There’s more news and less comprehension today than any historical period that didn’t involve literal witch trials, and trying to stay on top of it all can feel like playing a game of telephone with 30 people, except everyone’s speaking at the same time and like a third of them are openly racist for some reason. From Cracked co-founder Jack O’Brien, THE DAILY ZEITGEIST is stepping into that fray with some of the funniest and smartest comedic and journalistic minds around. Jack and co-host Miles Gray spend up to an hour every weekday sorting through the events and stories driving the headlines, to help you find the signal in the noise, with a few laughs thrown in for free.
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Speaker 1
There's something where that, like Girls Gone Wild was downstream
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of band from TV. I think, what's this Joe Francis,
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Maybe he actually had something to do with band from TV.
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Speaker 2
Yeah he did, Yeah, Joe fran But I do I
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do feel like Final Destination is completely downstream from Phases
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of Death.
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Speaker 3
Somebody remember the trailer for the very first Final Destination
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with I believe an actor named Devin that.
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Speaker 2
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, Oh for life. Man, Yeah, I'm
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a SA Patch kid over here. Ship right, Okay, we
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need to start. No, No, let's keep going. I gotta
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let's keep let this ride.
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Speaker 1
Oh man, everyone's talking about the lead and showgun Anna Sawa.
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Speaker 2
That's just another name.
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Speaker 1
Hey man, I'm trying to get in on fun brom
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It looks like a lot of fun over it.
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Speaker 2
Hello the Internet, and welcome the season three eighty nine,
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Episode three of Derd Diey's Guys. It's a production of
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iHeart Radio. It's a podcast where you take a deep
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dive into American share consciousness.
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Speaker 3
It is.
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Speaker 2
I'm just in a random conference room in the iHeart
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Radio HQ screaming dirt. Daily's like guys, Securities band on
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the door.
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Speaker 1
I can see them through the glass window, Sir, I
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put my back to the glass window, so I wouldn't
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like make eye contact with any corporate people. They like
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walked by, you know, they're like, who's that guy? He's
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a fighting a podcaster that works here. Damn they let
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them in this building they do.
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Speaker 2
It is Wednesday, May twenty, twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1
Oh my god, big day. It's National Juice Slush Day.
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If you like a slushyet, it's your day. Although it
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is juice slush so maybe it's like the juice. It's
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probably the unbranded because like slushy, I think is a
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brand or something. So it's like frozen flavor shit. That
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for the for the kids, Uh, Emergency Medical Services for
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Children Day, National Memo Day, National Weight Staff Day, and
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National Strawberries and Cream Day.
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Speaker 2
You need to delicious ones. I'm here for National Memo Day. Yeah,
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what a blast. We all love a good memo.
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Speaker 1
Does the memo exist anymore like formally within business, you know,
02:34
like because now like that's an email or that's like
02:37
a slack, you know what I mean? Like the idea
02:40
of like the memorandom what are you that?
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Speaker 2
Soy memorandum? Yeah? Sorry?
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Speaker 1
Memory soy random? Yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 2
I don't even know, like those templates, these little pink
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sheets that, yeah, what were the original memos?
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Speaker 3
I actually don't know.
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Speaker 1
It was just literally like a note, like a short
02:59
document again intended to inform a group of people about
03:03
a specific topic. A memo, madia note, email, or other
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record made.
03:06
Speaker 2
For Yeah, that's what I think of it as, just
03:08
like any note, yeah yeah, or like in many ways,
03:13
it's just it's all it has taken over our world,
03:16
and I'm glad it's finally getting a day that we recognize.
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They're like now I can't even buy a memo pad.
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Everybody's tweeting off all these little memos constantly all day.
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M hmmm hm. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien aka, and
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he will blame it all.
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Speaker 4
On wooder Ice swear it's not a blader leak. Make
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you two not like it's fine and wish that he
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had won some.
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Speaker 2
Depends that one's lessons here on the discord the popular
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hymn on Eagles Wings. But yes, I have probably heard
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as much as any song in the history of my life,
04:03
because Wow, every Sunday man that ship was popping standard standard,
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a standard thrilled to be joined as always by my
04:12
co host, mister Miles.
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Speaker 5
Grays aka ungrouped to day ha, hallucination.
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Speaker 1
I'm working late because I'm a singer. Okay, that's it,
04:27
panoramic view. Thank you for that, AKA, I just that's
04:30
I asked you on the discord. I asked, and I said,
04:32
what is it meant to just be grock today? Hallucination?
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I'm working late because I'm a singer. It's like, yeah,
04:38
I couldn't make the rest work. I'm sorry, I said, no,
04:40
this is perfect because.
04:41
Speaker 2
I love a simple panoramic view. Dude.
04:43
Speaker 1
Because I'm a singer is I think my favorite like
04:46
lyric in espresso.
04:47
Speaker 2
It's just like.
04:48
Speaker 1
I'm working because I'm a singer.
04:52
Speaker 2
Yeah, no.
04:55
Speaker 6
More.
04:55
Speaker 2
More musicians should just talk about how there's singersavorite songs
05:01
are those hard rock songs. They are like so fucking
05:04
hard man being on the road. Yeah, people make fun
05:07
of my long hair. You don't understand the guys say,
05:13
is that a hear a hymn the other day? Do
05:16
you know the song I'm talking about? Age?
05:19
Speaker 3
I was about to say, the echoes of the amplifier
05:22
ringing in my head?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah, smoke. The day's last cigarette, wondering what
05:27
she say? Yeah, yeah, as covered amazingly by the one
05:33
and only Metallica, and then it's a jam that Metallica
05:38
then covered.
05:38
Speaker 3
Yeah dude, Oh, I actually heard it for the first
05:41
time as a Metallica song, so I will never get
05:44
that version out of my head.
05:45
Speaker 2
It feels like they're reaching so hard to like try
05:48
and find some like hardships that they're enduring as internationally.
05:53
During rock stars, you're just like, are like and then
05:56
all these like beautiful women are fighting over you. It's
06:00
very chaotic, you know, people try and give you their drugs.
06:05
I watched their documentary Some Kind of Monster on.
06:08
Speaker 3
A yearly basis. That's probably my favorite music documentary of
06:11
all time.
06:11
Speaker 1
You think James Headfield is like, man, we need a
06:13
song about fucking hard it is to be Metallica.
06:16
Speaker 2
Man, if you don't fucking know and you don't know,
06:19
man can't move to vail.
06:22
Speaker 1
They're like, they're like, fuck it, man, did another artist
06:25
write about how hard it is being a rock star?
06:27
Speaker 2
Right, we'll just cover that. I espresso just being like Kauz,
06:30
I'm a singer, Yeah exactly. I'm working late because I'm
06:34
a singer. Okay, what else hard?
06:38
Speaker 3
Yeah, you just want to just want to hunt some
06:40
elk and drive your whatever the rocket the powered card
06:44
thing that is that he drives. I know way too
06:45
much about that band, So we could just do a podcast.
06:48
Speaker 2
Who had a rocket powered car? James Hetfield.
06:51
Speaker 3
It's in some kind of monster He gets pulled over
06:53
by a cop and then the cop recognizes him and
06:55
it's a whole thing, and he like has this moment
06:57
where he's like, what do I expect?
06:59
Speaker 2
Is it?
06:59
Speaker 1
Like?
07:00
Speaker 3
I ride this thing? And because I don't want to
07:02
be noticed. It's like.
07:06
Speaker 2
It's kind of amazing. It's like I think I'm a narcissist.
07:12
Speaker 3
And then they cut to Lars just like on the
07:14
couch is talking about his paintings.
07:16
Speaker 2
Yeah, Miles, that's third voice. One of our feudis an actor,
07:23
voiceover artist, musician who stars in the certified fresh Hulu
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series Deli Boys. Also it has a good Metacritics score.
07:31
We're a Metacritic podcast here. You've seen him as Ausie
07:34
and the film Aftermath on Netflix. He's been nominated for
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an Ambi and Webby as a podcaster. He's a world
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renowned rock guitarist. You know his face from Mortal Kombat.
07:44
Please welcome back to the show. Shot Ja Hon Kong.
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Speaker 3
Coming to you live from the shores of Boston, Massachusetts.
07:53
A right as planes fly overhead. Yeah, shout out logan. Yeah,
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I'm looking at it.
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Speaker 1
Here it is there is there Isn't there like a
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pyramid shaped hotel in Boston somewhere like on the heart
08:05
Is there.
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Speaker 2
A peer There's a like a wacky formerly known as
08:08
when Encore casino. There's a very orientalist Dodge Mahall type
08:14
situation casino. Oh, I don't know that there's a pyramid
08:18
shaped hotel. There's a there's an iconic harbor hotel in Boston.
08:23
I think I know what you're talking about.
08:25
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's Oh it's the Regency Boston, and.
08:30
Speaker 2
It's got that big like the one that's on the
08:32
the one that's on Logan. It's on the water yeah,
08:35
Logan Campus. Yeah.
