whatever that time is, is it possible ball that we
Speaker 1: won't have those issues. Yeah, that's always been my thesis,
Speaker 1: is that it's the change. It's changing the clock a
Speaker 1: whole hour fox with people. So I yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: and I don't think the claim here is that like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just because daylight savings time is evil and that's
Speaker 1: why there are these things it. I think everybody has
Speaker 1: assumed that just like this is this is because of
Speaker 1: the change, the losing one hour of sleep. But the
Speaker 1: I think the point that's being made is that if
Speaker 1: you're going to choose between the two daylight savings, is
Speaker 1: not making darker earlier like in the morning, or don't
Speaker 1: start the day and darkness. Because I think the other
Speaker 1: thing that they point is like evolutionarily, we've just been
Speaker 1: designed to be like where's the sunhead and then and
Speaker 1: move with that, and so our our circadian rhythms are
Speaker 1: tied to that. So by saying uh funk that you're
Speaker 1: going to you're going an hour early, our bodies still know.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's where the problems come up, as
Speaker 1: where the clock time and our internal clock time are
Speaker 1: not on the same ship. And so you know, they
Speaker 1: also talk about teens, how like adolescents already have like
Speaker 1: a natural delay like in their sleep patterns already, like
Speaker 1: because of their growth and things like that. So waking
Speaker 1: up in darkness by going in our head, if they
Speaker 1: wake up in darkness, it actually makes it harder for
Speaker 1: them to get to sleep on time, and again you
Speaker 1: map all those other concerns about stress levels going up,
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation, this and also that leads to depression. This
Speaker 1: has again a lot of like child development people have
Speaker 1: been pointing to this really alarming trend. They said in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, one in three high school students and half
Speaker 1: of female students reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness,
Speaker 1: which is at increase of tooth from two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: So they're saying, if we're already dealing with this, making
Speaker 1: kids wake up earlier is only going to exacerbate this,
Speaker 1: or we're not, it's not, it's not going to help them.
Speaker 1: If it is, then we need to push back what
Speaker 1: time school starts, right, which is it shouldn't be well,
Speaker 1: this is what time school always starts. Funk, what's in
Speaker 1: the sky gets your ass to school? And then the
Speaker 1: other arguments about like we'll do like in politicians like
Speaker 1: dowaylight saving time, it's actually we're gonna add more sunlight
Speaker 1: to the day. Well, it's not you're gonna add more
Speaker 1: sunlight to the day. That's not how that fucking works.
Speaker 1: But just for a science explainer, so you can sound
Speaker 1: really smart at your dinner party this week, because that's
Speaker 1: what we all do. We all go to dinner parties
Speaker 1: our friends and talk about the New Yorker and our
Speaker 1: French salons, but doing a hurdle in the parlor. This
Speaker 1: is from this Atlantic article saying, quote, because of the
Speaker 1: Earth's till, the sun spends less time above the horizon. No,
Speaker 1: this is actually sorry, this from the New York Times. Quote,
Speaker 1: because of the Earth's till, the sun spends less time
Speaker 1: above the horizon during winter, which means we have shorter
Speaker 1: daylight hours year round. Daylight savings time would only shift
Speaker 1: daylight from the morning to the evening, meaning the sun
Speaker 1: would rise and set an hour later than we're used
Speaker 1: to from November to March. And again they're saying this
Speaker 1: really needs to be considered because of all of like
Speaker 1: the timing effects that it has on people. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, while it is nice to have that extra
Speaker 1: hour of the day, the right at the Atlantic, Heather
Speaker 1: Turgeon positive, like, I wonder if business interest groups thought
Speaker 1: it's better to do daylight savings time so if it's
Speaker 1: lighter towards the end of the day, people will consume
Speaker 1: more and you know, and actually patronized businesses more because
Speaker 1: there's more sun having done no research, that sounds like
Speaker 1: America that does. Yeah, that sounds just about And the
Speaker 1: fact that it was unanimous across both parties. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you see, that's where the government really fucked up. They
Speaker 1: showed us that they can get along, right, and now
Speaker 1: we're gonna want that. Yeah right, well, and think you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: That's what that was about it because all of our donors, like,
Speaker 1: the one thing all of our donors aligned on was
Speaker 1: give us more daylight for people to buy more ship
Speaker 1: And you see it in the sentiment a lot of
Speaker 1: people have that we're celebrating this. A lot of people like, great,
Speaker 1: I have more daylight at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: which I get it's more energizing. I don't really have
Speaker 1: an opinion either way, but when I look at these
Speaker 1: concerns that are raised, I'm like, oh, those are valid
Speaker 1: because I feel I was dead tired this last week
Speaker 1: just trying to just so. Yeah, it does seem like
Speaker 1: we we all got swept up in it. I assumed,
Speaker 1: based on nothing that someone was doing the research to
Speaker 1: be like this is the better of the two. Turns
Speaker 1: out not so much, but also didn't California do this already?
