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Speaker 1: the Food Fighters a little just nostalgia moment we had
Speaker 1: in the Trends episode. Thanks to skip for that. Any
Speaker 1: time to get my roll on. They'll can't believe that's
Speaker 1: a Food Fighters song? Um, well we are. You don't
Speaker 1: believe that it? Yeah, I still don't believe you. I
Speaker 1: think you're allowing to me. We are thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the hilarious,
Speaker 1: the talented Chelsea Devonte. We're happy. That's my phone. Love it.
Speaker 1: What's new? Nothing, don't be crazy. We're not allowed to
Speaker 1: ask what's new until I don't know? Next fall better
Speaker 1: than what did you want? How you doing? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying because about just like I see
Speaker 1: your pain, I feel your pain. Welcome and I recognize
Speaker 1: that to start off, we feel your pain. Welcome you. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. Wow. Now I feel so comforted and welcome.
Speaker 1: No good vibes, Morning vibes only, morning vibes only. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it feels a little better as we're sort
Speaker 1: of like singing the light at the end of the
Speaker 1: tunnel for the pandemic, it feels a little better. I
Speaker 1: did start trying to train my needy quarantine dog to
Speaker 1: get ready for a day when I leave the house,
Speaker 1: and it's going horrifically. So that's what's new with me.
Speaker 1: Oh nice? My uh four year old still covers his
Speaker 1: mouth every time he walks outside, so he's it's my
Speaker 1: quarantine dog. Oh my god. I hope, I hope when
Speaker 1: he is a middle aged man he's still has very
Speaker 1: good I think it's actually pretty considerate, to be honest.
Speaker 1: More people should just cover their mouths like he's going
Speaker 1: to have like a Tom Hardy thing, except in real life.
Speaker 1: Instead of never showing his mouth in movies, he just
Speaker 1: will never show his mouth period. In general. It's very
Speaker 1: like a Cia move, like she didn't show her face.
Speaker 1: He's talking yeah, yeah, and then she got rid of
Speaker 1: that a few years and so he'll be face und Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. He'll be fine. Scorpions sub zero vibes.
Speaker 1: It's some sort of superhero origin story, or it could
Speaker 1: be a Mortal Kombat bad guy. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know where, I know what I'm hoping for. You know,
Speaker 1: as a kid, I always wanted to be a Mortal
Speaker 1: Kombat bad guy, but never could. So my unfulfilled dreams
Speaker 1: will push him in that direction for sure, Chelsea. We
Speaker 1: are going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners
Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about. We are, of
Speaker 1: course going to talk about another mass shooting, this time
Speaker 1: in Boulder, Colorado. Uh. We're gonna talk about the uh,
Speaker 1: the narrative that's been around for a while that, Um,
Speaker 1: the silver lining of the pandemic is that there have
Speaker 1: been fewer mass shootings, which isn't exactly true. I mean
Speaker 1: I guess like based on very specific definitions it's true,
Speaker 1: but actually overall shootings are up. We'll uh say, with
Speaker 1: all our back for fox sake, Joe Biden. Uh he's
Speaker 1: now back on his I don't know about this whole
Speaker 1: uh killing the filibuster. Uh. We'll talk about Ellen, We'll
Speaker 1: talk about a game changing UFO report that could be coming.
Speaker 1: All of that plenty more. But first, Chelsea, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that's revealing about who you are, what you're up to,
Speaker 1: where you know what? Let me open it right now
Speaker 1: this live intense drumroll please okay. UM. I was recently
Speaker 1: looking up Dolly Parton's husband, Carl Dean. Um the enigma
Speaker 1: that is Carl Deane because um, you know, as you
Speaker 1: guys know, I have the podcast Celebrity Book Club where
Speaker 1: I read celebrity memoirs and I always thought of Dolly partners,
Speaker 1: you know, an enigma, and we don't know anything about Carl,
Speaker 1: And then you read her nineteen autobiography and You're like,
Speaker 1: there's a ship ton about Carl and here, I mean
Speaker 1: there's too much. There's too much. She's like, she describes you, guys,
Speaker 1: Carl Deane. I don't know if you saw this coming
Speaker 1: because you are you are you Dolly Parton fans? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we're we're Dolly fan adjacent. So the lore
Speaker 1: intersects with the show pretty often. I think the last
Speaker 1: time we talked about Carl Deane, we were just like
Speaker 1: laughing at how like norm core he was. But then
Speaker 1: then how that like kind of made sense for them
Speaker 1: as a that's amazing. I'm gonna ruin that for you too.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please do. Because then my other thing was
Speaker 1: like maybe he's a freak. Um no, he's not a
Speaker 1: total freak. But but here's like a story she told
Speaker 1: about him of like like a friend and I'm I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get something wrong. She would she told stories
Speaker 1: about bits. Carl likes to do. Carl all loves bits.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's not not more than that,
Speaker 1: like your comedian manentering type, like he loves bits. He
Speaker 1: has a solid chunk on the Trader. Joe's the Trader,
Speaker 1: Joe's um, not saying it, but like a physical he
Speaker 1: loves a physical gag. So apparently, like to to make
Speaker 1: one of her friends laugh, he put on these like
Speaker 1: huge like a huge necklace of like cow teeth and
Speaker 1: maybe like a weird hat that went with it, like
Speaker 1: a full you know, full thing comes walking in and
Speaker 1: stuck to the bit for nine hours, nine hours of
Speaker 1: having a cow teeth like just just a fooky outfit on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think I think he was also playing a character.
Speaker 1: I think he had a voice, oh yeah. And then
Speaker 1: there's another story about how she was at a concert
Speaker 1: once and like looked over and Carl had just joined
Speaker 1: the band and was like singing with the bands, like
Speaker 1: faking yeah, and then like as part of their coupledom,
Speaker 1: she had him arrested by the cops, like this stranger
Speaker 1: wandered on stage with us, Please arrest this man who's
Speaker 1: as like part of it, like Carl will find this
Speaker 1: hilarious him. And then here's the third layer. They've never
Speaker 1: acknowledged it to each other, and Dolly says, Carl likes
Speaker 1: the jokes better that wait, so this rule so he
Speaker 1: doesn't know that she had him arrested, so he knows.
Speaker 1: They just it's like a committing to the bit of
Speaker 1: like he pretended to be a stranger, She pretended he
Speaker 1: was a stranger to aim arrested, he did his bid
Speaker 1: like a boss six months. Yeah, it doesn't drop, it
Speaker 1: doesn't call it out. Yeah. So yeah, So if if
Speaker 1: you're a Dolly head and you want to know about
Speaker 1: Carl Dean, pick up the book or there wasn't my podcast.
Speaker 1: Honestly that's a better plug, but were talking about it
Speaker 1: or that it just it is so norm core and
Speaker 1: that she has a juvenile, annoying how has been annoying
Speaker 1: the funk out of her and then get arrested. But
Speaker 1: then you're kind of into that too, because you're like,
Speaker 1: that's my contribution. Yeah, He's like he's got like weird
Speaker 1: dead vibes, like the silly dad who's like always doing
Speaker 1: bad dad jokes but like taking them too far to
Speaker 1: the point that it makes everybody uncomfortable. Yes, yes, although
Speaker 1: I I I love this Carl is norm core theory,
Speaker 1: But I I feel like if Carl were Norm Coore
Speaker 1: when Dolly got famous, he would have got competitive, divorced
Speaker 1: her or tried to be her manager and then of
Speaker 1: those things happened and he's still with her, and like,
Speaker 1: lets her clearly have an open marriage that he doesn't
Speaker 1: participate in. So that's where I'm just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know that. Is it an open marriage? It is,
Speaker 1: I will tell you this from reading the book and
Speaker 1: from her interview with Barbara Walters, there's no way it's
Speaker 1: not an open marriage. However, Dolly is the one in
Speaker 1: the open Carl. She says, I believe Carl, I'm the
Speaker 1: only person he's ever been with with all my heart.
