Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to seventy three,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Days I a production. That's right, He's back, folks,
Speaker 1: a production of My Heart Radio. This is a podcast
Speaker 1: where we take a deep dive into America's share consciousness.
Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, January thirty one, which of course means last
Speaker 1: day of January. By day of January. Also probably not
Speaker 1: my kid's birthday because the child is not on earth yet,
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm back. Just it's touching gold, folks.
Speaker 1: But National thirty one, I said, National January. It's National
Speaker 1: thirty one plan for a vacation day, National Backwards Day,
Speaker 1: Inspire your Heart with Art Day, and National Hocolate Day.
Speaker 1: I felt like Hot Chocolate Day, said whatever. I hate.
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that there are things like that,
Speaker 1: like inspire your heart with art that is a good
Speaker 1: sentiment that nobody should be ashamed of like having or
Speaker 1: partaking in. But like I can't not see it in
Speaker 1: that font that like wine mom font, you know, like
Speaker 1: like yeah, been stitched into a pillow or whatever. The
Speaker 1: imagery is just fantastic. It's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: small child with their like hide hands like they were
Speaker 1: doing Thaidie finger paint. So if that doesn't inspire your heart, Jack,
Speaker 1: I don't know what will. How did they do that?
Speaker 1: Wanna That's the whole thing, dude, inspire your heart. Art
Speaker 1: just inspired your heart. That art inspired my heart. Now
Speaker 1: go to some artie to be a competitive parent. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we need to do that art project. We're like, what
Speaker 1: you got kids. My name's Jack O'Brien, ak Potatoes O'Brien,
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miless Miles Gray a k A. Big
Speaker 1: Daddy Grain almost almost I will be there, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I was just saying I can't leave y'all part
Speaker 1: of me, just if I'm like if I'm like, if
Speaker 1: I have the voice in my body, I get on
Speaker 1: the mic. That and also I just wanted to kick
Speaker 1: it with our guest today, So yeah, yeah, this is uh,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. This is long overdue
Speaker 1: Bill to be joined in our third seed. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite humans, one of my favorite creatives. He also
Speaker 1: co founded a humor magazine, Mental Philosophy, ran the New
Speaker 1: York studio for I Heeart Well Great Podcast, part Time
Speaker 1: Genius before moving on to start Kaleidoscope, a very exciting
Speaker 1: podcast studio and hosts the show star Line Drive. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to the show, the brilliant, the talented man Gashatika Off.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was too nice an introduction, man,
Speaker 1: you heavy man. Big fans over here, big fans, Her majesty,
Speaker 1: hold the baby for another day. I could be here
Speaker 1: for the hold on, hold on, let me look at it.
Speaker 1: If this is right, full disclosure, Her majesty, have the
Speaker 1: pregnancy salad, which is this thing in l A that
Speaker 1: supposedly like induces labor but like it's just like a
Speaker 1: t MZ like l a myth basically. But it's funny
Speaker 1: when you go they make you sign a book is ship.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh you haven't, okay, you gotta fill out
Speaker 1: the book then, and it's just wild. I'm like they
Speaker 1: have a God complex about it there, like put your
Speaker 1: name in the Book of life, right, like leave your
Speaker 1: inscription pond the wall for the other travelers that are curious.
Speaker 1: But it's such a scam to me, like because you're
Speaker 1: dealing with something too, and it also didn't work. It's
Speaker 1: just it's but it's brilliant, right because for people don't know.
Speaker 1: There's like this thing is like the pregnancy salad and
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to do. People come like when they're
Speaker 1: around the time they're expecting, they have it and supposedly
Speaker 1: would induce labor. But like you're already dealing with people
Speaker 1: that are like very close to having a child anyway,
Speaker 1: So you can describe it to fucking anything, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It like you'd be like l a water,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, take two SIPs l a
Speaker 1: water every day. But is there anything special about the salad,
Speaker 1: like it's a spicy or is there like no, I
Speaker 1: guess I fucking down like a couple. Like I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: brings something actually dressing real quick because I wanted to
Speaker 1: know because all I knows it's the dressing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something in the dress. It's a straight up vinaigrette.
Speaker 1: It's just a big that's I'm like, this is genius.
Speaker 1: This is genius. They don't know. But you put a
Speaker 1: placebo affecting people's heads. I love that. And they're just
Speaker 1: making bank off. There were so many other pregnant people
Speaker 1: there was wild. Yeah, I misunderstood what the pregnancy salad was,
Speaker 1: and I ate just bushels of that ship trying to
Speaker 1: get a junior situation, but it had been good for
Speaker 1: the show's visibility and did not work out. Disappointed a
Speaker 1: lot of people that day ecut to me, I was like, Jack,
Speaker 1: that's not how it works, man, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's like a big type situation where you interacted this magical,
Speaker 1: mundane thing and the impossible. Yeah, these are exciting, terrifying times.
Speaker 1: So glad to spend them with you. Miles. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I guess you're also daddy. What what's am? I? Am?
Speaker 1: I ever gonna not be nervous in anticipation of this
Speaker 1: child coming up? Or were you cool, calm and collected
Speaker 1: because everything I'm I was telling Jack earlier, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just a wreck right now. When the fund is
Speaker 1: when's it coming? I was? I was so anxious. But
Speaker 1: I was also trying to like finish all these like
Speaker 1: like we had a cover story and the author dropped
Speaker 1: out or the writer dropped out, and so I ended
Speaker 1: up writing it. So I was like, I was like
Speaker 1: trying to get Lizzie to like hold off like having
Speaker 1: this kid and tell us finished. So but um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I was anxious the whole time. I
Speaker 1: was actually the whole like the first few months. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: you have an alien in your house. I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: I've always been an alien in my house. So I
Speaker 1: went on this, uh, this astrology for the reporting for
Speaker 1: the show, I went to India and visit all these
Speaker 1: like crazy astrologers and things, and like one of these
Speaker 1: guys told me that like he was talking about black
Speaker 1: magic and all this black magic that had been put
Speaker 1: on him and like how he found this amulet and
Speaker 1: he burned in and reversed the curse on these people.
Speaker 1: And then he was like and also, Tamil's the most
Speaker 1: important language in India. It's the only language aliens understand.
Speaker 1: It's like I was not expecting any of this, but
Speaker 1: particularly that part, like Tamil Hubris coming at me the
Speaker 1: one language. So yeah, the show seems amazing, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like the research has been pretty a journey, I
Speaker 1: guess to say the least. Yeah, it's been wild. I
Speaker 1: mean like it's it's one of those things that like
Speaker 1: I did it kind of as a lark because I
Speaker 1: knew that astrology was ridiculous, but also like a part
Speaker 1: of my life like my parents were only married because
Speaker 1: there um charts matched, and and like and my mom's
Speaker 1: chart had something that said, like he couldn't have a
Speaker 1: mother in law or her mother in law would die,
Speaker 1: and like my dad had lost his mom as a baby,
Speaker 1: and so like they got paired up as a result
Speaker 1: of that. They were like each other and and and
Speaker 1: so like they went on dates and wrote letters and
Speaker 1: all this stuff and then decided they did like each other.
Speaker 1: But but like so like I'm here because of astrology,
Speaker 1: whether or not I believe in it, you know, we're
Speaker 1: just like like this, but like we met the first
Speaker 1: astrologer who was on CNN. Like in the early days
Speaker 1: of CNN, they were just trying to figure out like
Speaker 1: how to get ratings, so they put an astrologer on
Speaker 1: like like hey, uh, there's that page in the newspaper
Speaker 1: and we're a news channel, so fuck it, let's give
Speaker 1: it a shot. Should we also have a crossword puzzle?