Speaker 1: I think Arizona might have. Arizona and Hawaii don't funk
Speaker 1: with it. We voted on this already in California and
Speaker 1: they're just doing a federal version because I remember having
Speaker 1: all these discussions like a couple of years ago during
Speaker 1: the term elections, because there was some proposition that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you just want to like not change time? And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I want to change time. That
Speaker 1: sounds great, right, Yeah. I wonder if that, like how
Speaker 1: popular that proposition and any others were, gave them the
Speaker 1: idea of like, all right, well we can just throw
Speaker 1: this through and getting easy quick when in in Congress
Speaker 1: and make it seem like Congress has done something. I
Speaker 1: wonder how how many midterm elections they're gonna be throwing
Speaker 1: this out there. We got you another day of daylight
Speaker 1: of oh you guys don't like the sunlight? Okay, okay, communist,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think again, anything that comes out of
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio off Marco Rubio's desk, I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: so which interest group wrote this one? Right? I mean,
Speaker 1: like any fucking senator to be honest, But yeah, especially
Speaker 1: when Marco Rubio is like championing it. I'm like, it
Speaker 1: really raises the case for you know, you're in You're
Speaker 1: in the Sunshine State. I can imagine that business interest
Speaker 1: groups in that state are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, more
Speaker 1: Sunshine for make more money spend by people. Yeah, more Disney.
Speaker 1: Although when are they going to do the fireworks? Why
Speaker 1: are they gonna do the fireworks? Think of fantasmic? Will
Speaker 1: you people? Do they even do fantasmic? I think they do.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Disney, I couldn't not think of Maui from
Speaker 1: I Wanna doing that You're welcome like rap I. I
Speaker 1: just had this like horrible vision of Marco Rubio doing
Speaker 1: that like for his next election ad cosplazes mathe rabbit
Speaker 1: like telling people you're welcome for the sun in the sky.
Speaker 1: I can believe it. Oh yeah, I could definitely see
Speaker 1: that ship. I can see Marco Rodyo calling himself an
Speaker 1: ordinary Demi guy. Just anyways, great song, Marco Rubio, Please
Speaker 1: stay the funk away from it. You have kids. You
Speaker 1: probably heard that song like a million times. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's up there. It's it's near the top of
Speaker 1: the charts of the past four or five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this Gray's Anatomy writer story. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of a wild story, but it's it's definitely something
Speaker 1: that you see happen on the internet everywhere. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: this idea of people being taking a little bit from
Speaker 1: here and they're spicing up their own life to maybe
Speaker 1: ascend in your job or make yourself more interesting or
Speaker 1: Gardner sympathy. But there's this writer Elizabeth Finch, who has
Speaker 1: written on Gray's Anatomy since has also been on like
Speaker 1: written on shows like Vampire Diaries, True Blood, you know,
Speaker 1: like established writers are all my shows. Also, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've been with this woman. Yeah. My toxic trait is
Speaker 1: that if I'm hanging out with you and we are
Speaker 1: near a television, I'm going to ask you, hey, do
Speaker 1: you want to watch the pilot of True Blood? And
Speaker 1: you're gonna say no, what, I'm gonna make you do
Speaker 1: it anywhere. I love that energy where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: if we get high. Karam was going to be like,
Speaker 1: do you want to watch the pilot of True Blood
Speaker 1: called Stone Call? It's reminding me of me who would
Speaker 1: be like, hey, man, you want to watch City of
Speaker 1: God in like two thousand five. Yeah, every time, or
Speaker 1: the pilot of the Shield. But like, true Blood is
Speaker 1: my show, and she was the writer's assistant on True
Speaker 1: Blood before she was a writer on True Bloods and
Speaker 1: she's been with that show, and I like, I was
Speaker 1: with her the whole time, for the whole ride there.