Speaker 1: And then in other parts of the book she's like,
Speaker 1: I've never met a man I didn't want to have
Speaker 1: sex with. And then in the Q and A she
Speaker 1: it's of like a very funny Q and A. In
Speaker 1: the back of the book, they say, have you ever
Speaker 1: cheated on Carl? And she said, that's, uh, that's for
Speaker 1: me to know and for you and Carl to find out.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that her being witty or you think
Speaker 1: that's her just kind of being like, yeah, I cheat,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give you a cute and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be a com um. I mean, she is definitely she
Speaker 1: loves to joke her away at the truth. However, in
Speaker 1: the book. She's also like, I'm so horny. I mean
Speaker 1: throughout the she's like, I'm so horny. I love sex, um,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if I could believe in God,
Speaker 1: but now I do because I can have sex. I
Speaker 1: love sex. And me and Carl Dean don't live together
Speaker 1: often and I often don't see him. So the math
Speaker 1: equation on that to me is like, Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: Dolly's getting it in. Yeah. If she's not, I'm devastated,
Speaker 1: so I'm just to leave. But yeah, the Barbara Walter's
Speaker 1: interview I thought made it clear if they have an
Speaker 1: open marriage. Yeah, okay, it's it's like literally impossible for
Speaker 1: her to like every detail that you just said makes
Speaker 1: her more endearing. She's just maybe the most endearing human ever.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I totally agree. The only unendearing thing
Speaker 1: about her is that she uh hates the word feminist.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I feel like even on like
Speaker 1: she's I feel like she comes around on black lives
Speaker 1: matters issues and you think he has done wrong, feels
Speaker 1: like we call her out, she she changes, is accountable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we hold her in high regard. But yeah, now
Speaker 1: the whole time, we're like man, was Carl just getting
Speaker 1: cucked the whole time? Was like, well she with Burt
Speaker 1: Reynolds or was that just like his kink where he's
Speaker 1: like tender with them? That's we because we've actually the
Speaker 1: last time we brought him up was in the context
Speaker 1: of like does she cheat and if she does, does
Speaker 1: he know? Does he like that or does he just
Speaker 1: likes he knows? Oh, he knows. And also what I
Speaker 1: love about the Burt Reynolds thing is that he Burt
Speaker 1: Reynolds wrote his memoir n that's when Dolly Partons came out.
Speaker 1: In his memoir, He's like, maybe me and Dolly Parton
Speaker 1: had a thing. I'll never tell you, but she wanted
Speaker 1: to fuck me. And in Dolly Parton's memoir she writes,
Speaker 1: I could never funck Burt Reynolds. He's like a brother
Speaker 1: to me. We both wear wigs and high heels. And
Speaker 1: it came out the same year, like they already published
Speaker 1: when they both had to look at each other and
Speaker 1: be like few people know. Carl Deane was the photographer
Speaker 1: on that Burt Reynolds bear skin photos back. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? Chelsea? You know
Speaker 1: right now? For me, Twitter, Twitter, because you know, I
Speaker 1: was at first with Twitter like you will hear us.
Speaker 1: The media will not tell us our voice. We will
Speaker 1: tell you our voice. And then you know, after the
Speaker 1: last election, when um, white women voters went up, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I don't think it is helping,
Speaker 1: and I previously thought it was. And now I'm kind
Speaker 1: of at a place where, uh, it's it's where I
Speaker 1: just I used to log in every day with Glee
Speaker 1: and the Joys dying white women Trump voters, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right right right, yeah. Not well, maybe white women voters
Speaker 1: and numbers also went up, but maybe that was Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift tweeting, so maybe there's a positive effects. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Trump voters going up, just in terms of like, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like often logg you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: we're getting woker and language shifts every day and a
Speaker 1: lot of like things have come to my attention via
Speaker 1: Twitter that wouldn't have before, and so it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: we're changing, we're moving, um and lately on days on
Speaker 1: Twitter where I'm like, we're absolutely not and and not
Speaker 1: only are we neutral, Twitter's uh making us go backwards, right, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's it's such a like quadruple edged sword and you
Speaker 1: don't know which end you're gonna catch whenever you open
Speaker 1: the fucking thing. Yeah. And then sometimes it's a grenade
Speaker 1: and you're like, what the fuck, it's an envelope full
Speaker 1: of rising Yeah. Yeah, And and every time I remember
Speaker 1: like only seven percent of Americans are on Twitter, then
Speaker 1: I'm able to ingest the news with more clarity because
Speaker 1: it's just not the same world. Yeah, and it actually
Speaker 1: like edit to itself to what it thinks you want
Speaker 1: to hear. So that's also not healthy. Probably, Yeah, why
Speaker 1: social media, I think, but we all deal with it.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like very It's like we can
Speaker 1: see the good when there's good in it. But then,
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of us are rapidly being
Speaker 1: like have reached or at least for me, like a
Speaker 1: threshold where like I can no longer compartmentalize the things
Speaker 1: that make me anxious about being there, and it's like overflowing.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, nope, not have to great boundaries. So
Speaker 1: a dabble like when I need to sort of catch
Speaker 1: up on something, but yet yes, feels like there was
Speaker 1: a humanity in it. You know, when you tweet, you
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're a human in a room, but
Speaker 1: even more so now in the pandemic, you don't even
Speaker 1: feel like a human anymore. So what people are sending now,
Speaker 1: you're sort of feel like people are forgetting what this
Speaker 1: tool is for and how it should be used. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like basically the scrawling on like this side of
Speaker 1: like a prison cave wall, like where people are like, wow,
Speaker 1: look what they etched into the walls, these desperate people
Speaker 1: trying to escape. Yeah, yeah, it's bathroom graffitient of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is underrated? Deep diving on
Speaker 1: the piers Morgan Megan markle of the bottom because you know,
Speaker 1: at headline you're like, oh, he said he didn't believe
Speaker 1: that she had suicidal ideations. Now he's fired. But then
Speaker 1: when you look into it and that interview that actually
Speaker 1: got him in trouble, a reporter had the balls to
Speaker 1: be like, Megan used to be your friend. She doesn't
Speaker 1: talk to you any more, and now you can't take it.
