Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season to fifty five,
Speaker 1: episode four of Dirt Da l'sy guys, stay production of
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Speaker 1: Thursday September twenty two. My name is Jack O'Brien AK
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Speaker 1: kids school money. Well, the LEA's shack is a little
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Speaker 1: get fucked Jack Abe. That is to see. UH lex movie,
Speaker 1: Mr Lububi, is based on my recent I'm coming to
Speaker 1: the end of my current car are and new leases
Speaker 1: hard to come by, very expensive, and they did in
Speaker 1: fact sing this song when I when I entered the
Speaker 1: Volvo leasing. I didn't realize volvos are like crazy, wild,
Speaker 1: expensive cars. So, anyways, I will not be driving a Ballbo.
Speaker 1: I can tell everybody that much. I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined by a very special guest, Co host, the producer
Speaker 1: behind shows like fake doctor's real friends and welcome to
Speaker 1: our show. You've heard her on pop culture, Happy Hour,
Speaker 1: a comic Com metapod. It's the brilliant, the talented Joel Mon. Hello, hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I have excited news for the listener.
Speaker 1: Bass you guys actually help send me to the Toronto
Speaker 1: International Films I saw a bunch of movies and I'm
Speaker 1: going to report on them here very soon. Reporting back.
Speaker 1: We're going to get the woman king you. You're getting
Speaker 1: a very spicy, my police man interview where I don't
Speaker 1: usually dunk on a movie so hard unless it absolutely
Speaker 1: deserves it. So I cracked my knuckles on this one.
Speaker 1: I said, here we go, it's time to a viscerate
Speaker 1: a film. That fellow being Harry styles massive. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: what I love about movies movies feel like movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you know you go watch a movie, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you just like this for you not like a movie.
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm reading a book. But now this
Speaker 1: movie felt like a movie when you watch it. Wow,
Speaker 1: this moving film. We usually we don't bring in audio,
Speaker 1: but that that is this early. But that that is
Speaker 1: audio of a recent Harry styles quote. He sounds smart. Hey,
Speaker 1: who's that? In our third seed, a very funny comedian,
Speaker 1: the host of the podcast the prodcast, pod yourself a gun,
Speaker 1: and now pod yourself the wire. It's Matt, I'm here, baby,
Speaker 1: I'm here and uh, you know, good to be back
Speaker 1: and you know, I was here just the other day
Speaker 1: and you guys, we're just like man, Matt, you've got
Speaker 1: to come back immediately because you just crushed it in
Speaker 1: the the guest leave. Yeah, you know, more leave, more leave,
Speaker 1: the better. So the time that I can get a
Speaker 1: little more lead time on that yet. And thanks for
Speaker 1: plugging the you know, the pod pod yourself the wire,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, you were on pod yourself a gun,
Speaker 1: our Sopranos Rewatch Podcast, and Uh, we did all the
Speaker 1: episodes and now we're at the wire. So, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need both of you guys to come on and
Speaker 1: talk about the wire at some point. It is my
Speaker 1: favorite shows. It's a great show. It's a great show.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you're listening to this right
Speaker 1: now and you're like, oh, I haven't seeing those shows,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You can still listen to the podcast.
Speaker 1: And if you're like, I don't want to listen to
Speaker 1: the podcast, that's fine. The most important thing is just
Speaker 1: giving us five stars in a review on the apple
Speaker 1: podcast store. That's all I care. Press play on the
Speaker 1: episode and then muted and then walk away, because it's
Speaker 1: literally it's an act of charity to do those things.
Speaker 1: Please help. I have a baby. Yeah, there. There aren't
Speaker 1: that many movie TV podcasts that I will give the
Speaker 1: go ahead and listen to this even if you're not
Speaker 1: watching the show, but yours is one of them, because
Speaker 1: it is a comedy show and it's fun. It's fun
Speaker 1: to listen to, although you should watch the fucking wire
Speaker 1: in the S, absolutely watch it's get into it to
Speaker 1: not watch those shows just because it's like, well, I mean, what, what?
Speaker 1: What else are you watching? What's in the way of those?
Speaker 1: Nothing you're watching is as good as either the Sopranos
Speaker 1: or the wire, and now thing you're listening to is
Speaker 1: as good as those two rewatch podcasts. Bought Yourself of
Speaker 1: God and bought yourself the wire. So please help. With
Speaker 1: the obvious exception of the daily guys, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. Right, yeah, yeah, don't we? We?
Speaker 1: I don't want to start a beef here, Matt, but no,
Speaker 1: there's no beef, but it's like, you know, you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys don't rewatch enough TV on this one right,
Speaker 1: and that, I think, has been the main problem. I've
Speaker 1: seen in various dailies guys comments sections like how come
Speaker 1: they're not talking about my favorite story? Just exact, completely
Speaker 1: misunderstanding it as a wire rewatch podcast. I don't remember
Speaker 1: any of these episodes about the wire where the Queen
Speaker 1: was dead. That is truly what you get when you like,
Speaker 1: launch a podcast. The first few weeks of episodes are
Speaker 1: of reviews. Are just like, you know, reviewing a different
Speaker 1: podcast than you are titled. Made them think your show
Speaker 1: was going to be. Yeah, Matt, I want to okay episodes.
Speaker 1: I did the one where the wire tapping goes completely
Speaker 1: hay wire and blows up in everybody's face. or Oh,
Speaker 1: Myer's first on screen gay kiss out there. Oh Yeah,
Speaker 1: moment for me. We just we just did the first
Speaker 1: Omar Gay kiss episode. So unfortunately you can't do that one.
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of the wire goes hey wire episodes.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about the wires. Mostly show about, you know,
Speaker 1: wires crossed. Yeah, and they do. If you haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: They do constantly say things like this has gone hey
Speaker 1: wire and looks like we've got our wires crossed. Too
Speaker 1: much coffee for me, I'm wired. It's mostly Yeaheah. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a weird to have such a serious and
Speaker 1: important show be filled with random self referential etuar wire buttons.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, you know what? My favorite magazine is wired. anyways,
Speaker 1: let's solve this murder. Yeah, Joel, I'm so excited for
Speaker 1: the segments where you could be coming on telling us
Speaker 1: about all the movies you've pre screened for us and yeah,
Speaker 1: that that will all be happening soon. And Matt, we're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of things we're talking about. There is this article
Speaker 1: in the New Yorker, which I read, no big deal,
Speaker 1: that about Johnson and Johnson's history of Malcolm powder, baby powder,
Speaker 1: and they're knowing, knowing that it caused cancer and kind
Speaker 1: of continuing to sell it even though there was a
Speaker 1: cheaper alternative. But it really is a just a like
Speaker 1: the most American story that you can come up with.
Speaker 1: Down to there, there was like a twist in it
Speaker 1: that really, really blew my mind. So I just want
Speaker 1: to kind of take you guys through that story. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that and then we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the the idea of the ten hour movie TV show,
Speaker 1: because they the new star wars series and or starting
Speaker 1: Diego Luna is being pitched as a very long movie
Speaker 1: and that's also how Tim Burton's Wednesday is being pitched.
Speaker 1: Over can be the new Lord of the show? All
Speaker 1: being pitched that way. So I wanna just kind of
Speaker 1: talk about that idea that they, I think, believe Lens
Speaker 1: them some sort of credence or or some sort of,
Speaker 1: I don't know, high culture status, but it's it's not
Speaker 1: how things work. So all of that plenty more. But first, Matt,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests. What is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? Well, the most recent thing in
Speaker 1: my search history is I googled my wedding ring. Is Stuck.
