Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, seventy six,
Speaker 1: episode four. Nah, it's episode five of Daily Said Guys
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Speaker 1: where we take a deep dive into America's share consciousness.
Speaker 1: It is Friday, March nineteen. My name is Jack O'Brien
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Speaker 1: That's not the point now, And cold gas gets st
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Speaker 1: gas cooks my roast uneven. Still not the point now,
Speaker 1: second degree, So as side prevention, that's why it's bad. Now,
Speaker 1: did it beat? Did eat? Beat it up? Beat? But
Speaker 1: abadabadabad courtesy. That's russel and I'm throwing it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still He's stuck it on there, baby, he put
Speaker 1: it on there. I'm thrilled to be joined as always,
Speaker 1: buy my co host, Mr Miles Grad. I'm a joker.
Speaker 1: I'm a poker from my PS controller, I speak of
Speaker 1: the incompetence of God. Yeah, hey, angry, I smoke weed
Speaker 1: and I throw a PlayStation controllers in the government facts.
Speaker 1: That's all there. Thanks Steve Miller. More importantly, thanks Johnny
Speaker 1: Davis for the discord lob there for the ak throw
Speaker 1: it down? Yes, did you throw down all oops? In? Uh?
Speaker 1: In NBA? Jam I feel like that was missing in
Speaker 1: the version that I've played. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think NBA streets He's thrown down. I was like, is
Speaker 1: that this is me? Throw it down? Well? You you
Speaker 1: toss it up and then you throw it down Jamie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh wait, no, yeah you could because there was Yes,
Speaker 1: you totally could. Man. I feel like such a fool.
Speaker 1: Uh well, we are thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 1: third de seat by the very first face on Mount Zitemore,
Speaker 1: the hilarious, the brilliant, the talented, the incomparable Jamie Loft.
Speaker 1: He leaves. I will shown some light on what's going
Speaker 1: on today. We've got lots of discussions on fascists and COVID.
Speaker 1: Let's share what they have to say. The news is
Speaker 1: really effing said, let's talk about it with my podcast
Speaker 1: Dad from Bad Beautiful, The Fun Inside One. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was I feel like honored that we got that.
Speaker 1: That's that's beautiful, powerful crossover energy. Yeah yes, Jamie, how
Speaker 1: are you doing? Uh you know? Uh yeah, that's perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a real rasberry. It's you know it is what
Speaker 1: it is every time, every time you think that things
Speaker 1: are looking up, then all of a sudden, guess what,
Speaker 1: something terrible happens. And it's not when you think you're
Speaker 1: out right back in you're doing, you're doing, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get to I've been trying to get to
Speaker 1: the scat level. But that's like you're I'm scatting. I
Speaker 1: think that's my that's my equivalent of like playing the
Speaker 1: fiddle as the world burns is I'm just gonna scat
Speaker 1: as it all falls. How do I feel? Actually grabbed
Speaker 1: that upright based behind me? But dogs, he dogs, the
Speaker 1: town never knew such a hell. I sometimes worried that, like,
Speaker 1: not enough people have seen that clip. I agree, so purifying.
Speaker 1: If you don't know what Miles was just interpreting there,
Speaker 1: you need to google Kim Cantrell. Uhcat, that'll do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the context of her desperately trying to make her
Speaker 1: marriage to a jazz bassist work, Like in the context
Speaker 1: of that, it just there's just so much. It's more
Speaker 1: than just her scatting, you know, like you really like,
Speaker 1: where's she had? Okay, so she probably has a lot
Speaker 1: of money at this point and then this is how
Speaker 1: she's passing the time and like weird like New York
Speaker 1: times of a wedding like marriage that she's so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's how like an algorithm came up with it. So
Speaker 1: bleak the scatt that really, I mean, the town did
Speaker 1: never like they have the town hasn't heard of such
Speaker 1: a hullable. Since that's people have been saying, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: scadding is worse than a pooh. Speaking of Kim control
Speaker 1: and Pooh, I with the last time I tweeted about
Speaker 1: Kim Contrall scatting, which was not too long ago, someone
Speaker 1: said that there was like a story about Kim Cantrall
Speaker 1: pooping on the side of the sidewalk ones like just
Speaker 1: when she was out like this, I feel like she
Speaker 1: just kind of I don't know, I think she was
Speaker 1: just like it can't wait. That almost feels like someone
Speaker 1: heard a reference to Kim Cattrall scatting and just interpreted
Speaker 1: it that way and that's how it came into the universe.
Speaker 1: But that's that's amazing. Let's let's dig into that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gang fact checkers can go out there. Uh love to
Speaker 1: hear hear details, not details. So that makes me sound
Speaker 1: very weird. All right, Jamie, we're gonna get to know
Speaker 1: you a little like what was it like like just
Speaker 1: in terms of considers, like what are we talking like? Plato?
Speaker 1: Like soft plato, hard plato? That's I kind of dried
Speaker 1: up and you're like, oh, can't play with this anymore?
Speaker 1: The word in man, let me in, Let me in.
Speaker 1: Such a sad moment when you find the Plato that's
Speaker 1: been left out overnight and it's just over. It's over
Speaker 1: for that Plato hated play. It made my hands smell
Speaker 1: weird always. All right, Jamie, we're gonna get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
Speaker 1: gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. So that uh, that sheriff, the bad
Speaker 1: day sheriff who was like he had a bad day.
Speaker 1: This what happened? Man? I'm's like the end of American
Speaker 1: idol when someone gets kicked off. Man, you had a
Speaker 1: bad day. You guys know this trope. It's part of
Speaker 1: our culture. Yes, Now we found out a little bit
Speaker 1: more about him, also about the sheriff who he works with,
Speaker 1: who described the shooter as lashing out like a frustrated
Speaker 1: parent talking about a toddler. We'll talk about just the
Speaker 1: general combination of white supremacy, toxic masculinity that the response
Speaker 1: has kind of revealed highlighted, and also just a trend
Speaker 1: connecting it to church culture. So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the man who was arrested out of
Speaker 1: the VP residents with guns and AMMO. Uh. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about COVID cases on the rise again in certain states. Uh.
Speaker 1: We will say officially, fuck autism speaks. Uh there where
Speaker 1: there's been yet again another another week, another ad network
Speaker 1: issue where ads from a hateful group start appearing on
Speaker 1: our show. They fucking vile. Yeah. Um so we're working
Speaker 1: on getting at the bottom of how this keeps happening,
Speaker 1: but for the time being, we will talk about, uh,
Speaker 1: why autism speaks is Yeah, I can go do one.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about right wing media response to a gay
Speaker 1: captain America. Uh. We'll talk about I already know just
Speaker 1: the words, just words, Jack gay captain. What's next is
Speaker 1: the sentence that comes right, That's always the pivot. What's next? Huh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to start having sex with a uh
Speaker 1: so now paca, I feel like that, what's next. Kim
Speaker 1: Control taking a little poopoo on the side of the road,
Speaker 1: and I have to go play with it with got
Speaker 1: to go like mash around in it without gloves. What's next? Honestly,
Speaker 1: what's next? Guy? What's next? I gotta start a website
Speaker 1: where I stream my activities. What's next? Check me out
Speaker 1: at scat anyway forgetting what's next? What's next? What's next?
Speaker 1: They love telling on them. What's next? Folks? What is it?
Speaker 1: What is it? Though? What is next? Same sex marriage? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's next? Before we get to any of that, Jamie,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guest, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? Um? Okay, So Kim Control scouting
Speaker 1: was on the list. Also on the list was Final
Speaker 1: dest Nation composer, because there was this, uh it was
Speaker 1: a clip that I was looking for that I vaguely
Speaker 1: remembered from a Final Destination DVD. Didn't remember which DVD,
Speaker 1: but I was able to find it. There's this really great.
