There’s more news and less comprehension today than any historical period that didn’t involve literal witch trials, and trying to stay on top of it all can feel like playing a game of telephone with 30 people, except everyone’s speaking at the same time and like a third of them are openly racist for some reason. From Cracked co-founder Jack O’Brien, THE DAILY ZEITGEIST is stepping into that fray with some of the funniest and smartest comedic and journalistic minds around. Jack and co-host Miles Gray spend up to an hour every weekday sorting through the events and stories driving the headlines, to help you find the signal in the noise, with a few laughs thrown in for free.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-the-daily-zeitgeist-28516718/
episode 5: Red Wine Is Like Weed?! The End Of Letter Grades?! 11.19.21
In episode 1034, Jack and Miles are joined by Kate Hagen to discuss Mommy Made It Hot: Noem’s Daughter GIVING Up The Real Estate Game, A Lot of Schools Are Realizing That Letter Grades Suck, Red Wine is LIKE WEED SERIOUSLY!!!!!, Netflix‘s most watched shit and more!
- Mommy Made It Hot: Noem’s Daughter GIVING Up The Real Estate Game
- A Lot of Schools Are Realizing That Letter Grades Suck
- Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of...
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Speaker 1
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eleven, Episode
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five of Day Guys, de production of My Heart Radio.
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This is a podcast where we take a deep to
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dive into America's share consciousness. And it is Friday, November. Sure,
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it's the fifty eighth anniversary of the Gettysburg Address or whatever,
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but more importantly it's National carbonated Beverage with day Ak
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Baha black a red blows. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien,
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a K may Mayo Mayo chup band. I want to
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throw up. That's curtsya Ensen Jensen. Not necessarily true of me.
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I don't mind a little Mayo chup, but my wife
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not a fan. I'm thrilled to be joined as always
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buy my co host, Mr Miles Grass. It's Grebraham Lincoln
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letting you know that four blunts and seven edibles ago.
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I was smacked playing play Station five. Okay, already smacked,
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and then you did four blunts and yeah, how many edibles?
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Seven four months and seven edibles ago. It was a
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challenging time, you know. And yeah, having Ellen Scandling come
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on last week that was last week, right, just kind
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of got my mind going again around edibles and my
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endocannabinoid system, and I was just like, I was getting
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really into it. Then this article came out today saying
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like cannabis like compounds are released when you do strength exercising,
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like anti inflammatory proper. It's just basically the gist of
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it was like lifting weights periodically for your health is
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good for you. Way to bring weed. And we'll talk
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about those science headlines. Yeah, everybody's trying to get on
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that weed train, like math is like smoking weed, but
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with numbers and well miles. We are thrilled to be
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joined in our third seat by a brilliant, talented writer
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whose work has appeared in Playboy, five thirty, The Hollywood Reporter,
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and on the Blacklist blog. You've heard her on podcasts
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like How Did This Get Made? Seen her in the
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documentary The Last Blockbuster. She's the director of community relations
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for the Blacklist, which celebrates outstanding and underappreciated screenwriting. And
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it's just an all around legend. Mate. Please welcome Kate. Hey,
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what's up? Kate? Hey? Guys, thanks for having me, Thanks
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for having me back. Excited to join the two times
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daily Zygeist club. That's three times you get that that
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green paper weight. Very exciting I was just trying to
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look up my tweet I was gonna reference because it's
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weed related and I thought it was a nice dovetail,
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which with what y'all were talking about with edibles. And
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now I can't kind the tweet again. You hold on
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to that you have totanic search while we're talking total
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totally hanging out. You know, her plas into COVID. I
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just moved, which is very exciting. I had been in
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the same place for nine years and it was nice
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to get a little change of scenery, go through all
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my ship and start again. But yeah, moving is not
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very fun. Who knew what they were you in? In?
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Which region did you move to? I just specific as
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you'd like in l A. I moved from like East
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Hollywood to like Hancock Park area and found a miracle
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of an apartment. Yeah, I was like, I was fully
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ready to move to like North Hollywood, but I got
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really lucky. Check Zillo at midnight, guys. That's my advice,
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that's kat. I'm sure you didn't say North Hollywood like that,
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like it's a bad place to be my ancestral homeland.
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It's not badly listen, howood, I just like I don't
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love driving on highways here, so like anything Valley then
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like you are dedicated to highways. I was happy to
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not have to make that change in my life. But no,
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I go to North Hollywood all the time. I have
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a bunch of friends who lives like North. I would
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name everything in North Hollywood go. I don't believe you
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exactly could fire Pizza Lakers right there. Okay, you know,
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my favorite video store used to be in North Hollywood,
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but they I did love Odyssey. I have a bunch
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of VHS tapes from one Odyssey closed but right down
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the street from them, Eddie Brand Saturday Mattinee. That. Yeah,
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that place is wild. I know. I said, I grew
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up like a block from Odyssey, like as a kid,
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and I'll always be like, man, she's not a blockbuster.