Speaker 1: M Hm. So yeah, so here's so I got a
Speaker 1: wedding ring. I got married to previous guests, Francesco Fiorentini,
Speaker 1: and beautiful couple, just a wonderful Zeitgeist, Zeit couple. and Um,
Speaker 1: I got the ring and at first it was like
Speaker 1: too small, so we sent it back and we got
Speaker 1: it resized and then it came back and I was
Speaker 1: like okay, now it kind of comfortably fits over the
Speaker 1: knuckle and it's kind of Nice, you know, nice and
Speaker 1: like a little bit loose over the you know, the
Speaker 1: actual you know, under the knuckle area. And then in
Speaker 1: the last few days my my finger swelling. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, and so I tried to take it off
Speaker 1: and now it's stuck. I can't, can't get it out
Speaker 1: and UH, and I've been reading online. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of don't worry about it, it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the weather, and I'm like, I'm a little bit worried
Speaker 1: about it. I have a thing that what if? What
Speaker 1: if my finger dies? You know, what if I lose
Speaker 1: keeps growing exactly, and then I started thinking like yeah,
Speaker 1: what if I gain weight, you know, and and then
Speaker 1: my fingers start swelling even more and this is stuck
Speaker 1: on me forever and I feel nervous about it. So
Speaker 1: I've been putting soap on it and I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't fucking get it off. And not that I want
Speaker 1: to get it off, because obviously love. You're just saying
Speaker 1: that you tend to only wear it. You don't wear
Speaker 1: it when you record podcasts. Well, I don't worry when
Speaker 1: I record podcasts to go to the grocery store on stage,
Speaker 1: you know. But other than that, on stage, you know.
Speaker 1: For I don't want it in my tinner profile. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I can't. I it's it concerns me,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like Web mding symptoms and it's like,
Speaker 1: unless your finger starts tingling, then don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, as soon as you say that,
Speaker 1: now my fingers tangling because I'm thinking about my finger tangling.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So you need a buzz
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. Listen, my
Speaker 1: this family, in such a short amount of time has
Speaker 1: had so much ring drama and I just feel like
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't tell Francesca that is stuck, because
Speaker 1: then it'll be like another ring thing. Joel, there was
Speaker 1: a I've told the story before, but I got Francesco
Speaker 1: really bad engagement ring on accident, and so that was
Speaker 1: a whole fiasco and now this is it's another ring
Speaker 1: fiasco and it's stuck, but it's fine. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'll just I don't I don't need that finger anyway. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is something that they don't tell you that like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I remember early days of getting
Speaker 1: married and being shocked at how fat my fingers were
Speaker 1: on some days and just that it's like completely variable.
Speaker 1: I found over fourteen years of marriage that it tends
Speaker 1: to go with like my diet and how much salt
Speaker 1: I've eaten on the previous like I think if I've
Speaker 1: had ramen, I can I can just that that I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be able to get my wedding ring
Speaker 1: on and off the next day. I mean maybe that's
Speaker 1: kind of good, though I should cut down my salt intake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's like nature's way. The marriage is better for
Speaker 1: your health, and so now I'm seeing where these benefits exactly.
Speaker 1: Just have a little sizer on you. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's like an Apple Watch, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the one that tells you to like breathe more or whatever,
Speaker 1: which I can't fucking stand that thing. Yeah, one time
Speaker 1: it looks like you're working out and I was literally
Speaker 1: frantically searching the Glendell Galleria for the Mongolian barbecue place
Speaker 1: and nude told me I was sucking. It looks like
Speaker 1: you're working out. I was like why did you shut up?
Speaker 1: fucking excuse me, like great, didn't. I watched that. I
Speaker 1: worked out today, so nobody comes from me exactly. It
Speaker 1: looks like you're working out. It's what are you peeling
Speaker 1: an orange? It seems like you're out of breath. Are
Speaker 1: you okay? Yeah, what is something you think is overrated? Oh, dude, pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Pregnancy is overrated. Dude. Right now me and Francesca are
Speaker 1: four weeks, three weeks now, away from having our first child,
Speaker 1: and I think that you know from all the books
Speaker 1: I've read, from all the like, you know classes we've taken.
Speaker 1: They're just like man, you know pregnancy is hard, and
Speaker 1: I'm like no, I'm chilling. I mean, it's been fairly
Speaker 1: easy for me and I don't even know why. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just built different. You know, how's how's Francesca doing?
Speaker 1: What's how she? Oh, I don't know, even checked in.
Speaker 1: It's probably good. She's actually peeling an orange for me
Speaker 1: right now, because I find it a little practically searching
Speaker 1: the Glendale Galeria from Mongolian barbecue right now. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'll tell I'll text, though. Oh my God, no, pregnancy.
Speaker 1: I think raising children is overrated to you know, people
Speaker 1: keep saying, Oh man, they you know, they change their
Speaker 1: life and stuff, and I'm like, I mean what for
Speaker 1: like six weeks and then and then they learned to sleep,
Speaker 1: and then they get a job and then they, you know,
Speaker 1: start podcasting. Right. Yeah, that's you know, Jack, you sound ready, man.
Speaker 1: You sound ready with children. Yes, you can attest to
Speaker 1: the fact that it's super easy. It's a six week commitment,
Speaker 1: seven maybe, sometimes may, if if things don't go according
Speaker 1: to plan, but after that you just kind of go
Speaker 1: back to yr old routine and they're on autopilot, you know,
Speaker 1: when the kids drive themselves to preschool. Yeah, it's great
Speaker 1: a day for every parent. I love that when they
Speaker 1: drive themselves straight to their pediatrician and they're just like
Speaker 1: give me my allergy shot please. You know, it is
Speaker 1: so just all consuming and different that I truly think
Speaker 1: like the whole thing with eighteen to thirty four being
Speaker 1: the demographic where they that they target. Like the average
Speaker 1: age that people have children is thirty five. I think.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I think they're just like after that, you've
Speaker 1: you're just like no longer. Yeah, you're not buying any anymore. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you're done, we're done trying to reach you. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like no, ads don't work on you anymore because you're
Speaker 1: too burnt out. Yeah, but anyways, yeah, it sounds it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're ready, and many things are. It's just
Speaker 1: been easy breezy. You know. I actually, in all seriousness,
Speaker 1: Francesca is probably the most badass pregnant person I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Like the fact that she has is still doing stand
Speaker 1: up and stuff like people, you know, Ali Wong, that
Speaker 1: are special where she you know, like two specials where
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, and we have friends like Jennif Freedman,
Speaker 1: has just did one, and I remember thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, like uh, you know, Damn, that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy. But now I'm like not as pregnant
Speaker 1: as Francesca. Francesca way more pregnant than all them. And
Speaker 1: she is still she's still doing great. You know, she's
Speaker 1: still she's still doing their shows. She's out there crushing
Speaker 1: it Um. And Yeah, it's because we need the money,
Speaker 1: but you know that's not if you look at it
Speaker 1: without the capitalist critique, it's really inspirational and again, it
Speaker 1: makes it easy on you, which because she's just out
Speaker 1: there making money. I'm like, Dude, I just I just
Speaker 1: stay unemployed. I got this new video game about a cat.