08:37
Speaker 3
Yeah, maybe any Boston people are going to probably be
08:39
thinking that I don't know the hell I'm talking about.
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Speaker 5
I just remember when I was when I'm talking about
08:43
the one with a big arch in it and then
08:44
like a little Taj Mahall type thing on the like
08:47
a little bit that's that's that's the casino.
08:50
Speaker 3
That's the Encore casino that I was talking about. There
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is also a hotel.
08:54
Speaker 1
I'm talking about this thing.
08:56
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, of course it's on the fucking child dude.
09:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly, of course, because that's like the.
09:06
Speaker 2
Only situation you should have You should have said the
09:08
double step laddery pyramid.
09:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, sorry, I should have said a Mesopotamian rectangular structure.
09:18
Speaker 3
Right, Yeah, that that I would have read that ignorance.
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And my father went to m I T right down
09:24
the road from that. So I'm an embarrassedment not only
09:26
to my city, but my family to super Flex. My
09:32
dad worked for Kodak.
09:34
Speaker 2
Yeah that's right. Ever heard of it anymore? Because they
09:39
invented the digital camera and then kind of fund themselves.
09:43
Speaker 1
They kind of yea, they sort of skyped themselves out
09:46
of the game.
09:47
Speaker 3
Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe he lost his pension. Moving on.
09:50
Speaker 2
Oh no, have you been? It sounds sounds like busy, Ben,
09:55
I've been.
09:55
Speaker 3
Okay, man, I've been. Uh, you know, I'm sure we'll
09:58
get into how we're all really doing. But yeah, Fortunately,
10:02
the last few years from a career standpoint, have been
10:05
a dream come true in many ways. I'm doing a
10:07
lot of things I always wanted to do. I'm very
10:10
much still a struggling artist, and I'm yeah, I'm alive man.
10:16
Speaker 2
Yeah, hey, there it is. That's what we need. Some
10:19
people don't understand how hard it is to be a
10:21
struggling are they really out here on?
10:23
Speaker 3
They should really refer to this song Turn the Page
10:26
by Bob Seeker slash Metallica to really understand.
10:29
Speaker 2
You're like in first class and everyone's looking at you
10:32
because they're like, I know, I recognize them from somewhere,
10:35
and you're like, yeah, but do they like recognize me, like,
10:38
do they actually first see me? I mean scrounging for
10:41
peanuts in first class?
10:44
Speaker 7
Yees?
10:44
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah that's what I meant. Yeah, I'm still chewing
10:49
the ice. I've never been first I have been one
10:53
in the once in my entire life. My family got
10:57
upgraded to business class on the trip to Pakistan back
11:00
when what a British Airways still flew to Pakistan.
11:04
Speaker 3
But I have never never flown first class ever. I'm
11:08
not saying I won't, so, I mean, if anybody wants
11:09
to hook that up like I'm down, I mean, but
11:11
surely you're hiring them from succession man. Yeah, got he's
11:15
got its first file. First, it wasn't that I lied
11:18
and said I was a New York local and you know,
11:20
packed for days of a day of work and realized
11:23
that I was going to be there for a week,
11:24
and then basically had one pair of socks and had
11:26
to like it was yeah, oh.
11:27
Speaker 2
Did you have to? Oh?
11:28
Speaker 1
Were they only casting like New York locals for that?
11:31
Speaker 3
And You're like, yeah, it was my first job that
11:34
my manage I had booked. I'd done these this film
11:37
Aftermath in twenty twenty one. Uh, and then I did
11:40
this like Lifetime Murder Mystery. Those are my two things
11:43
where I actually got lines and stuff. And then after that,
11:46
my local Boston agent we were like, yeah, maybe we
11:49
should try to get a manager. I was like, so
11:50
how do I do that? Do I just like ask
11:51
other actors like, hey, can I have your manager? It
11:54
didn't really work.
11:55
Speaker 1
So they're like, well, if you don't look like me, Yeah,
11:58
that's what happens when you ask other people like, hey,
12:00
how's your manager, and like, well, they're kind of you know,
12:02
we would kind of be going out for the same stuff,
12:04
so maybe fuck off.
12:06
Speaker 2
You know, we already got a couple of Pakistanis, so
12:08
the quota has been filled, maybe we could move, but yeah,
12:11
I started. I was then connected to my awesome manager,
12:14
Melissa Young, and you know, the first job we booked
12:18
was this character lean on Succession, supposed to be party
12:21
guest number four. You never know what these coasts and
12:24
it's my first ever TV booking. You never know what
12:25
these co star roles. I literally got the email. I
12:30
just jumped in my car and started driving. I was like, yeah,
12:32
it's like one line, it'll be like a day team.
12:35
I got there and she was like no, No. On the
12:36
way she's like, yeah, it's a five day booking. I
12:38
was like, oh okay.
12:40
Speaker 3
And then in the email somewhere it was something about
12:42
a green room and I was like, yeah, that means
12:43
like we're all the background actors sit together and you know,
12:46
like we just chill. And I got there first day
12:49
and it was like no, no, you have your own
12:50
hotel room with the cast is on the same floor
12:53
as you and I then from there just my mind
12:56
has continued to be blown. Everybody was super cool, but
12:59
I literally, dude, I packed for two days. I had
13:00
two pairs of boxers, two pairs of socks. I didn't
13:04
have enough clothes, so I like wore the bathrobe like
13:08
in the room. I like, people like, why don't we
13:12
just even go to Target and like buy other stuff.
13:15
I was like, you don't understand, like I was trying
13:16
to save money, dude, Yeah, I so it was. It
13:20
was a wild oh and I put one of the
13:22
dirty socks. I'm not told the story publicly, so here
13:26
we go. I put one of my dirty socks, like
13:28
to air it out, like I opened the window in
13:31
the room everything, and then the sock fell like it was.
13:38
Speaker 2
A while still there. It's probably the still always air.
13:45
What do you mean I always leave my shoes outside too, Yeah,
13:47
because I.
13:48
Speaker 3
Just do it. I got a foot sweat thing. It's like, yeah,
13:51
said thank you jack.
13:56
Speaker 2
Swat have clear like you know, I have very formative
14:00
memories from you know, basketball camp when I was ten
14:04
eleven and just everybody on the entire dorm floor that
14:08
I was staying with being like what the fuck is
14:11
that smell? And then like just dirty figure out it
14:15
was me and you.
14:16
Speaker 3
Just trigged to memory someone before I dropped out of
14:19
calls the first time. I'm a trifecta of a dropout.
14:23
A girl I think her name was Anya. She once
14:25
entered me in my poor roommate.
14:27
Speaker 2
Darren's room, was like, Hey, your guy's room always smells
14:29
like dirty socks?
14:31
Speaker 3
What's up with that?
14:31
Speaker 2
Is that? What is that? Yeah?
14:35
Speaker 3
Are you an arm and hammer foot powder user?
14:37
Speaker 2
Oh?
14:38
Speaker 3
Yeah, travel size you know what I'm talking about?
14:39
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, of course, no way, guys are both the
14:44
same person.
14:45
Speaker 2
Like, yeah, you know either the army. Yeah, it's a
14:48
very specific thing. Yeah, I know, overpacked socks. So like
14:53
as you were talking about like having that experience, I
14:56
was like sweating panic. Who's the wrapper from Ribs?
15:00
Speaker 4
Who?
15:00
Speaker 3
Was like, you know what, I got famous so that
15:02
I could wear a new pair of socks every day?
15:05
Speaker 2
Oh that?
15:06
Speaker 3
Do you remember this episode? No?
15:07
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean it feels like a very Cribs thing. Yeah,
15:11
I mean Redman is the most memorable one, but I
15:14
don't know, but he would.
15:15
Speaker 2
Yeah, he's just got frozen pizzas and stuff, and he's
15:19
like playing against sixty four on the couch. Sleep all right,
15:26
cha Jaham. We're gonna get to know you a little
15:28
bit better in a moment. First, a couple of the
15:30
stories we're talking about. We're gonna I'm hearing more and
15:32
more about this AI stuff. Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna
15:36
look at yeah good, really good. It seems like everybody's
15:43
doing positive.
15:44
Speaker 5
Seems like you better step your game up. Gray, that's
15:49
that we talk about this. You can't even apply some pressure.
15:54
It's it just it feels like everybody is going to
15:58
our at least bad managers are going to overextend on
16:01
this and it's break whatever product they sell to people.
16:05
Speaker 2
But now we have but now we have proof. Yeah,
16:08
now we have proof, and we have an example of
16:10
like how they're going to back out of it and
16:12
they hate a surprise surprise. It's bad for us, bad
16:17
for all people. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk
16:19
about the Democratic Party. We'll talk about some facial recognition
16:23
cameras technology being used in New Orleans, just a fucking
16:28
dragnet of like terminator heads up displays in New Orleans.