Speaker 1: And he was like god, he like storms off his
Speaker 1: own set, and I was like, wait, they were friends,
Speaker 1: and this is all over petty where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's racism, it's not understanding mental health, but at the
Speaker 1: core of it that bitch wanted to be friends with
Speaker 1: the princess and he's so mad that she won't be
Speaker 1: his friend. Yeah, yeah, I thought, Oh man, I just
Speaker 1: it was Yeah, it really was interesting to see, like
Speaker 1: how the momentum for his storming off was building. The
Speaker 1: second that guy Alex was like starting to pivot to like, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing YouTube and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like what are what are we learning? And then yeah,
Speaker 1: when he blew the top, he was like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: so it's so incredible to see someone be like I
Speaker 1: say scathing things and you can't take it. And then
Speaker 1: he uh he couldn't even sit still on his own set, sir,
Speaker 1: classic you know what I mean? Yeah, right, the second
Speaker 1: Oh like okay, well now let me put you under
Speaker 1: the microscope there, like, oh no, it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with my friendship. You're like, because I'm racist. I'm racist,
Speaker 1: and I take I have a bad perspective on mental
Speaker 1: health issues. It's not because I'm thirsty. Did he think
Speaker 1: people weren't going to find that clip of him talking
Speaker 1: about how like she goes to him and now that's
Speaker 1: how his feelings are hurt. Most people behave who have
Speaker 1: shipped on the internet, like she can't be found. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: that it's so true. He's like really was just like
Speaker 1: we're going to move on from that. But I will
Speaker 1: say I think that I think it worked, which pisces
Speaker 1: me off, Like I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: like Pierce Morgang got fired because you know, he's racist
Speaker 1: and right and he and he's like, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: calling out snowflakes until we got fired, and where it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I really wish there was better reporting on, Like he's
Speaker 1: really upset that she won't be friends with him, and
Speaker 1: that would take away his narrative of I've been bullied,
Speaker 1: cancel cultures out of control, like all those hot button
Speaker 1: phrases he gets to use would be gone if you said,
Speaker 1: like if she texted you, would this be over? If
Speaker 1: I've been canceled from our group text she removes me
Speaker 1: from the thread. It goes green now when I send it,
Speaker 1: it can't be she does the little Megan Marco liked it,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't say words right. It's actually quite heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: I think he said that. Yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: very Trumpian. It's very like I think it ties back
Speaker 1: to you know, you're overrated, that you can just lie
Speaker 1: and even though there is evidence out there that this
Speaker 1: is actually just you having a temper tantrum because somebody
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be your friend, because most people are
Speaker 1: finding out about the story from a artificial intelligence that
Speaker 1: like will filter that information out because it's not doesn't
Speaker 1: fit in with like the narrow If they want to know,
Speaker 1: then like, you can just lie, Like you don't even
Speaker 1: have to worry about what the truth is at this point.
Speaker 1: You just you can lie from one sentence to the
Speaker 1: next and just know that, uh, some people are going
Speaker 1: to get the one sentence and other people are going
Speaker 1: to get the other sentence, and yeah it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a bleak, a bleak takeaway, and yet it
Speaker 1: totally is what's happening right now. Honestly, remind you a
Speaker 1: coworker I had where they would um be really cruel
Speaker 1: and mean to everyone and then show up, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd have big outbursts and then the next day they
Speaker 1: would showing me like, hi, how are you? We should
Speaker 1: get drinks, And really, in my head I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I guess everything's fine. Maybe that maybe I did blow
Speaker 1: that out of proportion, and we are friends, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a phenomenal tactic. Yeah, keep people off footed,
Speaker 1: you know, you're like we're solid ground. Yeah. Yeah. One
Speaker 1: of my first bosses was so incredibly cruel in email
Speaker 1: and then like so nice to your face, and it
Speaker 1: was just like such a fucking gas lighting thing. It
Speaker 1: was so weird, but it was like exclusive, like it
Speaker 1: was always mean an email, like unequivocal rather than like
Speaker 1: this sort of vagueness of the written word, like he
Speaker 1: was like, well, like hey, you fuck wit what I
Speaker 1: say about Yeah, like just a complete dick. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like that's some coward ship though, because you got
Speaker 1: the energy in the email. But when I pulled up,
Speaker 1: I r L. You're like he would be like a
Speaker 1: door like in his office and I'm like twenty ft away,
Speaker 1: and he'd send an email that was like so mean,
Speaker 1: and then I walk in and he'd be like, oh
Speaker 1: what's that man, like like I'm sorry, so disturbing. But
Speaker 1: he was a lawyer, and I think maybe that is
Speaker 1: like lawyers use like words to attack and like make
Speaker 1: things as I'm also making excuses for him. I think
Speaker 1: he might don't defer him. Don't have a theory that
Speaker 1: you know when they say like, oh, um, when you
Speaker 1: get drunk, you know, your truths come out. I think
Speaker 1: when you tweet or email, your true personality comes out.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's like you know, people like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're insufferable on Twitter, but they're so cool in person.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a bummer they're insufferable on Twitter.
Speaker 1: My theory is that they are insufferable, they just learned
Speaker 1: how to hide it in person, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you know, what are we gonna do? What does
Speaker 1: it matter? We're not hanging out. We don't see you
Speaker 1: get it? I get why. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: those invitations are turned down. Now I am pretty insufferable.
Speaker 1: But Chelsea, before we move on, I do just wanna
Speaker 1: your first time on the show, you mentioned that you
Speaker 1: had seen Trump' selection and then Biden's elections coming because
Speaker 1: you watched The Bachelor, and just like through reading the
Speaker 1: Bachelor tea leaves, you were able to, like end of
Speaker 1: make some predictions about where the culture was headed, which
Speaker 1: is like catnip for this show is like the perfect
Speaker 1: cross section of things are show cares about. So I
Speaker 1: I did want to ask, because a lot has been
Speaker 1: going on in the world as a Bachelor, Uh, what
Speaker 1: does it mean? Do you have any takeaways from this season? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean listen. I think my greatest thing ever
Speaker 1: that happened to me this year was on your show,
Speaker 1: predicting Biden it would win from the Bachelor. That that
Speaker 1: is my crown, my shining moment um. So that said,
Speaker 1: this season, for anyone who's not watching or didn't watch,
Speaker 1: it's over now. Uh. They the first black Bachelor and
Speaker 1: they had more women of color than ever in history
Speaker 1: as as their contestants, and at the end of it,
Speaker 1: he picked a white woman who went to slave parties. Uh.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, three years ago. I think we are
Speaker 1: headed it. It is heinous. We are headed. When people
Speaker 1: are like the race wars are coming, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: they're not After the Bachelor, and yes they are. Yes
Speaker 1: they are. Um, because did you guys watch the After
Speaker 1: the Rows where you know where they handled it and
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison wasn't even the host And yeah, so they
Speaker 1: for for that show. I'm saying not in contexts of
Speaker 1: the world before that show. Both of them, both Matt
Speaker 1: the Bachelor and Rachel the former winner. They've broken up
Speaker 1: since I thought handled that as good as you possibly
Speaker 1: could for the show and really made salient points, and
Speaker 1: she really was taking accountability also not wasting our time
Speaker 1: with um apologies, Like it was like whoever coached them?
Speaker 1: Phenomenal phenomenal team there. Yeah, and like really talked about
Speaker 1: like why what she did was truly fucked up and
Speaker 1: how much it hurt him, this man she loves, and
Speaker 1: and fans still got online to be like, fuck you, Matt,
Speaker 1: how dare you break up with her for being racist
Speaker 1: three years ago? She's changed, you know, And and they
Speaker 1: like yelled at him, and there's accounts defending her, and
Speaker 1: she'll even say like, please don't make these accounts. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn and to be a better person.