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We go to Jankie Odyssey where the porno is in
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the front half of the store and you get to
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walk by it as a kid. Yeah, when they were
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going out of business, their whole back room was just
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like thousands of pornos. It was like, yeah, I bought
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my first porno tape out Odyssey Video like when I
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was like seventeen or something like just at the age
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where they're like, don't you're probably eighteen? Yeah. I remember
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being in there and I was like it was like
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fucking cheesecake factory menu. I was like, I don't even
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know where to can I like almost, I'm not joking,
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Like I just closed my eyes and like waved my
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hand at this show like this one, I will take
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these shout out to gauge. That's a real generational defining line,
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like have you ever watched porn on a VHS tape
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or media? Have you ever paid paid actual American money?
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There's yah because everything these kids don't know. They can
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get their weed delivered, They don't have to go to
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a right aid parking lot like I used to post
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up at and just wait for me to flash my hazards.
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Or now they can summon pornography on their cell phones
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rather than waiting like four hours for a two megabyte
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MPEG video to download. A different time. You do it
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for y'all, We do it for you. The youth is
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there like seasonality with the Blacklist, Like do you guys
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have the Blacklist coming up? We do. We will have
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the annual Blacklist coming up in December. I cannot spoil
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the date yet, but they's coming soon and I believe
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this is going to be if my math is right.
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Number seven team, which is really almost of legal voting age,
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the Black Clows. Yeah, could buy a porno at honestly. Yeah.
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They did have that popcorn machine though that before like
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health code laws. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm sure this
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place right, but this pop serve yourself popcorn machine by
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the adult video sections they're handing it. Yeah, oh yeah.
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I feel like the person behind the behind the desk
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at the video store was probably like, look, man, like
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I just want you to shave off that mustache that
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you've been growing. Like, so, I'm gonna let you do this,
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but just you have to promise me to go home
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and shave that ship. He's like, look, man, if you
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shave it, come back in, I'll remember you and I'll
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sell it to you. Then. Oh man, And I still
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remember my first mustache. It was that thing was look
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at my mustache to say, I remember my first mustache.
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You're looking straight up, I remember my first mustache, Miles.
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My eyes fogged over as I said I remember my
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first mustache, and I looked wistfully up at the clouds.
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You worked back into time and body of it. But
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we are both mustachioed men right now. You know, I'm
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sure people can hear it in our voice. But oh yeah, yeah, okay.
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Is it like tax season for an accountant? Is it
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like that? Wilder? Are you all pretty like locked in
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on your And also please let for people who don't
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know about the black List, please tell them about the
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Blacklist because that's a very infular like Hollywood thing. Yeah.
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It started in two thousand five by my boss, Franklin
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Leonard as an annual survey of the most like screenplays
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in town. The number two in the number three scripts
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on the first Blacklist were Juno and Lars and The
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Real Girl, So that was like kind of the launching
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pad for writers. Yeah, and over the years it's just
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become a really great sort of collection at the end
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of the year of really great screenplays that are not
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being produced. Tons of writers have come through, something like
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you know, twenty five Oscar wins for Blacklist scripts, a
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couple billion dollars in global box office, which is pretty cool.
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But we also have a two sided marketplace that anybody
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anywhere in the world with an English language screenplay or
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pilot can upload a script and make it available to
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thousands of industry members, and we've had countless writers get signed,
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you know, set their scripts up, get movies made, make
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other sort of official industry connections that have have been
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a springboard. And we take very little credit for that stuff,
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you know it we're just sort of the conduit for
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those conversations to happen. But it's really cool. I mean,
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you know, we also do some really hefty screenwriter's lab programs.
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My colleague Megan Holburn does a lot of those. But
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that's one of the best parts of the job, is
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like seeing folks who did the screenwriter's lab five or
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six years ago, like huge studio gigs and things like that. Yeah,
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we just you know, I think Franklin realized early on
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in his tenure in the industry that like, writers are
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very overlooked by the business and you know, it's the
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first person who has the idea most of the time
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to make the movie, and you know, needed a sense
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of community. A lot of times we would do like
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dinners with screenwriters a couple of years ago, and it
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would be shocking, like, oh, I rewrote one of your
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drafts and we've never met in person. Yeah, so It's
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been really cool and watch that sort of community developed.
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I've been working there since somehow and we have grown
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a lot in that time. But yeah, gonna hang out
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with writers and see them do their best work is
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is a pretty nice thing. What was the last big
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thing that came off the Blacklist? King Richard comes out today,
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and that was the number two script on the Blacklist
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in nineteen I think, so that's that's big doings. I'm
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trying to think of some of I was like, when
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I first saw the poster for that, I was like,
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all right, Like I think I have a sense of
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what kind of movie this is. And then I was
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at a theater I saw the trailer and I was
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like getting tough. You're like, yeah, why are watching this?
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Like I don't know what love is. One of my
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favorite Blacklist stories though, is that Succession sort of started
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as a Blacklist script. Jesse Armstrong had written a script
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I believe about the Murdoch family that was on the
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Blacklist that sort of morphed into Succession, which is exciting.