16:33
Some staffing cuts that are actually killing people, some of
16:38
those Trump staffing cuts that are killing people via a tornado,
16:42
the most dramatic way someone can be killed, I feel like.
16:46
And maybe we'll talk about that new Jurassic World trailer
16:50
and Sesame Street all that anymore, probably we're not getting
16:54
all that with you. But before we get to that,
16:57
shah Jahan, we do like to ask our guests, what
17:00
is something from your search history that's revealing about who
17:04
you are?
17:05
Speaker 3
The last thing that I in my search history was
17:08
the benefits of freezing one's credit. I recently got kicked
17:13
off of my student loan repayment program, and yeah, I
17:16
just went down this rabbit hole of what the fuck
17:18
am I going to do? So yeah, I mean I
17:21
would there's many more interesting things about me.
17:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, but that's what I've just one of my
17:25
top fears right now. God, wait, so how did you
17:28
get kicked off? The dude? It was the worst possible
17:32
sequence of events. So this year, because these assholes are
17:34
trying to get rid of all these income based repayment programs.
17:38
Right before they announced this, it turned out last year
17:41
was the first year that my wife and I filed
17:42
our taxes together, and I screwed myself by doing that
17:46
because I made whatever a fraction, oh they consider is
17:50
too much to let you know. So then I basically
17:52
got kicked off. And that was right at the time
17:55
where they froze the whole system, so I couldn't get
17:57
back on to like try to amend did and stuff,
18:00
and so we're basically just I went into forbearans like
18:04
millions of other you know, borers, and we're just kind
18:07
of waiting to see what happens next year. But it's
18:09
it's not looking good.
18:10
Speaker 3
You know. I was looking I mean, I was, as
18:11
I said, I'm an artist. I was making the minimum payment,
18:13
so I was I hadn't missed a payment in ten
18:16
twelve years. If I if the IDR program still exists
18:20
next year, technically I could go back on it, I think,
18:23
and they wouldn't. I could pick up where I left off.
18:26
But you know, it's all up in the air, like right, really,
18:29
who knows, Yeah, it's gonna happen like this somehow.
18:32
Speaker 1
The Trumpian solution is like some goon friend of his
18:35
with like a debt consolidation companies, You want me.
18:37
Speaker 2
To handle all these and he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
18:40
I get private. Yeah.
18:41
Speaker 3
So that's why that was in my my search history.
18:43
Speaker 1
I don't know what.
18:44
Speaker 3
Then went to freezing credit and unfreezing credit. Yeah, I
18:46
just was going down down the path of doom.
18:50
Speaker 1
And if it does fuck my credit up, how do
18:51
I freeze my credit?
18:53
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. I see that. I see that path. It's
18:56
it's a cool content and cloning myself.
18:59
Speaker 3
To steal my own identity and interesting.
19:03
Speaker 2
Now you're thinking outside Trump America, baby, yeah exactly. Yeah.
19:06
It's like you made payments on time for twelve years
19:10
and they're like, well, that's not how you get ahead
19:12
in this country. You've got to come up with some
19:15
weird it doesn't mean yeah.
19:19
Speaker 1
To force them toursue you and then use your dad's
19:21
lawyer to just string them along for years till they
19:24
give up.
19:24
Speaker 3
That's real. That's how you do it.
19:26
Speaker 2
What's something you think is underrated? Oh?
19:29
Speaker 3
Boy, Bob Dylan.
19:32
Speaker 2
Bob Dylan's underrated?
19:33
Speaker 3
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's just a I don't know. I
19:36
don't know what it is about about mister Dylan.
19:38
Speaker 2
I don't know what.
19:39
Speaker 3
It doesn't do it for me.
19:42
Speaker 1
Overrated. You're giving Dylan over sorry, underrated? Oh crap, crap, crap,
19:48
just that the feeling of that was so nice.
19:50
Speaker 3
I I don't know what it is about him.
19:52
Speaker 2
I just mister underrated, you know.
19:55
Speaker 6
Oh no, no, oh, sorry, over I got ship. I
20:00
don't know what it is about this asshole that I hate. Wait,
20:05
so okay, then let's do with Dylan. Dylan's overrated.
20:08
Speaker 2
Dylan is overrated?
20:09
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I feel like so. I'm
20:13
obviously a musician too. I've longest people maybe possibly maybe
20:18
possibly know me. I started this band twenty years ago
20:20
called The Kamina as an American Muslim punk rock band.
20:23
Now I play in this Providence garage act called Rubbie Chby.
20:27
I tour with a New York based artist, Sonny Singh.
20:30
I just I basically just invite myself into other people's
20:33
bands now, and you know, if they're like, I got
20:35
to you know, so.
20:36
Speaker 2
I don't know.
20:36
Speaker 3
I just feel like Bob Dylan, You're supposed to like him,
20:40
and I feel like I should. There's one song that
20:41
I'm that I'm down with, Desolation Row, but mostly me
20:45
and my wife just imitate his voice as if he
20:48
was singing other songs like around the House.
20:56
Speaker 2
By the Way, Desolately. I am a bit of a
20:59
I do like Dylan, and the Desolation Row is the
21:01
most like indulgent Dylan song where he just like goes
21:06
on and on and on like with the most random
21:08
literary illusions.
21:10
Speaker 3
One of my many jobs as I was dropping in
21:13
and out of college, was. I was a security guard
21:15
as my dad was working at Kodak in the building
21:18
that he was working in. I got I mentioned, I
21:20
got sober. I got fired from that job for stealing alcohol.
21:23
Speaker 2
Hell yeah at the building. I'm not the Koda. It
21:27
was like Lowell.
21:28
Speaker 3
It was one of these like.
21:29
Speaker 1
Corporate Yeah you know that Kodak alcohol. You know that
21:38
Kodak High Life. Yeah, yeah, pay of film.
21:40
Speaker 2
I think those are just film developing chemicals. One of
21:44
the things you had to do there was a couple
21:45
of campuses. As a security guard.
21:46
Speaker 3
You have to like do tours of the campus and
21:48
like you have these little things a little like media
21:50
and you have to just kind of like tap the
21:52
like wand to like let your superiors know that you've
21:55
actually done your job. Uh. And one of the places
21:59
I had to work was in this town called Endover,
22:01
and in that and the titles like two thousand and over,
22:04
two thousand and four or five, maybe there was like
22:06
a computer with like MP three's that you could just
22:10
just get high and like listen to this music and
22:12
then occasionally do my job. But one of those songs
22:15
was Desolation Row and I remember because it was like
22:17
eight or nine minutes long, and for some reason, I
22:20
just my life was also kind of desolate, to be
22:22
honest at the time, so I was also trying to
22:25
maybe be like, yeah, things are tough, you know, right,
22:29
comfortable middle class suburban life. I'm still living with my
22:32
parents and yeah, yeah, but I understand you, Bob Dylan,
22:36
I get it. I get it.
22:37
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's a it's a long one, and like it
22:40
just keeps being like new, like famous iconic fictional characters
22:47
keep showing up, and he's like, and incomes Romeo and
22:50
then here comes Cinderella. Wait, that's the fucking song. It's
22:55
like it's long, and the Hunchback and the Tredame it
23:00
shows up in the pipe.
23:04
Speaker 3
Like that.
23:06
Speaker 2
But I'll give him that one. Nice, you get one, Dylan, Yeah,
23:10
you get one. Yeah.
23:11
Speaker 3
I'm assuming the esteemed, you know, music critic that I
23:14
am very well respected across you know, the world.
23:17
Speaker 2
I also invite myself into a lot of people's bands,
23:20
and nobody has welcomed me in because I don't play
23:25
an instrument. So I would just say that it's it
23:27
sounds like, uh, you're a pretty good musician and well Jack.
23:32
Speaker 3
Based on your your foot care alone, like I think
23:34
i'd take you on tour. Yeah, I could do the pedals.
23:39
Speaker 2
I feel like people who are good musicians generally are
23:42
like this guy, Like I remember hearing the Blues Travelers
23:46
guy who's like, I guess one of the great harmonica players. Yeah,
23:50
John Popper was like yeah, but like the worst fucking
23:55
the worst harmonica player in the world. I feel like
23:58
he's like kind of an affront to like musicians in
24:01
many ways. Yeah, there's like a big N plus one
24:04
essay about how Bob Dylan sucks shit like that, and
24:09
they like compared him to Radiohead, and they're like Radiohead
24:12
uses sounds to make meaning like a musician would, whereas
24:18
Bob Dylan is just like writing words that sounds smart.
24:23
It was a pretty definitive takedown, but I still I
24:26
still fucks with him, but he I feel like he
24:29
got away with a whole hell of a lot. You
24:32
can like go back and read reviews of his albums
24:34
from the seventies and man, they're just like doing there
24:39
sweating to like make his shit sound like it's the
24:42
neck that like, and this song clearly about Vietnam and
24:48
it's making interesting points, and it's like he's like just
24:53
mad at an ex girlfriend and calling her an idiot
24:55
over and over again.