Speaker 1: But she was like like she was like all these
Speaker 1: anchors would like deride me on like on air, and
Speaker 1: then asked me to do their charts right after, Like
Speaker 1: and the thing, I feel like that's the my my
Speaker 1: brain doesn't want to believe in it. But then like
Speaker 1: all these things happen in my life and I'm like, man, like,
Speaker 1: so I got I can't admit, like we're gonna cut
Speaker 1: this ship. I'm not adjusting, you're cutting this. But I like, like,
Speaker 1: I think I told you this when you were telling
Speaker 1: me that you're going to do this show. That like
Speaker 1: my three best friends and my wife are all born
Speaker 1: within a day of one another. Yeah, like all the
Speaker 1: first people that I hired it cracked. We're all like
Speaker 1: born in the same week. And like all the ship
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm not I'm obviously not checking for
Speaker 1: but it's checking for me whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: Jack Well, I mean that the crazy serious thing that
Speaker 1: happened to me was like I went in as a
Speaker 1: lark and and my friend A J. Jacobs, who's this writer,
Speaker 1: he was like, you should just like follow everything the
Speaker 1: strolger says to the word, so like hire someone. And
Speaker 1: when they when the strolger is like that person isn't
Speaker 1: right for your show that you got let him go
Speaker 1: and it's like good tape or whatever. And and he
Speaker 1: during our reading, it was like all a really nice
Speaker 1: reading and and except he said, like your dad is
Speaker 1: gonna fall ill and might not make it through this year.
Speaker 1: And then like twenty minutes after our session, I was
Speaker 1: like hang out with my cousin at the shop, and
Speaker 1: I got this text from my dad that was like,
Speaker 1: I have metastatic cancer. We didn't realize this is a
Speaker 1: threat to my body. And it's like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was. It was awful, But it's also like one
Speaker 1: of those things that like there are things that are
Speaker 1: just so eerie that they're hard to discount, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and so like you don't want to believe
Speaker 1: in something, and at the same time, like once someone
Speaker 1: said something, suddenly it gains this new truth or something.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, pregnancy salad, you know. Reader, We had somebody,
Speaker 1: We had somebody who was going to tell us what
Speaker 1: the sex of our second child was going to be
Speaker 1: based on the rolls of fat in our first child's thighs.
Speaker 1: And she like had an annulet like we didn't like
Speaker 1: go to her or like she was for her first child,
Speaker 1: and she had it like put an ammulet over him
Speaker 1: and like went back and forth and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a girl for for certain, and we
Speaker 1: she was like talking to us through it, and she
Speaker 1: was like, except sometimes it's the opposite. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's only two options. It could be that
Speaker 1: could be the what I said to Yeah, there's this
Speaker 1: story I heard about this guy in the Middle East
Speaker 1: who who is a sonographer and he looks at baby's
Speaker 1: palms in utero and then tells rich moms the exact
Speaker 1: moment that they should have a c section so that
Speaker 1: their baby will have the like perfect birth going forward.
Speaker 1: And so like I talked to ob g Winz about
Speaker 1: this in India and they're like, yeah, people come in
Speaker 1: and they're like I need my kids lived in this
Speaker 1: exact nineties second window and like and they have to
Speaker 1: do that, and otherwise they lose business or ever, right,
Speaker 1: and so like it's this craziness around babies. But I
Speaker 1: was asking him. I was like, what about this guy
Speaker 1: who reads palms in utero. He's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: like I have the best scenography equipment in the world,
Speaker 1: and like, you can't read a baby's palm in it.
Speaker 1: And and secondly, most babies hold their palms and fists
Speaker 1: and so reader, they're like, how you gonna see their palms?
Speaker 1: I've seen them, I'm seeing them don't. Don't you think
Speaker 1: that that salad place should be just like selling it's
Speaker 1: dressing though, like you do, like you can buy it again.
Speaker 1: Like it's just I think with everything, like whether it's
Speaker 1: astrology or pregnancy salads, there's always a fun to think
Speaker 1: that there just might be something that we can't quite
Speaker 1: fathom that has like a power that we can tap into.
Speaker 1: So I get that. But just me looking at like
Speaker 1: just the grim nature of our capitalist economy, I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, dude, you can start a fucking racket
Speaker 1: with a bunch of things. It's like, yo, dude, you
Speaker 1: have this bobo right, Oh my god, you can get
Speaker 1: birth within at least four weeks of that, but you
Speaker 1: gotta happen when your thirty six weeks pregnant. And it's like,
Speaker 1: sure the map there works out, but you know, we
Speaker 1: all do what we got too deferred results. You do,
Speaker 1: like you're eat this salad and your child in their
Speaker 1: thirties will have the greatest run of luck ever, Right,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, that that might work, like just
Speaker 1: very very specific things. Yeah, yeah, like a like a
Speaker 1: thousand dollar Ivy League salad. Rightly, Yeah, there it is
Speaker 1: ship okay, exactly that is a kind of dumb ship
Speaker 1: that like happened in like New York or LA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eighteen years, you had an eighteen year window, right, But also,
Speaker 1: you know the way that Ivy League schools work is actually,
Speaker 1: you know, if if a family has enough money to
Speaker 1: spend on a thousand dollars salad, they'll probably like but
Speaker 1: don't read into the data too much. It's causation cas alright, man,
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna get to know you a little
Speaker 1: bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our
Speaker 1: listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the Memphis Police Department who apparently gave a
Speaker 1: white cop a slap on the wrists and no murder
Speaker 1: charge because you know, there was a white officer who
Speaker 1: was present and tazing and yeah, just all around. Still
Speaker 1: dealing with the fallout from that. So we're we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the Tyree Nichols case. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: cancel culture striking again. Louis c. K Man like he
Speaker 1: had a sold out show at Madison Square Garden. I
Speaker 1: didn't even hear about it. He really did. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had a sold out show at Medison Square Card Good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about there's a bunch of pandemic themed
Speaker 1: movies comedies coming our way, and I'm just curious particularly yeah,
Speaker 1: to get you guys thoughts on like what it feels
Speaker 1: like we don't want to watch I I at least
Speaker 1: will speak personally, don't want to watch pandemic themed content
Speaker 1: at all. And I remember when during the pandemic, I
Speaker 1: was very hungry for pandemic themed content, like you know,
Speaker 1: people grappling with all of this, and was went back
Speaker 1: to be like, well, it's surely they were like great,
Speaker 1: you know, novels written during the night pandemic, and like
Speaker 1: the big one was written like thirty years later, and
Speaker 1: that's still the best thing that I've written. Kim was
Speaker 1: The Plague. But the best thing I've read is Kim
Speaker 1: is the play hold on that you You wrote him
Speaker 1: the Plague? Yeah, I wrote it. A few people realize
Speaker 1: that and that they were like this guy should edit Cracked.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, you should start a humor magazine. But the yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I So I'm just curious, like what
Speaker 1: we think it is, just like people are ready to
Speaker 1: move on. Is there something about you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: still there's World War One movie that's nominated for an
Speaker 1: Academy Award this year, So like War obviously photographs better
Speaker 1: than plague, but still it's like something that makes more
Speaker 1: of a cultural imprint, and pandemics just don't. It's like
Speaker 1: they're written and disappearing anchor something. So I want to
Speaker 1: talk about that other stuff. But first man guests, we
Speaker 1: do like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history. So recently Miles and I have been
Speaker 1: working on the show about a Robin Hood character, which
Speaker 1: which I'm super psyched about and Miles is incredible in.