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So thanks for writing that, Jesse Armstrong. We're all better
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for it. And it just has to be like unproduced
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or like unpurchased to make it into the not necessarily
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unpurchased just the first day of principal photography cannot have
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begun if the script makes the Blacklist, like I'm pretty sure,
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like when King Richard was on the Blacklist, like Will
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Smith was already attached to star, or like was announced
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a couple of days later. So yeah, things are on
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in various stages of production. But you know, to that
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that being said, there are still many many Blacklist scripts
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that have have never gotten made. Industry folks who want
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some good material go back to the old Blacklist and
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see what's still available. But yeah, it's been super cool
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to like sort of watch all those folks evolve and
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watch the movies enter the mainstream and just you know,
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become a part of the conversation. Yeah. I was just
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trying to figure out if I should submit my screenplay
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that has Will Smith attached already, But it sounds like
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I'm good to do that. So yeah, you know, just
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just take it to HBO. Max. We'll get you set
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up just like real quick. Yeah, we know some people
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over there, be pretty quick. Okay, we're gonna get to
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know you a little bit better in a moment First,
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a few of the things we're talking about. We have
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an update on the story about Christie Nomes daughter's licensing
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attempts to be a licensed real estate agent appraiser. Okay, sorry,
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it's like and also really fucking unfair, how hard it is.
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We're gonna talk about a letter grades and whether those
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are gonna go away. We're gonna talk about red wine
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being like weed according to according to this study, as
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well as lifting weights, as well as just existing by
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our product. It is like we'd we'd like property all
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that plenty more. But first, Kate, we do like to
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ask eric guests, what is something from your search history?
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I learned a fun fact this week. I grew up
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in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I was doing some just like
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general spooky Cincinnati googling, and I learned that the very
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first commercial haunted house was in Deer Park, Ohio, which
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is where my dad grew up, and started in nineteen
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seventy as part of the Junior Chamber of Commerce Junior
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Chamber of Commerce. But they were called the j CS
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for j C Junior Chamber, and they would just like
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find spooky abandoned houses and make these like really crazy
12:48
themed rooms before the time of leg spirit Halloween stories,
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so like homemade props and things like that. But you know,
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I grew up in Cincinnati. My whole life in Cincinnati
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is kind of a spooky town. But I had no
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idea that like the sort of haunted houses we know
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it today began there. And I've been fascinated by this
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all week. Also, the guy who started it is this
13:07
like local gardening expert in Cincinnati. He's on like, you know,
13:11
the Grandma radio stations and you're like, how did you
13:14
come up with haunted houses? My guy like what? Yeah?
13:18
So the like so in the sense that the earliest
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sort of documented how haunted house type things were people
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just setting up like grandiose displays in rooms and like,
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and then that kind of evolved to what we have
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now with our characters and mazes and whatnot. Yeah, yeah,
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I read that. It was like initially like there were
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some earlier haunted houses that were like sort of like
13:39
one off things or like in the Great Depression, I
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guess there are a bunch of rascally boys out on
13:45
the streets on Halloween nights, so they're like, we need
13:47
to keep them indoors, so people would like turn their
13:50
basements into haunted houses. But yeah, the first sort of
13:52
like let's charge admission that, let's make this an event,
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like you know, let's make this like a destination. Yeah,
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just little Deer Park, Ohio. Yeah, wild times. I lived
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in a Dayton for five years, and I remember, like
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I have a memory where my friends and I were going.
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We're like planning to go to Cincinnati to go to
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like this haunted house or I think it was a
14:15
haunted hospital there, Like it has multiple floors, it's terrifying,
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and then I like babied out and was like, you guys,
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I just I don't think we should do it. Exactly
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what you're talking about. Yeah, this is like a local legend.
14:29
Was like, if you survive every floor, you get like
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the top floors the scariest, but you gotta survive. Sign
14:35
a waiver if anything happens to you. Yeah. I remember
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we were in the van getting ready to go, and
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I like came up with an excuse for why I
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couldn't go, And I think I like the whole trip.
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I don't blame you. I love horror movies that I
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do not funk with haunted houses. I do not want
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to be touched. I don't want anybody in my face.
14:55
Like that's a whole different level. Yeah, that's why I was.
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I think the last time we talked about it, I'll
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walk through that thing screaming, trying to be more scary
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to the characters, just like wild, this is my place,
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and I'm just like petrifying. So I don't do It's
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not good for my blood pressure. By the way, the
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people should know, just so that in case we have
15:20
listeners who like to picture things in their mind that
15:22
Miles is now a standing podcaster and so we get
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like when he was just doing that, he paced around
15:28
and was flexing on imaginary the stage. Yeah, this is fun. Man,
15:34
like Donald Trump in a debate. Yeah, what is something
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you think is overrated? Kate? Oh boy, I'm gonna get
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a lot of haters for this one, but I gotta
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do it because it's reasonally appropriate. Um. I think Christmas
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music is wild overrated, and I think people who start
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listening to it like in mid October, like that's a lot.
15:55
It's a lot. I'm not saying all Christmas music is bad.
15:58
I'm not saying Christmas music shouldn't you played during the
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Christmas season, but when there are like three radio stations
16:04
dedicated to Christmas music, like November one, that is a
16:08
little bit of overkill, guys, I would say, yeah, it is.