24:57
Speaker 3
What are you talking about?
25:00
Speaker 2
But what's something you think is underrated?
25:02
Speaker 3
Let me actually answer it correctly this time. I'm gonna
25:05
go with the band Corn. Okay, I think the band
25:09
Corn is underrated. I got into them a little bit
25:11
late in life. And what I say late in life,
25:13
I literally mean a couple of years ago, like wow,
25:17
in high school, like it was like, yeah, you can't
25:19
listen to that shit. But I think their twenty twenty
25:21
two record is a masterpiece. I will say that ply wow.
25:24
Wait their album from three, I haven't day Wow.
25:28
Speaker 2
I'm not saying everything they've done is great. I'm not
25:31
saying they're great people. Let me emphasize, I'm not saying
25:34
they're great people. You don't like Christian fundamentalism.
25:37
Speaker 3
Their music is underrated, right, I've never had a pleasure
25:41
or misfortunate just.
25:42
Speaker 1
A guitarist that way Christian?
25:44
Speaker 2
Right, it was it. Jonathan also Davis also like, oh
25:47
I don't I'm not sure I should be watching Head
25:50
with some headwar fans might know is a Head or
25:54
Head or Monkey?
25:54
Speaker 3
They're the two guitar.
25:55
Speaker 2
Yeah, there's Head and there's Monkey.
25:57
Speaker 3
I was watching this super guitar NERD show called a
26:00
Mere Guitar rig Rundown with they have all them and
26:04
then they have field Y the bassist, and I think
26:07
that and the Deft Tones are probably my two favorite
26:10
rig Rundown episodes because field is like yeah, so like
26:13
or no, maybe it was head. He was like so,
26:15
like I'm not good but like people, but it's like cool,
26:20
it's fine. And then with Deftones Steph Carpenter, Like the
26:24
host of the show is this guy John Bolinger. He's
26:26
adorable and he's like, hey, man, like, just tell me
26:29
about all your stuff. And he's like, yo, listen, and
26:32
he's like, you know, why do you have all these
26:34
what is your guitar? Like, he's like, listen, I just
26:36
got Louis Vuitton on my guitar because I think it
26:39
looks like like like that's basically why.
26:42
Speaker 1
I wish I could give you an answer that was
26:44
deeper than a sixth grader.
26:46
Speaker 2
We'll tell you. Man is so disappointed because he's used
26:49
to people being like yeah, like well.
26:52
Speaker 1
Like French colonial concept of luxury around in a French
26:56
colonial context and you're like, oh wow.
26:58
Speaker 2
Interesting corn. Yeah, they're definitely like I dismissed them out
27:05
of hand for for no good reason. I'm sure in
27:08
my when they were first out and then but then
27:12
like I've heard I think I've heard like isolated vocals
27:15
of like their singer doing like his like weird like
27:19
sanding thing. Damn, this guy is like doing like something
27:24
is coming through him from another world. You know, It's
27:27
like there is there is a gift there that is
27:31
like kind of impressive and kind of remarkable.
27:34
Speaker 1
Yeah, I just I would. I think I was only
27:37
like in a vacuum. It was just the follow the
27:39
Leader era when you know, like at the height of
27:41
their powers. That at the time, I was like, bro,
27:43
Corn is for like the white kids whose parents got
27:45
divorced in first grade, and like it wasn't quite connected
27:49
with me. And then my parents got divorced, and then
27:51
I was like, you were like you know, and I.
27:54
Speaker 2
Was like, yeah, aren't really notes, man, They're just so yeah,
28:01
oh wow, God hates me.
28:03
Speaker 1
Yeah, let's fucking go. Their unplugged album is pretty wild.
28:09
It has a they didn't unplugged. They didn't Oh my god,
28:13
it's ridiculous. From Amy whatever name is, from Evan Essence, it's.
28:18
Speaker 3
Pretty Oh my goodness, I didn't even mention that thank you, Miles.
28:24
Speaker 2
I was too busy listening to On Eagle's Wings and
28:27
following the leader thank you. Yeah, as as they instructed
28:32
in the title of their album, thank You, thank You,
28:35
light years ahead of their time, that's right, let's take
28:37
a quick break. We'll be right back. And we're back.
28:50
We're back, and man, so what do you think of
28:54
this AI stuff? I do, Like, I had conversations with
28:58
people that's past the past couple of weeks, just like
29:01
people who like work for like big corporations, and I'm
29:06
just like, so, what do you think of this like
29:08
AI stuff? And they're all, I don't know, a little mystified,
29:13
but they're like, yeah, it's definitely like a tool that
29:16
we're all going to have to learn how to use,
29:18
and it might replace all of our jobs in the
29:20
next like six months.
29:22
Speaker 3
I feel like here in Boston, right outside of before
29:25
you get onto, uh the entrance ramp to Logan Airport,
29:28
there's this giant billboard which says stop hiring humans. It's
29:32
this company.
29:33
Speaker 1
I forget that, I forget the company I've seen before weeks. Dude, Yeah, yeah,
29:39
it's I think we should be setting fire to those signs.
29:43
Speaker 2
Basically that sounds like an attack on me. The work sucks,
29:48
So that's the other thing to take where it sucks
29:51
and people hate it.
29:52
Speaker 1
So how do how do how do I benefit from
29:55
all the productivity from the machines? There is that in
29:58
your plan or no going up to the C suite?
30:01
But yeah, I have the same thing too, where like
30:02
people ask them like, hey man, you talk about then,
30:05
like what do you think AI? And they do it
30:07
in a way that's like they don't know where you're at,
30:10
and they don't even know where they're at on AI, Yeah,
30:12
and just basically going like I don't know. It's like exactly, dude,
30:16
they're making me use it at work and I don't
30:18
fucking like it does ship, But I don't know what anyway.
30:21
Speaker 2
So the one thing I've heard that is that seems
30:24
good to me, like it seems like a good tool
30:27
is somebody who's like we did like a series of
30:29
interviews with like clients, and they I transcribed it and
30:35
then like synthesized it and like put it all in
30:38
a database that we could like I don't know, like
30:41
learn from and like access much easier than before. Yeah,
30:44
sounds like I mean a tool, a tool that you Yeah, exactly,
30:46
it sounds like a tool. It's like, yeah that that okay,
30:50
that's cool.
30:50
Speaker 3
That's like the direction that you know, one positive about
30:54
it is like war, right, you know.
30:56
Speaker 2
Well, and it's also gonna make our bombs really smart. Yeah,
31:00
I know, we all thought they were smart before, but
31:02
now it's gonna be go directly up the enemy's asshole?
31:08
Is how Yeah, precise, it's going to be. No, it's
31:12
it just yeah, it's a tool. That's like I don't know,
31:14
if somebody told me that a computer program could do that,
31:18
I'd be like, oh, that's a cool tool. That is
31:20
about what I would expect technology to be doing. Yeah.
31:22
But like all of the over promising of AI is
31:26
like invading the C suite, And now they're like, so
31:28
we don't need people anymore, right, yeah exactly.
31:31
Speaker 1
And now we're at a point where finally, the reason
31:33
we're talking about this is because now we're getting more
31:36
and more groans from the companies that said, yeah, fuck people, man,
31:39
we're all this automation.
31:40
Speaker 2
Shit sounds fucking dope.
31:42
Speaker 1
That company Klarna, the buy now, pay later service, they
31:46
were huge on replacing human beings with AI so much
31:49
so they completely stopped hiring humans too. You seeing that billboard, Yeah,
31:54
the one No, I don't know, No, I mean this
31:57
is the buy now, pay later service, So maybe maybe
31:59
this CEO did see it.
32:01
Speaker 2
But then this is from Vice. Quote.
32:03
Speaker 1
By twenty twenty four, it had partnered with Open AI,
32:06
slashed customer service and marketing departments, and publicly declared that
32:09
quote AI can already do all of the jobs that
32:12
we as humans do, according to their CEO, And then
32:15
they're like, all right after, like, we saved ten million
32:18
dollars because AI can now handle things like making images,
32:22
translation data analysis, and customer service. But yeah, we like
32:29
customer service, like that thing where being a human and
32:31
having like empathy like helps that experience.
32:35
Speaker 2
Right, that's the same customer service we're talking about here,
32:38
So real quick on those first few things, making images, translation,
32:42
data analysis, who's telling the AI what images to make
32:47
and like what data to analyze and then trying to
32:50
get me to a gotcha thing?
32:52
Speaker 3
Definitely all benevolent actors. Absolutely.
32:55
Speaker 1
I know you want me to say human beings, Jack,
32:58
but actually they installed AI overseer as they over.
33:02
Speaker 2
That grim Off Tarkin overseer AI.