Speaker 1: That's fun. It's great, dude. It's a straight cat just
Speaker 1: going around. It's called stray. It's cute. I make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's adorable. What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: I would say the wire. The wire is underrated. A
Speaker 1: lot of people say it's the best show ever made and, Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not fair because it's the best
Speaker 1: art ever done. Really good and it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm not rewatching it. I need
Speaker 1: to Rewatch it because I watched it. I was like that.
Speaker 1: I had the same I was like, that's better than
Speaker 1: a novel I've read. Right, yes, that's so good. It's
Speaker 1: it's better than you remember it, which is like, I think,
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing about it, because when you start
Speaker 1: the first like time you watch it, it really does
Speaker 1: feel like the stuff that's interesting about it is like
Speaker 1: all the drug dealing that's happening the kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: the way that the relationships between like different dealers and
Speaker 1: different gangs kind of like blossoms and explodes and all that,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's all the like cool, cool stuff
Speaker 1: that you're watching at the first, for the first time. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: all of like the you know, I would say more
Speaker 1: than of the show, is just a bunch of white
Speaker 1: guys in a room like talking about something and they
Speaker 1: all sound like Charlie Brown's teacher and you're just like
Speaker 1: what the funk they're talking about? And then when you
Speaker 1: watch it, when you rewatch it, all of that like boring.
Speaker 1: Like bureaucracy is like oh that's the best. Give me more,
Speaker 1: give me more effectless bureaucrats who just desperately don't want
Speaker 1: to do their jobs. It's like it's weird how much
Speaker 1: more you gain every time you watch that show. The
Speaker 1: first time I watched that show is like nineteen maybe,
Speaker 1: and I was definitely all about the most for me
Speaker 1: is like about the raised relations. A yeah, the police
Speaker 1: look at them terrible people, but then if you watch
Speaker 1: it later to the way it ages, first of all
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, the show has had like incredible foresight
Speaker 1: into how you're going to be living under, you know,
Speaker 1: the government's watchful eye. Like way early it was predicting
Speaker 1: things super early. And also, you know, I rewatched a
Speaker 1: lot of shows and the cringe factor on the wire
Speaker 1: is very low as compared to something like, say, the Sopranos.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh no, we don't, you don't want to
Speaker 1: go into this territory. It's weird. Yeah, the wire holds up.
Speaker 1: It becomes more relevant every year because all of the
Speaker 1: like systemic problems that they're talking about none of them
Speaker 1: have been addressed society and and they've all just gotten
Speaker 1: progressively worse. So there are things that you think in
Speaker 1: that show that are like Oh, that, that seems a
Speaker 1: little over board, you know, especially like the way I
Speaker 1: mean the last season. I'm not going to ruin it
Speaker 1: for people who haven't seen it, but like the way
Speaker 1: that the police act. Maybe in two thousand two you
Speaker 1: would be like, Oh wow, this is uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this is showing them in kind of a bad light,
Speaker 1: and now you're just like, oh no, this is literally
Speaker 1: way more tame than they actually are. Yes, they came back.
Speaker 1: I mean it should be noted the makers of the
Speaker 1: wire came back and sort of updated with with a
Speaker 1: limited series called we own this city. That is all
Speaker 1: about the police quitting in response to the Freddy Gray
Speaker 1: protests and being like we're not leaving our squad cars
Speaker 1: because fuck you criticizing us right and and it showed
Speaker 1: how this like gun task force, the gun trace task force,
Speaker 1: in the city. We're literally just doing Omar's job in
Speaker 1: the wire, which is just like just ripping and running,
Speaker 1: just robbing drug dealers, stealing their guns, planting evidence, killing people,
Speaker 1: all with impunity and uh, it's it's amazing because you're
Speaker 1: like the wire is this fictionalized account and is like wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty dark. We own the city is real
Speaker 1: and based on the actual reporting that happened and it's
Speaker 1: so much worse than the wire. The big difference is
Speaker 1: that the police are much, much worse than you know.
Speaker 1: For the wire, they had to like find the humanity
Speaker 1: and the police and give them fun stories and right
Speaker 1: and sometimes it can like veer into what you might
Speaker 1: perceive as like Oh, is this Coppaganda? But then when
Speaker 1: you realize that, like the problem, the thing with systemic
Speaker 1: problems is that it takes it takes people who might
Speaker 1: have like the best of intentions, like there are cops
Speaker 1: on that show with the best of intentions, and shows
Speaker 1: that no matter the intention, you're going to be actively
Speaker 1: participating in an evil institution. So it's like it's not
Speaker 1: Copaganda if you kind of take the broad view and go, well,
Speaker 1: look at these guys, look at what they actually end
Speaker 1: up accomplishing. fucking nothing. I don't think there's anybody who
Speaker 1: watches this show and it's like you know what, yeah,
Speaker 1: not a good person anyway. You got you really have
Speaker 1: to decide by that person and be like oh no.
Speaker 1: The first time I actually watched the show is back
Speaker 1: when I was like an addict and in active addiction,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking to myself like man, maybe I
Speaker 1: should like, maybe I should like apply, because I saw
Speaker 1: these like posters in Oakland when I was living out there.
Speaker 1: I should apply to be like an Oakland P D officer,
Speaker 1: because then I could steal drugs for a living. Yeah,
Speaker 1: literal thought I had me, as a drug addict, going
Speaker 1: like cop the drive under the influence within yeah, they're
Speaker 1: always just like drinking beers. Drive there, always drinking. A
Speaker 1: drive will definitely get you off. You know, be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, judge. He's a good guy. We got. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like takes the premise of like, you know,
Speaker 1: the thin blue line or or whatnot. You know, cops
Speaker 1: like having each other's back, and it kind of flips
Speaker 1: it on its head a little because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: cops will have your back unless you do fucking anything
Speaker 1: to funk with your bosses. Your bosses will destroy you
Speaker 1: if you try to do like in the military. Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know, on the Copaganda Front, I do think
Speaker 1: that is maybe the thing that they had the hardest
Speaker 1: time with and making the wire. And I I personally
Speaker 1: think the best seasons are four, which I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people say that four is the best season,
Speaker 1: but that that's the one that's about. It's about the
Speaker 1: school system. And Yeah, school system to fucking prison pipeline.
Speaker 1: Is like the COP, who is the protagonist for the
Speaker 1: first three seasons, or like one of the main protagonists,
Speaker 1: just like is in that for one fifteen minutes scene, right, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then season two, which is specifically about the docks,
Speaker 1: is also one of my favorite episodes. Their favorite seasons,
Speaker 1: and that one's that one. You know, upon First Watch,
Speaker 1: I know so many people stuck on season two of
Speaker 1: the wire because they watch it and they're like, Oh what,
Speaker 1: now we're in these we're dealing with these like white
Speaker 1: Polish dock workers, like what is this? What happened? So,
Speaker 1: like the Barksdale Organization and, you know, the selling drugs
Speaker 1: and the PJS, like that's what I'm here for. And
Speaker 1: when you watch that season again, you realize that it's,
Speaker 1: like I said, all that stuff you thought was boring
Speaker 1: becomes the most fascinating because you're just seeing, you know,
Speaker 1: the way that the you know, the destruction of unions,
Speaker 1: the destruction of of you know, the d industrialization of
Speaker 1: the of working class and working class neighborhoods in Baltimore
Speaker 1: or anywhere, leads to people finding other me means to
Speaker 1: uh feed their families and how the city doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything to uh not encourage it, because why would they?