Speaker 1: And I recently rewatched all eight seasons of The Vampire Diaries,
Speaker 1: so yeah, and I am two episodes behind on Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1: So I've watched eight teen seasons of Grey's Anatomy. So
Speaker 1: this I'm I'm really upset with Elizabeth right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you Are you familiar with Elizabeth before this story broke,
Speaker 1: Like did you know her as an I did not
Speaker 1: know her as a name, But when the story broke
Speaker 1: and I looked up, I was like, I know her work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're everywhere. I want to be like your MasterCard or
Speaker 1: visa or whatever that thing is. But so when right
Speaker 1: before she was about to start Gray's, you know, she
Speaker 1: she was saying that she had been through a lot
Speaker 1: of health stuff, and in the writer's room had mentioned
Speaker 1: she's been through a lot, had a very turbulent medical history,
Speaker 1: which the writer's room naturally, you know, Gray's Anatomy will
Speaker 1: take ship from real life, inspired by real life, and
Speaker 1: put it into the show, and her stories were not
Speaker 1: an exception. They heard a lot of the anecdotes that
Speaker 1: she had and we're like, wow, can we use some
Speaker 1: of this for the show. And this is from one
Speaker 1: of the write ups, They said, quote. Despite being just
Speaker 1: forty four years old, Finch has seemingly endured a lifetime
Speaker 1: of ailments and suffering, which helped transform her into an
Speaker 1: icon of the show. She was diagnosed with a rare
Speaker 1: form of bone cancer the year before Gray's hired her.
Speaker 1: She went through several brutal rounds of chemo, which forced
Speaker 1: her to unfortunately have an abortion. She lost a kidney
Speaker 1: and part of her leg, and then was required to
Speaker 1: have a knee replacement surgery surgery, only to later learn
Speaker 1: that she had been misdiagnosed by a doctor whom she
Speaker 1: later confronted. And she's been very upfront about this, She's
Speaker 1: written like multiple essays in places like l magazine or
Speaker 1: like the Shonda Shonda land website. But things got went
Speaker 1: a little bit sideways when all of a sudden, her
Speaker 1: wife contacted Shawonda Land in ABC too said I think
Speaker 1: my wife maybe being a bit duplicitous about like what
Speaker 1: she's telling you. Also, this all happened because like during
Speaker 1: while the Finch was working on Gray's said that they
Speaker 1: had to leave for a pressing family emergency that day
Speaker 1: and couldn't work, so that her coworkers, concerned, phoned her
Speaker 1: wife asked what was happening. They mentioned like what Finch
Speaker 1: had told them, and her wife said that the details
Speaker 1: of what her like what Finch said to the writers
Speaker 1: that Grays was eerily similar to her her own very
Speaker 1: specific medical troubles. That's part that gets me because just
Speaker 1: say this happened to your wife. Just say that it
Speaker 1: happened to your wife. That's what's so wild, And you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I want you could you have just as much
Speaker 1: proximity as a writer. I'm sure other writers would trust
Speaker 1: you to be like, oh, you lived through supporting a
Speaker 1: person going through this. You didn't just read an article.
Speaker 1: Please give us some musable, you know, like something that
Speaker 1: we can we can actually inspire the writing on the show.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's odd. So right now Finch has been
Speaker 1: put on leave and the people aren't quite sure. But
Speaker 1: the wife is said because of this, like fault like
Speaker 1: what's happened. She's like now going through a quote acrimonious divorce.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, if true, you truly are like,
Speaker 1: what was good point of that? But I get to
Speaker 1: in some creative environment, maybe just very misguidedly, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna make me like indispensable to the show,
Speaker 1: or this will really help me be someone who needs
Speaker 1: to be part of the show and you know, help
Speaker 1: me in my career. But damn. What's what's wild is
Speaker 1: it feels like she doesn't know the show because of
Speaker 1: the fact that she decided if she did lie, if
Speaker 1: this is true, she decided to lie and say that
Speaker 1: it was her instead of her wife. Because the show
Speaker 1: is about relationships. The show is about the relationships that
Speaker 1: you build up your coworkers with your patients with like
Speaker 1: romantic relationships. It's about people. It's not just about the medicine.