33:07
Speaker 1
It's a really problematic name, but hey, they keep the
33:10
other ais in check. Well, now the CEO is realizing
33:13
people fucking wow hate dealing with automated customer service and
33:18
that's like one of like I feel like we need
33:19
to add like a new truth. It's like death taxes
33:22
and we hate fucking automated customer service prompts, like every
33:26
time you talk to a human human representative, that's like ALLSOM,
33:34
that's every call with an automated customer service agent.
33:40
Speaker 2
So the CEO goes to my mind again a grocer
33:45
at the grocery store. Dude, I'm like, I'll I will
33:48
have every like I'll be psyched to like scan the
33:52
ship myself, but inevitably I'm gonna suck it up and
33:54
then I'll be I'll be the person with the blinking
33:56
you know. Oh yeah, man.
33:58
Speaker 3
That's so frustrating when you are trying to buy like
34:01
it and then you fuck it up.
34:02
Speaker 1
I did that with a box of diapers the other day,
34:05
and well you scan the wrong a barcode and I go,
34:08
what the fuck do you barcodes? Yeah, I'm like, I
34:12
bricked the system by scanning it like it's this one.
34:15
I'm like, how the fuck should I know that this
34:17
is the biggest barcode on the fucking box and you're
34:20
telling me this one is the one that shuts down
34:22
your fucking checkout system.
34:23
Speaker 2
Anyway, You're going to hear about this in your employee
34:27
review at Rapp's this coming quarter end of quarter. I know,
34:32
I know, I know.
34:33
Speaker 1
So now the CEO has had to basically admit that
34:36
this was a huge l and they have to hire
34:39
human beings again. Quote this is from their CEO.
34:42
Speaker 3
Uh.
34:42
Speaker 2
From a brand perspective, a company perspective.
34:45
Speaker 1
I just think it's so critical that you are clear
34:47
to your customer that there will always be a human
34:50
if you want. Uh. Cost unfortunately, seems to have been
34:53
a two predominant evaluation factor, and what you end up
34:58
having is lower quality.
35:01
Speaker 3
The option thing is interesting to me. So this is
35:03
something I was specifically thinking about this week because so
35:05
one of the things that I do, which I don't
35:07
know how long is going to be a career, is
35:08
narrate audiobooks, And just last week Audible, for example, announced
35:13
that they're going to have an AI option for publishers
35:16
as well as you know, you can hire me like
35:19
another charactor. Yeah, and obviously like, dude, look, I understand
35:22
if like some an indie author you know, doesn't have
35:26
the money to like fork over, to like hire me
35:29
or hire a whole studio to do shit. And I
35:32
definitely lost one of my largest voiceover clients, who shall
35:35
remain nameless this year. I'm pretty sure because of AI.
35:38
I'd been doing stuff for them for a couple of
35:40
years and then I no one even reached out to me,
35:43
and then they stopped responding to my emails, and then
35:45
I know that the stuff is still being made. So
35:48
and even with my Mortal Kombat stuff, like even though
35:51
that all happened, I would say three four years ago,
35:54
a couple of years before. This discussion was maybe more
35:56
in the in the public consciousness, you know, before the
35:59
strike and stuff. So yeah, man, I don't know. I
36:02
don't know where all the shit's going.
36:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's it's hard to know.
36:06
Speaker 1
And like with this, right, they're always like, no, I
36:07
don't replace things like customer service. Then they try it
36:10
and they're like, a shit, that was bad our customers
36:12
fucking hate us. It's actually affecting our business negatively.
36:15
Speaker 2
And if I want to hear the like positive use
36:18
like zeitgang. Anybody listening, like just hit me with like
36:22
the the examples where like somebody's given something to AI
36:26
and it's like created something that was like good other
36:30
than I mean, we've talked about like some scientific breakthroughs
36:32
like the you know, decoding the shape of proteins of proteins,
36:37
like that stuff is great, But I'm talking more about
36:40
the stuff that they we keep hearing them try to
36:43
do where it like replaces a whole workforce and that
36:47
there's not like a noticeable drop in quality. It just
36:50
feels like it never happens.
36:51
Speaker 1
I know people who have to use it at work
36:53
and they say, like the latest chat GPT is like
36:56
a fucking it's like worse and they hate it, and yeah,
36:59
yeah they had to they had to be like take
37:01
it back and be like, oh, oh yeah, I think
37:04
it all depends on what you do, because like I think,
37:07
I always bring it up, like people who I know
37:08
in grant writing, they're like, I fucking thank God for
37:11
this because like I hate grant writing and and just
37:14
get into a bulk of already the work I have
37:16
to do as a great like in char of what
37:18
I do at a nonprofit, but like it has now
37:21
freed me up.
37:21
Speaker 2
To do other things anyway. As a tool.
37:23
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm saying. It's a tool, and
37:26
I think that's where you see the use cases. You're like,
37:28
as a tool, not as a replacement for a human being.
37:32
So now Klarna is fucking rehiring human beings, but not
37:35
as employees like they once had. They are now hiring
37:38
people as remote gig workers, so they're not like so
37:42
that way they can handle customer service calls from wherever
37:44
they're at. And also they don't get any benefits or
37:47
the job stability of having like full time employment because
37:49
they're like, you know, you guys are gig workers, and
37:51
now we found a thing that kind of you know,
37:54
threads the needle. So this seems to be like a
37:56
trend across business. Now people get hype for AI and
38:00
then immediately regret it because it's not actually intelligent at all,
38:02
and they're like, this thing's a fucking teddy ruckspin that
38:05
does memes essentially, and I can't do anything for my business.
38:09
This is another thing from a Carnegie Mellon study found
38:12
over half of UK business leaders who rush to replace
38:14
human jobs with AI say they now regret it.
38:17
Speaker 2
They said.
38:17
Speaker 1
They found that the study found that even the best
38:20
AI workers could only complete about a quarter of basic tasks.
38:24
So again I don't like it. It's really in these
38:28
narrow fields where unfortunately, like voiceover and things like that,
38:32
they found a way to just like plug shit in
38:34
because there's now you there are so many like zombie
38:37
YouTube channels that they're just getting. Yeah, they just put
38:41
together bodycam footage from police and they'd be like on
38:45
and it's just like on October fourteenth, twenty twenty four,
38:47
the park Linds and just shows you bodycam footage a
38:51
little bit of commentary. It's the most obvious AI voice shit,
38:55
And I don't know like it. People are kind of
38:58
like I don't know, I yes, this is fine.
39:00
Speaker 3
The ones I keep seeing are like the like cooking,
39:02
this is whatever, it's my algorithm or something, but like cooking,
39:05
like this is the greatest recipe ever. Just take three eggs,
39:10
a piece of broccoli and some rappercorn, you know, like
39:14
that kind of show.
39:15
Speaker 2
That you have three egg broccoli peppercorn. Oh thanks, a
39:19
wonderful dish.
39:21
Speaker 1
But yeah, I mean I think that's the thing that's
39:22
freaky now about AI with this sort of Klarna example,
39:26
and other companies that are doing the thing where like
39:28
they fire their actual employees, take a swing on AI,
39:31
and then they're like, fuck.
39:32
Speaker 2
It, We'll bring people back as gig workers.
39:35
Speaker 1
And now we're actually saving money on benefits because we're
39:38
not having to provide any for these people.
39:41
Speaker 2
And I'm like, yeah, maybe.
39:42
Speaker 1
That's maybe that's at the moment, that seems like the
39:44
biggest threat too in a lot of in a more
39:46
pronounced way, is full time employment.
39:48
Speaker 2
Anything that happens at this stage, at this late stage capitalism.
39:53
Under this late stage capitalism, like structure, anything that happens,
39:57
whether it be pandemic, whether it be war, whether it
40:01
be you know, change who whatever the changes and presidency,
40:05
it's always an excuse to fuck people, like fuck you know,
40:09
fuck over employees and funnel money upward. So like you know,
40:14
line go up and stock prices go up, they will
40:18
use that money to do stock buybacks. Line go down,
40:23
They fire employees and like nobody in the c suite
40:27
gets touched AI. You know, they overstretch on AI, they
40:31
overestimate what it's able to do. They fire all the employees,
40:35
and then they're like, oops, are bad they hire them
40:38
back at like worse. It's just it's going it's an
40:41
inevitability because workers are just completely unprotected under this system, right,
40:45
and it's just going to keep happening until there's like
40:47
massive structural change that doesn't even seem like it's in
40:52
the conversation to happen right now unfortunately. So, yeah, it
40:57
feels like AI and everything is just going to be
41:00
an excuse to continue to make life worse in America
41:06
for the vast, vast majority of people.
41:08
Speaker 1
It's also wild too, because I remember when they were
41:10
first talking about They're like, man, like the possibilities with automation.
41:14
Now we've maybe if we need to start talking about
41:15
a universal basic income from the gains that will get
41:18
from A do that shit.
41:19
Speaker 2
Nobody's saying shit about that anymore.
41:22
Speaker 1
It's like, I don't know, we dooped enough people on
41:24
Wall Street now that like there's too much momentum going
41:26
to fucking stop this.