Speaker 1: Good stuff. It's great, like it really everyone. Just talking
Speaker 1: about this made me extra passionate that everybody needs to
Speaker 1: go on. Yeah, it's like a great work of sociology
Speaker 1: and also a great work of like drama, and there's
Speaker 1: catch phrases. It's it's it's show with, you know, mcnaughties catchphrase,
Speaker 1: what the Fund did I do? And then you know,
Speaker 1: there's a senator state, Senator Clay Davis, goes. She so
Speaker 1: like if you're someone who loves catch phrases, watch the wire. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: one of the Great. All right, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about Johnson Johnson. And we're back.
Speaker 1: And so I want to look at the story called damages,
Speaker 1: I think is what it's called, in in the latest
Speaker 1: issue of the New Yorker, or one of the more
Speaker 1: recent ones. It's about all these people who were getting
Speaker 1: ovarian cancer and didn't have any of the pre pre
Speaker 1: existing like symptoms that would lead people to have that.
Speaker 1: They didn't have the hereditary, you know, danger signs, but
Speaker 1: they did all use talcum powder and slowly by slowly,
Speaker 1: they've kind of done an investigation into this and turns
Speaker 1: out Johnson and Johnson in the industry at large, has
Speaker 1: kind of known that this was happening for a long time,
Speaker 1: since the sixties and Seventies. It's it wouldn't be quite
Speaker 1: right to say they ignored the risk for years, because
Speaker 1: they actually, you know, paid lobbyists, one who was making
Speaker 1: four point five million dollars a year. who were going
Speaker 1: to come back to that guy to help fight attempts
Speaker 1: by the FDAT to limit the amount of asbestos in
Speaker 1: their baby powder. So Smit in baby powder limited. Don't
Speaker 1: take it all out, but just, you know, have like
Speaker 1: a just a little bit of asbestos as a tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it really is that. This pieces kind of eye
Speaker 1: opening about how the U S citizens are uniquely unprotected
Speaker 1: when it comes to being abused and killed by corporations
Speaker 1: for profit. In this case, the F D A and
Speaker 1: government organizations are just so vastly underfunded compared to these
Speaker 1: massive industry lobbying firms. So, just to quote from the article,
Speaker 1: the responsibility for regulating the eight five billion dollar cosmetics
Speaker 1: industry falls to the F D A's division of cosmetics,
Speaker 1: which has thirty employees and an annual budget of less
Speaker 1: than ten million dollars. Oh my God, Oh Lloyd. And
Speaker 1: then when you compare how how much is that, lobbyists
Speaker 1: got paid? Yeah, you got paid half that, half of
Speaker 1: the FDA's entire budget, and that was one lobbyists. They
Speaker 1: have the entire cities of lobbyists working on making whatever
Speaker 1: they do as profitable as possible without any regard for
Speaker 1: the customers of the you know what happens the ethics
Speaker 1: of the situation. It's all just sweeping ship under the rug.
Speaker 1: When when you look at the results of of what
Speaker 1: that budget mismatch results in. So in other countries, more
Speaker 1: than eighty countries, from the United Kingdom to Cambodia to Mimr,
Speaker 1: have enacted stronger cosmetics regulations than the United States. And
Speaker 1: whereas some countries regulators have banned more than twenty four
Speaker 1: hundred cosmetics ingredients, from parabins to from how to hide,
Speaker 1: the FDA has banned or restricted fewer than a dozen. Wow, wow,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like you get to a point
Speaker 1: with the FDA where you're just like, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if you can just defy having a building that you know,
Speaker 1: that you go to work in every day, that you
Speaker 1: know like cut a little bit of the the excess
Speaker 1: fat on on rent and just put that towards having
Speaker 1: more people to do regulations or properly fund them in
Speaker 1: the first place, like oh well, that's never it's super maddening,
Speaker 1: I think, especially when it's kind of so clear just
Speaker 1: as like an average consumer, people are like eager to
Speaker 1: purchase you know, Japanese sweets or sweets from the UK,
Speaker 1: because they actually make sure that you're not eating just
Speaker 1: process junk all the time, thought and consideration, very little
Speaker 1: formalde hide and British chocolate for some reason. It's really strange.
Speaker 1: It also wouldn't check all the but so I'm making
Speaker 1: the argument this is the most American story I've ever read.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it wouldn't check all the American boxes if it
Speaker 1: didn't involve human caging and J and J too, baby
Speaker 1: powder and baby shampoo on prisoners in Philadelphia, both by
Speaker 1: giving them little cuts and putting the products in there
Speaker 1: were dripping baby shampoo directly into their eyes. Oh Great God,
Speaker 1: what love to hear that. They tested it like that.
Speaker 1: That's how they tested it, and paid them like small,
Speaker 1: small amounts of money, like criminally. But it's been good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been proven that Johnson and Johnson new TALC probably
Speaker 1: caused cancer. The article repeats these stories where a tumor
Speaker 1: is found, they biopsy it, they find that the tumor
Speaker 1: has talc in it. has talked in the tumor and Johnson,
Speaker 1: Johnson and the industry is repeatedly like, yeah, your sample
Speaker 1: was corrupted. Sorry, we. Yeah, just like that happens repeatedly.
Speaker 1: They find TALC in the tumor. They say you're sample
Speaker 1: is corrupted. Yeah then, no, that's on you. That's on you.
Speaker 1: That's there's no way that it could be our delicious
Speaker 1: Talco powder filled with asbestos. Yes, their internal documents where
Speaker 1: somebody WHO's pretty high up is like, Hey, this actually
Speaker 1: doesn't really make financial sense at this point because we
Speaker 1: are going to get sued. It does look like this
Speaker 1: causes cancer. Let's switch to corn starch, which is cheaper
Speaker 1: and basically as effective. And then nobody like replies to
Speaker 1: that and instead, like the next thread is all about
Speaker 1: like them doubling down on marketing it too black people,
Speaker 1: overweight people and women. Yeah, here's some fun stuff. NBR
Speaker 1: reported on so, according to so, they were being sued
Speaker 1: by like the deligration of Negro women. That showed like
Speaker 1: six black women used baby powder in two thousand six
Speaker 1: as opposed to of the overall population, which is nuts.
Speaker 1: They wanted to market to southern US people, for the
Speaker 1: curvy southern woman, and considered signing Patty labelle or Aretha
Speaker 1: Franklin as spokespeople, which is just so frustrating. I mean
Speaker 1: and they went after people they systematically usually cannot file lawsuits.
Speaker 1: They went exactly after a population that was, you know, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they'll die and it'll be fine because no one will
Speaker 1: blame us, or their lives aren't valued in the United States.