Speaker 1: Please stop attacking Matt and being racist, And they're like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck you, Rachel, You're great. This guy sucks. You're great
Speaker 1: for me, yes, yeah, And it's like we watched we
Speaker 1: watched a love story. We watched the most nuanced version
Speaker 1: of how your ignorance becomes racism and ruins the love
Speaker 1: of your life. And people still walked away being like, nah,
Speaker 1: she's great, she's great. He sucks. I don't know if
Speaker 1: just it feels like the sort of part in parcel
Speaker 1: though in general, where it's like yeah, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like they're just certain things. America isn't
Speaker 1: gonna fully be on board and saying objectively it's bad,
Speaker 1: like manticizing the Antebellum South is not like people like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fucked up, might be like, oh, come on, no, no,
Speaker 1: eighteen the capital hadn't even been stormed yet. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I think it's like the tread of progress I feel
Speaker 1: like that has occurred is that people will be like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: those parties are bad, but then where it stops is
Speaker 1: where they're like, but she's just a college kid, and
Speaker 1: even though we've decided they're bad, who who's to know
Speaker 1: what she in college? And I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: who's to say? And also we should forgive her immediately,
Speaker 1: And America is definitely not ready to be like no,
Speaker 1: there's accountability that has to happen and not understanding that
Speaker 1: makes for a bad interracial relationship in one yeah, or
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of people who would get
Speaker 1: interracial relationships, you sometimes you find moments your gob smacks
Speaker 1: that you're with a white person who says anything like
Speaker 1: oh right, right, right, right right, this may be an
Speaker 1: experiment for you, and now I'm then on out of here. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the realization many people have. I the one thing that
Speaker 1: I thought was, like, the producers on that show really
Speaker 1: did Matt dirty and like that whole the thing with
Speaker 1: his dad. A lot of it felt very like superficially
Speaker 1: exploitative for this like one dimensional understanding of what it
Speaker 1: meant to be a black person in America. And I
Speaker 1: was like, but that's a but that's ABC. I mean
Speaker 1: ABC did terrific job. And also, um, Rachel the first
Speaker 1: Bachelorette's not Rachel Matt's former girlfriend. She's just so phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I feel like she has done so much for the
Speaker 1: country by existing on that show. I I she is
Speaker 1: my president. And she very rightly pointed out on on
Speaker 1: Twitter that you know the stereotype that black men abandon
Speaker 1: their sons, and then ABC with the first black Bachelor,
Speaker 1: just like gave that so much air time. I think
Speaker 1: it sounds like some white producer was like, all right,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna offer a promise ring that's a bummer.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna actually engage he's going to offer a promise, ring,
Speaker 1: let's bring his dad on and that'll be the through
Speaker 1: line for why he's actually not gonna get engaged tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And everyone was like, yeah, let's escape. Got the black
Speaker 1: community d for the result we didn't expect as producers
Speaker 1: who are now, Wow, it's America like at every level
Speaker 1: in general. So yeah, yeah, yeah, and also, you know,
Speaker 1: just to pretend that anyone woke would ever get on
Speaker 1: that show is also hilarious. Yeah, exactly the Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then it all depends what's how woke are you? But
Speaker 1: also how much are you chasing that influencer buck? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's really what because as an
Speaker 1: economical economical decision just phenomenal, A woke keeps your broke,
Speaker 1: you know the old saying on ABC that is almost
Speaker 1: definitely being said at this moment. Yeah for sure. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, uh, and we're back to the high
Speaker 1: profile uh mass shooting. Another one at the beginning of
Speaker 1: this week in Boulder, Colorado. Um, so almost like clockwork
Speaker 1: that these start happening again. We'll we'll talk in a
Speaker 1: second about the myth that they ever stopped, ever stopped,
Speaker 1: or that gun violence ever stopped. But this particular type
Speaker 1: of mass shooting where there's more than four people who
Speaker 1: die besides the gunmen, which very specific taxonomy that we're
Speaker 1: requiring the absurdity of our times. Yeah, but those ones
Speaker 1: that make that happened in public, that make the culture
Speaker 1: sort of stand still for or fifteen minutes and then
Speaker 1: nobody do anything. Uh, seemed to be back and Fox
Speaker 1: News was was back to, uh, you know, doing their
Speaker 1: responsible coverage of immediately immediately back to just deciding whatever
Speaker 1: the story is. I'm surprised they didn't go for their
Speaker 1: low hanging racist fruit in this instance. Um. But rather
Speaker 1: than do that, uh and say like this is some
Speaker 1: kind of extremist terrorism or something like that, now they're saying, uh,
Speaker 1: it has to do with the Black Lives Matter protests. Um.
Speaker 1: So Sean Hannity had Damn Bongino on, and Hannity's there,
Speaker 1: there's a clip I don't even want to hear his voice.
Speaker 1: He's the saying, quote, obviously very scary, horrific shooting at Boulder. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then he goes on to say, you know, we're often
Speaker 1: reminded and then we forget, remember what do we want
Speaker 1: dead cops? When do we want them now? Pigs in
Speaker 1: a blanket, fry am like bacon, bottles, rocks, bricks, molotov cocktails.
Speaker 1: They're not riots. We were told all summer over cops injured,
Speaker 1: But these are the cops that go put themselves in
Speaker 1: harm's way and in the case, we lost one tonight.
Speaker 1: So he's saying that this is just for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: that's the Black Lives Matter had inspired this person to
Speaker 1: do this um. And then you have Dan Bongino go
Speaker 1: on like just like right after their um, you just
Speaker 1: find his quote he says, yeah, he comes in, Yeah, Sean,
Speaker 1: don't forget what this defund the police? Crowd that wasn't
Speaker 1: a social worker that walked in there, Okay, he said,
Speaker 1: everybody else is racing to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 1: They're going up in the other direction, and now we're
Speaker 1: going to defund the police, disparage the police. So just
Speaker 1: trying to spin all that, I just want to keep
Speaker 1: in mind Dan Bongino, who got his start on n
Speaker 1: R A t v UM. While you want to say like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's this is this is this people who
Speaker 1: got out in the streets because they were standing in
Speaker 1: opposition to rampant police violence created this mass shooter. It's
Speaker 1: and not you know, completely ignoring the fact it might
Speaker 1: not be the fact that we're failing people in need
Speaker 1: left and right. Um, maybe not the fact that we
Speaker 1: aren't doing anything at all to even curb gun violence.
Speaker 1: So why even factor that into your analysis, or the
Speaker 1: fact that the n r A was shifting on a
Speaker 1: bill in Colorado a week ago regarding the ban on
Speaker 1: assault rifles. They were this ship the n r A
Speaker 1: just dunked on the state legislature last week to keep
Speaker 1: a band from happening over you know, like they're trying
Speaker 1: to control the amount of assault rifles and high capacity magazines.