41:27
Speaker 2
They'll probably bring it back like as the next stage
41:31
of this, and it'll be like way too low. And
41:34
also the AI will still suck shit at its job,
41:37
and so the like things will be getting done worse
41:40
by AI, and people will be like living on a
41:44
lower or.
41:44
Speaker 1
The dystopian version is like, come work at a company
41:47
town to be like the slight human handler for an AI.
41:51
Speaker 2
But you're only going to work like an hour a day.
41:53
Speaker 5
Yeah, enjoying your bug paste cubes exactly. Yeah, hey, only
41:57
three bug paste cubes, you dick. That's it's not our fault.
42:02
This guy's getting greedy with the bug paste jubes.
42:05
Speaker 2
Jesus cracty. All right, should we do it. Let's just
42:08
knock another dystopian story out here real quick, just.
42:11
Speaker 7
To let's go with the staff cuts at the federal
42:16
level that are leaving people open to you know, deadlier
42:20
weather events that there was.
42:22
Speaker 2
This is wild.
42:23
Speaker 3
I actually hadn't heard about this.
42:24
Speaker 2
Yeah, there were. There were were tornadoes in eastern Kentucky
42:27
that killed twenty three people at least. The governor said
42:31
that the death toll is expected to rise. The deadliest
42:34
tornado of twenty twenty four, you know, seven people were
42:38
killed in Texas. This was twenty three.
42:40
Speaker 1
People think it's now twenty seven between Missouri and Kentucky.
42:44
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, like that's the like seven was the most
42:49
that died total in twenty twenty four in any individual state.
42:52
They're twenty three in Kentucky in like one event, And
42:55
so obviously we asked the question, how are tornadoes getting deadlier? Sure,
43:00
it can't be climate change because we don't believe in
43:02
that here in Kentucky in the South. In unrelated news,
43:06
the portion of the state of Kentucky where the deaths
43:08
occurred was served by a forecast office that, following all
43:12
the federal cuts from DOGE at the beginning of the
43:15
Trump administration, no longer has overnight staff. Yeah, and these
43:20
tornadoes happen tonight. That's like, and it's not just there.
43:23
Alaska has the same thing where there's no overnight coverage.
43:26
Speaker 1
Parts of California, has affected Texas, Louisiana, Like you said, Kentucky,
43:30
it's all like many places are now I don't know
43:33
the work they.
43:34
Speaker 2
Just can't afford. Yeah, it's just like a very straightforward, Oh,
43:38
this thing they're doing is really bad and we're going
43:40
to see the consequences soon. We're seeing the consequences, and
43:44
people are just kind of like, I don't know, gets
43:46
buried with a bunch of other news. But I am
43:49
hoping that tornadoes do the right thing and start keeping
43:52
to bankers hours going forward, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:56
Speaker 3
I will say watching the original twister followed by the
44:00
most recent one is a good idea if anybody's wondering.
44:03
Yeah yeah, and right after the other, yeah, bang bang
44:05
time absolutely a twister bang bang yeah.
44:09
Speaker 1
If you read Project twenty twenty five, because like that's
44:12
all part of like just they're like, fuck the Weather Service.
44:15
This is in the part about the Weather Service quote.
44:17
This industry's mission emphasis on prediction and management seems designed
44:21
around the fatal conceit of planning for the unplannable. And
44:26
they're like, and therefore, fucking Okay, we're rich. We don't
44:30
live in you know, trailer parks, so we're not gonna
44:33
get pulled away by it.
44:35
Speaker 2
Oh I'm sorry. Was there?
44:37
Speaker 1
What was the last time a tornado hit Manhattan?
44:41
Speaker 2
I think will be a chuckle? Yeah right, yeah, seems bad.
44:45
Seems bad. Let's take a quick break and we'll be
44:48
back to talk about Jurassic Park or some some other shit.
45:02
And we're back. We're back. And did you guys see
45:06
the new Jurassic World rebirth trailer?
45:09
Speaker 3
No?
45:09
Speaker 2
I actually I saw that.
45:11
Speaker 1
It came out like two days ago, and I stopped
45:13
myself because I'm kind of excited.
45:16
Speaker 2
That I don't want to see too.
45:18
Speaker 3
I didn't watch the trailer yet.
45:19
Speaker 2
I'm a little bit excited about it too because the
45:23
so the one thing that's giving me hope is that
45:25
Gareth Edwards is directing it. He's a guy who made
45:29
like Rogue one and the Creator and like started off
45:32
with an indie movie that like was somehow like a
45:36
low budget indie movie that also was about giant monsters.
45:40
And he also made that Godzilla movie that was like
45:43
kind of divisive but a massive hit. But like he's
45:46
always with puff Daddy and Jimmy Page. That one, not
45:49
that one. No no, no, no no. That one's like
45:52
a universal disaster. Everybody agreed that one sucks shit that
45:57
I think that was.
45:58
Speaker 1
That was the Ken Wattanabe one when he when he
46:01
first joined That one that's from him.
46:03
Speaker 2
That was rolling Emeric.
46:04
Speaker 3
I think, hey, man, that soundtrack was hot. I'm just
46:06
saying never I remember the best raid one of the
46:11
best rage songs, No Shelter, Yeah, man, that was so
46:14
much good stuff. I had that soundtrack, you remember why
46:17
Deeper Underground. That was the first time I heard that song.
46:19
Speaker 1
I remember I buying that soundtrack and my dad was like,
46:23
why are you listening?
46:24
Speaker 2
Nick?
46:24
Speaker 1
What is this remix of Kashmir?
46:26
Speaker 2
And I'm like what.
46:28
Speaker 1
I'm like, this has come with me? Puff Daddy him,
46:32
no surprise, come with me and You're like, what the fuck?
46:36
Speaker 2
What is? And then the SNL performance were Jimmy Page
46:38
and Puff Daddy.
46:39
Speaker 1
Shore and then I remember my dad was like, you'd
46:41
really fuck with led Zeppelin if you think this is good?
46:44
And I'm like all right, and then that's when he
46:46
I remember he talked to me about John Bonham for
46:48
fifteen minutes and I I got so bored.
46:51
Speaker 2
I remember, like, dude, I got a fucking oh wow,
46:56
I get it. Wow.
46:57
Speaker 1
He somehow plays just behind the beat for this interesting
47:00
pocket feel.
47:01
Speaker 2
I don't give a fuck, right, but the only used
47:04
one mic his son tried to do. He didn't quite
47:09
have the same chops as Bonzo.
47:10
Speaker 1
I'm like, okay, fuck, dude, can we go to Taco
47:15
Bell to get this Gordiina. I'm trying to get the
47:17
Z piece to spell out Godzilla to win this family
47:20
a fucking billion dollars.
47:22
Speaker 2
I feel like that was the least that Diddy like
47:26
did not add a lot to that song. I'm going
47:28
to say and I know it's controversial to speak ill
47:30
of Diddy right now. No, literally, like metrically speaking, I
47:33
don't think he added much. Yeah, No, he would just
47:36
like kind of shouted over it. He's like, what if
47:40
Kashmir was this other song I yelled on top of Yeah?
47:42
What if I yelled on top of cash? Would that
47:45
be cool? But anyways, this director has always seemed faded.
47:50
To make a Jurassic Park movie. They are dropping these
47:53
things fast and furious. They're just you know, they they
47:57
ended the last trilogy and and this must have already
48:01
been in production. They were like the final Jurassic One.
48:06
Speaker 3
I just saw the original. I have never seen you
48:08
after that. The original Jurassic Park is a perfect film.
48:13
It's very good, still holds up.
48:15
Speaker 2
I love it.
48:15
Speaker 1
Every time they re release it, I go see it
48:17
because I'm permanently stuck at like nine years old when
48:20
it from me when it came out, and I'm like.
48:21
Speaker 3
Oh, totally.
48:22
Speaker 1
That's also why, for whatever reason, I think, you know,
48:25
I've had a tough year. I think I need this
48:28
to be my regression, to regress in the purest fucking way.
48:33
Speaker 2
Don't fuck this up for me, Gareth. They haven't so
48:36
here's the thing that they haven't tried doing since the
48:39
first Jurassic Park is they haven't tried making a good one. Yeah,
48:44
I mean I guess they tried. Maybe day I could
48:46
help them with that. Thank you, this is you're a
48:50
couple of steps ahead of me. But I caught that lot.
48:52
Speaker 1
You know.
48:53
Speaker 2
Steven Spielberg made the second one, and it was like
48:56
it had some amazing sequences, but overall it was pretty bad.