Speaker 1: But coming out in April, yeah, I think may look. No,
Speaker 1: we're working on just so you know, this isn't a joke,
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a dope. Yeah, I'm I'm actually
Speaker 1: really excited. This is the first like narrative kind of
Speaker 1: podcast I've been I've hosted a voice so yeah, but
Speaker 1: go on, go on there. We're sending a reporter out
Speaker 1: next week to various parts of Grease to to chase
Speaker 1: down some of these myths of where this guy is
Speaker 1: hanging out, this fugitive and one of the places that
Speaker 1: we're sending him is mount Athos. Have you have you
Speaker 1: heard of Mount Athos? Yeah, it's it's this peninsula increase,
Speaker 1: and it is super strange. And I only just read
Speaker 1: about something like I'm reading about it in sort of
Speaker 1: like real time. But but it is this place that's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like super sacred to Christianity, and and
Speaker 1: so like the Russian Orthodox Church is there, the Greek
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church is there. But the craziest part about it
Speaker 1: is no women can go on and go into Mount Athos.
Speaker 1: But like so even the animals there are all male.
Speaker 1: They don't have any female animals. They're reverse Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: reverse Jurassic Park, fucking in cell Jurassic Park. And and
Speaker 1: it's like because the it's sort of this like tax
Speaker 1: haven slash, like Paradise splash whatever. I remember reading about
Speaker 1: this in the like I think Michael Lewis wrote like
Speaker 1: an article about the financial collapse in Greece's roll in it,
Speaker 1: and there was a bunch of it set in Mount Athos. First,
Speaker 1: that's definitely right, and and so like Putin apparently has
Speaker 1: hidden a lot of funnel a lot of money through
Speaker 1: the Russian Orthodox Church that's there. And it's these two
Speaker 1: like rival Orthodox church on this one island where it's
Speaker 1: only men and it's just like the this fascinating strange place.
Speaker 1: And and apparently in like the nineteen fifties there was
Speaker 1: a Greek reporter a woman who was sort of like
Speaker 1: reached the island for three days before she was caught.
Speaker 1: Like but but but they're like people who are constantly
Speaker 1: trying to get on the island or get get onto
Speaker 1: this peninsula and and and can't make it on wow,
Speaker 1: okay due to the ecosystem, Like well, like they can't
Speaker 1: control everything, right, and how do they police the birds
Speaker 1: flying in and out? I just have like world's best
Speaker 1: chicken sexors out. They're just like checking on every bird.
Speaker 1: Well they don't they friendly only have eggs on Easter
Speaker 1: like like they don't. I. I don't know the specifics
Speaker 1: of it, but I but I know that like there's
Speaker 1: there's like a pastoral land and they're only bulls there,
Speaker 1: and there's like the only birds that chirp for supposedly
Speaker 1: male male What what's the logic of it? Is it
Speaker 1: like some Adam and Eve stuff like where they're like
Speaker 1: you know, you know what happens when the females are
Speaker 1: around it is it is partially yeah like likesion and
Speaker 1: but but but also but also they land that I
Speaker 1: can't have those on what the fun is going on here?
Speaker 1: What it supposedly it's the only like the only woman
Speaker 1: who's been on the land is the virsion Mary. Like
Speaker 1: it's so yeah, there's like a whole story. The way
Speaker 1: to keep its sacred is just a bunch of lonely
Speaker 1: men cranking off like like men's weekends. It feels it
Speaker 1: feels right, Yeah, there's an article we're probably not gonna
Speaker 1: have time to get to, but it's all about like
Speaker 1: the crisis of men in the modern world, and it's
Speaker 1: it it's not written from like the men's rights movement,
Speaker 1: but it's like just men are doing worse in school,
Speaker 1: like by like drastically like boys are doing worse than school.
Speaker 1: Or it's just like this sort of global thing across
Speaker 1: societies that men are struggling. And this feels like I
Speaker 1: don't have the explanation, but the need to create this
Speaker 1: this sort of thing where it's like just just us,
Speaker 1: me and my boys can be ourselves like without women
Speaker 1: aroundably probably has something to do with cis. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: dealing with like who thousand year old cultural norms and
Speaker 1: you're wondering why people are struggling in the year. But
Speaker 1: what you could do is so like we could burp
Speaker 1: without having to say excuse me or like it's just
Speaker 1: like so mad. That's so tight, dude. As for the fellas,
Speaker 1: what can I says my ultimate man cave? Now that's great.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back
Speaker 1: and talk more, get to know you better, and we're back.
Speaker 1: And man, guess what is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: I think Bono is overrated? Whoa and and I don't
Speaker 1: mean I mean like I like Bono himself as a musician,
Speaker 1: I guess and and like but dude, what wait what
Speaker 1: what you were just talking about? How chill mount at
Speaker 1: those dido is overrated? I'll tell you why. I think
Speaker 1: why I think Bono's overrated because every time someone pitches
Speaker 1: you a podcast and they're like searching for relevance, they
Speaker 1: pitched that they're going to get Bono on the podcast.
Speaker 1: The idea that like, you know that this is gonna
Speaker 1: change whether or not a podcast works is like ludicrous
Speaker 1: to me. But it's always like no, no, no, they
Speaker 1: said they were gonna have Bono on, we should like
Speaker 1: sign him to the three show deal, you know, like
Speaker 1: like Bono was the bane of my existence like at
Speaker 1: my Heart and and uh and now I feel like
Speaker 1: like people throw it out, like it's like you're still
Speaker 1: seeing Bo's face on a deck for a show. I've
Speaker 1: never heard Bono on a podcast. I mean, like I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's been on a podcast, but like he's not
Speaker 1: going to come on your real estate podcast to talk
Speaker 1: about like you know, fancy New York apartments, Like that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. And what's going on? And yeah with
Speaker 1: like how he's diversifying his portfolio as he gets older
Speaker 1: kind of ship like that happening, But it is funny
Speaker 1: yet to your point, just some inside industry baseball, like
Speaker 1: when we we've looked at pitches for shows at my Heart,
Speaker 1: like there is there is something he is, like an
Speaker 1: ever present like potential hosts that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, and this thing about Tupac's unsolved murder,
Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, you're not. What are you you
Speaker 1: talking about? Just because he did like a show with
Speaker 1: one of the producers fifteen years ago, Like no, like
Speaker 1: and no one wants to see that ship or here.
Speaker 1: But that's like that's exactly how tangential like Bono is
Speaker 1: to so many of these things, and he still shows
Speaker 1: up everywhere. It's like climate change, like HIV aids. I
Speaker 1: think there was another pitch where it was about something
Speaker 1: like with the eighties or something, and then also having
Speaker 1: Bono voice that were like, yeah, he anything that touches Africa.
Speaker 1: It's it's like, oh, we we got the present for us.