Speaker 1: I think that she composed most of the Final Destination soundtracks,
Speaker 1: and I was really into those movies growing up because
Speaker 1: they were just so nasty. This is the Final Destination
Speaker 1: three a k a. The Tanning Booth one but it's
Speaker 1: it's the Final Destination composer describing her process, and I
Speaker 1: think they're like setting her up to like really be like, so,
Speaker 1: you know, being a musician is really hard. But what
Speaker 1: she does is she has this like little like grow
Speaker 1: so meter and she's like, so, when I'm writing for
Speaker 1: Final Destination three, there's like there's a point where I
Speaker 1: say it's a little gross, it's really gross, or it's
Speaker 1: like someone's on fire and they're dying gross. And I
Speaker 1: just kind of figure out like if it's level one,
Speaker 1: two or three, and that's how I write all the music.
Speaker 1: And she has this little like hand drawn gross ometer
Speaker 1: that has like hand drawn blood dripping up it, and
Speaker 1: she's like, and that's really my whole process, and uh
Speaker 1: and it works. And I was like, holy sh it
Speaker 1: made me laugh so hard it holds up. I will
Speaker 1: I'll send the clip because I like pulled it for posterity.
Speaker 1: She was so straightforward. I I I appreciate that she's
Speaker 1: like it's not hard, just like girls demystify something like
Speaker 1: composition of a film score, where I think most people like,
Speaker 1: if you're not a musician, you're like, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what these people fucking do they sit down and
Speaker 1: start writing notes on a fucking like what the funk?
Speaker 1: How is it? And then but if you're a musician,
Speaker 1: like you understand the process a little bit more. And
Speaker 1: then for me as a music to hear her, just
Speaker 1: be like, nah, it's real simple man, Like it's there's
Speaker 1: three vibe levels and that sort of determines where I
Speaker 1: go with it, Like, yes, she's simple, perfect, she's so good.
Speaker 1: Her name is Shirley Walker, and she died shortly after
Speaker 1: the Final Destination three came out. She was like she
Speaker 1: set the tone for Final Destination and then she arrived
Speaker 1: at her final destination I assumed peacefully and not like
Speaker 1: a final Destination movie. Um, but like she uh it
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Well, she was driving behind a tractor
Speaker 1: trailer that was carrying a bunch of like logs right
Speaker 1: and rebar yeah yeah, yeah, as peacefully as one and
Speaker 1: then a thumb tracked a thumb tac truck crashed on
Speaker 1: the road ahead of them. Anyway, she lived, she was.
Speaker 1: She was like, so then I like, this is the
Speaker 1: level three on the gross her own system. But she
Speaker 1: did so many and then I went down a Shirley
Speaker 1: Walker hole like this lady was so goddamn cool. She
Speaker 1: did like the score for like Escape from l A
Speaker 1: and True Lies and like all these fun movies, and
Speaker 1: she was like one of the first prominent female film
Speaker 1: composers and she worked on a gross sommet or system.
Speaker 1: I love her. That's amazing. I I love that, especially,
Speaker 1: like I would like to view that next to another
Speaker 1: like a director's commentary from those films who's like being
Speaker 1: real pretentious and like, well you see what She's just like, No,
Speaker 1: it's a it's final destiny. She was the music director
Speaker 1: for Batman the Animated Series. Yeah, okay, yo her. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry her death is tragic, as I mean it was before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like she she like passed away like eight months
Speaker 1: right after her husband passed away. So yeah, anyway, rest
Speaker 1: in power though. Oh and she wont She won an
Speaker 1: Emmy for Batman the Animated Series. She's really cool. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like there's all these like stories
Speaker 1: like this of like pioneers in fields that know one
Speaker 1: ever talks about, and then whenever you stumble across it,
Speaker 1: it's always the coolest story of all time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: she's working worked with Danny Elfman and then that's what
Speaker 1: she based the all the what the fuh? This is good.
Speaker 1: She's awesome, And so I'll post that clip of her
Speaker 1: explaining her grossometer composition system because it's great. We will
Speaker 1: put that in the footnotes. I respect Final Destination, the
Speaker 1: Final Destination film franchise like the same way that you
Speaker 1: respect like a children's book author that just like taps
Speaker 1: into the mind of a four year old, because like,
Speaker 1: if you had given me like limitless time to write
Speaker 1: a movie when I was eleven years old, if like
Speaker 1: I would have come up with the Final Destination, like
Speaker 1: best case scenario, I would have come up with the
Speaker 1: Final Destination movies. What if fortune Cookies were true? Yeah? Uh,
Speaker 1: they totally nailed exactly what I was looking for in
Speaker 1: movies when I was like, ye, to this day, I
Speaker 1: will not reach my hand into a sink like where
Speaker 1: there's a garbage compactor, incinerator thing, blender, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, in syncorator without thinking of Final Destination. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Final Destination three was I think the first
Speaker 1: Final Destination I saw, the one where everyone dies on
Speaker 1: the fucking roller coaster and it's Mary. Elizabeth Winstead is
Speaker 1: the lead like there's a bunch of people who ended
Speaker 1: up getting famous, but in this one they're just beheaded
Speaker 1: on a roller coaster. It's so funny, gross, it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Amanda Crew is in Final Destination three. Who would have known? Yeah, Yo,
Speaker 1: she's a fucking legend. She worked with everyone, and based
Speaker 1: on how her credits are working, I'm I'm gonna presume
Speaker 1: she had a lot to do with a lot of
Speaker 1: these scores because whenever, like you have Hans Zimmer or
Speaker 1: like these other people, it's very collaborative. I mean, i
Speaker 1: mean early on, a lot of them are doing a
Speaker 1: lot of composition. But like at this level, she was
Speaker 1: worked with Danny Elfman on Dick Racy Edwards Scissor Hands, Dude,
Speaker 1: fucking Hans Zimmer on Bird Auto Wire here, most of
Speaker 1: these yeah, yeah, fucking worked. This is this is what
Speaker 1: a league of their own toys, Radio Flyer with Hans
Speaker 1: Zimmer renaissance. But okay, you know what, okay walk on
Speaker 1: When she died, she had like what it what wasn't
Speaker 1: At the time of her death, Shirley Walker had scored
Speaker 1: more major studio motion pictures than any other American woman.
Speaker 1: She's a badass. She's cool. So that's a that was
Speaker 1: a fun way to learn about Shirley. Highly recommend going
Speaker 1: down the Shirley hole because like she's conducting, like like
Speaker 1: when these some of these credits, at the very least,
Speaker 1: she was the conductor when they were recording these scores,
Speaker 1: conducting the orchestra whatever. Man fucking backdrafts. And she only
Speaker 1: lived to be sixty one. Legend, legend DJ justin just
Speaker 1: putting the chat. A detail that I will not be
Speaker 1: able to unknown is that his best friend's parents house
Speaker 1: had an automatic garbage disposal unit in their sink. No,
Speaker 1: that is with emotion sensor. Like I think it must
Speaker 1: have not like sensed when there was food to chop up.
Speaker 1: But could you imagine if like the sensor was off
Speaker 1: a little bit. And that is also one more thing,
Speaker 1: just so you know, fucking a goofy movie. She did
Speaker 1: a goofy movie. She conducted and orchestrated the score. She's
Speaker 1: she's just and she's like just a mom. She's like, listen,
Speaker 1: it's not hard. That was a final destination score. I'm
Speaker 1: surely walker. Like I do difficult things all the time,
Speaker 1: this is not one of them. I just love it.
Speaker 1: She's like I did towards scissor Hands. You fuck with yeah,
Speaker 1: suking around with final destination. This is a check to me. Okay, dude, arachnophobia.