49:00
So that not one of Steven Spielberg's best movies. And
49:03
they I feel like Jurassic World, the reboot, like after
49:10
the first three that were like based around the original movie,
49:15
the reboot Jurassic World, like I kind of think of
49:19
that as the point at which we were fucked as
49:24
like film goers, because it is it's the perfect encapsulation
49:30
of this new model where instead of like people who
49:33
love movies being the head of like development in studios,
49:37
they had marketing teams as the head of studios, and
49:41
like they were just like, well, we got to like
49:43
make a Jurassic Park movie where like the park's actually open, right,
49:48
and it's like, yeah, that's a that is an easy
49:51
movie to make, Like great trailers for and like ads
49:55
around and like the premise is just like fucking surefire,
50:00
and then you know the notes like apparently it was
50:04
just an impossible movie to make and it was kind
50:07
of a mess. It was very like me. So there
50:09
there is a drastic park ride that is based around
50:12
rafts that is like kind of the main one I
50:15
think at Universal and that one is it. Like people
50:20
were always like it's kind of weird because the book
50:23
that the original movie is based on like the centerpiece,
50:26
like the most exciting sequence and kind of the most
50:29
like cinematic. The first one, like after reading the book
50:32
that as a like twelve year old, I was like, well,
50:35
that's gonna be an awesome movie. Scene is a raft chase,
50:39
and Spielberg just didn't end up putting it in because
50:42
they had plenty without it. I guess that they have
50:46
put in this movie. This movie is written by the
50:49
writer of the original Drass Park screenplay, and it like
50:54
the trailer is like heavily featuring this raft chase where
50:58
like a t rex is like chasing them down a river.
51:00
Speaker 1
I remember they they showed a section of it in
51:04
the first one.
51:04
Speaker 2
I was like, whoa, Yeah, they really kind of let
51:07
you know that this is gonna they really let it
51:09
breathe in this one.
51:11
Speaker 1
There's something terrifying though about like a t Rex being
51:15
slowed by water and you're in a boat. Like that's
51:18
even more psychologically fucked up. We're like, yeah, fuck, I
51:22
look the water resistance slow. Yeah, because at least they
51:27
were in the jeep when they were running from the
51:29
t rex in the first one.
51:30
Speaker 2
Yeah, have you ever been like trying to run in
51:32
water as fast for a rex? Ye? Rex? Yea in there. Yeah,
51:37
but yeah, Spielberg apparently storyboarded the sequence for the original movie.
51:42
They just never shot it. I think it was also
51:44
like crazy expensive when you.
51:46
Speaker 3
Look at between it was probably between that and the
51:48
part where the dinosaurs eat the dude in the in
51:50
the bathroom stall.
51:51
Speaker 2
Yeah, the lawyer they chose wisely get the lobviously. Yeah,
51:55
when you look at the making of that original movie,
51:56
it's like there's a lot of it's kind of a
51:59
mirror because like so little of it is actually CGI,
52:03
Like most of it's just puppets and shit like that,
52:06
and then they just like mixed in moments of CGI,
52:08
which is why so much CGI since then has been
52:12
so fucked because everyone was like, well, they did Jurassic
52:14
Park with CGI some some Yeah, they did some. CGI
52:20
was like seventy percent amazing, like the best in class
52:24
practical effects we'd seen on film up to that point,
52:27
plus like some shading from the CGI. Yeah, It's like
52:31
it's still fucking stan Winston's genius that made that film possible.
52:36
It's like his creatures, the Stan Winston creatures are like
52:39
the fucking real engine of that movie visually. Yeah. But
52:42
our writer JM McNab was, he's he's been on this
52:46
for a while like that first his theory is that
52:50
Steven Spielberg even like made Jurassic Park in the first
52:53
place because he gets a cut of Universal Studios money,
52:59
And he was like, this is going to be a
53:01
sick ride. People are going to go to this. This
53:04
is gonna be like the best ride that I've ever made.
53:07
And he also points out like the ride is based
53:10
on that scene in the movie. So there there's always
53:14
a chance that Spielberg is like kind of pulling the
53:16
strings here to be like, what if we did we
53:19
finally made the river Reft ride.
53:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, Well, because then I guess his first bite of
53:24
the apple would have been the et Adventure as a
53:26
universal ride. That's probably the thing that got him the
53:30
deal where they're like, hey, man, if you want to
53:32
like make some rides based on your movies, like we'll
53:34
give you a cut of the gate at the parks.
53:37
And the ET ride was fine. I mean, the ET
53:41
did say your name at the end. If it was
53:44
in a name of a database of traditional names, a
53:46
computer could say some traditionals, yeah, because I remember I
53:50
remember going with my Japanese cousin. Her name's Misakle, and
53:53
I'm Miles. In the beginning, they're like say your name
53:55
or you type it in, and it was like goodbye Miles,
53:59
and then they're like, it's gonna say your name Mesucle
54:02
and is like just it was just like shipry, like yeah, yeah,
54:11
but Martha.
54:12
Speaker 2
Or something goodbye honey, good good bye sweetheart.
54:20
Speaker 1
Here.
54:21
Speaker 2
Yeah, but anyways, I don't know. The Rebirth subtitle is
54:27
actually giving Friday the thirteenth sequel where they like made
54:31
a Jason Dies movie and then we're already in production
54:35
on the like Jason Lives one like that. They're just
54:38
like cranked out, but a lot of the big action
54:41
moments actually are like have dinosaurs coming out of the water,
54:46
which kind of reminds me of Jaws. I feel like
54:48
it's it's giving Jaws. Johansen is like shooting one of
54:53
the dinosaurs with like a spear gun, just like in Jaws.
54:56
So I saw the trailer.
54:59
Speaker 1
There was like mega dinosaur that like flops out of
55:03
the water next.
55:03
Speaker 2
To that boat, and I was like, mustsaurus.
55:05
Speaker 1
Yeah wow, Oh well you said the dinosaur's name, like
55:08
you're hanging out with your kids a bunch who probably you're.
55:11
Speaker 2
Clearly book for this. There's a there's a cute children's
55:14
book called Papasaurus and one one of the dinosaur friends
55:19
that this this kid is playing this dinosaur kid is
55:22
playing hide and seek with his dad, and one of
55:25
the dinosaurs he visits task if they've seen his dad
55:28
is the mostasaurus, and that most of the saurus is
55:30
a little nicer than the one in this trailer. Oh wow,
55:33
thank you. That.
55:34
Speaker 1
Okay, so it's not scary, it's not scary, Okay, watch it.
55:37
Speaker 2
I'll watch it.
55:40
Speaker 3
But yeah, and sorry, did you say muscle saurus mosa mosa?
55:45
Okay I'm thinking like proteinosaurus or something.
55:48
Speaker 1
No, yeah, yeah, ripped, that's the credat kreodactyl.
55:55
Speaker 2
I think there's some dactyls in this one. That is
55:57
my favorite thing about this. The later movies, I guess
56:01
they didn't really have the ability to dactyls.
56:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, to get technically dinosaurs get sucked up in the
56:08
sky by a fucking pterodactyl's that's that's big money.
56:11
Speaker 2
Bro sucked off into that.
56:13
Speaker 3
That's a fatality right there.
56:14
Speaker 2
Exactly fatality. All right. So we do want to end
56:18
on some good news, and that is that, according to
56:21
a new study, the universe and everything in it will
56:25
decay into nothingness way sooner than anyone expected.
56:29
Speaker 1
Oh thank god, my yeah, that's the that's the ideal thing.
56:34
We all go together and we don't have to feel bad,
56:37
you know. So what is it like in like three
56:39
weeks or what are you hey? I you know, yeah, yeah,
56:42
let it dude, let's ghibbly mean it up a job, yeah, before.
56:48
Speaker 3
Bearing on, my love. It's all good. Yeah.
56:51
Speaker 2
So they used to think it was going to be
56:53
ten to the power of one eleven hundred years. They
56:58
used to think it was going to be ten to
56:59
the power of eleven hundred years. But now it's apparently
57:02
going to be ten to the power of seventy eight
57:04
years so one followed by seventy eight zeros, and that's
57:09
soon sooner.
57:12
Speaker 3
So this is the true.
57:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, by orders of magnitude, I guess seventy eight and
57:16
eleven hundred.
57:18
Speaker 2
Ah well, all right, fine. I woke up a little
57:23
earlier this morning. Once I read this news, I was like,
57:25
I got some shit to do, man.
57:27
Speaker 1
I got to grind it out, dude, add those add
57:29
that extra Yeah, get my affairs in order. You start
57:34
talking like a grindset, dude. You're like, nah, dude, I
57:36
saw that headline about the universe. Any I woke up
57:38
an hour earlier. Okay, add that up over a week.
57:41
I've got a slight advantage over you. Add that up
57:43
over a half a year. I definitely have. I've been
57:46
doing about a three weeks more worth of work than
57:49
you have. Add that over ten years, man, I'm gone.
57:52
Speaker 2
You win. Gone. In the morning, I'm standing over you, shredded, shirtless,
57:56
and guess what I and I'm the doctor. I just
57:59
delivered you for birth. We started to clock over. That's
58:02
how ahead of my time. I am. Okay, counting my money,
58:07
counting my big coin.