16:12
Really it's a strange phenomenon that like for a month,
16:16
Like that's how powerful Christmas is that for a month
16:19
we all just listened to like mediocre music and it's
16:22
like the same every year or just yeah, but it is.
16:25
I mean it's all about nostalgia, right, So yeah, I
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think that's what's wild. Yeah, it's like it's an emotional
16:32
safe space for a lot of American people. Like, but
16:35
this time of year was great because in school would
16:37
be out and I could stay home and there were
16:40
gifts and then I saw a family and then I
16:42
didn't have to go to school. And I feel like
16:43
a lot of my because I'm one of these people,
16:46
like I will turn into a straight up Karen starting
16:50
December one, Like I trying to wait or maybe right
16:53
after that's reasonable though, after Thanksgiving, but the like people
16:57
are listening to Christmas music in middlec Over, I'm just like,
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that's such a long time and too much of a
17:04
thing you like is bad, like it will become meaningless
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because I only I really like you're saying, there are
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only like sixteen songs I really like, and you will
17:13
go through them like songs back then were like ninety seconds,
17:16
So you listen to all of them like forty minutes,
17:18
you're like, fuck, man, another round that playlist single about
17:23
rock again but again. The thing I do is I'll
17:26
put on like piano covers, like piano jazz covers of
17:30
like Christmas standards at night to make my house feel
17:35
like a hotel lobby that I'm not supposed to be in.
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M hmm, yeah, I like that. Do you have like
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some cinnamon like pot pourri that you can put there?
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Yea to some some milling spices. You know what I mean.
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You've got that milling spices. I got that I have.
17:50
I have my woodwick Yankee candles. You know what I mean?
17:53
With that clock, I'm telling I'm not joking about this,
17:56
the vibe setting I do. I'm the big austere glass
18:00
like non cheerful. I'm just trying to picture like a
18:03
fancy hotel at Christmas. I feel like they have like
18:07
two giant glass fucking Christmas tree or something so many
18:14
orbs or like a like a gigantic what looks like
18:17
a scientific glass flask, which is meant to like evoke
18:20
a Christmas tree with like ribbon. It's like very minimal,
18:23
it's very fancy. I do feel like the early, like
18:27
the fact that Christmas is getting earlier and earlier is
18:31
probably connected to the overall like infantilization of America, because
18:35
like I hadn't really made the connection until like now
18:38
I have a three year old who starts asking about
18:41
Christmas and like August, and so I feel like it's
18:44
just yeah, yeah, like it's you know, the little baby
18:48
and all of us being like I want Christmas now
18:53
exactly because I'm like, what am I going to deal
18:55
with my thirty seven year old reality? Exactly? I'm fucking nine,
19:01
let's go. I was just talking to my therapist about
19:03
regression and the fact that like so many of us
19:06
have for grass during the pandemic, for better and worse,
19:09
and like I definitely think that's a huge part of
19:11
the Christmas thing getting earlier and earlier. It's like the
19:14
world is so bad, people are just looking for like
19:17
little slivers of comfort, and Christmas music is one of them.
19:20
So I don't want to begrudge anybody's Christmas music listening.
19:23
I just like maybe not for you, but for you
19:26
that I will say. The real racket is a musician
19:31
is like right that Christmas song as we see Mariah Carey,
19:35
like you make a bank for the rest of your
19:37
life as well your grandchildren, Like yeah, right, can you
19:41
imagine like the like you know, like how Anderson Cooper
19:44
is like a Vanderbilt and like there's someone the equivalent
19:46
of like Mariah Carey's descendants to like they descend from that.
19:50
All I want for Christmas money generational wealth, that new money, yeah,
19:55
or who knows if they're smart about it, it's old
19:57
money by the time. It's like, oh man, if that
20:02
hearts around, what's What's something that you think is underrated?
20:06
This has been in my crowd this week because my
20:08
friend General Hands just did a podcast with one of
20:11
the co creators, And I feel like the internet has
20:14
been super thirsty for lee Pace recently because lee Pace
20:17
has been given us a lot of really great thirst traps.
20:19
But I still find people all the time who have
20:22
either never heard of or never watched Hot and Catch Fire,
20:25
which I think is like the greatest show of the
20:27
sort of golden age of TV. I don't know, like
20:30
I you know, the sort of founding of computers and
20:34
the Internet as we know it today is like not
20:36
a thing that I'm like particularly interested in in the
20:40
same way that like, you know, Baltimore City politics and
20:42
the Wire is not something I thought I'd be interested in.
20:45
But the writing on Home Catch Fire is just unbelievable,
20:48
and it does a really cool bait and switch. From
20:50
season one to season two. You think it's going to
20:52
be like another one of these sort of like bad
20:54
white Man stories and his sort of like redemption, and
20:58
then they just pulled the rug out for under you
21:00
and if it comes about the two female leads who
21:02
are Carrie Busche and oh my god, what Mackenzie Why
21:06
did her name just fallout? Mackenzie Davis? Thank you, yeah,
21:10
And they sort of become the leads of the show
21:12
and it becomes about sort of like women in business
21:15
during a very tumultuous time in the late eighties and
21:17
early nineties. Incredible music choices. One of the most elegantly
21:22
produced shows that has like a bunch of massive time
21:24
jumps in it, which is really cool to like see
21:26
characters ten years after we met them. I don't know, man,
21:30
It's just one of the best shows, and I still
21:32
feel like a ton of people have never seen it.