Speaker 1: We're out there and here they go. They're just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what was used in the in the shooting
Speaker 1: at thet It's like tales as old as time. And yeah,
Speaker 1: this whole thing was there was a federal lawsuit backed
Speaker 1: by the local n r A chapter to go after
Speaker 1: this local ordinance and then they won. The bankrupt n
Speaker 1: r A. Yes, the bankrupt inn r A is like
Speaker 1: we still have a voice, yeah, because it didn't you
Speaker 1: file for Chapter eleven. But the culture is still there,
Speaker 1: and I mean the organization might not be, but they
Speaker 1: did what they had to do to inundate people with
Speaker 1: this idea of the Second Amendment. And the most fucked
Speaker 1: up thing is right, this is just kind of like
Speaker 1: a This is just part and parcel with how a
Speaker 1: lot of states who are trying to control gun violence
Speaker 1: end up like just button heads with the n r
Speaker 1: A and how they it down. So you know, a
Speaker 1: year after Combine, Colorado had a Republican legislature. The first
Speaker 1: thing they did shielded gun manufacturers from lawsuits. That so
Speaker 1: like we we we see how the party works in
Speaker 1: democratic legislature. And then hick and Looper democratic governor had
Speaker 1: little like modest gun control that they were backing just
Speaker 1: to regulate the firearms. Pro gun groups, they mounted like
Speaker 1: recall campaigns that were successful against the lawmakers who backed
Speaker 1: the measures. They were successful recall campaigns. And then on Monday,
Speaker 1: as the news is being reported, the n r A
Speaker 1: tweeted out the text of the Second Amendment as the
Speaker 1: news was being reported, like in response, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't I'm who knows, but the way that when
Speaker 1: the news breaks and then what when they're tweeting. They're
Speaker 1: tweeting ship out about the Second Amendment, which is probably
Speaker 1: makes sense because this is usually what happens. We start
Speaker 1: now well maybe have some kind of functioning debate about
Speaker 1: gun control. But that's why they have to evoke the
Speaker 1: Second Amend meant to be like, this is what's at stake, folks. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think they were tweeting out in response to
Speaker 1: the gun raillance. I think a seven year old man
Speaker 1: open Twitter n r A at n r A two
Speaker 1: years ago and has been trying to make that tweet
Speaker 1: and finally figured it out and was after two years
Speaker 1: the seven year old running that account tweeted it and
Speaker 1: was like, damn it, what was it? But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they're already on their ship though, you know, because
Speaker 1: Schumer's talking about gun control and everything, so then are
Speaker 1: already has statements. So yeah, yeah, absolutely it is. It
Speaker 1: is interesting to you to wonder, how, you know, because
Speaker 1: they've just bought so many senators and uh people in
Speaker 1: the House with n r A money for their votes
Speaker 1: and now being bankrupt. I am curious if the debate
Speaker 1: will be affected going forward, or if there are too
Speaker 1: many other pro gun groups with twho can fill that
Speaker 1: economical space. But I wonder if we will make ground.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard because, like, on one level, of
Speaker 1: the sentiment and ideology that the n r A has
Speaker 1: just infused within the populace isn't gonna go away because
Speaker 1: they're bankrupt, like they sold people on the they're gonna
Speaker 1: take your guns. But yeah, I'm curious are those numbers
Speaker 1: and votes, like will that vote currency outweigh the actual
Speaker 1: money they were getting con re election. We'll see, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's where we'll see how it'll be clear
Speaker 1: based on how strong the pushback is. But the fact
Speaker 1: that we're not seeing any Republicans be like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: should probably get ahold of ourselves has me believing that
Speaker 1: even if the n r A is not there, that
Speaker 1: they have the voters minds still in the same spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gun ownership skyrocketed in right right because again we were saying,
Speaker 1: we can't talk about this without talking about this myth
Speaker 1: that as I was writing it, I was engaging in,
Speaker 1: and then JM. R. Writer was like just bringing up
Speaker 1: this myth about I was like, yeah, you know, with
Speaker 1: mass shootings going down in the pandemic or like we
Speaker 1: felt like we hadn't heard of one, and I mean
Speaker 1: he he posted a couple of headlines and a year
Speaker 1: of paying one silver lining fewer mass shootings. That's from
Speaker 1: the ap Mass shootings in public spaces had become less
Speaker 1: frequent during the pandemic. New York Times mass live. There
Speaker 1: hasn't been a single mass shooting in the US since
Speaker 1: the COVID pandemic took hold. That they are all using, uh,
Speaker 1: this very specific language that defines mass shootings as four
Speaker 1: people dead without the shooter, not counting the shooter. And
Speaker 1: when you look at overall statistics, there were over nineteen
Speaker 1: thousand people killed in firearm related deaths, not including suicides,
Speaker 1: in which is the highest death toll in over twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's literally because we couldn't have big gatherings that mass
Speaker 1: shootings went down, but singular shootings, Yeah, I mean that,
Speaker 1: and like everybody was line enough for guns. Yeah, none,
Speaker 1: ownership shot up, And I mean that's like the messaging
Speaker 1: is so specific, and so you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: the messaging from the year and the way that the
Speaker 1: pandemic was covered and the way that Trump was covered,
Speaker 1: and then the way that the Black Lives Matter protests
Speaker 1: were covered, I feel like, contributes to the you know,
Speaker 1: spike and gun ownership, and then they don't cover the
Speaker 1: actual consequences of that because the the shootings aren't like that,
Speaker 1: and they're happening in in in the earth, you know,
Speaker 1: like where there are people of color. That's where the
Speaker 1: lack of resources and the tension is going to spill
Speaker 1: over into violence. First, it's not gonna happen in fucking
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. And yeah, it's like the whole idea, like
Speaker 1: the fucking so intentionally tricky right to how we even
Speaker 1: can categorize what a mass shooting is. There's no way
Speaker 1: now to look at all this ship and being like, well,
Speaker 1: is it four pp plus the shooter? Is it three
Speaker 1: people plus the shooter? Is it a two piece plus
Speaker 1: an injury? Like the fact is people are being shot, right,
Speaker 1: and to to start creating all these things and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: well did I cheat? We'll hear there's levels of meat cheating.
Speaker 1: Was it the version where I came and they came
Speaker 1: to Is it version where I came quick and they
Speaker 1: didn't come, she didn't come? Okay, so we're good, are
Speaker 1: you know? Motherfucker? This is still bad? And why and
Speaker 1: like so we get caught up in this like these
Speaker 1: silos of how to differentiate, and then we're left with
Speaker 1: this false narrative while realistically gun violence has skyrocketed. Also,
Speaker 1: when they report on uh gun, you know, gun violence,
Speaker 1: will say, oh, no death, but you know, three people
Speaker 1: had critical wounds. And I think oftentimes, and I know
Speaker 1: I didn't for a long time, you don't realize that
Speaker 1: a critical wound may mean, um, they lost their eye
Speaker 1: or both of their legs are ampty amputated. But they say, oh,
Speaker 1: no one died, No one died, But you know, three
Speaker 1: people with critical injuries, and you don't realize the extent
Speaker 1: of what of what that injury is because you just
Speaker 1: have the relief of no death. And there's a big
Speaker 1: missing detail where like we see the dropping murder rate
Speaker 1: over the past forty or like twenty five years, and
Speaker 1: a lot of that is like advances in emergency medicine
Speaker 1: being able to save people's lives who you know, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to in the past. So right,
Speaker 1: so thinks like that, it's like, yeah, but we're able
Speaker 1: to save more people, but it's not like people aren't
Speaker 1: trying less. Yeah yeah, yeah, Also Hannity has gotten so
Speaker 1: the quality of his through lines has really gone down.
Speaker 1: Like I mean I checked in maybe a few months
Speaker 1: ago and he was like the deep state, and I
Speaker 1: was like, still, buddy, are you like you? And now
Speaker 1: that loose through line of BLM to this moment, I mean,
Speaker 1: he used to at least have some path you could follow.