Speaker 1: You know, remember Project Red or sept What is something
Speaker 1: that's just so wild that that like I feel like
Speaker 1: I can't get past them. Sorry, I can't both past
Speaker 1: like the cool the coolest possible. A lot of people haven't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it reveals that like cool factor or the
Speaker 1: age of the person putting the deck together, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Dude, this thing about Crypto, Dude, you
Speaker 1: know he's sick to hostess fucking what? No. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's Hamilton's but older like Hamilton's but more irrelict.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it was irrelevant when Hamilton's like
Speaker 1: you know how Hamilton's just like aged like bananas, and
Speaker 1: now it's just like I thought it was so cool
Speaker 1: when it first came out. Now I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: listen to a single song without like stringing at this ship,
Speaker 1: and like I actually never really fucked with you two,
Speaker 1: but like I've never either, Yeah, we never funked with
Speaker 1: you two. Man you at the band? Okay, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's to that point though. I feel like
Speaker 1: we also see lin Manuel Miranda as a host pitched
Speaker 1: as a host too. Yeah, you know, like certain things
Speaker 1: like someone like lin Manuel Miranda. So I guess we
Speaker 1: always have. I guess is he are new Banu? Is
Speaker 1: this all to say? Is lin Manuel Miranda taking the
Speaker 1: mantle for Bano? I don't know. I actually got a
Speaker 1: text from one of the I guess the agencies have
Speaker 1: ears in our recording studio because they just told me
Speaker 1: I can kiss any future of having a Hamiltons cast
Speaker 1: member on TDZ goodbye. So well, we already booked a
Speaker 1: v digs good luck. What is something, man, guest, do
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? So? I feel weird saying this.
Speaker 1: The arts with hearts today that you push in the beginning,
Speaker 1: So I think clubs and making your own clubs are
Speaker 1: are underrated. Because Ruby my kid, and I like I
Speaker 1: was traveling a lot, like not finding more like time
Speaker 1: for stuff. And then we decided to have like a
Speaker 1: Tuesday night art club where we like make mocktails and
Speaker 1: then do art and uh and and Ruby makes like
Speaker 1: a mix of music for it. And now like people
Speaker 1: want to come to Tuesday night art club and it's
Speaker 1: like it's like something so small and simple and there's
Speaker 1: like nothing that goes on. But it's just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's awesome. So I feel like when
Speaker 1: you put a label on something, it's it just makes
Speaker 1: it like more fun. And so yeah, so what's like,
Speaker 1: give me, give me an idea like that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the hottest club in town. People are banging on
Speaker 1: the door saying, hey, I brought females with me. The
Speaker 1: ratios are right. I want to be part of the
Speaker 1: You like, what's the kind of like what kind of
Speaker 1: like what was the last art project you made? So
Speaker 1: we took we took a bunch of like cardboard and
Speaker 1: make these giant faces out of them, like include them
Speaker 1: together and stuff. But like we're gonna do like a
Speaker 1: sneaker project where we just like call like paint sneakers together.
Speaker 1: We're gonna like okay stuff like that, like like white
Speaker 1: slip on canvas shoes or whatever. Yeah, like fans and
Speaker 1: just get a bunch of POSTCA markers and and like yeah,
Speaker 1: see now I'm already like, yeah, how do hey, how
Speaker 1: do I get in? Yeah? But is it? Is it
Speaker 1: like through a laundromat? Like do you have to walk
Speaker 1: through a laundromat? Like the hottest fourth dryer on the left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like but honestly, like like now somebody and more
Speaker 1: of my friends are getting like sober and they don't
Speaker 1: have things to do, like and you know, the evenings
Speaker 1: and like, and I have a kid, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna like like I still have to own being a
Speaker 1: dad and so like it's like an awesome way to
Speaker 1: to sort of force my friends to hang out with
Speaker 1: me and like and hang out with my kids. So
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I love it. I'm going to steal that idea.
Speaker 1: It's worful. Yeah, and I'm not gonna site you boys
Speaker 1: guess what daddy just thought of on his own right now.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but but like you know anything like
Speaker 1: my my I have some friends who do this like
Speaker 1: weekend in America and they just pick like you know,
Speaker 1: a different strange place they haven't been. And once, like
Speaker 1: you know, well once every three months four months, they
Speaker 1: take a field trip to this place and they have
Speaker 1: T shirts and like suddenly a T shirt makes something
Speaker 1: feel like more real or something that's Oh, that's great.
Speaker 1: The weekend in America, if they like discovered any under
Speaker 1: known about gems uh, I forget they told me about
Speaker 1: somewhere they went, yeah, yeah, you'll have to cut them on.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling it. You're you're about to answer the question. No,
Speaker 1: I mean that they were talking about some like like
Speaker 1: in Montana. There's some old like like the oldest Chinese
Speaker 1: restaurant in America, I think Montana and the and like so,
Speaker 1: so they went out there and like you know, the
Speaker 1: cowboys stuff. But then also like eight old Chinese foods
Speaker 1: m not Chinese. Yeah wow the pek in Noodle Parler,
Speaker 1: built in nine nine, the oldest continuously operating Chinese restaurant
Speaker 1: the United States in Butte, Montana. Wow, we just blew
Speaker 1: up Butte Montana. Yeah, beauty. Uh, sorry about that. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Never run with hipsters. Hey, set your airbnb rates high now,
Speaker 1: you know it just just't make that money while you
Speaker 1: can because they're cut ahead of the surge. Alright, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Memphis Police. So on Monday yesterday, they
Speaker 1: confirmed that a sixth officer have been placed on administrative
Speaker 1: leaving can action with the death of Tyree Nichols. Preston
Speaker 1: hemp Hill, the one white cop who was involved and
Speaker 1: who is not facing murder charges. H he hasn't been fired.
Speaker 1: He is the previously unidentified white officer who pushed Nichols
Speaker 1: to the ground and then hit him with a taser
Speaker 1: and I believe could be heard yelling on one of
Speaker 1: the videos. I hope they stomps his s at one
Speaker 1: point and he's just so he's just on time out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just on time out. So there you know, any
Speaker 1: any speculation that, oh it's I think you spent you
Speaker 1: said miles, Like it's weird how they were so quick
Speaker 1: to the b Yeah, listen to all what we've been
Speaker 1: saying all along, how they should deal with this ship
Speaker 1: by like when when every officer involved is black and
Speaker 1: but then but not like this. It's like but unless
Speaker 1: there's a white guy, in which case his white supremacy
Speaker 1: will also protect that person in the commission of a Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh it's it's this I wish we just like
Speaker 1: could reach the point in like mainstream discourse where we
Speaker 1: can just stop. Like we just called policing a failed experiment,
Speaker 1: and that's just being that's being very charitable even calling
Speaker 1: it an experiment, given the origins of policing. But like
Speaker 1: you know, like there's countless deaths, there's countless videos of
Speaker 1: people abusing their power and being in brutalizing innocent people,
Speaker 1: and our reflex is to immediately try to problem solve,
Speaker 1: like as if this whole system of policing is like
Speaker 1: a man like a malfunctioning So no speaker that just
Speaker 1: needs to be unplugged real quick and then plug back
Speaker 1: in and then it'll start working like it needs oh wait,
Speaker 1: maybe see to update the software that's the problem. When
Speaker 1: really now the ship is broken and it's not worth
Speaker 1: continuing to try and think that we can solve our
Speaker 1: problems through this very narrow lens. And so like we
Speaker 1: can't expect any other outcome aside from the one we're seeing,
Speaker 1: because the whole concept is are just predict hated on
Speaker 1: the idea that our society's issues stem from dangerous hoodlums
Speaker 1: or someone having a mental health crisis, rather than the
Speaker 1: fact that we are being preyed upon by the wealthy
Speaker 1: and the powerful, and the proof of that predation is
Speaker 1: in how our social fabric is deteriorating before our eyes
Speaker 1: and the desperation that we see in our communities. That's
Speaker 1: that's what we need. That's the fucking boogee, man, we
Speaker 1: gotta go after not what's this motherfucker doing in this
Speaker 1: part of town? Beat him up? Shoot him? Why is
Speaker 1: this person yelling? And gotta stick shoot him? Like, we're
Speaker 1: not fucking We're not, We're not dealing with the actual issues.