Speaker 1: And having somebody who spouses going through this and who,
Speaker 1: like say Meredith main character the Gray herself. She sees
Speaker 1: somebody who's spouses going through this and it reminds her
Speaker 1: of when her husband Derek died in like season twelve
Speaker 1: or whenever he died. That that is a story that
Speaker 1: is I think very compelling. I would watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this isn't a compelling character for any medical drama.
Speaker 1: Is somebody who takes the medical history of a loved
Speaker 1: one for like selfish purposes. That ship would be I
Speaker 1: can see that. I don't watch a ton of grays.
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of like medical dramas that like
Speaker 1: How Scrubs, like all the all those shows like so
Speaker 1: you know, where the patient is revealed to like be
Speaker 1: having like sympathetic ailments based on the ailments of a
Speaker 1: loved one. The other wild thing is just the it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting like almost like psychological drama of being
Speaker 1: the spouse and like putting these clues together as Dawn's
Speaker 1: on you Kaiser, so's like the end of Usual Suspects style.
Speaker 1: You're just like, what the fuck? And then you like
Speaker 1: go and reread the article that they wrote on it.
Speaker 1: You read that ship. They're like, Noah, you don't need
Speaker 1: to read that. You don't need to read that ship. Also,
Speaker 1: you're like, hold up this character on Graze, that's the
Speaker 1: ship that happened to me with the knee replacement and
Speaker 1: the misdiagnosis that's in It's like Yeah, I told him
Speaker 1: about you, baby, That's what I told him about. Something
Speaker 1: feels funky here, like there more to this story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I think is odd because the idea that
Speaker 1: you're publishing multiple essays, like all the articles say like
Speaker 1: she's been very vocal about her experiences. So that's why
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, how like is this something? Is this
Speaker 1: more of a divorce? And then their people are weaponizing
Speaker 1: different facts against each other all to say messy place.
Speaker 1: But it's just yeah, it feels very early in the
Speaker 1: story for the Hollywood reporter to be reporting it, to
Speaker 1: be honest, because it's like they just were replaced. They
Speaker 1: were just placed on ministry of leave to pending the investigation.
Speaker 1: And it is a story based on around an acrimonious divorce,
Speaker 1: which those are always real tricky. Yeah. Well, and also
Speaker 1: like it's an issue with medical records, so it is
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult for them to do a
Speaker 1: full investigation because you can't just say, like give us
Speaker 1: all your medical records. Those are private. That's a real
Speaker 1: hipo violration, right. But we did want to I did
Speaker 1: want to talk about it because I feel like this
Speaker 1: is something like have you guys ever had somebody who
Speaker 1: you knew through like an online community who had a
Speaker 1: like big medical drama that turned out to not be true.
Speaker 1: Is that ever happened to you. Oh, I've seen from
Speaker 1: a far like people lie about like a thing, but
Speaker 1: never like person only where I'm like, damn, I can't
Speaker 1: believe they lied about all that ship. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a story we see a lot or
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I feel like random fandoms will be like
Speaker 1: this guy lied about all like everything, Like okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened back at cracked as pretty wild. Yeah yeah, yeah. No.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been in that specific experience.
Speaker 1: I have been a part of a lot of large
Speaker 1: online groups where people have lied about stuff, but never
Speaker 1: like health stuff, usually financial stuff. And I was in
Speaker 1: this big Facebook group in l A called Girls Night
Speaker 1: Out and it's like the worst kept secret Facebook group
Speaker 1: in the world and it's for women. It's that like
Speaker 1: twenty thousand members, and one of the main leaders of
Speaker 1: that group she ended up getting ousted because she was
Speaker 1: like in June, she was getting donations from people on
Speaker 1: Venmo and she said that she was going to be
Speaker 1: like redistributing them to women of color. And then people
Speaker 1: were like, show us the receipts and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I will. And then some hours for these receipts and
Speaker 1: materialized and they had just been purchased, like it was
Speaker 1: like she had just sent the money. There was some
Speaker 1: shady financial stuff going on. And she had also said
Speaker 1: that she wanted like money for new protests sneakers, and
Speaker 1: people were like, you can get your own sneakers, sneak.