Speaker 1: Is too stupid for everybody because everybody got used to
Speaker 1: like the most intellectually nonsensical arguments. But being like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a collection of buzzwords I disagree with.
Speaker 1: So that is an explanation to me. But even even
Speaker 1: if Hannity pulled a Trump and was like gun violence
Speaker 1: is very good. It's the best. We're being great. It's good,
Speaker 1: that would be easier to follow than what he presented.
Speaker 1: It's like, what so there wasn't like this guy attacked
Speaker 1: a bunch of police officers. It just happened to be
Speaker 1: one of the casualties. Was but again that's all they need.
Speaker 1: And you know, now he's vaping during the commercial breaks,
Speaker 1: looking real chill, So is he really? Yeah? That was
Speaker 1: just like a clip of him he got by busted
Speaker 1: and vaping coming back from a commercial, just like that's
Speaker 1: amazing how the laid back like vibe of somebody who's
Speaker 1: out here, you know, objectively feigning the fucking bullshit flames
Speaker 1: while he you know, hits his vape um. Jam was
Speaker 1: pointing out that, first of all, there's no national gun registry,
Speaker 1: so the only way, which in itself is bonkers, but
Speaker 1: the only way we have to gauge gun sales is
Speaker 1: background checks, which indicate that uh, nearly twenty three million
Speaker 1: guns were purchased in which is a sixty increase over
Speaker 1: the previous year. And it was think about the three
Speaker 1: major stories that were happening last year and how they
Speaker 1: were covered. There were lockdowns, uh and you know people
Speaker 1: who were spinning the lockdowns as like government tyranny coming
Speaker 1: for you and your family. The protests and the racist
Speaker 1: way that those were covered as like, you know, fearful events.
Speaker 1: And then there was the election, which was covered as
Speaker 1: like a impending civil war like those those are all
Speaker 1: like that. I just feel like the media is so
Speaker 1: complicit in this. I'm and there's no way around it,
Speaker 1: from the you know, lazy reporting to like you know,
Speaker 1: even for me, I'm like, oh yeah, maybe that is true.
Speaker 1: But then also forgetting that these people are in charge
Speaker 1: of informing the rest of the country what is happening.
Speaker 1: So they're dictating what most people are going to passively
Speaker 1: perceive as what is happening. And to do this ship, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's complicit and it erases ship like whatever. If it's
Speaker 1: if it's about gun control or whatever, then we need
Speaker 1: to talk about it. If it's about mental health, then
Speaker 1: we need to talk about it's about racist, we need
Speaker 1: to talk about it. But it's always just like pivoting
Speaker 1: to stuff that isn't just it's not substantive because you know, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and on that that note to about journalists, because I
Speaker 1: just looked this up to make sure it was something
Speaker 1: I've read on Twitter, so you know, you're like, is
Speaker 1: that a fact or is that a twit? I read?
Speaker 1: But eleven thousand newsroom jobs were lost in the first
Speaker 1: six months of pandemic and we have the thing I
Speaker 1: read on Twitter was like, we have fifty less journalists
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and we don't also recognize that, like
Speaker 1: in a in another industry, you would be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And again in talking about how the media
Speaker 1: is has such a big role and like if we're
Speaker 1: talking about this at all, and if we're talking about
Speaker 1: the right aspect of it and there's not even um
Speaker 1: the amount of people to cover the media this year,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not fair for me to say the
Speaker 1: media like there's a newsroom where they are generating like
Speaker 1: the specific you know, storylines. It's the it's the overall ecosystem,
Speaker 1: the like what we've been talking about this entire episode
Speaker 1: about how Twitter, how Facebook, all social media just funnels
Speaker 1: you into the storyline that is going to make you
Speaker 1: most engaged, which might be a conspiracy theory. It might be, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the one story out of twenty that is
Speaker 1: most covers the protests and after George Floyd's more murder
Speaker 1: with like the most fear, like that might be the
Speaker 1: one that just ends up getting the most engagement and
Speaker 1: then just a blind algorithm feeds it to Like Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time. With when um,
Speaker 1: the pandemic first hit and coronavirus was everywhere when you
Speaker 1: turn on the news, I mean I was scared shitless.
Speaker 1: Granted I'm I'm a hypochondriac and an anxiety freak anyway,
Speaker 1: but the news was like, oh my god, it might
Speaker 1: be on your Amazon packages don't open them. You know
Speaker 1: that dude was like wash off your groceries, um, and
Speaker 1: then later everyone was like he's not a doctor whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. That was in the phase we're in. And
Speaker 1: now when I look around, especially in l A, in
Speaker 1: the areas I'm in, it seems completely open. No one
Speaker 1: is afraid. And when you turn on the news that
Speaker 1: like be afraid of, the coronavirus has gone way down.
Speaker 1: The numbers have not. The numbers aren't the facts or
Speaker 1: the day. Everything is the same except for the narrative
Speaker 1: coming through uh the news, which is which is wild
Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, because I get like, well, it's
Speaker 1: nice to be able to say numbers are going down,
Speaker 1: to just say the numbers are going down. The numbers
Speaker 1: are going down, the numbers are going down, the numbers
Speaker 1: are going down, rather than the numbers are going down.
Speaker 1: We're also in a very delicate situation where if we
Speaker 1: don't do every single thing right, we might as well
Speaker 1: not even talk about the numbers going down. You know what,
Speaker 1: In fact, America, you haven't been good enough for us
Speaker 1: to tell you the numbers are going down. I might
Speaker 1: tell you what how good you did on this report card?
Speaker 1: But the second I tell you can stop slacking, you're
Speaker 1: gonna start slacking off in class and fail the motherfucker,
Speaker 1: which is what is going, which is already happening, because
Speaker 1: we have this way of like we're using this news
Speaker 1: as like really we're holding onto it to completely just
Speaker 1: obscure our reality. And I get it's just so fucking
Speaker 1: dark and dreary. It is like the one fucking nice
Speaker 1: thing you can hear, but to really have to like
Speaker 1: there's a there's a weight and responsibility to that too
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of many people in the
Speaker 1: media just divorced from of just saying like, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if they were still reporting on people being hospitalized
Speaker 1: and people dying from the coronavirus, if those were these
Speaker 1: are the numbers today, which is what that narrative used
Speaker 1: to be. Here the numbers of deaths. Now it's the
Speaker 1: numbers of down If we still reported on the death
Speaker 1: you would be like, oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't go out side alright right here, Yeah, He're
Speaker 1: all like every day, here's somebody who had coronavirus exactly
Speaker 1: a year ago, and here's how they're doing. It's not
Speaker 1: you know, some people recover Unfortunately, some of these people
Speaker 1: aren't recovering as quickly. Something to keep in mind every
Speaker 1: day because this still is the same virus out there.
Speaker 1: One I wouldn't be me if I didn't bring up
Speaker 1: the second degree suicide aspect of the increased gun ownership
Speaker 1: suicides are like it's such a correlation between gun ownership
Speaker 1: and suicides that like they can just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: so that amount of increased gun ownership is going to
Speaker 1: lead to this many increased suicide suicides by gun. They're
Speaker 1: always more gun suicides than gun murders. Uh. Usually in
Speaker 1: any giving year at averages about twenty three thousand, they're
Speaker 1: expecting an increase of twenty of just due to the
Speaker 1: increased gun ownership, which is seven thousand additional lives or
Speaker 1: twenty uh people dying per day. Basically because that is
Speaker 1: not something gun control is not something we're willing to
Speaker 1: do anything about, and in fact is the is being
Speaker 1: portrayed as like the opposite where we want to go.