Speaker 1: And again we're just we'd rather do this thing where
Speaker 1: we're holding onto this broken fucking system and not just
Speaker 1: not just looking back and like, Yo, there's not a
Speaker 1: single thing you can show me that that indicates to
Speaker 1: me that this works, right, that's all the only thing.
Speaker 1: The only thing it does is continue to be a
Speaker 1: venue for increased spending. That's the only thing I've seen
Speaker 1: go up in a positive way, quote unquote. And that's
Speaker 1: where people that are invested in the carceral state. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of money gets spent. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: there's an argument that like this is working the way
Speaker 1: it was intended to work, you know, like that this
Speaker 1: is from the early days of American police being founded
Speaker 1: as a like slave patrol up to today. Like that,
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a pretty straight line that would
Speaker 1: suggest that this is what they had in mind. And yeah,
Speaker 1: people are getting rich off of it, and it feels
Speaker 1: like they just try and weather this ship, you know,
Speaker 1: just get get it past so it can keep doing
Speaker 1: what we wanted to do. And to see, like I
Speaker 1: mean in New York, the library budget got caught so
Speaker 1: that police brought to go up. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: these are places that are like lending ties to people
Speaker 1: so that they can go on job you know, for
Speaker 1: job interviews and like doing all this training and all
Speaker 1: this incredible community work and like you know, for for
Speaker 1: more policing. Like it just it just feels ludicrous. Three
Speaker 1: percent of US counties increased funding for police departments in
Speaker 1: two Like at this time when we're supposedly like as
Speaker 1: supposed to be out on police, they the whole and
Speaker 1: like you hear people like Bill Maher over the begin
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I mean, look, the cops were black
Speaker 1: that murdered him, So it might be that this this
Speaker 1: issue is bigger. It's not just about race or like
Speaker 1: I don't think race has anything to do like dismissing
Speaker 1: that it's it's it's really just about white supremacy. The
Speaker 1: police are. They uphold the system of white supremacy, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you look like. When you enter
Speaker 1: that system, you are you are there to uphold it.
Speaker 1: So it's not a mystery that it's like, wow, how
Speaker 1: could they do that? Because you hear people also say
Speaker 1: we just need more cops that live in the communities
Speaker 1: they patrol, or what if we just have more black cops,
Speaker 1: But the research doesn't show that that has does fucking anything,
Speaker 1: that has very minimal impact, if any, because again, like
Speaker 1: we're saying, at the end of the day, you're sending
Speaker 1: these people into cities as police and the game is predetermined,
Speaker 1: which means that these people think that they are peacekeepers
Speaker 1: dealing with some insurgent population that they have to defend
Speaker 1: themselves from. And I also have like quotas to meet
Speaker 1: and like yeah, I mean it's I mean, so what
Speaker 1: do they do, what serving? What what safety are they providing?
Speaker 1: Robin panaky on WANCT put together like an exhaustive list
Speaker 1: of statistics that just point to that underline, like what
Speaker 1: the funk like two percent of violent crimes are actually
Speaker 1: solved by the police four percent of police time four
Speaker 1: percent is the time that police spend devoted to dealing
Speaker 1: with violent crimes in any capacity, which is the only
Speaker 1: percent that you hear every time you bring up defunding
Speaker 1: the police, investing in alternatives to policing. They people are
Speaker 1: always what are you gonna do when someone shows up
Speaker 1: your house with a sub automatic? Okay? You know how
Speaker 1: about this? Okay, So let's say that happens and you've
Speaker 1: got seventy two feral hogs running wild on your property,
Speaker 1: you gotta call. Well, five percent of the time is
Speaker 1: the police actually are able to respond to a nine
Speaker 1: one one call in time to prevent violence from happening
Speaker 1: or even catching the person. So like we're every like,
Speaker 1: the success rates are fucking so low that you're like, well,
Speaker 1: if the whole point is like y'all stop this, y'all
Speaker 1: stop that, the numbers don't back it up, so we
Speaker 1: need to be we like, but again we're talking about
Speaker 1: upending the status quo and like abolishing the policing. But
Speaker 1: as it just logically it's not doing what even it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. So from that standpoint, it's a
Speaker 1: fucking l and all it does is created just a
Speaker 1: tremendous loss of life. And I don't know, like we
Speaker 1: we have such a problem even defining what we need,
Speaker 1: Like it's that like is it policing, you know, we
Speaker 1: need more policing or do we need to ensure that
Speaker 1: our communities are safe? And we need to figure out
Speaker 1: how to ensure that safety because it's not just we'll
Speaker 1: send the fucking patrols out to sweep bullshit up and
Speaker 1: brutalize people, because like we need safety, right, we need
Speaker 1: safety from lack of services or lack of a social
Speaker 1: safety net, or safety from like an economic system that
Speaker 1: sorts people into disposable and non disposable and the blink
Speaker 1: of a note Like those are the larger issues, but
Speaker 1: we get really if they've done a fantastic job rhetorically
Speaker 1: of like acting like this is a thing, like these
Speaker 1: are all like anomalous one off problems, right, rather than
Speaker 1: a completely failed thing. So most of us like feel
Speaker 1: like we're walking around and like looking a fun house
Speaker 1: mirror where it's like that doesn't look good. Actually, what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, but I guess I'll keep going because the
Speaker 1: way we're talking about it is just to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we can fix that thing a
Speaker 1: little bit. One of the things we talked about, like
Speaker 1: this idea that local the local news is like reliant
Speaker 1: on the acific leads, that leads ended the police as
Speaker 1: a source. But there's just been so many like cartoonishly
Speaker 1: just blatant failures by the police, just constantly, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just that that's if if the media wanted to portray
Speaker 1: this situation as it was, they would have no shortage
Speaker 1: of evidence of police failing on the job or committing
Speaker 1: violent crimes on the job. But instead they really shy
Speaker 1: away from it, like I was just every time something
Speaker 1: like this happens, I'm just like I just added to
Speaker 1: this mentalist with it. Like the child who was being
Speaker 1: held hostage by her dad and the police gotten a
Speaker 1: massive shootout and just shot her like to death when
Speaker 1: she was when she got away from her dad and
Speaker 1: was like running towards them, they were like, we didn't
Speaker 1: know if she was armed, and so they shot her
Speaker 1: to death. The cop who drove across country kidnapped a
Speaker 1: child and murdered her whole family, like the gold the
Speaker 1: Golden State killer we found out was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this was a couple of years back, but he was
Speaker 1: a cop who was using his ability like too, you know,
Speaker 1: his access as a cop to commit like one of
Speaker 1: the most heinous like strings of mergers back in the seventies.
Speaker 1: And they knew he was a cop because like based
Speaker 1: on all the ship that he knew like that. So
Speaker 1: it's just there's such a immense body of evidence that
Speaker 1: it would be like so easy for local news to
Speaker 1: stay like stick with that if it bleeds, it leads
Speaker 1: like thing, if that's what they want to show, But
Speaker 1: they they don't, like they're they're part of a broad
Speaker 1: system that wants to shy away from that reality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's again to keep you know, so these hedgemonic systems
Speaker 1: in place, and there's no there's no appetite to do that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, to your point, it's like you could every
Speaker 1: day there's something like, yeah, well guess how they funked
Speaker 1: up again today? Right, you know you could do that,
Speaker 1: you could do that constantly, but instead they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: and this guy hit the TikTok dance like challenge, like
Speaker 1: flawlessly with a bunch of school kids. Isn't that amazing? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: later on coming up in the hour, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about some dogs you can adopt who were shot by
Speaker 1: drug dealers. According to the police, they need a home.