Speaker 1: Big swing there, I need new protests sneakers. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like wow, bless them, bless all of them. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about some other stuff. And we're back, and n f
Speaker 1: T s continue to be a thing. So Pepe, Peppe
Speaker 1: the Frog is back in the news. The Pepe n
Speaker 1: f T so JM. I writer, but put it, Combining
Speaker 1: Pepe the Frog with n f T S is like
Speaker 1: putting ax body spray on dean cane. It's like putting,
Speaker 1: you know, a garbage scented hat on top of another
Speaker 1: garbage scented heat. Yeah. I thought I thought that was apt. Okay, sure, Pepe,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure the artist loves that. M hmm, Well
Speaker 1: so the artist, So they had these things called sad
Speaker 1: frogs that were issued like at the earlier in the
Speaker 1: n f T thing, I guess last August, and they
Speaker 1: looked suspiciously like Peppe, and they had made four million
Speaker 1: dollars from a median price of four dred and fifty
Speaker 1: dollars per sad frog. And Pepe's creator, who has been
Speaker 1: you know, heralded for taking white supremacist to court to
Speaker 1: reclaim his character, got got the sad frogs taken down
Speaker 1: and was made right, yeah, and then they came back
Speaker 1: at him and claimed, you know, will like issued a
Speaker 1: counter suit. But then like the main thing they did
Speaker 1: was they issued a counter notice, didn't include a mailing address,
Speaker 1: and signed it Vladimir Vladimirovitch, which happens to be the
Speaker 1: first and middle name of Vladimir Putin. And so that's
Speaker 1: I don't know, who knows if they're just trying to
Speaker 1: like posture like there intimidating or something. But as we're
Speaker 1: going to talk to talk about, like there is a
Speaker 1: real tendency for these n f T s. Once the
Speaker 1: money and the value goes unregulated at all of a
Speaker 1: sudden starts trickling to the right for some reason, but
Speaker 1: also so the last we had heard of the guy
Speaker 1: who originally drew Pepe, he was like kind of this
Speaker 1: hero who's like getting the frog taken away from the
Speaker 1: white supremacist. But now he is like getting into the
Speaker 1: n f T business, auctioning off an early Pepe a
Speaker 1: cartoon for around one million dollars, launched a d A
Speaker 1: O so limited edition, and f T tokens for as
Speaker 1: much as twenty dollars, a piece which garnered criticism because
Speaker 1: people were like, well, who do you think is buying those? Man?
Speaker 1: Like who what? What community do you think is funding
Speaker 1: your community fund? Right? And then things took an even
Speaker 1: weirder turn when he auctioned off an image that's in
Speaker 1: the document that we all can have the pleasure of
Speaker 1: looking at. That is a nude Pepe next to a waterfall.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to look at that. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 1: you're good. But a dummy thing. Yeah he kind of has.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to look at it. I mean it's
Speaker 1: Pepe is arching that back. Oh here's my question, is
Speaker 1: that that image that we just looked at with the
Speaker 1: waterfall and the Pepe, that's that is an m f
Speaker 1: T that exists it is a one of one hundred.
Speaker 1: So the plan was they were going to auction one
Speaker 1: off that was the one that would be individually owned,
Speaker 1: right n f T s of the same image, so
Speaker 1: just you know jpeg. But then because we have it,
Speaker 1: we have it for free right now. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: get I believe we have it in our Google doc
Speaker 1: right now. Hopefully the n f T please don't like
Speaker 1: break down our door, but we'll delete it later, right yeah,
Speaker 1: I promise, we promise we'll delete it. And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the thing that I don't get about n f T s.
Speaker 1: Like I I understand. I know what an n f
Speaker 1: T is. I know that it's ins for non fungible token.