Speaker 1: You you better go out and arm yourself. Because of
Speaker 1: these main news stories that are all about fear, the
Speaker 1: gun lobby is powerful. It's like the n r A
Speaker 1: might be fucking up, but um, the gun lobby controls
Speaker 1: a lot of how seems to control a lot of
Speaker 1: how the messaging comes down to the people. And like
Speaker 1: Dan Bongino, Uh, you know, a former n r A
Speaker 1: spokesperson is now like this new right wing media darling
Speaker 1: who I think we're going to be hearing more and
Speaker 1: more from unfortunately. So all right, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and talk about something else.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and uh, let's talk about Ellen. What's
Speaker 1: going on with Ellen? She's sucking up guys. Huh hey, no,
Speaker 1: I just I think it's Look, we have enough distance
Speaker 1: now to analyze the damage that was brought on by
Speaker 1: the revelations of her being just a toxic employer and
Speaker 1: overall just like absurdly selfish, weird like boss with especially
Speaker 1: like her housekeeping staff. But toothpicks is the detail to go.
Speaker 1: She would hide toothpicks in places that they were supposed
Speaker 1: to clean to and then go back and check to
Speaker 1: make sure that they had clean there. The toothpick that
Speaker 1: isn't that article, Yeah, that's from as how up and petty?
Speaker 1: This is I think, like, yeah, I mean it's so
Speaker 1: fun up and so petty. But the detail I think
Speaker 1: that's really getting me, is that like she's a busy
Speaker 1: she's a busy woman, and she had she kept two
Speaker 1: picks and stock and at the time to find new
Speaker 1: and interesting is not. I don't know. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like it's like a myth about when you're wealthy. It's like, damn,
Speaker 1: I mean, like to make all that money, you gotta
Speaker 1: be fucking grinding NonStop. Like I could see a world
Speaker 1: where she goes to set and then comes home and
Speaker 1: then it's toothpick time all day. Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think all those reports came out aside from all
Speaker 1: the anecdotal things that I think any person who worked
Speaker 1: anywhere even remotely close to comedy or the industry was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we all know Ellen is bad boss. But yeah,
Speaker 1: now it's like it's all of being shown in the
Speaker 1: ratings and she's lost over like a million viewers since
Speaker 1: this TV apology in September. So that's truly putting her.
Speaker 1: Like the way the Times talks about it is like
Speaker 1: so dis it's like so I just love it. It's
Speaker 1: so catty, it says quote no longer in the same
Speaker 1: line same league as traditional rivals like Dr Phil two
Speaker 1: point five million and Live with with Kelly and Ryan
Speaker 1: two point seven million. Now it finds itself uncomfortably close
Speaker 1: to shows hosted by Maury Povich, Kelly Clarkson, Rachel Ray,
Speaker 1: Tamarin Hall, and Jerry Springer's former security guard. You will
Speaker 1: go that shows trash too, But yeah, they're the way.
Speaker 1: I just like to thank you New York Times for
Speaker 1: just uncomfortably as if like it's like such a weird
Speaker 1: idea of like, oh we're we're seated in steerage. Were
Speaker 1: uncomfortably close to Tamarin Hall and Maury Poverty I love,
Speaker 1: I mean, they just shipped on so many shows and
Speaker 1: then we're also like and Ellen is still better than you?
Speaker 1: Why why this is always so interesting? We we talked
Speaker 1: in the Biden presidential campaign how like a lot of
Speaker 1: the storylines that the Trump campaign was trying to get
Speaker 1: out there about him like didn't like fit with who
Speaker 1: people thought of him as, Like it wasn't like they
Speaker 1: would try and like do this vast conspiracy and vast corruption.
Speaker 1: They're like, now he's like a dumb old guy, Like
Speaker 1: what are you? What are you guys talking about? But
Speaker 1: like where whereas the Clinton stuff was more effective because
Speaker 1: it tied into suspicions people already had about her because
Speaker 1: of misogyny, and also you know the history of the
Speaker 1: Clinton family. But like this is kind of the opposite
Speaker 1: of that in that the details that are coming out
Speaker 1: are so counter to what people want to like why
Speaker 1: people tuned in, and the personality that they had ascribed
Speaker 1: to her. It's just like the direct opposite. So it
Speaker 1: makes sense to me that, like, it's just hemorrhaging viewers,
Speaker 1: the lady who cuts the big joke checks for viral stars.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, and her phrase, right was be kind Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: nick it, I mean tough. Ah, that's amazing. Actually, that's
Speaker 1: like Google. Anytime it's that straightforward, it's usually like a
Speaker 1: lot of opposite. Right when the US changed its name
Speaker 1: from the War Department to the Department of Defense, we
Speaker 1: started engaging in offensive wars when Google, Google was the
Speaker 1: company with the don't be evil as their moniker in
Speaker 1: the late nineties, and then hey, we do we use
Speaker 1: our face recognizing tech for whatever you want, I don't
Speaker 1: care whatever, Yeah, what do you want drones that are
Speaker 1: super smart? Yeah, we'll do that. Once. To throw in
Speaker 1: another historical and political reference, Burt Reynolds consumer um told
Speaker 1: people he had a really healthy head of hair, and
Speaker 1: he just had like so much hair. And in both
Speaker 1: of his autobiographies, the last page ends with him saying,
Speaker 1: when I die, they'll probably find a full head of
Speaker 1: hair on my skull. And he wore two pages and
Speaker 1: multiple women have been like, I saw it burnt off
Speaker 1: his head one time. I saw it. No, Dolly's like
Speaker 1: he's wearing wigs. Oh my poor man, he can't even
Speaker 1: hide it. I like how Yeah, she's like her whole
Speaker 1: catchphrase be kind is just a very like I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was like what she had to like,
Speaker 1: she like, you know, scratched into her like mirror to
Speaker 1: look into, like be kind, Ellen, don't do it again,
Speaker 1: don't eat someone today, be kind or she's like telling
Speaker 1: her step you know, it'd be kind of fucked up
Speaker 1: if I found some air and toothpicks a house. That's
Speaker 1: amazing about Burt Reynolds. Probably fine, Okay, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I've seen like word for word. Must have told his
Speaker 1: ghostwriter copy paste the last page from my four memoir
Speaker 1: into my two thousand and nine books. Lease, I'd really
Speaker 1: like that paragraph about my hair to close it out,
Speaker 1: and this is a normal thing to say. At the
Speaker 1: end of a way to sum up all life. They'll
Speaker 1: probably find a full head of hair on my corpse,
Speaker 1: burnt out. They'll probably find the opposite of like all
Speaker 1: those rumors that kids were talking about me after at
Speaker 1: one time in gym class when I was in the shower,
Speaker 1: they're probably the opposite or whatever you heard from that
Speaker 1: whatever that is. Alright, Well, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: UFO is real quick, because apparently someone just hit a
Speaker 1: little Russian nesting doll of legislation in the COVID Relief
Speaker 1: Act last year that basically requires the government to just
Speaker 1: provide the receipts, just bring it all out, put it
Speaker 1: all on the table. And the former Director of National
Speaker 1: Intelligence is saying that it it could be big. Which
Speaker 1: one which d N I though, Uh, it's it's your boy.