Speaker 1: Like just every single thing is just fed through this
Speaker 1: lens like rhetorically that it's it's it's just always framed
Speaker 1: as well, how do we fix this thing that's completely
Speaker 1: broken and useless? Right, rather than being like this thing
Speaker 1: is broken and completely useless, what the funk are we
Speaker 1: gonna do about this? And extremely dangerous? It's broken. It's
Speaker 1: like those were you guys young enough that when or
Speaker 1: old enough? I guess that that like that, there was
Speaker 1: a big health panic around old refrigerators, just like left
Speaker 1: in people's yards. I mean, I'm older, but but I don't.
Speaker 1: They're remember that. There's like a special episodes about like
Speaker 1: old refrigerators because old refrigerators, I guess, used to lock
Speaker 1: from the outside when you would close them. Oh, so
Speaker 1: people would get like kids get stuck inside. People would
Speaker 1: play hide and seek. There was a very special I
Speaker 1: think Punky Brewster where she got trapped inside and they
Speaker 1: found her almost too late. But revived her with CPR.
Speaker 1: But anyways, it's broken and it's killing people constantly all
Speaker 1: over the place, like those old refrigeratorgerators. That is a
Speaker 1: reference that everybody understands. But I'm at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Punky brewstered it up copaganda for yeah ship,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean again, it's it's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: How like every day there's like you see the news
Speaker 1: when this happens, are like, oh, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's just raising more questions about our our
Speaker 1: our policing system. But there's just really again, there's no
Speaker 1: real good faith effort to do anything about because, like
Speaker 1: you said, of US counties increase their funding in two
Speaker 1: off the heels of all this, like yeah, we got
Speaker 1: to really think about this. It's all lip service because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like for for us
Speaker 1: to live in a type of world where we're looking
Speaker 1: out for who is actually causing harm, it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's actually a threat to the economic system. So like
Speaker 1: one very specific change that we could see them make
Speaker 1: include crimes committed by police in the crime rate. So
Speaker 1: when you fund the police, like the Scorpion Unit, let's
Speaker 1: see what happens to fucking violence in the community when
Speaker 1: you include all the violence that's being perpetrated by them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if you drop a scorpion into this precarious situation?
Speaker 1: Sounds like a good idea, but yeah yeah, and just
Speaker 1: like even the way things are worded, you know, like Scorpion,
Speaker 1: like what the fuck feel like? Yeah? They but again
Speaker 1: like they can't help people. It's a paramilitary death squad exactly.
Speaker 1: They knew exactly what they were doing. This is a
Speaker 1: group called Scorpion doing what you would expect a group
Speaker 1: called Scorpion to do. Yeah, not the not the kid
Speaker 1: gloves soft touch brigade. Yeah, alright, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll talk cancel culture and pandemic themed comedies.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back. And Luis e.
Speaker 1: K was trending on Twitter, which is never it's never
Speaker 1: a good thing, rarely hasn't been a good thing in
Speaker 1: a while, but this time was because I guess good
Speaker 1: for him. His recent Madison Square Garden concert sold out.
Speaker 1: Guys killing it. Wow, he can't even kill his own career,
Speaker 1: look at him. So TikTok or Italia lick Stune went
Speaker 1: viral by she just like got up and was like,
Speaker 1: can we stop canceling guys who are brilliant artists over hearsay,
Speaker 1: like yeah, women have stories of him then being creepy,
Speaker 1: but then you know, and yes, their stories may match up.
Speaker 1: But because of that, we're gonna just make it so
Speaker 1: they can never work again. And as she says that,
Speaker 1: like behind her those digital billboard changes to read tonight
Speaker 1: louis sold out, so extremely well done. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's cancel culture is like you have to
Speaker 1: have a pretend boogie person that that is like made
Speaker 1: for for powerless people to feel like it's like effective,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like powerful white guys,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, the cancel culture. It's like come on,
Speaker 1: they're even like come on, you know they can't cancel me.
Speaker 1: But I'll be like, oh, the cancel culture. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, societally, we're not we're not
Speaker 1: actually ready to hold people to account or of experience
Speaker 1: the kind of see change that would actually be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, what you're doing as foul should actually exclude
Speaker 1: you from like from participating in X, Y and Z
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it finds a way now where very quickly,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: it has. It has this way where like in the
Speaker 1: beginning you feel like, oh, thank god, look some people
Speaker 1: are like not booking Louis c K. That's good. I
Speaker 1: like what that's indicating. And it gives people a moment
Speaker 1: to feel like something like maybe something is happening, but
Speaker 1: then it just comes right back. That's why I think
Speaker 1: cancel culture is much more effective as like this specter
Speaker 1: to raise for like you know, the powerful to deploy
Speaker 1: against themselves, because it's not going to do anything. I
Speaker 1: mean I I was in a fairly after fairly soon
Speaker 1: after the like LYK stuff like came out, Like I
Speaker 1: was in a room with a with like a newscaster
Speaker 1: because we're on this like attracting various like podcast. It
Speaker 1: was to the space or whatever, and and and she
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even understand what he did. Like
Speaker 1: that that was so bad. And it's like how I mean,
Speaker 1: like one just just being in that room with women
Speaker 1: and like like you know, not letting them leave and
Speaker 1: and and exposing himself doing all these things was was
Speaker 1: awful in itself, but like the fact that like he
Speaker 1: he had his manager, like basically anyone who was about
Speaker 1: to speak out or like wouldn't can assent like like
Speaker 1: basically like shut down their career and not get them
Speaker 1: like the any clubs and stuff like like he he
Speaker 1: canceled like several women's careers, like you know, like like
Speaker 1: like tons of you and and like and I think
Speaker 1: like in that mix of of problematic people and men
Speaker 1: in particular and whatever, like like somehow because they had
Speaker 1: different gradations of what they did and their awfulness, like
Speaker 1: people just kind of all forgot like a lot of
Speaker 1: the worst ones and only kept like the I mean
Speaker 1: even like you know, the president who's who's assaulting women
Speaker 1: and whatever, right like like the accountability for him wasn't
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly great and it's not like he got canceled
Speaker 1: in a big way, and so like I mean, I
Speaker 1: I just think that like I in some ways like
Speaker 1: it's it's to me, it's it's this is maybe not
Speaker 1: fair thing to say, but like I feel like you
Speaker 1: end up being so numb from like all the accusations
Speaker 1: and stuff that people like stop investing in like how
Speaker 1: much how much it's worth? You know, I like to
Speaker 1: not well I think the numbness comes from the lack
Speaker 1: of accountability that follows. Yeah, because if if if you
Speaker 1: knew there was there was a cause and effect sort
Speaker 1: of sequence, then you'd be like, yeah, fine. I'm always
Speaker 1: outraged to hear that someone's like, you know, experiencing a
Speaker 1: lack of agency or having some kind of transgression they're
Speaker 1: experiencing at the hands of a sexual predator. That should
Speaker 1: That will always be upsetting. But to your point, it's
Speaker 1: sort of the same way we feel about mass shootings
Speaker 1: or lease violence when it happens over and over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, and you're just like, I'm I
Speaker 1: the only I can't be the only person who this
Speaker 1: really bothers, Right, You're being gas lit by your society
Speaker 1: into just being like, y, yeah, no, we we saw that,
Speaker 1: we know it. We know that that's bad. That's bad,
Speaker 1: that's going to end the world, and we get no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we get it. It's bad. Where we changed our heads
Speaker 1: so that we're now our logo is green. So like
Speaker 1: Louis not on FX anymore, right, Louise Louis lost his
Speaker 1: show on FFX, and I think one one of his
Speaker 1: movies got buried by being like incredibly creepy, like the
Speaker 1: movie That Got Buried was incredibly creepy. But also like
Speaker 1: so people are coming through and being like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got fans, what do you want them to do?