21:34
I think it's still streaming on Netflix. But yeah, if
21:36
you have not watched Holton catch Fire, like what a
21:38
what a nice cozy blanket of a show about some
21:41
fucked up people just trying to be a little bit
21:43
better for each other. Damn. Okay, I couldn't take a
21:48
suggestion more seriously than from you, So I'm definitely I'm
21:53
gonna have to watch it now. It's funny because i'm
21:55
looking it up. I'm like, wait, Chris can't Well is
21:57
the show under the Crying Nazi from Charlotte of Bill
22:00
But it's just an unfortunate common name. It is a
22:02
common name. Yeah, but yeah, I liked I watched like
22:05
the first couple when I was on and I was like,
22:07
this is boring, this is a mad Men rip off.
22:09
And then I had friends who were like, no, no, no,
22:11
you need to stick with it. And you do need
22:13
to stick with it because it kind of becomes a
22:15
completely different show after the first season. So yeah, check
22:18
it out, guys. The theme music all today this Danish
22:24
like E d M producer who are really fun. Okay,
22:27
you might remember him from I know you'll remember this
22:30
if you remember East Bounding Down when they do Ecstasy
22:33
at the dance and there's a song music that's trying
22:39
to molder. Yeah, I think one of the guys from
22:43
Tangerine dream Too does some of the music, which is
22:46
really cool. That's like a nice throwback to all those
22:48
great eighties Tangerine Dreams. Course. But yeah, well watch Howland
22:51
catch Fire. Guys, it's so good. All right, Well, let's
22:56
take a quick break. We're gonna watch howt and catch
22:58
Fire and it's entirety and be right back and we're back.
23:13
You weren't kidding? What a show? What was it? Mating Switch?
23:16
I did watch it onto X Speed, but I think
23:19
I got most of it, the one where like somebody
23:26
blinks into existence for like one split second and then
23:29
flints after existence, or they might have like had a
23:32
long SNI was happy forget. All right, let's talk about
23:39
Governor Christye Nome and her alleged nepotism issues. Alleged so
23:45
her daughter was trying to get a real estate appraiser license.
23:49
The tests were not fair, they were too hard, and
23:54
so her her mom stepped in to make it all better. Yea,
23:58
And what's what's wrong that the most American thing nepotism
24:02
and being helped out by rich, powerful by gover mom.
24:07
What's government that let graver mom step in and make
24:10
it all better? And yeah, like it was a whole thing.
24:13
She had to come out and deny it because the
24:15
whole thing was like again, if you if you didn't
24:18
listen to that episode she want to get her license,
24:20
They said, you know, she wasn't even doing the bare minimum,
24:23
so we had to deny it. And then the governor
24:26
Gnome calls like the like sort of the power brokers
24:29
or the people who have the power to decide or
24:31
oversee this process of giving these licenses out, summoned them
24:36
to her office for like a fucking talk with her
24:38
daughter in the fucking room, and then like then suddenly
24:42
people were like, oh wait, but now she got approved
24:45
after that meeting, which again I just want to refresh
24:48
everyone's memory. That led us to this clip where Christine
24:51
Nome was very much saying like, look, I don't know
24:55
like what's happening here. I just know that here we'll
24:59
we'll just like to say it for herself. I raised
25:02
her to accomplish things on her own, just like my
25:04
parents raised me. Other appraisers went through the exact same
25:08
process that Cassidy did, and I'll be honest, my administration
25:13
started fixing that process and it was way too difficult. Okay,
25:18
So that's really the one part of that thing we
25:20
need to hear say. It's like, yeah, man, I had
25:22
nothing to do with it. I'm gonna be real. We
25:24
changed some ship though to make it easier because it
25:26
was really unfair. It was too hard. I mean, let's
25:29
be real like, and I'll be honest, it had to
25:31
change because it's it is unfortunately too difficult. So yes, her, Well,
25:36
it turns out that all this attention on sweet young
25:40
Cassidy has been way too much, and now she is,
25:45
I guess ready to throw it in And I just
25:47
want to read this this sort of excerpt from the AP.
25:49
GNOME's daughter, Cassidy Peters, slammed a legislative inquiry and news
25:53
reporting on the episode in a letter to Secretary of
25:56
Labor Marcia Holtman. She also released a document that alleged
26:00
it of Committee was seeking to subpoena Oh okay, so
26:03
someone was looking so it was like pois lawmakers were
26:06
zeroing in on the timeline of a meeting Gnome called
26:08
last year that included Peter's and key decision makers in
26:11
a government agency that had moved days earlier to deny
26:14
her application. Oh so here's the thing, as she's saying,
26:20
like she's gonna quit or like there's nothing to see here.