Speaker 1: I love it. Child's play too. Where was it? Where
Speaker 1: it wasn't Shirley She She really was the moment. She
Speaker 1: was the moment for decades. One of the tools that
Speaker 1: was created specifically for the scoring. Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is the grossometer. I had to pause because you can't
Speaker 1: see the video. I'm just playing it for everybody. It
Speaker 1: is such. It is like a remarkable piece, like back
Speaker 1: when you used to do like a book report project
Speaker 1: and you have to do like an accompany like art
Speaker 1: piece with it. This grossometer is one of the greatest
Speaker 1: handmade things I've ever seen in my lifect But we
Speaker 1: thought that gross soometer was far more elegant. Did the
Speaker 1: artwork correct? And we would don't let the orchestra know
Speaker 1: what the ghost so rating was. So this one was
Speaker 1: like it about as sixty as it was filmed, but
Speaker 1: I challenged the orchestra to bring it up with their
Speaker 1: performance too, and at least an eighty and I think
Speaker 1: the performance really we were close to a hundred on
Speaker 1: that the Level one is boobs and burns, Level two
Speaker 1: is dismemberment and wiggly guts, and level three is blood
Speaker 1: spatter and brain matter needless up, I hadn't even like,
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense, but like burns would seem
Speaker 1: to be almost as bad as blood spatter. But no,
Speaker 1: I guess not like visceral when you're watching something happened.
Speaker 1: I mean she she would know. I guess she's yeah,
Speaker 1: she did Final Destinations one through three. Wow, Jamie, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? Uh? Something overrated? This
Speaker 1: is just a really brutal cell phone. I'm going back
Speaker 1: to that group on dentist I went to two years ago,
Speaker 1: what are you doing on that sneezed in your mouth?
Speaker 1: The one that I'm assuming they won't. They legally can't
Speaker 1: sneeze in my mouth anymore. That's the gamble I'm taking.
Speaker 1: They gotta be wearing a mask because I went in
Speaker 1: she should have been wearing a mask then, but now
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's definitely going to have to wear a mask.
Speaker 1: And they didn't do a terrible job dental was It
Speaker 1: was really just the sneezing in the mouth that was
Speaker 1: the problem. So, like I'm going to give them a
Speaker 1: second chance and see if legally having to wear a
Speaker 1: mask and still accepting my group on because I also
Speaker 1: had to do that thing where I created a new
Speaker 1: group on because you can't buy the same group on twice,
Speaker 1: so I had to make a new account. And it's you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe she remember, or maybe she doesn't even
Speaker 1: work there anymore. I don't know. She's like, oh, another
Speaker 1: group on. Huh, all right, I'm gonna get mean. I wonder.
Speaker 1: I still wonder to this day, did she feel entitled
Speaker 1: the sneeze into my mouth due to the group on? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't how they discourage group on, but I really,
Speaker 1: you know, once again, I need I need like a
Speaker 1: deep clean on my teeth, that thing where they just
Speaker 1: took a jackhammer to your face. Yeah, and then they'll
Speaker 1: do that with the group on. So I'm going back.
Speaker 1: But it's overrated. I shouldn't I should I should have
Speaker 1: found a better option. But still weird track record, given
Speaker 1: you know, the state of things. I was kind of wondering.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I wonder if I should mention that,
Speaker 1: like as a joke at the beginning of like oh
Speaker 1: ha ha, the last time I came here, someone sneezed
Speaker 1: on me. Oh yeah, Debra, she's the manager now, yeah,
Speaker 1: she actually has been promoted and she owns the business.
Speaker 1: It's a complimentary service we offer. She'll be here. Also,
Speaker 1: this this dental office always has appointments available, which is
Speaker 1: the other reason that we could take you. Now, we're
Speaker 1: actually super bored. We haven't seen any We've just been
Speaker 1: looking at the sun all day, sneezing. Nothing more sinister
Speaker 1: than a dentist saying they're bored, Like you're just like
Speaker 1: dentists share some DNA with like vets who will uh
Speaker 1: you know, prescribe. There's a lot of gray area, a
Speaker 1: lot of interpretive work in terms of like what how
Speaker 1: much work do they want to do and how really
Speaker 1: just scanning it's medical scanning, medical scatting. They're just written.
Speaker 1: You know, we could uhl deep clean that for you
Speaker 1: do a root canal. It's a mouth mechanic basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: mouth mechanic. Have your teeth rotated yet my teeth rotate?
Speaker 1: Just set these around? Yeah, bottom teeth on the top,
Speaker 1: top on the bottom. Have you thought about that? Kim
Speaker 1: actually had a personal shopper, Like I was thinking about
Speaker 1: a new look for you this year. Flip them around.
Speaker 1: What do you think big bottom teeth, little top teeth,
Speaker 1: big bottom, little top. It's just a bit ball. You know.
Speaker 1: Big booties are in big bottom teeth too. I feel
Speaker 1: you won't regret it, and if you don't like it,
Speaker 1: I'll just flip them back. You're gonna love eating corn.
Speaker 1: What is what something that you think is underrated? Oh? Uh?
Speaker 1: One thing that is underrated is buying door to door truros.
Speaker 1: This was my first experience with there. This would ended
Speaker 1: up being a bizarre situation, but like, my landlord was
Speaker 1: having some stuff dropped off at our apartment and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: someone's going to be dropping off some stuff. And I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, no problem. And then the guy got
Speaker 1: there and he was just like he dropped off. It
Speaker 1: was like cleaning something. I don't know, it was some
Speaker 1: landlord ship. And then the guy was like, by the way,
Speaker 1: do you guys want turros? And I was like what
Speaker 1: do you mean? And and and then we were like
Speaker 1: talking to him for ten minutes about his churro business
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: to gluten free. I'm not quite a gluten free, but
Speaker 1: I am at dairy free and like he just and
Speaker 1: then he was like, I could come back in twenty
Speaker 1: minutes with like a shipload of churros, and we were
Speaker 1: like okay. And then so if you live in l
Speaker 1: A and you want these churros, I'll plug him. It's
Speaker 1: at Hippie Churros, and at Hippie Churros they're not gluten
Speaker 1: free yet, but they are dairy free. And there I
Speaker 1: I've been lunching on them for a whole day, and
Speaker 1: it was it was not how I expected that delivery
Speaker 1: from my landlord to go, but I was. It was
Speaker 1: the first human interaction I've had in several days, and
Speaker 1: it went so well because it because then I got
Speaker 1: a bunch of delicious, reasonably priced truro's straight to my door.
Speaker 1: It sounds like like a scene from how To with
Speaker 1: John Wilson. And then my landlord had someone drop stuff
Speaker 1: off and we talked and it turns out he wanted
Speaker 1: to talk a lot about so they're pretty and then
Speaker 1: the guys like, yeah, I got him to almost they're
Speaker 1: not gluten free, but they're dairy free. He's That was
Speaker 1: the fourth time he said that in the in ten
Speaker 1: minutes if it had been I mean, it's like because
Speaker 1: it's like I do have time. If it were safe,
Speaker 1: it would have been fun to invite him in and
Speaker 1: be like, what's your story now? Because he was wearing
Speaker 1: like sunglasses that were like the shape of stars and
Speaker 1: they had yellow lenses, and I was like, this, this
Speaker 1: guy's a business man, he's faling and dealing. Guy's wearing
Speaker 1: a heart star shaped sunglasses. I'm like, I better take
Speaker 1: this guy seriously. And um, I I can vouch for
Speaker 1: the Truros, their delay them and what what kind of
Speaker 1: cut are you getting off of these Truro recoggendations that
Speaker 1: I'm just I just love a local business and I
Speaker 1: love an assertive person showing up. I feel like I
Speaker 1: would not have gotten to that point in the conversation,
Speaker 1: so I really I want to figure out how to
Speaker 1: like have that John Wilson, Jamie loftus like finding out
Speaker 1: what's interesting about people. I would I would just I
Speaker 1: would just be It's not that I'm not like mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just like so avoidant and like shut off that
Speaker 1: I would never be able to get to the point
Speaker 1: of him offering to sell me turos. I think you
Speaker 1: just got to say yes to life. The man shows
Speaker 1: up in the star shaped sunglasses, you say, tell me
Speaker 1: more say And now I'm like, does my landlord know him?