Speaker 1: But like a tour like that counts on like many
Speaker 1: institutions to come together. And also he has like subsequently
Speaker 1: made a movie that was released just one a fucking
Speaker 1: Grammy last year, So he's like not, he's not. It's
Speaker 1: it's another thing like BP claiming that they're now an
Speaker 1: energy company and they're actually part of the solution at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, it's a it's just a cosmetic
Speaker 1: change that's being made, and it is I think you
Speaker 1: guys right, Like that is what is so maddening about
Speaker 1: it is because we're all like kind of just sitting
Speaker 1: here watching it happen, while people are like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: like we we do get it. We're doing something in
Speaker 1: response to this, while not doing anything in response to
Speaker 1: it and just watching the problem happen over and over
Speaker 1: again and get worse. The other thing that's maddening is
Speaker 1: like so many of these people like should have been
Speaker 1: canceled long before, right, like like like the whispers and
Speaker 1: the rooms about like Louisa kay or like you know,
Speaker 1: the when got up to blind items like you could
Speaker 1: identify like so many of these people and like you
Speaker 1: know Cosby or whoever, Like there's so many people who
Speaker 1: like the industry knows about and just protects because this money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so many people whose careers were canceled by Harvey Weinstein
Speaker 1: or louise E k like that. The number of people
Speaker 1: whose careers were canceled by them out numbers like their
Speaker 1: careers being canceled, you know, like like like you said,
Speaker 1: so hey, but you know, I gotta like you said,
Speaker 1: it's an it's an agreement of many different factor of
Speaker 1: our many different bodies and organizations to make it happen.
Speaker 1: And again just more it's it's always indicates. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: the public outcries over it aren't enough, you know, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's profitable because they're
Speaker 1: saying something gets so that the only thing that matters,
Speaker 1: So fuck it. Yeah, like why I switched, Wait what
Speaker 1: about renewables? No, that's not profitable, you funck with Keep
Speaker 1: pumping the dinosaur farts, that's right, all right. And then
Speaker 1: finally I want to talk about just pandemic themed culture
Speaker 1: pandemic content. So there was a movie that came out
Speaker 1: I think a couple of weeks ago, called Sick, written
Speaker 1: by Kevin Williamson, person who were at Screw Sam set
Speaker 1: at a secluded cabin during the early days of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I I didn't really hear that
Speaker 1: many people talking about it. There's one coming up with
Speaker 1: Adam Pally, which sounds like great, like I love an
Speaker 1: Adam Pally comedy where he's playing an obnoxious asshole. This
Speaker 1: one it's called Who Invited Charlie? And it basically seems
Speaker 1: like it's What About Bob set during the quarantine. Even
Speaker 1: the name titles like okay on Mary, What About Bob?
Speaker 1: Pretty closely Who Invited Charlie? It's just There's also Life
Speaker 1: Upside Down, a romantic comedy that was mostly filmed during
Speaker 1: lockdown with iPhones and iPads that was like, I, I
Speaker 1: didn't know about that one at all. Is this the
Speaker 1: one that with Bob Odenkirk? Yeah? And then there was Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was also a Jutt app Oh no no no.
Speaker 1: So then there was a Jutt Apatow comedy called The Bubble.
Speaker 1: I was completely unaware of. I had no idea this
Speaker 1: was a thing. Yeah, is it just isn't like when
Speaker 1: a like someone puts out an album so bad they're like,
Speaker 1: I just shut then up about that one. We don't
Speaker 1: just talk about. Yes, it came out on Netflix. Was
Speaker 1: it show bit satire about how the pandemic affected a
Speaker 1: blockbuster movie with just like tons of COVID gags that
Speaker 1: were already like kind of stale. It also had a
Speaker 1: thing where I guess they were they were joking about
Speaker 1: how like it seems like the people in charge of
Speaker 1: safety mandates are making it up on the fly. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, I was just totally unaware. There was
Speaker 1: a jut Apatow movie about how the CDC is like
Speaker 1: making up all the COVID safety measures that's appetiles drift
Speaker 1: to the right. Just like yeah, I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like all these movies seem like they you know, we
Speaker 1: talked during the pandemic, Like I said that, like it
Speaker 1: didn't seem like there was a ton of stuff that
Speaker 1: came out of the nineteen eighteen pandemic and you know,
Speaker 1: other than a novel that from Kemu that goes written
Speaker 1: by me, obviously, they came out like thirty years later,
Speaker 1: and you know, is is really great and was like
Speaker 1: kind of the best thing that I read at that
Speaker 1: time to like help me get my mind around what
Speaker 1: was happening. But I it does feel like the stuff
Speaker 1: is being made, it's just like it's not resonating, which
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it's like some mixture of it
Speaker 1: not being a fun thing to watch. No, it's stupid
Speaker 1: people in development who are opportunistic and not realizing what
Speaker 1: the real development cycle looks like. From when you're like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: green light that thing from Jodd apataw cut to two
Speaker 1: years later and I was like, what the funk is this? Right?
Speaker 1: Like it I get like a rapid response. Maybe like
Speaker 1: you're saying. At the time, I was kind of like
Speaker 1: curious about like what stuff would be out there that's
Speaker 1: reflective of like the situation I'm in. But the more
Speaker 1: we think about it, I'm like the I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: only filled with discomfort looking back on the like like
Speaker 1: in the early days and just where we're where we're
Speaker 1: at today. I think, I mean the other trend I've
Speaker 1: noticed and I mean I guess I wasn't even aware
Speaker 1: of like how much stuff was coming out about pandemic
Speaker 1: themed like stories. But I've noticed like a lot of
Speaker 1: body horror and in like films like like the Menu
Speaker 1: has something and then like that Banshees of inneration or
Speaker 1: whatever that that movie was, and and and it's like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like self mutilation or like mutilation
Speaker 1: that that that's been happening in films too, and and
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's it's it's odd to me
Speaker 1: because like I feel like all after going through that
Speaker 1: period and then and then seeing headlines like you know
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, like all I want to
Speaker 1: like being is in like spaces of like comedy or
Speaker 1: like you know, things that are joyous or like wondrous
Speaker 1: or whatever, and and like and and yet like I
Speaker 1: feel like I keep I keep tuning into comedies and
Speaker 1: then seeing this just's just Australian reaction. I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if like the you know, like when
Speaker 1: talking about World War one or something that that's easy
Speaker 1: to sort of wrap your head around, like you're saying
Speaker 1: jack because it's like war. But like I wonder if
Speaker 1: like if there is something that's even about this period
Speaker 1: that's written after the fact, if if what the if
Speaker 1: the themes are even gonna really necessarily be about COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen itself or like that it's revealed just a deeper
Speaker 1: societal sickness like that, Like but I don't know if
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we're like they're with the
Speaker 1: commentary yet, like many people are pointing out how fucked
Speaker 1: up the situation is for many people. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's like the main thing we're taking away
Speaker 1: from this. Still it's like, yeah, well I didn't get it,
Speaker 1: and I gotta like we're not really we haven't zoomed out,
Speaker 1: and like what this what what error we're really in
Speaker 1: right now? We we we went through something and like
Speaker 1: I haven't really processed it. Don't want to face the
Speaker 1: fact that we haven't really processed it. It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: that the idea of like body horror and like mutle lation,
Speaker 1: because you know, the Iraq War was also a massive
Speaker 1: cataclysmic event that we lived through that never really had
Speaker 1: its apocalypse. It never had its like on screen movie
Speaker 1: that really like broke through and everybody watched. You know,
Speaker 1: there there were some, but they weren't like blockbusters. They
Speaker 1: were not like things that were like culture defining or
Speaker 1: like hero porn, but we did have the like torture
Speaker 1: porn break like movies happened at that, like saw and
Speaker 1: stuff like, so that that's like how we dealt with
Speaker 1: it was by watching people get mutilated and slow motion.