Speaker 1: They specifically, when you talk about the like how popular
Speaker 1: it is in black communities, they specifically went to market
Speaker 1: it at churches, like giving doing giveaways at churches to
Speaker 1: reach that demographic but, and they're probably so. There have
Speaker 1: been these billion dollar lawsuits that some of them, Johnson
Speaker 1: and Johnson is lost. Like they don't lose all of
Speaker 1: them because they have, of course, just massive, massive legal
Speaker 1: teams that are able to, you know, just shoot holes
Speaker 1: in all these things and claim the samples are corrupted
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, just call into question the idea
Speaker 1: of DNA evidence, you know, that sort of ship or
Speaker 1: reality or reality. What? What do we know about anything really? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: What the bleep do we know? You know, quantum physics,
Speaker 1: that ship. So the the other thing there they did
Speaker 1: this thing where they created a new company that they
Speaker 1: then like made responsible for all of the lawsuits and
Speaker 1: legal liability and then that company declared bankruptcy Bonson and
Speaker 1: is responsible for. Basically, they like put on a mask
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it makes the idea of Lee. It's
Speaker 1: called the Texas, two steps and legal circles, and it
Speaker 1: basically makes the idea of legal liability useless. It was
Speaker 1: started by the Koch brothers in their comody. So you know,
Speaker 1: you know it's good, but don't you think they have
Speaker 1: just like a little evil boardroom where they get together
Speaker 1: and they're just like, you got any more scams that
Speaker 1: will harm the world? And they're like yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a few more. Straight up, that is what that is,
Speaker 1: what most like, that is what most jobs are and
Speaker 1: United States it's not just that there's an evil boardroom,
Speaker 1: it is that that that is where people make their money.
Speaker 1: That is the money behind wealthy people, and when you
Speaker 1: don't know where the wealthy people's money is coming from,
Speaker 1: there's usually a good reason for that. But so what
Speaker 1: they do is they created that new company to like,
Speaker 1: you know, hold all the legal liability and then that
Speaker 1: company essentially that company, that company, then declares bankruptcy. And
Speaker 1: so you know, Johnson and Johnson is in the with
Speaker 1: respect to these lawsuits, is technically bankrupt. If this goes through,
Speaker 1: Um meanwhile, their most recent quarterly report shows twenty four
Speaker 1: billion in sales, but they can, you know, continue to
Speaker 1: kill people with impunity. Once that, once this case goes
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court, which has repeatedly, over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, found for, you know, corporations having more
Speaker 1: rights than human beings and, in this case, finding for
Speaker 1: corporations to be able to sell a product called baby
Speaker 1: powder that causes cancer. Fuck me, yeah, but I do.
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to that original lobbyist
Speaker 1: who came on in the seventies. When they were first seeing,
Speaker 1: seeing this possibility that this was a bad thing for
Speaker 1: them and that they might be in trouble, they hired
Speaker 1: this Um lobbying firm. It was like a conglomerate of
Speaker 1: like lobbyists that this person came together and like became
Speaker 1: the head of, and he, you know, came up with
Speaker 1: all these ingenious legal strategies to make it so corporations
Speaker 1: could poison women's reproductive organ organs and other other ship
Speaker 1: that that person's name, who's making four and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars a year to do, you know, literally the
Speaker 1: Devil's work was e Edward Kavanaugh, and when he would
Speaker 1: come home from his job of, you know, helping these
Speaker 1: companies poison people with impunity, his son would be lifting
Speaker 1: weights in the garage. No, Tobin, because his son was
Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh. God fucking it's a thing wrap. Yeah, Oh, man,
Speaker 1: this family has to we need okay, he has to
Speaker 1: come and answer some questions. Kavin, Nah, I say NA,
Speaker 1: like can we just Oh, oh, I'm not gonna say anything.
Speaker 1: That would give me in trouble. But this just like
Speaker 1: a line of evil. Like, how many generations of evil
Speaker 1: are we talking here? Did you this is now? What
Speaker 1: do his dad do? A great question. was part of
Speaker 1: that whole group of people who try to take over
Speaker 1: behind states in World War Two? They tried to hire
Speaker 1: Snidgley whiplash too. What was that Guy's name? It wasn't
Speaker 1: snidgy whiplash, but yeah, it was something close to that. Dude.
Speaker 1: They tried to hire a general to overthrow FDR because
Speaker 1: they thought he was too hard on businesses. But we
Speaker 1: we actually don't know if they're related to that person
Speaker 1: or not, but it is. You know that he gets
Speaker 1: paid absurd amounts of money, makes all these connections and
Speaker 1: I do think like not only is it just nepotism
Speaker 1: of him being extremely wealthy getting to send his son
Speaker 1: to the best private schools, but also he is doing
Speaker 1: dirt behind the scenes for very powerful people. He knows
Speaker 1: where the bodies are buried and therefore that like I
Speaker 1: think it's underrated how much that goes into it. Is
Speaker 1: By being like a team player who knows where the
Speaker 1: bodies is buried. Maybe helped you bury some of those
Speaker 1: bodies or was the architect of like your your plot
Speaker 1: to just bury bodies all over all of America. You
Speaker 1: know that that adds extra stuff like that adds extra
Speaker 1: credit to your name. Like there there's a theory out there.
Speaker 1: You know George H W Bush was hadn't really like
Speaker 1: done much with the CIA before he became the head
Speaker 1: of the CIA, but what he like the only mention
Speaker 1: of his name in association with the CIA was on
Speaker 1: the day JFK was killed, like they were like we
Speaker 1: have a man in Dallas, George Bush, who like was
Speaker 1: somehow involved, and so like that that always kind of
Speaker 1: added some extra texture to just his whole story. And
Speaker 1: like like the people who do help you get away
Speaker 1: with the worst stuff then get to be the most
Speaker 1: powerful people where their kids to be the most powerful people.
Speaker 1: And now this person who helped Johnson and Johnson literally
Speaker 1: like poison the ovaries of women is now has now,
Speaker 1: you know, become a Supreme Court justice and is regulating
Speaker 1: and systemically dismantling protection for women's health. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're willing to do dirt to, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, help big business, yeah, you can make it
Speaker 1: really far in America. You know, they love that, they
Speaker 1: love they love a good team player and uh Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the only thing I can find on Edwards Sr is
Speaker 1: that he went to Yale, and Brett Kavanagh perjured himself
Speaker 1: when he said he had no connection to Yale, because
Speaker 1: he was in fact a legacy. Of course, Edward E.
Speaker 1: Edward Kavanaugh senior. Yeah, GRANDPA, his GRANDPA, got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's his dad is junior. Got It. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's something to keep an eye on, is whether
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court allows this Texas two step thing, because
Speaker 1: once they do, it's really not safe for anyone in
Speaker 1: the United States because corporations will be able to kill
Speaker 1: us with impunity and no liability. And Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: right now. Johnson and Johnson, like I said, their most
Speaker 1: recent quarterly reports. Just four billion dollars in sales. They've
Speaker 1: declared bankruptcy and are essentially off the hook for all
Speaker 1: the people they're killing. And One woman a day has
Speaker 1: died waiting to find out if their case against the
Speaker 1: company would ever be heard. So super good, super good.
Speaker 1: I looked up to see if I could boycott Johnson
Speaker 1: and Johnson. The answer is yes, you obviously could, but
Speaker 1: with difficulty. They own Thailand all and in all fandom
Speaker 1: being bye. I know they do a Vino just skin loves.