Speaker 1: Is it like I don't I wasn't clear on like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like yeah. But my contacted her
Speaker 1: and she was just like, oh uh, you didn't eat
Speaker 1: those turros. That's It's like the ring. It's that seven
Speaker 1: days to live at Hippie Turro if you want some
Speaker 1: delicious groovy turros. That's how they advertise themselves, delicious groovy turros.
Speaker 1: You're plugging is so hard. I feel like what you
Speaker 1: did was take a first bite in front of them
Speaker 1: that you didn't like, and you're like, oh why you like?
Speaker 1: These are good? Oh no, not hate them. I'm going
Speaker 1: on I'm going on a podcast tomorrow actually where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell people about how much I swear broure Bro Starman.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a dream when we describe it now.
Speaker 1: But Starman came to our door and he had all
Speaker 1: sorts of churros and we bought them, and they're so good,
Speaker 1: and just like a fragile man, he collaps ops when
Speaker 1: you didn't extol all the virtues delicious. All Right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break and we'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about fragile men. And we're back, so let's talk about
Speaker 1: we We referenced the fact that in the aftermath of
Speaker 1: the math murder of Asian women in Georgia on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: the police were just very um dying to humanize the
Speaker 1: guy who committed the murder, said he was having a
Speaker 1: bad day, said he just lashed out, blamed his problems
Speaker 1: on addiction. And so people just started doing a little
Speaker 1: little research on the police who were who were making
Speaker 1: these observations on the murderer's behalf research are just looked
Speaker 1: at their Facebook. How did they get down on Facebook?
Speaker 1: And Captain j Baker was in like dude, marcht he
Speaker 1: was already out here like hawking China virus t shirts
Speaker 1: because he's said, oh new design alert, announcing a new
Speaker 1: design placed your blah blah. It's like this COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: like a Corona beer font and it says like its
Speaker 1: ex imported from China. So yes, of course, this same
Speaker 1: police captain who's out here obscuring the actions of this uh,
Speaker 1: you know, hateful white supremacist. Yeah, he's out here doing
Speaker 1: the same thing, peddling more white supremacist propaganda, nonsense, hate, hateful,
Speaker 1: vitriolic T shirts. Literally white supremacists murch like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just wild, because it's like, that's how white supremacy
Speaker 1: is is just this. It's so systemic, So it always
Speaker 1: feels like a set up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like they kill out of hate. But then there's
Speaker 1: a white supremacist in a position of authority to then
Speaker 1: obscure what actually happened, and because of their position of
Speaker 1: authority of saying like, well, you know, I don't like
Speaker 1: you think he was having a bad day, says something
Speaker 1: about sex addiction, and then in turn, you have a
Speaker 1: complicit media who's complicit in white supremacy, who then goes
Speaker 1: on their mary way to debate sex addiction rather than
Speaker 1: you know, the proliferation in hate crimes, or maybe even
Speaker 1: speak of the hyper sexualization and fetish fetishization of Asians,
Speaker 1: or how that in and of itself is an expression
Speaker 1: of racism. Now, okay, maybe he was addicted to sex
Speaker 1: is where it's end. They legitimately there were headlines that said, uh,
Speaker 1: not racially motivated, like they they you just declared it.
Speaker 1: They open and shut case. As far as a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of media outlets working well, I think
Speaker 1: the next level is now that people have to realize
Speaker 1: white supremacy just doesn't mean white people against black people,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's I think that's the next
Speaker 1: stage we're at is clearly having to people to or
Speaker 1: not most people understand what white supremacy is. But in
Speaker 1: the media sense of like you have to you have
Speaker 1: to begin describing this ship for what it is. This
Speaker 1: is the same thing we've been running into since the summer. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: the there was a shaff also involved who said the
Speaker 1: shooter was lashing out and he people looked at his
Speaker 1: background and from two thousand five to two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight he worked for Blackwater the with Erk Prince. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is still such a like common media narrative to
Speaker 1: treat police and sheriffs as credible sources that don't need
Speaker 1: to be fact checked. And it's like that it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, how many examples do you need to prove that?
Speaker 1: It's like that is very much not the case. But
Speaker 1: it seems like there's so many media outlets that have
Speaker 1: this vested interest in preserving their relationships with police forces
Speaker 1: and like taking them at their word or what will happen.
Speaker 1: And it's it's so absurd because you can literally go
Speaker 1: to someone's Facebook and find out how like extremely racist
Speaker 1: and biased and hateful they actually are and why you
Speaker 1: shouldn't take them at their word under any circumstances. Like
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, yeah, and it's in it's nicest form,
Speaker 1: we should call them unreliable narrators. They're oh my god,
Speaker 1: the way I feel like that's the next step. But
Speaker 1: me uh and and looking at this seems to be
Speaker 1: that these people may be unreliable narrators. Seems like maybe
Speaker 1: they have a little bit of bias going on. It's
Speaker 1: just it's fucking I don't know that that whole intuitive
Speaker 1: Let's trust a cop when they're giving a press conference,
Speaker 1: it's like, fucking why, like because they watched many Batman
Speaker 1: movies and ships Gordon speaking, you know, it's like no,
Speaker 1: this this guy is also a white supremacist, like this
Speaker 1: just be like why don't you talk about that one?
Speaker 1: But I get to for them, it's like, well then
Speaker 1: we don't get the scoops on all the local robberies
Speaker 1: for our you know, clickbait articles and news spots that
Speaker 1: we do to keep people in this loop of fear,
Speaker 1: which helps us, you know, get more higher ratings rather
Speaker 1: than actually inform people about what's happening to contribute to
Speaker 1: like a more informed population. But you know that's not
Speaker 1: what this is about anymore. They need those white supremacy clicks.
Speaker 1: The the you can tell how important that system is
Speaker 1: the media like supporting the police are, Like how important
Speaker 1: that is to the police. How much a part of
Speaker 1: the system the police know that is by how petulant
Speaker 1: lee they respond anytime they're accused of white supremacy race
Speaker 1: them because I'll tell you know, like if journalists want
Speaker 1: to that you can. You can report on crime and
Speaker 1: stuff without the police cooperating with you. Yeah. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: you don't need them to be able to sure they
Speaker 1: were maybe documents and questions they can answer, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of information you can access freely that like
Speaker 1: rather than feeling like, oh, but you got to be
Speaker 1: in with them, because then they're gonna release juicy details
Speaker 1: before other people. And it's like, is that even the
Speaker 1: best way to do let it? No, It's like, how
Speaker 1: is that narrative going to result in a factual report,
Speaker 1: it never is going to I hate Yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: place the story, but I was reading something about somebody
Speaker 1: who like was reporting on something or doing something that
Speaker 1: a police officer wasn't happy with and they threatened to
Speaker 1: They were like, well, you know, it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: for us to like come protect you, like we want
Speaker 1: to protect you, but it's it's gonna be hard for
Speaker 1: us to any time like That's That's the other thing
Speaker 1: is they are right. They're the people who are legally
Speaker 1: allowed to murder people with impunity. So uh it also
Speaker 1: you know, just from a physical safety standpoint, I think
Speaker 1: people probably that probably helps as well, helps them kind
Speaker 1: of maintain that position where they're like, he had a
Speaker 1: bad day. Now let's get back to uh the sick
Speaker 1: action maneuver from fast and the furious we used to
Speaker 1: pull him over, and everyone's just like okay, moving on, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: sir um, oh wow is that? Oh I remember Paul
Speaker 1: Walker did that? Yeah? Exactly? Could you say that a
Speaker 1: little louder? I don't think everybody everybody heard you. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: p dubs, That's who I am and this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: we're like a family here, so it's another one white
Speaker 1: supremacists if you want to. Uh. But yeah, this whole
Speaker 1: thing is just like it's a continuing evolution, continues the
Speaker 1: conversation on many levels, because this thing isn't as simple
Speaker 1: as like this guy killed them, because this like a
Speaker 1: lot of this hate that people learn is a fucking
Speaker 1: it's a mixture of so many things from the media,
Speaker 1: you're ingesting the people you're around, and even that maybe
Speaker 1: your religious practices too. There's this really interesting piece from
Speaker 1: this x evangelical scholar named Chrissy Strup um on how
Speaker 1: like the defense of like, but God said, my sex
Speaker 1: desires are bad, so I had to eliminate them. Sounds
Speaker 1: like the kind of ship you hear in many churches
Speaker 1: across the nation. Um. And so I just want to
Speaker 1: read a few excerpts from this article because it's really interesting. Um. First,
Speaker 1: she starts quoting this professor Joshua Gibbs, who's an assistant
Speaker 1: professor of psychology of Bowling Green State University, UM, who
Speaker 1: has has published research on religion and attitudes towards sex,
Speaker 1: saying quote, sex addiction is simply not a credible defense
Speaker 1: for mass murder. Um, thank you his research however, points
Speaker 1: so that, however, is that a quote Conservative Christian men
Speaker 1: are prone to believe that they have pornography or sex
Speaker 1: addictions even when they do not before and then so
Speaker 1: they go on to say about how this guy, uh
Speaker 1: Aaron Long was on his way to target the porn
Speaker 1: industry in Florida was like his sort of next move.