26:23
So I'm curious if she's trying to do that thing
26:24
where like maybe you stole something but then you like
26:27
you ditch it. So if like people start looking for
26:29
you could be like, I never I don't know I
26:31
have it, I never really had it, So maybe you
26:33
don't have to care about this anymore. Like it's kind
26:35
of like her energy. Here's sort of like oh ship
26:38
Subpoena's here's this other thing, which leads us to the
26:41
next part, which he says, quote, I am writing you today.
26:44
This is her writing to the Secretary of Labor. I
26:47
am writing to you today to express my disappointment and
26:51
anger that my good name and professional reputation continue to
26:54
be damaged by questions and misinformation concerning the appraiser certification program.
27:00
She went on to say that she would turn in
27:01
her fucking appraiser license by the end of the year.
27:04
End of the year, though I'm angry, and I can
27:09
acknowledge that this has successfully destroyed my business. M hmm,
27:14
I mean you hate to see it. It's a assassination.
27:18
It's a character assassination of somebody who dared to be like,
27:25
this test is too hard. Yeah, that is. That's just
27:30
an amazing, like comedy moment of someone sitting down to
27:34
a test like that everyone's taking and just like stamp
27:38
being like, yo, this is too hard. Right, I'm sorry
27:42
what this is too hard? Or maybe you didn't prepare.
27:47
I don't know, Like it's like full strike sand effect too.
27:50
By calling attention to it's made it such a worse
27:53
problem than it would initially be. I love that. Why
27:56
women are getting the bulness of old white guys and terms.
28:00
It's like, well, too little Tommy, I had a hard
28:02
time on the geometry tests, so I'm going to sue
28:05
the school board. Oh god, white women are occurs as
28:10
a white woman, I would like to just say, and
28:12
you know, white women are are exercising nepotism too, like
28:16
their male counterparts have been hearing for so many years.
28:19
What a nightmare. I mean, look, I would love a
28:21
little nepotism. There's a show, there's a track that we
28:24
just went out on recently called the mission, and that's
28:26
like this black singer or something about like how much
28:28
he would yearn to have his kids experience a little nepotism,
28:32
and that's the mission. But yeah, this this defense again,
28:36
it's like, how dare you point out that my mother
28:38
abused her power of her office to make my life
28:42
easier all while the regular working poor people had to
28:46
just do it with their bootstraps and also misinformation for
28:50
good measures. She through that word in there. I'm surprised
28:52
she didn't evoke the holy Trinity of right, the right
28:56
wing scapegoat trinity of basically being like it's George Sorow,
29:00
Antifa and Black Lives Matter once again, critical race theory.
29:07
I'm sure that Antony Morrison's beloved. I mean, the stream
29:14
of consciousness storytelling in that book completely upended my business.
29:20
I'm sorry, I'm an s A T. Proctor. This test
29:24
is too hard, this is not fair. I object as
29:28
this is not fair. Anyways, just shout out to I
29:31
I do. I hope this does not dissuade anybody from
29:34
subpoenaing the records and you know, let letting us know,
29:38
because I really want to see like the test, like
29:40
what she turned in. What what what we're looking at,
29:43
like the her first draft of like trying to get
29:46
this ship done. I want to see the questions that
29:50
she got wrong. Yeah, so keep keep it moving for
29:53
us folks. All right, Well, let's talk about schools. Let's
29:56
talk about schools being unfair. Yeah, speaking of that, because
30:00
you know, in addition to pouring billions of dollars into
30:03
the sweatpant industry, the pandemic has changed a lot about
30:07
how we think about schooling because parents had to had
30:11
to do it. I had to like sit there with
30:13
their kids while they were trying to learn. It was
30:16
very difficult. But you know, at the end of there
30:20
was an unprecedented rise in fs, which you know, it
30:25
feels it feels like that is one way to deal with,
30:30
like the fact that a complete act of God that
30:35
nobody had any control over came in and made it
30:39
much harder for kids to learn is to blame it
30:42
on the kids and you know, make the rest of
30:45
their lives harder by just flunking them. But a bunch
30:49
of school boards have been coming together to try to
30:53
address this issue, figure out like how they can change
30:57
how we think about schooling and you know, how we
31:01
judge students in a way that will be more fair
31:05
and more appropriate to the modern world, right, because apparently,
31:09
like the the letter grade thing was invented like a
31:14
hundred years ago or I guess, and twenty day back
31:17
to and the reason that it stuck is because it
31:22
became like very common in the how we graded meat,
31:27
and so that's that's how it got like sort of
31:33
became such a grade, right, rate F beef, that's my question. Like,
31:44
oh man, my grandfather used to tell a funny story
31:47
as the parent of German immigrants who didn't speak a
31:49
ton of English, that a bunch of kids which just
31:51
lie to their parents about what the grading scale meant.
31:53
So it was like F was fine, Dan was damn fine,
31:57
CEE was could do better, B was bad and as
32:00
awful son. I mean, you know, it has a certain
32:05
sort of a sense to it. But kids won't be
32:07
able to get away with that ship anymore apparently. But
32:10
I like the things that they're you know, looking to
32:15
change are basically they want kids to be judged based
32:20
on how mastery of the skill they're trying to learn.