Speaker 1: I know it's good. It's good stuff. Unfortunately, God damn it.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, see, this is why I do a
Speaker 1: TV rewatch podcast. Man, God damn depressing. Oh Man, I
Speaker 1: find it invigorating, though. Like's, they're so openly that, like
Speaker 1: it is what you think when you're a kid and
Speaker 1: you're like the bad guys and good guys, and then
Speaker 1: when you come around and like they teach you, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's actually, you know, pretty complicated, and then you learn
Speaker 1: more and you're like no, it's actually not. There are
Speaker 1: bad guys there, I remember. So I started watching the
Speaker 1: new Lord of the Ring Show and uh, and then
Speaker 1: I re watched the Lord of the rings movies. And
Speaker 1: I've heard some people critiques of Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: in general as being like kind of like not, it's
Speaker 1: just war for the sake of good versus evil. There's
Speaker 1: no like, you know, it's not about a particular power struggle,
Speaker 1: you know, for a throne like game of thrones. It's
Speaker 1: not about like, Um, you know, it doesn't get in
Speaker 1: depth as to understand that the main motivation is evil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like why are the over why are the ORCS the
Speaker 1: way that they are? Wise, you know, sour on the
Speaker 1: way is. But then, you know, in rewatching it, I
Speaker 1: remember I just realized I was like no, but that's
Speaker 1: because there are ORCs, there are ghouls and they do
Speaker 1: run things. Do need to all band together and destroy
Speaker 1: more Goth and yeah, alright, well, we are gonna come
Speaker 1: back and talk TV and movies. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back and we recently, as recently as a
Speaker 1: few episodes ago, when Matt you were on. We we
Speaker 1: talked about movies verse TV. My feeling that I am
Speaker 1: missing out because I just have this bias against TV,
Speaker 1: like down to the frame rate, just down to like
Speaker 1: what TV looks like versus what movies look like. I
Speaker 1: will give a movie more weight than I will TV.
Speaker 1: Just like off the job. Even though I've watched the
Speaker 1: wire and been like that's better than any movie I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, I still will get excited when a movie
Speaker 1: is coming out. Don't really get excited for a new
Speaker 1: TV show coming out. Here you go cape in for
Speaker 1: big movie again, I think, but I get met. I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: or probably I'm wrong. So there's this new star wars
Speaker 1: series and or it dropped. It drops today, I guess,
Speaker 1: as you're listening to this, and according to Diego Luna,
Speaker 1: who is the star, it's kind of like a very
Speaker 1: long movie, which I think has connoted a level of
Speaker 1: class in the past. But critics are starting to be like, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's that's not good. Yeah, you did good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't really want that. I mean they tried that
Speaker 1: with the Godfather Saga and it didn't work out good.
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever watch the Godfather Saga? No, I
Speaker 1: like parts one to answer. It was. It was they
Speaker 1: decided to make the Godfather into a TV friendly edition
Speaker 1: by taking one and two, this is before three came out,
Speaker 1: and putting it in chronological order and then basically making
Speaker 1: it episodic and fun editing assignment. It's a fun editing assignment,
Speaker 1: but when you watch it you're like, Oh, you've ruined it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is wrong, the the the entire I
Speaker 1: mean godfather too, works because you go back and forth
Speaker 1: in time. It's like crazy. Yeah, no, you don't. Movies
Speaker 1: and TV are actually two very different mediums and to
Speaker 1: be like Oh, man, you know what we should do
Speaker 1: is make a really like that's like saying a mini
Speaker 1: series is just a long movie because you can watch
Speaker 1: it in one sitting. It's like, no, that's not what
Speaker 1: a not what a movie is like. If your episodes
Speaker 1: do not have an arc and you're like well, that's
Speaker 1: because it's a really long movie, it's like well, okay,
Speaker 1: then that's not a show. Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: There's I mean, there's so much to consider when you're
Speaker 1: looking at the two art forms. I think no one
Speaker 1: would stand for a ten hour movie because you'd be
Speaker 1: exhausted by it, because a film almost by definition, is
Speaker 1: supposed to move more quickly than that. Like you, the
Speaker 1: case of events, you're by rule of thumb, you're entering
Speaker 1: as late as possible, and entering is quickly. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you're entering as late as possible and leaving as quick
Speaker 1: as possible. Like you're not supposed to be spending extended
Speaker 1: amounts of times with these characters. Usually you're like looking
Speaker 1: at one theme. It's can be character driven, but mostly
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is get like encapsulate a
Speaker 1: moment or an event and explore that and then get out.
Speaker 1: That's that's one of movies about. Television is all about like,
Speaker 1: you know, loving the characters and the journey. It's supposed
Speaker 1: to be an extended piece of media and you know,
Speaker 1: before streaming, which I think is when a lot of
Speaker 1: this we came muddled, it was supposed to be, you know,
Speaker 1: serialized and that you're coming back every week to enjoy,
Speaker 1: you know, this thing again. You get a week of
Speaker 1: time between screenings to contemplate and dive into the thoughts
Speaker 1: of it and and like hypothesize about what's happening next,
Speaker 1: like it's a whole active experience even after the show ends,
Speaker 1: and that's something that film. You might talk about a film,
Speaker 1: but you're not like what happened next? If the movie
Speaker 1: is good, uh, you're like, okay, that's the end. So
Speaker 1: I think trying to conflate it and also, I think
Speaker 1: cheapens television, which really frustratings me of somebody who really
Speaker 1: enjoys TV, loves writing television and screening it. Like to
Speaker 1: constantly be like it's not TV, it's a movie. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is not HBO and it's not the nineties. We
Speaker 1: can evolve this idea that television, which is out of
Speaker 1: its golden era. Like we we lived through this huge
Speaker 1: balloon of like Oh, TV can be prestige. We came
Speaker 1: out of that being like, oh well, we want to
Speaker 1: make movies, the naked damn movie. What are you doing here?
Speaker 1: This is TV space. It's weird. Yeah, calling it, calling
Speaker 1: something you know. Oh you know, that TV show is
Speaker 1: just like a is a very long movie. Is just
Speaker 1: kind of an insult to TV shows that are just
Speaker 1: like no, we're a TV show and we're better than
Speaker 1: your movie. You know what I mean? Like people, I
Speaker 1: think it's way of saying like movies are better than TV.
Speaker 1: So if you watch this TV show, it's more like
Speaker 1: you're seeing a film. It's like, man, funk off, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a TV show. We all know what TV
Speaker 1: shows are. You can't lie to me. That has been
Speaker 1: the belief within the film and TV industries, right, is that?
Speaker 1: Like you have to level up two movies from TV
Speaker 1: for for a long time and they're only now coming
Speaker 1: back around to the idea of t TV being worthwhile.
Speaker 1: But but they're doing it kicking and screaming. I feel
Speaker 1: like this is one of those kicks and screams. is
Speaker 1: like Diego Luna being like yeah, this is like actually like,
Speaker 1: don't think of me as a TV actor because this
Speaker 1: is actually more of a movie. Strange to me because,
Speaker 1: like Brian Kranston really kicked down that door with breaking bad.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian, you were like, Oh, this guy, you
Speaker 1: can put them up against any actor and he's going
Speaker 1: to perform beautifully. It doesn't matter truly the material and
Speaker 1: what you see. If that is like a slash movie,
Speaker 1: starts being like Oh, I love to do TV, we
Speaker 1: got regular ass hours, just come go perfect, look, I
Speaker 1: would I would like to do that. And it's like
Speaker 1: it's weird to me because it's like you have people
Speaker 1: have already forgotten about Fargo, a series that constantly brings
Speaker 1: in a new very talented film actor to eat a
Speaker 1: season of television and has done so beautifully. You have
Speaker 1: like your Olivia Coleman's of the world who constantly just
Speaker 1: slipped back and forth. She doesn't care where she lands,
Speaker 1: she's just looking for an interesting role. I don't understand,
Speaker 1: you know, acting as a profession, but you can do
Speaker 1: it on stage or in the street or in a
Speaker 1: movie or on television. Like there's no limit to where
Speaker 1: you can perform. But there is a limit to how
Speaker 1: you constructure a television series. Even if you're looking at,
Speaker 1: you know, an instant bin Stream versus your weekly like
Speaker 1: network thing, you still need a pilot which still has
Speaker 1: a pretty strict formula or a set of rules. So
Speaker 1: you're trying to achieve which is different than your three
Speaker 1: act structure of a film. It's again just to try
Speaker 1: complate these two things as being the same or to
Speaker 1: diminish one by trying to be the other. I think
Speaker 1: you're seeing the kind of thing. This is what took
Speaker 1: us out of the goal and age of television. These
Speaker 1: people got too excited about being pristige. They forgot like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're making TV. Yeah, right, exactly. I mean it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, once they started realizing, like you know, you
Speaker 1: have these like premium cable channels that were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're not, we're not doing this for the ad break.