Speaker 1: Essentially according to this professor quote, there's a large and
Speaker 1: growing body of research that shows the conservative religious values
Speaker 1: are strongly linked to feelings of sex addiction. We find
Speaker 1: that men in particular are likely to interpret normal sexual
Speaker 1: urges as pathological and then act on them in ways
Speaker 1: that they find to be problematic. Mhm. And it isn't
Speaker 1: totally shocking, um. But how it all even blends in
Speaker 1: with like purity culture too. We talk about those purity
Speaker 1: balls and things like that, like where this is where
Speaker 1: they begin to get you, like the your mainlining toxic
Speaker 1: masculinity as a child. Because of all this purity think quote,
Speaker 1: purity culture get places heavy emphasis on temptation and evil.
Speaker 1: Pornography is considered evil and something to be eliminated. Given
Speaker 1: that framing, it's not surprising that someone might view all
Speaker 1: sexual quote temptations as evil and needing to be eliminated.
Speaker 1: And further, like this idea that men are out of
Speaker 1: control women must protect their innocence and purity, which allows
Speaker 1: for rampant victim blaming because of this sort of this
Speaker 1: relationship and also demonizing any woman who has sex and
Speaker 1: enjoys it. Like that whole culture of protecting purity is like,
Speaker 1: not only are women the property of men and need
Speaker 1: to be protected in this purity ball puritanical way, but
Speaker 1: it's also like if a woman does have sex, then
Speaker 1: she's also extremely eliminatable or I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 1: fact the fact that it can be on a range
Speaker 1: of I am attracted to someone and I feel like
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be, and so I have to eliminate the
Speaker 1: temptation all the way to like this woman is having
Speaker 1: sex that I'm not having, and so she has to
Speaker 1: be eliminated. And she is like, uh, I mean, she's loose,
Speaker 1: she's whatever. Like it's it's so it goes so so
Speaker 1: so so deep and it and it goes even with like,
Speaker 1: you know, we constantly talk about how, you know, white
Speaker 1: men have to protect their innocent white women from men
Speaker 1: of color that will do anything to defile them. That's
Speaker 1: where this more this hyper sexualization intertwined with the white
Speaker 1: supremacy shows itself, you know, and pointing all the way
Speaker 1: back to othello and ship of like this fear of
Speaker 1: making the beast with two backs with this black ram
Speaker 1: and the pure white you or whatever the fun I
Speaker 1: remember that ship stuck out to me as a kid
Speaker 1: of like what the funk is it? Like this is um?
Speaker 1: So then they this this another um. A quote from
Speaker 1: a woman who was very heavily involved in Southern Baptist communities,
Speaker 1: who is a woman of color, Asian American woman, and
Speaker 1: she talks about the white supremacy that she experienced in
Speaker 1: this context of Southern Baptist community, saying um. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, she says she after Trump got all the
Speaker 1: supportive evangelicals, that sort of was heard the signal that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is fully completely gone off the rails from what
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be. UM. But she says,
Speaker 1: quote white supremacy holds Asians in a weird light, complementing
Speaker 1: them on being quote the good minority, while also devaluing
Speaker 1: women into sex objects who exist for their pleasure. As
Speaker 1: an adult in the Southern Baptist community. I saw this
Speaker 1: fetish and devaluation from white men who thought I should
Speaker 1: have sex with them because as an Asian, I was
Speaker 1: a Geisha, which they take to mean sex worker, and
Speaker 1: so it's not really cheating or adultery for them. And
Speaker 1: then she talks about the difference of interacting with men
Speaker 1: of color in the Southern Baptist community who were not
Speaker 1: sexualizing her, but the white men in the community would
Speaker 1: have this tactic of bringing up their addiction to pornography
Speaker 1: and like, come forth and just let this all out
Speaker 1: with the expectation that she would have sex with them.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. So like, there's so many layers to this,
Speaker 1: but you're seeing how it all it's all working together,
Speaker 1: like on on so many different levels. And so to
Speaker 1: just take to just for any media to be like
Speaker 1: it's sex addiction simple as he didn't say that even
Speaker 1: if it was, like, let's be really like you have
Speaker 1: you need to actually also talk about all of these things,
Speaker 1: because it's not just so cut and dry like that,
Speaker 1: which is what white supremacists would like you to think.
Speaker 1: Because if it's such a strict binary, it either is
Speaker 1: or is it all the time, And if they can
Speaker 1: always say it isn't then does white supremacy exist? Well,
Speaker 1: And it's also like framing it as a sex addiction.
Speaker 1: It just makes it sound like a murderer was somehow
Speaker 1: suffering and is somehow a victim and all of this
Speaker 1: like it. It is like intentionally distancing him from women
Speaker 1: that he murdered like and and no context for the
Speaker 1: murder other than well, he was suffering and hurt people,
Speaker 1: hurt people, which is like the most disingenuous way you
Speaker 1: could possibly frame a crime that, like you're saying, Miles,
Speaker 1: there's so many different layers of hatred and bias involved,
Speaker 1: and so just making it sound like, well, he was suffering,
Speaker 1: so you know, shit happens, It's like no, there's there's
Speaker 1: like five different really important conversations to be had. It's
Speaker 1: not ship happens. It's if if you give a funk,
Speaker 1: then let's talk about solutions. Let's talk about how to
Speaker 1: address it, not just sh it happens. The media is
Speaker 1: not equipped for that because it threatens to upend too
Speaker 1: many systems of power that I've just been in place
Speaker 1: for too long. The Geisha thing is so when I
Speaker 1: went to UH College, the book that they had us
Speaker 1: read leading into our freshman year. Like the freshman year
Speaker 1: reading series was Memoirs of a Geisha, which is written
Speaker 1: by an old white guy about like from the perspective
Speaker 1: of a Geisha, and it's like, incredibly, you know we
Speaker 1: and I've just heard like being in a interracial marriage,
Speaker 1: Like I've heard so much just people either slipping and
Speaker 1: saying ship or uh saying saying shit because they just
Speaker 1: think it's like it doesn't even occur to them like
Speaker 1: I would. I would see my dad press other adults
Speaker 1: as a kid, and I realized because they would say
Speaker 1: shit about my mom. Yeah, and I didn't know that's
Speaker 1: how I was an adult, but I was like, what
Speaker 1: the funk happened there? He's like, we're not fucking with
Speaker 1: that family anymore. Was like, what the fuck? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like or saying like around, put your jat flaps on.
Speaker 1: They were at our how the kids had sandals on.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, get your jat flaps all kids. My
Speaker 1: dad was like, I need to meet you outside real quick.