32:24
So if they have learned it well enough to do it,
32:28
then they get by. If they haven't done that, then
32:33
they have to keep going. But like which I assumed
32:37
is like how teachers were thinking about the letter grades
32:39
to write like that, oh well they haven't learned math,
32:42
but they're pointing out that, like they're stupid things that
32:46
go into somebody failing, like you know, missing a class
32:51
or not following directions, and so they're trying to do
32:55
away with that sort of thing, right, yeah, go ahead.
33:00
I mean all that ship did for me was just
33:02
obsess over being and then like scoring above nine on
33:07
tests because that was a threshold for an A. And
33:11
half the time it was just I mean it was
33:14
funny too, because I think the letter I think because
33:17
culturally I was so sort of oriented to be like
33:20
these fucking a's better be hitting on this card when
33:23
I see it. That like it put into me like, fuck,
33:26
I gotta do anything to get in a more than
33:28
even being like I gotta do whatever it takes to learn.
33:31
This became more about you know, can I cramp memory
33:34
recall the funk out of this for a test? And also,
33:37
truth be told, I hated science. I just started cheating
33:39
in science because I was like, funk that I'm not
33:41
sucking my grades though, Yeah, I'll fucking I will. I
33:44
will order the teacher's edition of this physics book and
33:47
do I have the test already? So thank you. It's
33:50
so real, though, it's like you're not learning things. You're
33:53
just like, let me learn the structure of the eyeball
33:55
for this biology quiz and then not retain a lick
33:58
of it for any future. Are sort of like things.
34:01
But guys, what about our permanent records? It's going to
34:04
go on our permanent records? Oh my god, I haven't
34:08
even heard you know. You fucked me up just saying
34:10
that out loud. This is gonna be on your permanent record, y'all?
34:13
Like this is gonna Yeah, It's like I never saw it,
34:17
didn't exist about this. He said you were full of shit,
34:22
and they're like, well, we'll talk about that at the
34:23
parent teacher for any children listeners, Like, not a day
34:27
goes by where my permanent record from middle school is
34:30
not dangling over my head by the police, by the
34:33
I R. S, Banks, employers, everything, the doctor. But yeah,
34:38
so La and San Diego Unified school districts are directing
34:43
teachers too, and this sounds like what they should have
34:45
already been doing based academic grades on whether students have
34:48
learned what was expected of them during a course, and
34:51
not penalize them for behavior, work habits, and missed deadlines.
34:57
It's like, yeah, motherfucker, that that's how we should have
35:00
always been doing it. Because the school closures that happened
35:04
disproportionately affected the grids of black and Latin X students.
35:08
So yeah, right, I mean, it's it's it's interesting too write,
35:13
and I'm sure there's plenty of alternative schools that take
35:16
this into account because I feel like that's just a
35:17
huge focus area for people in education. But like I
35:21
think it's like the stakes are just so high, like
35:24
they feel so high in this like a through f
35:26
system that it will either create like kids will either
35:30
very quickly be like Okay, fuck it, I can like
35:32
rise to this situation or check out because it just
35:35
becomes frustrating, you know, and even if they can, like
35:37
I have so many friends who were more than capable
35:40
of being in AP classes, but like the momentum of
35:43
like academia and like being sort of told like you're
35:46
kind of like a C student, It's like no, man,
35:48
his parents were fighting all the time, and he was
35:50
distracted and couldn't do his fucking homework like other kids
35:53
or whatever. Like that's sort of what's happening here. You know,
35:56
he's not gonna like this mainstream media. I feel like
35:59
the mains stream media is a society of straight A
36:03
students got into that and or a lot of students
36:08
go ahead and buy on depotism and you know who
36:14
like actually think and I think a lot of you know,
36:17
just a lot of like the people empower in America,
36:21
Well not like this, because there is a belief that like,
36:25
well I went to a better college and that means
36:29
not that I'm I had more opportunities, but that I'm
36:33
like actually smarter and need to like be in control
36:36
and like making these decisions that affect other people because
36:39
I need to make them for them. Like that is
36:42
definitely under like under girding like a lot of how
36:48
people think, and I think the media and the world
36:51
of finance, and like that's also how they justified just
36:55
the generally fucked up way that our society is built out.
37:00
So like the idea that what do you mean my
37:03
kid can't get straight a's Like that's but it's a
37:07
competition based market, I mean society that we have. I'm
37:11
glad we've like started having this conversation about gifted kids
37:14
and like that whole escalator of madness. Like I don't
37:18
know if you guys like we talked too much about
37:20
it on Twitter, I will say, and there have been
37:22
too many things in the sort of like former gifted
37:24
kids do this. But I don't know, Like I myself
37:28
and a lot of my friends, it's like, you know,
37:29
we've been grinding since we were five, like this, it's
37:33
not fun anymore. Like I got all the a's, I
37:36
did all the right stuff, I still can't buy a
37:38
fucking house, Like I am taking a breather and smoking
37:41
some weep like I am not. Like yeah, it's I
37:45
hope parents are like loosening the reins on some of
37:48
that stuff too, and realizing that, like if every kid
37:51
gets straight a's and every kid does all the right
37:53
sort of like extracurriculars, like you're still in the same
37:57
boat when things like COVID happened. So I don't know,
38:01
but I I can, like see the Fox News segment
38:04
on this. Now it's gonna be like tied to the
38:05
war on Christmas. It's like the war on report cards,
38:10
woke woke report cards, where work cards are now woke
38:13
because it's even now too hard to hear that you
38:15
have failed at something. Yeah, sure, but I mean I
38:19
think it goes along with this other thing too, Like this,
38:21
these studies constantly come out like again, they're showing like
38:25
and like Harvard, like white students that were admitted were
38:27
like recruited athletes. Legacy students are like on the Dean's
38:31
interest list, meaning like parents gave money, and you're saying
38:34
forty three percent of those kids going to Harvard are
38:38
there because of not I'm sure of like the hardcore
38:41
merit based admissions that many of the other students face.