Speaker 1: I get that you are the certified owner of a
Speaker 1: piece of art. But like, I don't understand n f
Speaker 1: T s. I don't understand why they are big and
Speaker 1: why I can't just copy paste the jpeg, Like I
Speaker 1: know that it's stealing, but I can do that, So,
Speaker 1: like why why is the value so high? It's like
Speaker 1: it's all these things, Like there's like in right now,
Speaker 1: there's this company called Socios which is trying to get
Speaker 1: sock or fans to buy things called fan tokens where
Speaker 1: they're trying to be like, and this is you like
Speaker 1: giving access to your favorite soccer club by buying a
Speaker 1: fan token. You can trade them with other ones and
Speaker 1: they have value. All it is. It's really just trying
Speaker 1: to normalize people getting using crypto. That's really what the
Speaker 1: that's the underlying thing about n f t s are
Speaker 1: it's like, well, ship and not enough people give a
Speaker 1: funk about investing in crypto. What if we start saying
Speaker 1: these little pictures you can buy that's an investment now,
Speaker 1: And that's a way to get people to start saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: well it's this much ethereum or this much bitcoin or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's a gateway into sort of understanding crypto better,
Speaker 1: just to bring more people into the crypto crypto bubble basically,
Speaker 1: and you have things that make it sort of appealing
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, you might not care about crypto,
Speaker 1: but what if you bought this fan token for Manchester
Speaker 1: United and now you've you've used a little bit of crypto,
Speaker 1: you're understanding, Oh, I can sell this to someone else.
Speaker 1: But again, all of these n f t s rely
Speaker 1: on the idea that you don't have ship unless you
Speaker 1: find somebody who's willing to ay more than you did
Speaker 1: for the ship that you have because it's not a
Speaker 1: tangible good or service. So you're relying on like this,
Speaker 1: this like hype market to keep ship going in and
Speaker 1: keep your ship profitable. And I think that's like what
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, many you know they
Speaker 1: call null coiners who are like big crypto skeptics. Is
Speaker 1: is big crypto people call them are just pointing the
Speaker 1: fact is like this gives you nothing, This is like
Speaker 1: this is regulative investment. Yeah, And you know, again, I
Speaker 1: think for all the reasons why people say it could
Speaker 1: work decentralized, you know, like it's not tied to a
Speaker 1: central like a government like federal agency or something like that,
Speaker 1: all you see are the bad instances of it, or
Speaker 1: that they're just many bad actors who are scamming and
Speaker 1: using it to potentially, you know, hide ill gotten gains,
Speaker 1: and you're only seeing the bad elements of it now,
Speaker 1: and most people like, yeah, can you can see the potential,
Speaker 1: But what we have right now is not it's potential.
Speaker 1: We're seeing the worst of it. And you know, markets
Speaker 1: can be controlled by put aventually a few hands, like
Speaker 1: a small handful of people that were not really aware
Speaker 1: of because we don't know who owns most of the ship. Also,
Speaker 1: it's really bad for the environment. That's the I remember
Speaker 1: I told my mom because my mom was talking about, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this project with somebody and it's
Speaker 1: going to be an n f T and I was like, Okay, Mom,
Speaker 1: I don't think you know this, so I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you n f T s are actually really bad for
Speaker 1: the environment. I could hear her brain working. She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand. It's not a thing I can touch.
Speaker 1: So how is it bad for the environment Because all
Speaker 1: these people minting coins are mining coins all that energy
Speaker 1: that it takes, and that's the other thing. And now
Speaker 1: you have the other part is where two people are
Speaker 1: just making their own coins because just basically just redistribute wealth,
Speaker 1: being like, hey, I got my dummy followers to pay
Speaker 1: a bunch of money for a coin that isn't gonna
Speaker 1: be worth ship. But guess what now I have all
Speaker 1: the fucking money. All right, It's worked out for me.
Speaker 1: So the way I worked with this Fury guy who
Speaker 1: originally drew Pepe, he drew this made a hundred of
Speaker 1: these n f t s of Naked Pepe said, I'm
Speaker 1: only releasing one that one person paid five hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for that, and then you could scamp two kids
Speaker 1: into UFC for five dollars exactly. And then the doll
Speaker 1: later released forty six of f t s for free.