Speaker 1: And I was just like I didn't know that so
Speaker 1: I was older, but yeah, this is this like dehumanization,
Speaker 1: especially in American culture, to like World War two gave
Speaker 1: people a lot of funked up ideas about Asian people
Speaker 1: as well. Not to say that there was tons of
Speaker 1: atrocities happening during the World War Two, but that like
Speaker 1: that momentum, I definitely saw a lot of because like
Speaker 1: even like with that family who was calling slippers with
Speaker 1: a slur, was like, oh, I didn't know, Like I
Speaker 1: just grew up. That's what my family called them since
Speaker 1: the beginning, you know what I mean. And you're like,
Speaker 1: this is the ship that we don't These are the
Speaker 1: kinds of small things that people don't aren't aware of
Speaker 1: that allow for like I can say that in front
Speaker 1: of a human being who will take that personally and
Speaker 1: it's nothing and it's just so Yeah, there's just like
Speaker 1: this white supremacist gaze that like is everywhere. Uh it
Speaker 1: definitely uh you know, involves sexuality and like the male
Speaker 1: gaze and is dehumanizing. There was there was when I
Speaker 1: was working on Lolita podcast, there was, um. I mean,
Speaker 1: anime kind of comes up a lot because Lolly Khan
Speaker 1: is a term that's directly connected to Lolita, but it's
Speaker 1: a completely I mean, it's a relatively separate thing that
Speaker 1: is just an entire culture that's built around hyper sexualizing
Speaker 1: young Asian women, and it's so so so like just
Speaker 1: evasive and everywhere, and it's and and people that I
Speaker 1: would try to talk to about it to say like
Speaker 1: do you ever think about this? They shut down, you know,
Speaker 1: They're like, no, I don't, what do you mean. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just a cartoon. It's it's this, it's this,
Speaker 1: it's this, and it's like it's people get so defensive
Speaker 1: and so deflective and kind of refused to examine like
Speaker 1: why am I dehumanizing? Like why am I so okay
Speaker 1: dehumanizing someone in this hyper sexual way, and also refusing
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that that could possibly influence the way they
Speaker 1: view real people, like it's just yeah, yeah, when you
Speaker 1: talk about like Asian women like it's a sports car.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Oh she's bad. I would hear that ship
Speaker 1: all the time, like, oh you must kill it with
Speaker 1: Asian chicks, huh, Like from white guys, Oh you only
Speaker 1: fun Asian women. But I was like, Yo, this ship
Speaker 1: is so common and men are so free to say
Speaker 1: ship like that to each other. At the time, I
Speaker 1: was not equipped to say, like, yo, shut the what
Speaker 1: the funk are you saying to me right now, I
Speaker 1: was younger and I was just as toxic and I
Speaker 1: was just more like uncomfortable and be like nah, not really,
Speaker 1: thank you, get the funk away, but like it's a
Speaker 1: very common just trope that you encounter, and yeah, this
Speaker 1: is another thing for people to bring into their awareness
Speaker 1: just in general around every like whether or not you
Speaker 1: want to call it it's a hate crime, and whether
Speaker 1: it's about the Asian people specifically, or women specifically, or
Speaker 1: sex workers specific whatever it is, and I keep saying
Speaker 1: that there is it's fueled by hatred. So to try
Speaker 1: and like put it in one bucket, white supremacy or not,
Speaker 1: I think is so disingenuous and it's such a disservice
Speaker 1: to these victims because it completely doesn't allow for us
Speaker 1: to have a full you know, reckoning with it if
Speaker 1: we ever will. All right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. And we're back. And there
Speaker 1: was a man arrested outside the VP Residents with guns
Speaker 1: and an ammoh uh not the magazine actually well actually yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's the VP, you know, Harris and uh,
Speaker 1: first fight, Wait, what's the what's Doug called Doug the
Speaker 1: husband first first gentleman, first gentleman, first gentleman or no,
Speaker 1: but their second gentle right, Second, what do they do
Speaker 1: they call the do they call like Barbara Bush second
Speaker 1: lady in the in the eighties? Well, no, you're the
Speaker 1: first lady if you're the sroudt of the president. Second
Speaker 1: gentle he's the second gentleman of the United States. Second. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's wild, even the first being George Washington. Um. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't live at the Naval Observatory, which is like
Speaker 1: the traditional vice presidential residents because it's they're they're doing
Speaker 1: renovations or whatever, repairs or something. So they were not there.
Speaker 1: But they clocked this guy out there being suspicious. There
Speaker 1: was like a police bulletin about this guy who had
Speaker 1: traveled from Texas all the way to d C. They
Speaker 1: arrested him and then they found a R fifteen high
Speaker 1: capacity magazines, a lot of ammunition. I wonder why, Probably
Speaker 1: not white supremacy or misogyny. Yeah, okay, just one. I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's really the story. But like you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's just like everywhere you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it's fucking it's it's NonStop and there's even even unrelated
Speaker 1: to this. You would look into the Derek Chauvin trial.
Speaker 1: They're trying to put like introduced George Floyd's arrest record
Speaker 1: as a way to get like justify his It's so
Speaker 1: fucked up. But again, this is why it's a full
Speaker 1: court press um against the system like this. Constantly, there's
Speaker 1: been uptick in COVID cases, speaking Minnesota, Minnesota's has seen
Speaker 1: the biggest uptick. It's a lot of states across the north, also, Louisiana, UM,
Speaker 1: and they're trying it to kind of people relaxing and
Speaker 1: guidelines relaxing. Texas hasn't seen an uptick quite yet, but
Speaker 1: you know, right had that's so terrifying. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even know. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: every single day we're kind of having to like readjust like, oh,
Speaker 1: how how do I feel about projects for the future today?
Speaker 1: And like, you know, I don't know. The way that
Speaker 1: some people are growing about risk assessment in the past
Speaker 1: couple of weeks makes me very nervous. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's the most dangerous time, you know, because
Speaker 1: people like are people know, people that are vaccinated. So
Speaker 1: that's the thing it's like, oh, they're good, they're safe. Oh,
Speaker 1: like the ripple effect of safety is like around me.
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, please, not yet. Now is not
Speaker 1: the time. I've also been hearing like uh certain like
Speaker 1: you know, like you've been seeing a lot of like
Speaker 1: what year of COVID posts as if like a fucking
Speaker 1: plague observes our calendar, like of like, oh, it's been
Speaker 1: a year, so I guess you know what a what
Speaker 1: a wild year? And that's not no, no, we had
Speaker 1: a one year books. Yeah, yeah, like it. I found
Speaker 1: those to be really really bizarre and also the like oh,
Speaker 1: well I I got vaccinated, so I don't need to
Speaker 1: wear a mask anymore. It's like read like a paragraph,
Speaker 1: read a sentence, read one sentence past. So you've been vaccinated, right, yep,
Speaker 1: I haven't hold on um but yeah, I mean we've
Speaker 1: seen you know, waves like third waves I guess hit
Speaker 1: pretty hard in Europe. Paris had a lockdown over the weekend. Uh.
Speaker 1: They also think that's due to early loosening, people just
Speaker 1: generally feeling like the pandemic is over and acting that way.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to autism speaks. Uh, Like we like
Speaker 1: we mentioned their their ads have been appearing on our show, uh,
Speaker 1: and they are somewhere between a group that we don't
Speaker 1: agree with and a heat group there. Uh. They've most
Speaker 1: recently been in the news for being the primary research
Speaker 1: partner for Sia's Music, which is a movie about a character, uh,
Speaker 1: an autistic character that is, anybody uh who watches it
Speaker 1: says it's offensive. Autistic people say it's traumatic, just in
Speaker 1: terms of the strobing lights, the caricatures of autistic characters
Speaker 1: performed by actors who aren't autistic. Uh. It also includes
Speaker 1: the use of frontal restraint to calm a character, which
Speaker 1: is a band practice that has led to twenty deaths.