Speaker 1: Uh what's his name? Bad? Bad, terrible? I think Trump
Speaker 1: Trump got he said, yeah, boy already already. Um, but
Speaker 1: I was intrigued, as I often am anytime somebody just
Speaker 1: gives me the barest crumb of UFO kind of corroboration.
Speaker 1: But apparently there's gonna be interagency like reports of like
Speaker 1: communications between agencies. He's saying that's gonna be significant because
Speaker 1: there are like what we have right now are like
Speaker 1: a single video where somebody's like, wow, would you look
Speaker 1: at that? But there's a lot of examples where these
Speaker 1: things are corroborated, and the thing that's corroborated is doing
Speaker 1: something that isn't possible given current technology, like breaking the
Speaker 1: sound barrier without a sonic boom. So like the idea
Speaker 1: of like having multiple sightings that line up with one
Speaker 1: another from different independent sources is always the thing I
Speaker 1: look for anytime there's one of these is that those
Speaker 1: steel um, those steel plates they were finding, Is that
Speaker 1: what you're referencing? No, wait, what's the steel plates thing? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: so I listen. I grew up in the Southwest, but
Speaker 1: my family landed in New Mexico, so whenever I see
Speaker 1: uf UFO news, it barely registers. So I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, um so, so I'm gonna have to heavy
Speaker 1: be paraphrasing this. But there were um like ten ft
Speaker 1: no maybe it was long than that. They're huge steel
Speaker 1: plates found in like three different locations. Those were art.
Speaker 1: Art projects are art, right, here's the thing. What is
Speaker 1: more impressive to you the idea that a UFO would
Speaker 1: you know, put different you know, uh silver plates around
Speaker 1: the world, or that art students had global travel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to take metal on the plane, and said, honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: more impression build local, build local. We'll save air flight
Speaker 1: air fair money if you don't have to bring the
Speaker 1: obelisks with you. Yeah the thing, yeah right, your first
Speaker 1: obelisk is free of the subplist. Everybody knows that. The
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm also curious, like if this is meant
Speaker 1: to distract us from some other epic failing of the government,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure that would be like, oh, ship man,
Speaker 1: that don't fucking detail, isn't They're like, yeah, we've just
Speaker 1: passed Bill's voter suppression bills so severe that you won't
Speaker 1: believe that they came from Joe Biden. Well maybe you will.
Speaker 1: I don't know any folks uf check that out over there.
Speaker 1: This is one of those examples where I think the
Speaker 1: government and the people inside the government are dumber than
Speaker 1: we like give them credit for. And in this case,
Speaker 1: like every time we like, the more candid they become
Speaker 1: about what is going on with UFOs, the more they're like, man,
Speaker 1: I really want to know. This ship is crazy. It's
Speaker 1: like what I thought you were supposed to be, like
Speaker 1: in contact with the men in Black who are like
Speaker 1: neuralizing us like you're but they're like, yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know. What do you think? What do you think
Speaker 1: it is? I can't I can't tell. This is like
Speaker 1: the most partisan measure, you know. Someone was like, do
Speaker 1: you think we get the UFO infoe? And Republicans and
Speaker 1: Democrats were like unanimous, yes, yes, right, yeah please. I
Speaker 1: guess aliens really is gonna be like Independence days, gonna
Speaker 1: take Aliens pulling up for people to figure their ship out.
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, fuck it. I guess. So now
Speaker 1: that these being showed up, we are on the same
Speaker 1: team called humanity. That's that's one way it could go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or or we say or we say America, buckle the
Speaker 1: funk up because we all got guns over here, and
Speaker 1: we're like, do your worst Aliens and in a fucking
Speaker 1: fan of snap. Well, Chelsea, there has been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you back on t d Z. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you here? You all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thank you for um Following
Speaker 1: the Bachelor cultural clock that I am historically writing down
Speaker 1: every day and my tumbler. Uh no, you can follow
Speaker 1: me at Chelsea Dvantees on Instagram. That is where I
Speaker 1: recap celebrity memoirs and all that stuff. And you could
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter, but y'all, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: hanging out there right now to follow me on Instagram
Speaker 1: hot plug. Is there a work of social media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Yeah, you know, I really have been
Speaker 1: enjoying Asher Perlman's cartoons. Um, they're just super funny and
Speaker 1: I I I reposted one the other day. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: a little cartoon he drew that has someone saying, do
Speaker 1: you do any of those jokes that are actually just
Speaker 1: angry earnest beliefs? And it's a king asking it of
Speaker 1: a jester. That's great. Miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, you can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also
Speaker 1: the other podcast for twenty day Fiance Sophia Alexander mother
Speaker 1: fucking vibes over there. Um. A tweet that I like
Speaker 1: is from Derrick Lemos, you know, past guest friend of
Speaker 1: our Zeit Gang show. At Derrik Lemos. He has two
Speaker 1: pictures of Billy Zane. Um, you know, because Billy got
Speaker 1: the big head now, and he says Billy Zane should
Speaker 1: be Lex Luthor. I will not be taking questions at
Speaker 1: this time, and it I'm looking at Billy Zane and
Speaker 1: he absolutely should be Lex Luthor. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think of this, but he's he
Speaker 1: we found him. Wow, the strong uh the strong brow
Speaker 1: with a bicked head is it's like and his because
Speaker 1: his his brows are always like I'm an asshole, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like Billy Zanes go vibe. You know,
Speaker 1: it's never like, oh he's cool. Yeah, Oh damn, I
Speaker 1: just saw an updated picture. I is picturing Billy's in
Speaker 1: from The Titanic, and it turns out that movie is
Speaker 1: like twenty over twenty years old. Uh, he has like
Speaker 1: aged into a very like he would play a ass
Speaker 1: whole billionaire really well like right now, oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like who Jeff Bezos wants to play him? Yes, he's
Speaker 1: like or not or he's like, I want Billy's aim
Speaker 1: to be me, not who you're actually what not actually
Speaker 1: when he's like unfortunately, Telly Savalis is dead, so it
Speaker 1: can't be him from my old people out there, tell
Speaker 1: I think people know that at least the Telly Savalis
Speaker 1: is a bald, bald guy. How pists are we going
Speaker 1: to be when they released this report on June one
Speaker 1: and all, the UFO ship that breaks the laws of
Speaker 1: physics is like created by Bezos. It's just Bezos ripping
Speaker 1: around on his billion dollar jet. If it is, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm writing a script about how like people are like
Speaker 1: have to go after him because he's he's actually thanos A. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's meddling around the technologies we are not even capable of. No,
Speaker 1: this is there's a higher calling. Now. It's gonna take
Speaker 1: a lot for me to be part of a pitchfork
Speaker 1: wielding mob, But I think that would that would do
Speaker 1: it for me. I would hold the Bezos is just
Speaker 1: breaking the laws of physics and keeping it a secret.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it'll send me to art
Speaker 1: school so I can do more uf projects. Uh. A
Speaker 1: couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Uh. Paul Thompkins tweeted
Speaker 1: when a certain type of American person started using cheers
Speaker 1: in the British fashion that was a dark day and
Speaker 1: then got Garrett tweeted Guy Fiery eating plus. First of all,
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