Speaker 1: So that means we can really focus on just the content,
Speaker 1: just making it good and, you know, well filmed and
Speaker 1: wealth thought out, and that was, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that brought us into like this golden age of television.
Speaker 1: Um and then now, because we're flooded with all streaming
Speaker 1: services having their original content. And when Jack, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? The frame rate? I agree with you.
Speaker 1: When I watch a Netflix original series, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: why does this look like trash? I don't understand why
Speaker 1: this looks weird, like some of it looks fine, but
Speaker 1: just some of it just feels like they all use
Speaker 1: the same goddamn camera and just actually do yeah, Netflix
Speaker 1: is like really strict. I mean they do. They have
Speaker 1: strict rules about which kind of cameras you can use
Speaker 1: because they're streaming and foreseeing the eight K revolution their processes.
Speaker 1: You need to be filming with these types of cameras
Speaker 1: and you need to have these kinds of shots, like
Speaker 1: it's almost a network Bible as opposed to a show Bible,
Speaker 1: which does create a lot of homogeny, and I think
Speaker 1: Netflix should change that. But yeah, but yeah, because of
Speaker 1: how homogeneous all of the shows look, you kind of
Speaker 1: like you've gotten to the point now where I feel
Speaker 1: like movies being a separate thing, being like Oh, movies
Speaker 1: are like back to in a way, being like, I
Speaker 1: think more I don't know, it's looked at. It's more
Speaker 1: prestigious in television. I mean they always was, but I
Speaker 1: feel like now the idea of being like we're not
Speaker 1: just another screaming show. No, we're a streaming show. That's
Speaker 1: a movie streaming show. It weren't movie, the TV show.
Speaker 1: Watch us. It's great, titanic over and over. But not
Speaker 1: to be too capitalist about it. But I also think
Speaker 1: post pandemic is having an effect on all of this,
Speaker 1: because theaters are opening back up and they really, really
Speaker 1: need people to come see movies. And what you're seeing
Speaker 1: is a very distinct uh effort to elevate films. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are being choosier about which
Speaker 1: films are going to green light. You have, you know,
Speaker 1: your billion dollar blockbusters were really leaning into action post pandemic.
Speaker 1: Bring back the ROM com, I say I think. I
Speaker 1: think especially Disney, if we look at what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do a star wars and marvel is trying to
Speaker 1: capture that intelligion as a way to tide you over
Speaker 1: in between film releases. I think it's and effective overall strategy,
Speaker 1: particularly for that fan base. But I also think, you know,
Speaker 1: television has that instant accessibility in your home that makes
Speaker 1: it you know, there's something about the element of time
Speaker 1: and being able to like paste it at your own
Speaker 1: leisure as opposed to spending a lot of money and
Speaker 1: for an event on a giant screen, and so I
Speaker 1: think we're trying to discover, you know, what is the
Speaker 1: balance between these two different venues and how do we
Speaker 1: service audiences who have sort of come to get the
Speaker 1: same level of special effects and performance that you could
Speaker 1: get in a theater in their home. What is now
Speaker 1: our dividing factor for these two services? And I don't
Speaker 1: really know what the answer to that is. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to come down to storytelling and
Speaker 1: I think what we're gonna want to see more on
Speaker 1: been are like larger emotional moments, you know. So, yes,
Speaker 1: the giant actions. Yes, you're big ROM com swing, sort
Speaker 1: of like we had the nineties. You're I'm envisioning a
Speaker 1: return of comedy Duos, just because typically in times of Um,
Speaker 1: thank you, and then times of depression, we reach we
Speaker 1: return to comedies. That's what we like as a people.
Speaker 1: Times of yeah, exactly, and we'll look at home is,
Speaker 1: you know, much more like a slew of like more nuanced,
Speaker 1: slow paced journeys, which I sort of think is how
Speaker 1: it has to be. But I don't know, I really
Speaker 1: don't like conflating the two. Yeah, I would love it
Speaker 1: if we got the return of comedy duos and that
Speaker 1: the and and where the entire goal was just to
Speaker 1: be funny. I do feel like there's been one of
Speaker 1: the big downsides of Prestige TV has been the comedy
Speaker 1: that is mostly drama and like sometimes it's perfect, like Barry,
Speaker 1: and some times I'm just like, Oh, why is this?
Speaker 1: Why is this called a comedy? It is this is
Speaker 1: not this is just a bunch of therapists crying, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just like there are just some shows that
Speaker 1: I just can't it's like I don't want Abbott and
Speaker 1: Costello to be like who's on first, and he's just
Speaker 1: like my bipolar disorder and it's like come on, man,
Speaker 1: I think comedy is at a good place and in movies,
Speaker 1: my favorite comedian is the rock and I think that
Speaker 1: like those, those are some great comedies. I so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something that's gonna get people mad, but I do.
Speaker 1: How are you guys both watching the Lord of the Rings? Serious?
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen the latest episode. I've only I'm
Speaker 1: like ten minutes into the second episode. I'm having I
Speaker 1: just want to preface this by saying like it not
Speaker 1: only do I have like a movie bias, I have
Speaker 1: a teen Wolf Shaped Lens that I watch every every
Speaker 1: entertainment through, because I like watch team wolf when I
Speaker 1: was very young and now I watched it so young that,
Speaker 1: like everything else, is built on top of that and
Speaker 1: I still, like, I still watched teen wolf and I
Speaker 1: have no notes. I'm like, no, that's that's a great movie.
Speaker 1: That's so like I'm an idiot, like, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't have good taste in movies or anything. You're watching
Speaker 1: Lord of the rings like he needs more Teen Wolf
Speaker 1: needs more break dancing teenagers. You're watching Schindler's list. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't see any wolves playing basketball, but
Speaker 1: I like, I'm wondering and I'm not like articulate enough
Speaker 1: to like figure out what my issue is, but I'm
Speaker 1: really having a hard time making my way through Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings, even though everything on screen is like
Speaker 1: impressive and like the acting seems good and the effects
Speaker 1: seem amazing and like it's like really thoroughly imagined and
Speaker 1: it has cool stuff, and I'm just like there's something,
Speaker 1: and I am wondering. This story, which was cemented by
Speaker 1: a writer jam, made me wonder if, like it. It
Speaker 1: has something to do with the pacing, which is something
Speaker 1: I'm not great at picking up on. Um, I mean
Speaker 1: my initial thought is that you're watching it and you're
Speaker 1: just furious because you're like elves can't be black. That's
Speaker 1: my it's definitely Jacks Fish. Yeah, that's your first reaction. No,
Speaker 1: I actually I I understand where you're coming from. I
Speaker 1: personally the reason I love the show, Um, is because
Speaker 1: I just I love Lord of the Rings, I Love
Speaker 1: I love the books, I love the Lore. All of
Speaker 1: it is fascinating to me. So as I'm watching it,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like I'm watching on more of a
Speaker 1: nerd level than I think, like a regular viewer. But
Speaker 1: I felt the same way about the movies and to
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't understand why the general public like
Speaker 1: the movies either, because the movies are also incredibly nerdy.