Speaker 1: But just in doing a little bit of research on
Speaker 1: autism speaks, it seems like it's a group run by
Speaker 1: non autistic people trying to address autism, Like it's a
Speaker 1: problem in a way, like it's a like a fatal
Speaker 1: illness right in a way that's extremely dehumanizing. I mean,
Speaker 1: and and it's it's basically like the objective is to
Speaker 1: like quote unquote cure um in the same way that
Speaker 1: you would think of like my my perspective is like
Speaker 1: it's in the same way you would think of like
Speaker 1: a like a gay conversion camp. That is kind of
Speaker 1: what autism Speaks is trying to do for um for
Speaker 1: people who are autistic, and it's just incredibly disingenuous and dangerous.
Speaker 1: They compare three million US autistic children to three million
Speaker 1: missing children. They're like, if if the children were missing,
Speaker 1: we would the military would get involved with I mean,
Speaker 1: my god's son is autistic, and he is I understand
Speaker 1: like the evolution of you're having a child, and then
Speaker 1: if you're not prepared for you're you're not really familiar
Speaker 1: with any kind of neuro diversity. You hear this and
Speaker 1: you're like, that's different. Therefore, I'm my first instinct is
Speaker 1: to be like, but he's the most sensitive, intelligent child.
Speaker 1: That like, there's no way you could you could look
Speaker 1: at your child and be like, I feel different. I
Speaker 1: think this child is lost. I have like I have
Speaker 1: lost something. And the reason like that's so insidious this
Speaker 1: whole campaign is because like we're trying to enter an
Speaker 1: era where there's an acceptance about like the concept of neurodiversity,
Speaker 1: Like it's not a it's it's not a like a
Speaker 1: death sentence or affliction that autism or other neurocognitive disabilities
Speaker 1: are just more like their differences. There's just differences there.
Speaker 1: They represent the diversity UM rather than like you know,
Speaker 1: when like parent, what the parents go through. It's such
Speaker 1: a really really awful, awful take on it. And on
Speaker 1: top of it, they lobby like actively to prevent autistic
Speaker 1: adults from having any hand in legislation that would affect
Speaker 1: their day to day lives. Like they're completely on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of sucking everything. Yeah, it's completely disempowering. It's
Speaker 1: like predatory towards parents that are trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to like if you find out your child is autistic,
Speaker 1: this is like one of the first groups that will
Speaker 1: come up in this really predatory way. And like the
Speaker 1: way that they frame it there. I remember because there
Speaker 1: was a huge controversy of UM Sesame Street being allied
Speaker 1: with Autism Speaks a couple of years ago, and they
Speaker 1: ended up cutting it off. But but what they were
Speaker 1: doing was pushing this thing called the one day kit
Speaker 1: UM for parents who have learned that their children are autistic.
Speaker 1: That literally encourages you to frame it as if you
Speaker 1: have a child who has died UM and like going
Speaker 1: through the stages of grief instead of you actively accepting
Speaker 1: your child and learning, you know, just like learning about
Speaker 1: neurodiversity instead of rejecting it and grieving. It's just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like it has more to do with parents
Speaker 1: who had an idea of what their relationship with their
Speaker 1: child was going to be, like mourning that preconceived idea.
Speaker 1: And as you know, there was a op ed and
Speaker 1: I think the Washington Post from a mother of an
Speaker 1: autistic child who engages in more humane treatments and philosophies
Speaker 1: around parenting an autistic child, and she is like, Autism
Speaker 1: Speaks made this list of like here's what life is
Speaker 1: like for a parent of an autistic child. On bad days,
Speaker 1: they're depleted mentally, physically. Maybe they've been up all night
Speaker 1: caring for their teenage child, up yet again changing the
Speaker 1: sheets because they've had another bed wedding thing. Like She's like,
Speaker 1: as a family, we have experienced almost everything on this list,
Speaker 1: some with our autistic son, some with our other sons.
Speaker 1: Autism Speaks claims that this is autism, but toss, that's
Speaker 1: just parenting. That's uh yeah. So it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it started by like the grandparents of an autistic
Speaker 1: child and like it feels like some closed minded grandparents
Speaker 1: started this advocacy group because they thought their their family
Speaker 1: was going to look and be a certain way, and
Speaker 1: when it wasn't, it was so traumatic that they're like
Speaker 1: they died. Yeah, Like and how fucked up is that
Speaker 1: to be the grandchild to know that that's the perspective
Speaker 1: of your grandparents on who you are as a person,
Speaker 1: Like that You're lost, that you are somehow not who
Speaker 1: you are. Like it's it's like they can't even look
Speaker 1: at it, like from that perspective and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe this whole angle is sucked up, but there is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so binary. I like, there is only
Speaker 1: one acceptable way to be. And it is the sort
Speaker 1: of group that, no matter how much evidence that this
Speaker 1: is a clearly very harmful group, they're never going to
Speaker 1: shut down because they get so much money and they're
Speaker 1: the first Google result and they've gotten results that have
Speaker 1: actually pushed treating neuro divergency with respect and with humanity
Speaker 1: like backwards. It's so fucked yeah. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: having like a like a anti racism group that's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, these people are black, y'all. They're black.
Speaker 1: They are black? Can you believe it? Can you believe
Speaker 1: they are black? The hand they were dealt. We have
Speaker 1: to help them. Maybe there will be a cure for blackness.
Speaker 1: Forget who they are as people from our perspective and
Speaker 1: the hedgemonic place I hold into society. I see, Oh, Mike,
Speaker 1: I couldn't. They tried to have a autistic board member, uh,
Speaker 1: the author John Elda Robinson, but he resigned due to
Speaker 1: their mothering of people with autism, and so they're once
Speaker 1: again just like grandparents and parents of And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if if you know people who are autistic
Speaker 1: refused to be allied with this group in any way,
Speaker 1: Like that's all you need to fucking know. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk real quick about the right wing
Speaker 1: media freak out of the day. There is a storyline
Speaker 1: in one of the new issues of Captain America in
Speaker 1: which Steve Rogers and his friends have to track down
Speaker 1: Captain America's shield and they discover everyday people from all
Speaker 1: walks of life who have taken up the mantle of
Speaker 1: Captain America to defend their communities. One of them is
Speaker 1: Aaron Fisher, who is openly gay. In the first lgbt
Speaker 1: Q character to pick up caps shield in the comics
Speaker 1: eight year History, and that is what is causing a meltdown.
Speaker 1: I remember I saw a tweet from an activist was
Speaker 1: like wow, lgbt and Q very busy. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's what what is it? Well, so they have taken
Speaker 1: that because that storyline has uh a they it's they've
Speaker 1: had to take that out of context to get themselves
Speaker 1: mad and said that Captain America is gay. Now what's next? Um,
Speaker 1: So that's that's what they're mad about. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because these conservatives have completely lost whatever they
Speaker 1: thought idea, like the idea of America was or what
Speaker 1: made it great because like on one level, they're always
Speaker 1: like America protects a week, like we shield the week
Speaker 1: from aggressors, and it's like, oh great, So this person
Speaker 1: sounds like an activist who's standing up for people and
Speaker 1: protecting much in the Does he have those rings uh
Speaker 1: pertinent detail? Oh no, I don't know, like you got
Speaker 1: my what if you know? What do you get this
Speaker 1: ship off your face? Actually no, he wouldn't. He would
Speaker 1: be like I like it to Hey, I just got
Speaker 1: one look. Look, it's more cool, right, it's too high,
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, this harkens back to the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties Comics Code Authority, who had to put their stamp
Speaker 1: of approval on the cover of comics to get comic
Speaker 1: book stores to sell them because there was like a
Speaker 1: creepy psychiatrist who like made a big stink about the
Speaker 1: immorality of comic books. Uh, you know very much. What's
Speaker 1: next year going world can be traced back to a
Speaker 1: creepy psychologist. It's so many what the world? But the
Speaker 1: thing is as funny is like that was we're being
Speaker 1: fucked over because there was an era in which some
Speaker 1: asshole was just confident enough to spute some nonsense as
Speaker 1: being the absolute truth, and we didn't have enough information
Speaker 1: at our disposal. Were like, I mean, he's loud about it,
Speaker 1: whereas now you can't even say a vaccine is safe.