Speaker 1: So in that sense, like right, the body horror as
Speaker 1: like metaphor for our own self inflicted. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's all like kind of just different ways
Speaker 1: that our traumas coming through to the surface and like
Speaker 1: bubbling up. See, I knew I wanted we had a
Speaker 1: story on the dock for a little while and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, nothing to say about this. I
Speaker 1: wanna I want to see what man gues has to
Speaker 1: say about this and brings springs through the heat. Hey
Speaker 1: what about that pregnancy salad? Though I think that had
Speaker 1: something to do with it too, I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: my sense. What do you think about that? Jack? I
Speaker 1: said that just now. I love it all right, still
Speaker 1: got it? This guy still got it? All right. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see it hit us with your theories on what
Speaker 1: what's happening with with if there is maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: miss maybe I missed some pandemic themed thing like I know,
Speaker 1: I know hurt the hurt Locker was in a Rock
Speaker 1: War one, So like, has there been a hurt Locker
Speaker 1: for the pandemic? Right? But is it? Like but but
Speaker 1: nothing is quite having the apocalypse now, Like there's not
Speaker 1: a film that you could say like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the Apocalypse now. I guess contain Jen was the one
Speaker 1: that but it happened ten years Yeah, maybe it was Crash.
Speaker 1: Paul Haggis is Crash. Just to come back to that, well,
Speaker 1: I think I think that one really sums up everything
Speaker 1: about the human condition. And I've always said that like
Speaker 1: that's the one that really brings it all together for me,
Speaker 1: absolutely made me want to be a better man, made
Speaker 1: me want to be ludicrous. Such a pleasure having you
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you here? You all
Speaker 1: that good stuff. Well, first of all, I miss you guys.
Speaker 1: I I really like it's it's really such a pleasure
Speaker 1: to be hang out with both of you. And so
Speaker 1: please come to New York and hang out with me. Um,
Speaker 1: you can find me at Tuesday Night Art Club. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll show up one of these Tuesday nights unannounced tak
Speaker 1: My show is Skyline Drive and so like if if
Speaker 1: people check that out, I'd be thrilled. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: on I'm on Twitter and Instagram as m Hatika there,
Speaker 1: which is not easy to spell, but it's I think
Speaker 1: the only one. Yeah, there you go. And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some of the work of media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying. Uh, it's not a tweet or work
Speaker 1: of media exactly. But I saw photos of that palace
Speaker 1: cat in the um. It's like this wildcat that's small
Speaker 1: and cute and super cuddly and and it's like called
Speaker 1: the original grumpy Cat. And they found it in Mount Everest,
Speaker 1: which they didn't think it existed in before, and so like,
Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with that recently. That's amazing. And is
Speaker 1: it still up there or that it's Yeah, no, they're
Speaker 1: They're like, there are I guess these cats all over
Speaker 1: like this region, but like very very few and far between,
Speaker 1: but they had never found them on Everest. Yeah, miles,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? And what's the work of
Speaker 1: media you've been enjoying? Yeah? Day to day find me
Speaker 1: on at Miles of Gray where there's a symbols. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll be daddy, maybe I It'll be another day or two,
Speaker 1: but hey, I'll let y'all know when that happens or else.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm my mind is from between the
Speaker 1: police violence, smash shootings, rampant inequality, you know, fucking pregnancy salads.
Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got a lot on my play.
Speaker 1: But anyway, find also Jack and I on our basketball
Speaker 1: Podcastles and Jack got mad boost these we're talking about
Speaker 1: the NBA, which is fun stuff, and then fiance. We're
Speaker 1: talking about fiance. Um a tweet. I like, let's see, oh,
Speaker 1: this is from you know, Blair baby at blair sake,
Speaker 1: just to eat it. I just like this, just as
Speaker 1: where she is in her life. Just said, tonight is
Speaker 1: my first night of adult soccer. It is gonna be
Speaker 1: humbling for me to not be good at first, as
Speaker 1: I am a lion in a titan in the sports arena.
Speaker 1: But God may no mistakes, but God makes no mistakes.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, She's like, I don't know she I was
Speaker 1: deeming her. She's like, yo, I don't know how this
Speaker 1: is gonna go. I've been played since I was ten,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's okay. Just because you were
Speaker 1: d one volleyball doesn't mean I feel like my prediction
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, yeah, perfect hat tricks. Left foot finished,
Speaker 1: right foot finished, headed goal. There you go, Son tweets,
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying. Let's see here, this is just a
Speaker 1: good one. Uh, somebody are Jones? Both of Jones Jets
Speaker 1: tweeted if no one has said this yet, I'm fairly certain.
Speaker 1: This also makes whatever number of the day is the
Speaker 1: same weekday every month. So since we're talking about dates
Speaker 1: and horoscopes, it's just a screen cap with you know,
Speaker 1: like some footage or a photo. It's a it's a meme,
Speaker 1: and it says me explaining that if we had thirteen
Speaker 1: months instead of twelve, every month would be exactly twenty
Speaker 1: eight days. The first would always be a Monday, and
Speaker 1: they would always be a Sunday. Every month would have
Speaker 1: exactly four weeks instead of four point two five seven,
Speaker 1: and we would properly align ourselves with the cycle of
Speaker 1: the moon. That was a revelation for me. I have
Speaker 1: to go back on what I said when I disagreed
Speaker 1: with Ben Boland's take that calendars are are bad. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna revise that to our calendar is bad. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we should that's what we change immediately. Uh, send you've tweeted,
Speaker 1: everyone should have a friend who has no idea what
Speaker 1: your job is and doesn't care. I think that's good advice.
Speaker 1: I have lots of those friends. Yeah, they're calling them
Speaker 1: friend in return. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Daily Zeitgeist. Were at d Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist dot com. We post our episodes and our footnotes.
Speaker 1: We link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as song that we think
Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song they'd like
Speaker 1: to leave the people with? If this is your lad Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if it is, it
Speaker 1: could be. And this is the thing. If I'm not
Speaker 1: on the recording, it doesn't mean things have gone into labor.
Speaker 1: I'm just we're managing a lot of the household, of course,
Speaker 1: And it's weird that you're like, well, what is the
Speaker 1: last song this I didn't The song is called Forbidden Fruit.
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with me. This is my
Speaker 1: last one. It just happened to be. And this is
Speaker 1: from the artists Mono Drone and it's like, uh, it
Speaker 1: feels like kind of like easy listening DJ Shadow if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know, like very sample based instrumental stuff.
Speaker 1: But like it's not like spooky. You don't feel like
Speaker 1: you're getting like followed like a like a rain. So
Speaker 1: check this out. This is Forbidden Fruit by Monol Drone.
Speaker 1: There you go, alright, well we link off to that
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Speaker 1: what's trending, and we will talk to y'all. Done, Bye bye,
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