Speaker 1: There it's like, you know, the Tolkien use of language
Speaker 1: is so like, it's so fantasy that it's like I
Speaker 1: could see it being completely inaccessible to most people. I
Speaker 1: was surprised that people like Flor the rings, because I
Speaker 1: was like, they speak elvish for like half of it
Speaker 1: and it's and it's it's literally people with pointy ears just,
Speaker 1: you know, being like we must destroy the ring. Like
Speaker 1: for me, I'm a little nerd kid, so I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got evil, but like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know about like why anyone who's normal would have liked it.
Speaker 1: So I can't I can't answer that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The reason you don't like it is probably because it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's not there's not enough teenage world and because very nerdy.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. People like the original for a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. Their names are Vigo Mortenson, lived tyler
Speaker 1: and Elijah Wood. That's what they came for and it
Speaker 1: was good. Bloom. I forgot that hot he was in
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, stacked with hotties. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the issues for the TV series. It's dense, Jack like,
Speaker 1: I would give yourself some grace and that it is
Speaker 1: extremely dense television material. It's not in any way handing
Speaker 1: you or even like just holding your hand and guiding
Speaker 1: you through the story, like I think a lot of
Speaker 1: pilots do, which is good. Not Doubting that at all.
Speaker 1: I think you know how to say so. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes like stories and we're gonna get, I say, some
Speaker 1: are used to digest than others. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times again, when we're in our living rooms
Speaker 1: on our very comfortable couches that we bought specifically for
Speaker 1: their comfort, you know we're in our cozy space, we're
Speaker 1: just trying to chill and watch some good stories. And
Speaker 1: you know, a good pilot is like here's a very
Speaker 1: easy guy to like. Hear the characters here at the
Speaker 1: states enjoy this story. Is All like, here's a bunch
Speaker 1: of philosophy. Maybe that's a bad guy or maybe he's
Speaker 1: the lost traveler. We don't know. You'll find out. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a little chaotic in here. It took two
Speaker 1: viewings for me to be like okay, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I understand everyone's like basic motive. It's dense. I'll just
Speaker 1: say that it's not. It's not kicked back. Watching it
Speaker 1: requires your full attention, which is not something everyone's trying
Speaker 1: to do when they're on the couch and it's it is.
Speaker 1: It is a slow burn, I think, before you get
Speaker 1: to some of the more, I don't know, accessible human stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, once they I mean, I love hobbits. I'm
Speaker 1: a big Hobbit Guy. When I see hobbits on screen
Speaker 1: I'm like fuck, yeah, hobbits. So and I think people
Speaker 1: like hobbits in general, like the general public life and
Speaker 1: because they are relatable. Um People, for sure. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think the show, once it gets a little more
Speaker 1: hobbit heavy, I think people will enjoy it more. But
Speaker 1: I love the charming little touches and like villages and
Speaker 1: the like origami boats, the turn into the big like that.
Speaker 1: I love like the little touches. It's like the main
Speaker 1: thrust of the story. I'm just like yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel you, but like yeahs are coming in the back
Speaker 1: half of episode two and they are freaking to like
Speaker 1: they're fantastic. Yeah, if you haven't you've gotten there yet.
Speaker 1: Then it starts. It does start picking up, but I'll
Speaker 1: admit most of my excitement comes from wanting to see
Speaker 1: people that I know from both Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: and from like the summarillion. So I'm just W yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that. To the point about like things
Speaker 1: being paste as TV versus movies versus like I think
Speaker 1: game of thrones was at its best when it was
Speaker 1: paste like based on what was happening in the novels,
Speaker 1: and like they want able to just like run off
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, now we need a big battle
Speaker 1: at the end of the this season, and so we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to make it so that he can run
Speaker 1: across the country on foot in order to like get there.
Speaker 1: For the best, you know, they just kind of stuck
Speaker 1: with whatever pacing the novels dictated and that that felt
Speaker 1: better to me than towards the end, where it felt
Speaker 1: like they got more into somewhat generic TV paces right
Speaker 1: and having to you know, they also had to wrap
Speaker 1: things up. So they felt like they the audience was
Speaker 1: craving big battles and they made a choice to do
Speaker 1: eight episodes in a final season, like some dumbmasses, when
Speaker 1: you had at least ten episodes worth of drama to
Speaker 1: adequately wrap up. And then he spent the first tree
Speaker 1: just at winter. Felt a lot of terrible decisions were made.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect storm. I mean also, come on,
Speaker 1: the long night is one episode. I mean, come on, wow,
Speaker 1: it's not. Does the killing? What was this premonition about
Speaker 1: in the first place? What's going on? We're just gonna
Speaker 1: do away with all of the mysticism, just none of
Speaker 1: the where my first children? What's going down there? Just
Speaker 1: about it. We're done. All right. We could then talk
Speaker 1: about this. We'll have to cut it there. Matt, truly
Speaker 1: a pleasure, as always, having you. Where can people find
Speaker 1: you and follow you? You can find me on Instagram
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Speaker 1: press Blaine muted, because you know I need it. I
Speaker 1: need it all right. Is there a tweet or some
Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes,
Speaker 1: this tweet, I think it's from yesterday or a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago from comedian Andrew Moore at a more
Speaker 1: or less on twitter. Born has completely lost the plot.
Speaker 1: I was watching a video where the premise was a
Speaker 1: girl gets sucked by her stepfather while her stepmother is
Speaker 1: in the next room. How does someone have a stepmother
Speaker 1: and a stepfather? I love that. And then you just
Speaker 1: try to imagine, like why, what the just a confluence
Speaker 1: of events that would lead to you being raised by
Speaker 1: two strangers? Yeah, M Joel, as always, so great having
Speaker 1: you as guest host. Where can people find you and
Speaker 1: what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Super Fun as always. Uh, you guys know me. Find
Speaker 1: me all of the Internet. Agile Monique. It's J O
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Werthererspoon, who was a fantastic romantic novelists. Those are words. Uh.
Speaker 1: She beyonce posted a video congratulating her church on like
Speaker 1: it's their anniversary. It's very sweet, beautiful, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
Speaker 1: Rebecca and all of beyonce's fans, and I think she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: It's a face up video, her face real round. We
Speaker 1: don't have no choreography for this new album yet. So
Speaker 1: back tweets. This woman is pregnant and we ain't get
Speaker 1: into the choreography until. I would scream beyonce, but my
Speaker 1: brother and I want to hear about it. So, beyonce,
Speaker 1: please come back. I don't know what's happening like. Just
Speaker 1: give us an information. We're lost in a see of
Speaker 1: a great album. I listened to it at least once
Speaker 1: a day, but it's not enough. I need a video,
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Speaker 1: Video is actually less of a video and more of
Speaker 1: a movie, length movie. So that's what's happening there. You
Speaker 1: know what I know about this TV show? A movie?
Speaker 1: You know, you watch your TV show and you go,
Speaker 1: I wish this was a movie, and it was right.
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