58:08
Speaker 1
That's an actual thing I saw on a YouTube short
58:11
where guys like you got to think of this way. Man,
58:13
I'm waking up with those two extra hours, I don't sleep.
58:16
Speaker 2
You had that up.
58:17
Speaker 1
He like extrapolates that, He's like, within three years, I've
58:19
actually done seven lifetimes worth the work that you haven't,
58:22
and that you're like, no, you just sound sleep like
58:25
thirty five companies. Yeah, no, precisely. It's that kind of
58:28
like just very loose logic. We're like, yeah, thirty five companies.
58:35
Speaker 2
I've bought way more crypto. I've lost like three teeth
58:39
because I started doing ice baths.
58:41
Speaker 3
Man, Yeah, exactly right.
58:43
Speaker 2
But yeah, so this is because the universe will gradually
58:46
decay due to Hawking radiation first propose by Stephen Hawking,
58:51
which involves particles and quantum fluctuations and a bunch of stuff.
58:56
I totally understand about black holes that I'm not gonna
58:58
bore you guys with right now now, even though, like
59:01
I said, I understand it it's boring to you too.
59:06
I fine, like you, I can see how it would
59:08
be boring.
59:10
Speaker 1
I'm pretty interested, So like, what can he kind of
59:12
explain that?
59:13
Speaker 2
So that's all the time we have for today's kind
59:16
of a shorter episode. No you sure? Or like what?
59:20
It all comes back to black holes? How you understand?
59:25
And some where black holes event horizon the intense viational
59:30
field prevents annihilation. Obviously we all know that, right sure?
59:37
Do you ever be like.
59:38
Speaker 3
A physicist or a scientist to have like something named
59:42
after you? You know what I mean?
59:43
Speaker 2
I mean, unless you want to be Do I get
59:45
into that, like, unless somebody wants to name it after me? Well,
59:50
you know when they're which I would recommend Brian Bullshit scale,
59:55
the Buster dude, he's the charge.
1:00:00
Speaker 1
The O'Brien scale, it's a three point six on the open.
1:00:03
Speaker 2
Basically, So the event horizon process that I was just
1:00:07
describing that we all understand over long time scales, Howkings
1:00:12
theory suggests, and this is just how I talk. I'm
1:00:14
not quoting space dot Com here, over long time scales.
1:00:18
Hawkings theory suggests. This process causes the black hole to
1:00:21
slowly evaporate, eventually vanishing, and once that happens, all bets
1:00:26
are off. You know. Wow, oh wow, so easy to
1:00:29
get her.
1:00:29
Speaker 1
I'm just like, I'm like, how but what would the
1:00:32
experience like? Do we all just like like go to
1:00:34
turn to dust like some fanos slap snap. But then
1:00:37
I'm reading about how the end of the universe would
1:00:40
cause a big crunch where everything goes and then that
1:00:43
would set off another big bang and we start the
1:00:47
universe all over again.
1:00:48
Speaker 2
Kind of beautiful, kind of it'll like be a big crunch,
1:00:50
and then we'll realize we were just like some particle
1:00:53
in some other like vast thing. We're just like minuscule
1:00:58
dust on the app some some other thing to black,
1:01:03
fade to black. And then Bob Dylan song comes up,
1:01:05
so Mona. He was saying, and they and you said
1:01:12
that you and your wife sing other music and Bob
1:01:15
Dylan's boice. What's the what's the best match you found there?
1:01:19
Speaker 3
Oh man, oh god, can I think of something else?
1:01:22
Speaker 8
Happy birthday to you.
1:01:26
Speaker 2
I don't know, maybe like something like green Day, I said.
1:01:30
Speaker 1
Going down Rodeale with my shotgun, with my shotgun.
1:01:37
Speaker 8
Brand, They're like a tea wagon.
1:01:47
Speaker 2
I want the machines that are making them. Shot you,
1:01:53
Hong Kong, such a pleasure on the Daily's like, where
1:01:56
is the pleasure guy? Find you? Follow you all that
1:01:59
good stuff on the one thing that I am on Instagram.
1:02:03
I suppose I still use the name that you know
1:02:07
it's my name, and maybe a little cultural reference Shahjastan
1:02:11
because I'm you know, I'm definitely the only one that's
1:02:13
ever thought of something like that. S H A H
1:02:16
J I S T A N.
1:02:18
Speaker 3
And please, for the love of God, watch Deli Boys,
1:02:21
so we can get a second seasons, get be employed
1:02:23
because as I told you, my my loans are in forbearance,
1:02:26
so come on, I would love to keep being able
1:02:28
to chip away at those.
1:02:30
Speaker 2
And also, yes, watch after Math on Netflix. I play
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an ethnically ambiguous action hero in a movie about terrorists
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where I am not a terrorist. So I want wow
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there in your face, Hollywood, in your face? Or also,
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good job Hollywood, I guess please hire. Is there a
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work of media that you've been enjoying. I will give
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a shout out to my friend Kareem Rahama's Subway Takes
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and specifically the episode featuring the creator of Delhi. Bo
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is up the less talking about how men are the
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most the more emotional out of in the two gender situation,
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not that it's only you know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, I feel in the in the binary perspective, in
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the binary world.
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Speaker 3
Thank you thank you, Miles.
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Speaker 2
Miles, Huh, where can people find you?
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Speaker 9
And is that media trying me on the corner pushing
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dope with the dope boys? You know rappers is talking
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to me as if we're in the same boat.
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Speaker 2
I tell them quick, no, I move Coke find me
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everywhere at Miles of Gray. Uh what else?
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Speaker 1
Basketball podcast Myles and Jack got mad boost as I
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just I fully morph into a knickspan.
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Speaker 2
Okay, it's just it's time baby. Oh and I don't
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know Sajahrne. You a Celtics fan? I know are you from?
1:03:50
Speaker 3
I don't watch sports in any way?
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Speaker 2
Great, fantastic you are.
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Speaker 3
You have transcended and if I did, I definitely would
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not watch Boston Sports.
1:03:58
Speaker 2
All right, good guy, he was a good egg. I
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knew he's a good egg.
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Speaker 1
But anyway, Yeah, Jack on Mad Boosey's for NBA Talk
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four twenty d Fiance for ninety day Fiance Talk.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, a working media I'm liking.
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Speaker 1
Yeah Russian Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, how about that? This
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is from at in visit hole dot Besky dot Social.
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I'll be saying, explain yourself for every good morning I
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get tomorrow. I just like the idea of just clapping
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back immediately and then uh the Onion at the onion
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dot com on Blue Sky, I posted Republican infighting your
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reps over whether Trump Bill beautiful or handsome.
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Speaker 2
I'd also love to shout out am radio traffic on
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the threes. Hell yeah, great traffic on the traffic on
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the threes. They've been doing him for a while now.
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Fucking just up I in the sky and I and
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the You know that is such a fucking grandiose name
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for what they're doing. Where your eye in the sky.
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You know that word that people made for God? That's us. Yeah,
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up here checking out traffic patterns a workimedia I've been enjoying.
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L bark at Franz Sherbet tweeted me to my AI
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enabled smart fridge in twenty thirty eight, do we have
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any milk left my fridge? Wow? Now that's a question
1:05:22
worth exploring. By asking me something like that, you've proven
1:05:26
that you're not thinking in ordinary ways. You're dialed into
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what's really vital about food. Let's dive in my god,
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you fridge, we just go back to ice boxes? Man, Hey,
1:05:40
hawkings radiation? Could we knock this out by Uh? Yeah,
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I just did what my twenty thirty hawkings a Hawking, Hey,
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Brad Pitt's and.
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Speaker 1
Hey, it's like the Thunders versus the Pelican later much.
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Speaker 2
You can find me on Twitter at jack Undersquirrel, running
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on Blue Sky at Jackobe the Number one. You can
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find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeikeeist.
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We're at the Daily Zeikeist. On Instagram, you can go
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to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,
1:06:11
and there you will find the footnote, which is where
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we link off to the information that we talked about
1:06:16
in today's episode. We also link off to a song
1:06:19
that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, is there
1:06:22
a song you think people might enjoy?
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Speaker 1
Yeah? Yeah, I encounter a lot of interesting music on
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TikTok because my algorithm is mostly like interesting music, but
1:06:31
then also trends that are happening there. And there's so
1:06:34
many people I've seen just dancing to this like slow
1:06:37
down version of Sam Galatri's Assumptions and just doing like
1:06:41
a like a ballroom dance to it.
1:06:43
Speaker 2
Whatever. That's the TikTok trend.
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Speaker 1
But there's actually an amazing k Tranada remix of Assumptions
1:06:49
by Sam Gallatry and that's the track I want to.
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Speaker 2
Go out on.
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Speaker 1
It's the Assumptions k Tranada edit of Sam Gala Trees
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or Galatries Assumptions G E L L A I t
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R Y anyway search Patronata assumptions. It's going to come
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up and it's a banger.
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Speaker 2
All right. We will link off to that in the
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