Speaker 1: And suddenly everybody what talk like completely different eras. And
Speaker 1: now we're taking this like really weird blind trust of
Speaker 1: the loudest asshole into the room into like our modern world,
Speaker 1: Like wait, what the fuck was what? What? H Yeah?
Speaker 1: And also Captain America has traditionally been like boundary pushing
Speaker 1: the comic head the first openly gay character and mainstream
Speaker 1: comic books in the eighties, um which the fact that
Speaker 1: it was in the eighties is shocking and probably a
Speaker 1: testament to that code. But it's just a not their
Speaker 1: best work in terms of moral panics. I guess this.
Speaker 1: If you have time to be mad about this right now,
Speaker 1: like get read a book, like get a fucking grip
Speaker 1: on on your life, if you have time to be
Speaker 1: mad about Captain America right now, right I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: of like this news Max asshole, who you can tell
Speaker 1: his brain has been completely taken over by toxic masculinity,
Speaker 1: Like his brain isn't if you open up his brain,
Speaker 1: it's just like a football connected to a barbell or
Speaker 1: some shi and it's he's like he's saying, the country's
Speaker 1: going bananas. He is a gay Captain America, complete with
Speaker 1: a nose ring tats. When he takes off his skull cap,
Speaker 1: there's he's got like a mohawk thing. He's not very muscular.
Speaker 1: What does this world come to critiqued his physique. It's
Speaker 1: a fucking drawing, sir, it's sir. It is a car
Speaker 1: too and not muscular, But that does you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like if when you look at that and
Speaker 1: you're you're you got, it's a five alarm fire in
Speaker 1: your mind. I don't even know what to tell, Like
Speaker 1: I always when I think of news Max, I truly do.
Speaker 1: Just think of a fourteen year old named Max sitting
Speaker 1: in his room like twick Man. That would have been
Speaker 1: like the best like response from the John Krasinski thing,
Speaker 1: like a news Max type thing. It's like, Hi, this
Speaker 1: is news Max. I'm Max from Max, and I have
Speaker 1: a few terrible ideas I applied to literally everything. I
Speaker 1: almost successfully wiped the John Krasinski YouTube show from my mind,
Speaker 1: and now it's like the game. You lose the game
Speaker 1: every time you remember John Krasinski's shitty million dollar YouTube show.
Speaker 1: Did you wipe it from your mind so you could
Speaker 1: be excited and surprised when the television version comes out
Speaker 1: in a couple of I did. I Like I did
Speaker 1: an Eternal Sunshine style procedure to forget about the John
Speaker 1: KASKI I could fall in love all over again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of went to a dodgy group on place
Speaker 1: to get Jamie has always such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? And here
Speaker 1: you will you can find me and all the usual places.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jamie Loft, This help, Instagram,
Speaker 1: Jamie christ Superstar. We just released Bechtel cost episode about
Speaker 1: both Stepford Wives this week that I'm very excited about.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's where you can find me. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: playing those on Classic podcast Radio. We're playing them at
Speaker 1: the Clubley. I heard Miley Cyrus is putting out bangers,
Speaker 1: but when you play it, it's just my your mensa.
Speaker 1: And yeah, people are starting to sample sample my podcast
Speaker 1: in music that's really mattering. It's Run the Jewels remixes.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I was thrilled with how it
Speaker 1: turned out. Yeah. Um, is there a tweet or some
Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a few tweets. I want to encourage people
Speaker 1: to A great resource I've been learning from and donating
Speaker 1: to in the past day has been Red Canary Song,
Speaker 1: which is a grassroots collective of Asian and migrants sex
Speaker 1: workers UM who are based in New York. But they
Speaker 1: organized transnationally. Um. And there's a lot of great resources
Speaker 1: on their website. And also it's a great place to
Speaker 1: give some money too if you have some extra money. Um.
Speaker 1: And the tweet I will shout out is just good
Speaker 1: old fashion fun because I still don't understand what an
Speaker 1: n f T is. Um. And it's from Phoebe Bridgers.
Speaker 1: Uh she said, p after sex or you will get
Speaker 1: an n f T. Miles, Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 1: PlayStation network, Miles Gray. Also the other podcast for twenty
Speaker 1: Day Fiance where we're talking ninety day um. And some
Speaker 1: tweets that are like ws Moron at w S underscore moron.
Speaker 1: Dudes will read Malcolm Gladwell but won't make their gal
Speaker 1: come mad well, like Bro, you're worried about the wrong
Speaker 1: tipping point and my wife. Uh. This one is from
Speaker 1: uh summer at he burrowed uh and it says I'm
Speaker 1: so stressed out from running my pet lizards Instagram account.
Speaker 1: And it's this video. It just looks like this grainy
Speaker 1: VHS video of this person lamenting so stressed out about
Speaker 1: an inflizard influenc account. I'm just gonna play a snippet
Speaker 1: of it, but you'll have to watch the whole video
Speaker 1: because it's just it's a great monologue. I'm so fucking
Speaker 1: stressed out for running my pet lizards Instagram account. I'm
Speaker 1: about to have a nervous breakdown. I told my therapist.
Speaker 1: She said, we'll take a break from your Pet Lizards
Speaker 1: Instagram's account. I said, I can't source of income. It
Speaker 1: goes on for a minute. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, god, this is so. It definitely has
Speaker 1: the vibe of like a good comedy video. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: the dramatic like um. And then last run from Malls
Speaker 1: at Molly D's. Since you know, we've got the great
Speaker 1: Yami Lofty, the great Dunkin Donuts advocate here Malls has
Speaker 1: a screenshot she says, this is fine. I love online
Speaker 1: dating and you know, like on the dating apps, there's
Speaker 1: like one question says I get along best with people
Speaker 1: who and this person is just a screen cap where
Speaker 1: this person wrote I love Dunking Donuts, especially they sausage
Speaker 1: on a crest sand c r e s marry me.
Speaker 1: That has the same energy as the Gregnant video. Holy shit. Um,
Speaker 1: couple tweets I've been enjoying. Carter Hamley tweeted Larry King
Speaker 1: just responding my garage, and Yadoya tweeted, no more pandemic
Speaker 1: puns please, I can't listen to one more person call
Speaker 1: it panorama or Panini or pangolin. It's boring. Please like
Speaker 1: any please that ends with it's boring? Please. Uh. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You
Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeis. Were at
Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan
Speaker 1: page and a website, Daily zygeist dot com where we
Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnote night that was pretty
Speaker 1: Let's capture that and just make that the new footnote
Speaker 1: where we link off to the information that we talked
Speaker 1: about today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: recommend you go check out. Now, Miles, what song are
Speaker 1: we recommending today? I mean, I think just because we've
Speaker 1: got Scat on the mind, I think we should just
Speaker 1: talk probably go out on one of the greatest scat
Speaker 1: soloists in jazz history. No, not Saravant, No, not e Fitzgerald. No,
Speaker 1: We're gonna okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, just a snippet because
Speaker 1: if you don't know it, this will just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just give you a little bit, so you go find
Speaker 1: the video. Well, het all dogs and winked at all
Speaker 1: the sheet dogs the town ever such a hullabaloo, and
Speaker 1: that little dog raised. Yeah, I see. Do you have
Speaker 1: to see it, appetizer, but you really need to see
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the whole interview. Um if possible, Um,
Speaker 1: just the luck on her husband's face when he's like
Speaker 1: playing the base. I forgot I did want to plug
Speaker 1: an indie movie that came out this week called The
Speaker 1: Snyder Cut. Thank you forgot to forgot to mention plug
Speaker 1: it for my guy. Yeah, go check that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is less of an amuse bush and more
Speaker 1: of an amuse Yeah. I think his ear right uthing whatever.
Speaker 1: Probably Look, I'm trying to trying to keep all right.
Speaker 1: We're gonna ride out on that. The Daily Zyga is
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