Speaker 1: So now the auction winner is suing Fury, claiming that
Speaker 1: the free n f t s have diminished the value
Speaker 1: of his n f T and like, but this is
Speaker 1: this is the thing with and then it's like, but
Speaker 1: the whole point of this is that it's unregulated, and
Speaker 1: so it makes it very complicated. And and again, just
Speaker 1: to reiterate the thing allegedly being devalued, here is an
Speaker 1: erotic jpeg of racism's cartoon mascot. But like, on a
Speaker 1: broader scale, there's this article in Jacobin about how you know,
Speaker 1: because one of the design features of crypto and n
Speaker 1: f t s and all bitcoin is that like it's
Speaker 1: not something that can be regulated. It's not something that
Speaker 1: is regulated basically, and like that's something that sounds great
Speaker 1: because we're like, well, the like big banks are like
Speaker 1: have all this power and determine like who gets to
Speaker 1: borrow money, and like there's all sorts of funked up
Speaker 1: ship that happens when you get big, powerful institutions involved
Speaker 1: with money, and the idea is like we get we
Speaker 1: this gets things outside of those like outside of the
Speaker 1: hands of the existing power players. Is like one of
Speaker 1: the pitches on on crypto. I mean, but like public
Speaker 1: banks are also a thing that would actually benefit the
Speaker 1: people to vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't about community banking now, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no crypto, metaverse, metaverse, real estate made the computer and
Speaker 1: so old. Whenever somebody talks about anything related to Web three,
Speaker 1: I was just like, I didn't know. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know we were on Web two. I thought we all
Speaker 1: had one webbing one web. Well, well that's how I feel,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I think that's a
Speaker 1: design feature to make people feel old and dumb because
Speaker 1: it like doesn't make sense, but it gets like it
Speaker 1: gets people investing because there is this one sort of
Speaker 1: value proposition, which is it's unregulated and it like has
Speaker 1: a token that is not going to be replicated, so
Speaker 1: and that is yours. It's an Internet like based or
Speaker 1: a digital based token like, so that is the thing.
Speaker 1: But then it's surrounded by all these like clouds and
Speaker 1: clouds of intricate market dynamics that are just the same
Speaker 1: as the other market dynamics that make banking like you know, lopsided.
Speaker 1: And also the other issue is like if you've ever
Speaker 1: been on a forum that's not moderated, like sounds great
Speaker 1: in theory, we can say whatever we want get in there,
Speaker 1: it's almost always nazis. Almost always nazis just almost always
Speaker 1: a very hostile place for anyone who is not like
Speaker 1: just a brutal, like misogynist. And hope for the future
Speaker 1: is that we get unregulated message boards where it's all
Speaker 1: people sharing like bread recipes like that. That's what I want.
Speaker 1: I want that like happy like British bake off, unregulates board, right,
Speaker 1: rather than nude peppi and racial slurs being blasted everything
Speaker 1: like no thank you, just bread. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the a lot of donations that are being made to
Speaker 1: Ukraine right now are being made in crypto, and like,
Speaker 1: again that seemed like in theory cool, in practice, that
Speaker 1: actually makes it easier for Russian oligarchs to get their
Speaker 1: hands on the money, since the entire point of crypto
Speaker 1: is to be free from the sorts of regulations that
Speaker 1: are being used to put them financially. And another detail
Speaker 1: that I hadn't realized is that crypto is largely mined
Speaker 1: in Russian border countries that are like former Soviet nations,
Speaker 1: and there's a long history of the profits going to
Speaker 1: right wing dictators or right wing you know, militias. The
Speaker 1: profits go to them. The work is being extracted from
Speaker 1: the people. And also the energy grids. There was I
Speaker 1: think kazakhstand head like these massive uprisings because their energy
Speaker 1: grid kept going down because of all of the crypto
Speaker 1: being mined there, and like people died in those and
Speaker 1: it's a hundred and sixty four people were killed falling
Speaker 1: protested by the energy crisis in Kazakhstan. And that's of
Speaker 1: the energy produced locally, mainly with coal, is used to
Speaker 1: mind bitcoin. So it's like the people are having value
Speaker 1: extracted from them in very dangerous ways and then it
Speaker 1: ends up flowing to you know, like I I don't
Speaker 1: think it's an accident that the like white supremacist Pepe
Speaker 1: n f T people who got mad that they got
Speaker 1: shut down signed their thing as Vladimir Vladimir Vich like
Speaker 1: there it seems like, you know, the this article in
Speaker 1: jack Ben, which will link off to, does a good
Speaker 1: job of just outlining all the ways that history has
Speaker 1: shown that crypto enthusiasts tend to support. They they say
Speaker 1: TikTok despots and the things go to the right generally
Speaker 1: ISIS operations have been fund to Taliban and Afghanistan, uh
Speaker 1: tyrannical president and now style the door in Ethiopia, Kazakhstan
Speaker 1: and Putin like a Putin wingman from Belarus has also
Speaker 1: been Yeah, it has also been calling on his countrymend
Speaker 1: to my bitcoin for economic development. Again though like very old,
Speaker 1: very funny that you mean, I'm just like, practically, how
Speaker 1: do you get that money? Like if I send if
Speaker 1: I send money to Ukraine for people to seek refuge,
Speaker 1: what are they doing with that money? How are they
Speaker 1: getting actual money that they can spend on things like
Speaker 1: I don't know, bread, a thing that I'm obsessed with today. Apparently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they mine the coins and then I think,
Speaker 1: you know that coin has value, but they're usually mining
Speaker 1: it for someone and nobody. But I'm saying, if you're
Speaker 1: sending it to another wallet, they can they can like
Speaker 1: liquidate it so it turns to cash. It has cash value,
Speaker 1: that's an exchange like on like coin base or these
Speaker 1: other places. That's where you trade the that's where you
Speaker 1: trade it, and that's why it's all. The other thing
Speaker 1: though too is like even you know, they have said
Speaker 1: that like bigger coin exchanges have followed like the sanctions,
Speaker 1: so it's definitely not easy for oligarch to move like
Speaker 1: tons of money because like big coins like big cooin
Speaker 1: and in Ethereum or like public enough, they'd be like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's a massive amount of like funds moving around that
Speaker 1: people would be able to see pretty clearly. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. There's just all these things point to not great.
Speaker 1: And also like when you even look at like board
Speaker 1: the board ape thing we talked about how the person
Speaker 1: who was designing those, a lot of extremist people who
Speaker 1: are like very versed in semiotics are like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like Nazi ship in this board a B
Speaker 1: n F T and we're like no, no, And you know, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you have people like fucking Paris Hilton and Jimmy Fallon,
Speaker 1: like you know, fucking for them as the crowd like
Speaker 1: treats it like like they just revealed a puppy that
Speaker 1: that is still the weirdest, like kind of crystallization of
Speaker 1: the weird fucking moment that we're in culturally is. But
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it yet, just go watch Harris
Speaker 1: Hilton on Fallon where they're revealing their board apes to
Speaker 1: each other and the crowdy is like huh but then
Speaker 1: trying to being encouraged to do. Yeah. There's just this
Speaker 1: quote here though, I just want to read that kind
Speaker 1: of sums it all up. Jackson Palmer, co creator of
Speaker 1: doge coin, which is a top ten cryptocurrency, used to
Speaker 1: be a joke now like literally a top ten cryptocurrency,
Speaker 1: describes it this way, says, after years of studying it,
Speaker 1: I believe that cryptocurrency is an inherently right wing, hyper
Speaker 1: capitalistic technology built primarily to amplify the wealth of its
Speaker 1: proponents through a combination of tax a woudance, diminished regulatory oversight,
Speaker 1: and artificially enforced scarcity. Like I feel like that from
Speaker 1: the dog's lips. Yeah, yeah, much scary, very capitalist. Yeah uh, well,
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Speaker 1: can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles every Also
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Speaker 1: Dazzle tweeted, my sixty nine year old dad just asked
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Speaker 1: Leon from to Thousan fifteen Socrates, I'm wiser than this man.
Speaker 1: He fancies he knows something although he knows nothing. Darryl
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Speaker 1: Socrates at a friend named Darryl. And then I'll just
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Speaker 1: it's all good. Every time I'm there, they say I'm Arab,
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