38:44
But there's just always these levels to like it's never
38:47
the same scale fight to everyone. So it would be
38:51
interesting to see where something where it's like, yeah, I
38:53
guess what in this version, this kid too will be
38:55
treated as a valid applicant to a school because we
38:59
have a more just sort of holistic, even keeled way
39:02
of saying like, yep, this kid knows that this kid
39:04
does too. We are the best of the best of
39:08
billion of the children. But so there are reason to
39:12
believe that this is a better pristance. There's a school
39:17
in New York City that tried this, basically did away
39:21
with letter grades, and it was a middle school, and
39:25
they say in this Washington Post article quote, the approach
39:28
has been transformative. In the fourteen school years, seven percent
39:33
of its students read at grade level and five percent
39:36
met the state's math standards. Two years later, twenty nine
39:38
percent were proficient in English, twenty six percent proficient in math,
39:42
pulling the school close to the city average, just by
39:45
getting rid of these standards of past fail and like
39:49
the I also feel like there's like there are a
39:52
lot of great teachers like I. I've had a lot
39:55
of great teachers. I've also seen teachers who feel empowered
40:00
because they get to be like past fail, I get
40:05
to pass judgment on these kids lives. Fucking miss heacocks,
40:09
I still remember your ass. I don't think we've forgotten.
40:13
Yeah she tried. But guess what, I'm good at math,
40:16
So there's you can't hold me down. There are some
40:20
teachers that are just like straight sabers, and you know,
40:23
to say not to malign the many many wonderful, dedicated
40:27
like this is their life's work. Teachers in the world.
40:29
But you do think back on some of those teachers
40:31
you had, You're like, what was your deal? Man? Like
40:34
what was going on here? Like, right, I had this
40:37
like older person just take all their like life's anger
40:40
out on me. Like legit. When I look back, and
40:42
you kind of have the wherewithal to understand like human
40:44
behavior a little bit more outside of like the academic
40:47
or like child adult dynamic, I was like, Yo, you
40:52
were so fucking unhappy with your life and you just
40:56
got your jollyes off walking in here and just acting
41:00
a fool like that was really that was the loop
41:02
you were caught in. Unfortunately we were calling you the teacher. Yeah,
41:07
but again, like you're saying, I've luckily had so many
41:10
good teachers that, like I could tell I was maybe
41:13
like starting to check out or whatever. I was just distracted.
41:16
I'd rather funk around or something. And they would always
41:18
come like kind of you know, gass you up and
41:21
be like, hey man, you're smart, like you can do
41:23
this ship like just do it. I'm like, all right,
41:25
you got well. And that's such a problem with like
41:26
contemporary schooling too, is like we all have such specific
41:29
ways of learning and retaining information and teachers have to
41:33
figure out the thirty different styles of that for every
41:36
kid in their class, every period. Teachers should be making
41:39
like five grand a year. Yeah, they should be the
41:43
ballers of the earth. Like if you go to a
41:45
nightclub and they're coming through a bottle service and the
41:47
fucking flares, you're like, oh, you know the teachers in
41:49
the building. There should be a bunch of ugly sweaters
41:52
at the booth that those Yeah, just like sipping in
41:55
the crystal. Yeah, like shout out all the teachers in
41:59
the building. We've got to want drinks for teachers. I
42:03
like this club. All right, we're going to take a
42:05
quick break and we'll be right back to find out
42:08
why red wine is like weed. Seriously, you guys, And
42:22
we're back, and yeah, it seems like everybody wants to
42:26
get on the legal weed bandwagon. The approval rating for weed,
42:31
I feel like it's just shot through the roof. Oh yeah,
42:34
another conservative see like the revenue potential, Like they're introducing
42:39
fucking bills now, Like, yeah, we didn't decriminalize weeds, folks.
42:42
I don't know what the fuss going on with everybody, man,
42:44
but you criminalized weeds. Yeah, immediately you're like, okay, sure,
42:51
but yeah, I mean weed is uh, you know, becoming
42:54
more and more normal and there. But here's the thing, man, Like,
42:58
so there's these studies it's like the weed like things
43:02
the from working out will enter your body, which I understand.
43:05
Like there's always like headlines like that were like this
43:08
computer algorithm invented the new heroin, or like chocolate consumption
43:13
links to longer life, and you're like, I like that
43:16
as a headline. I'm not gonna look into it much
43:18
more than that because I like the idea that me
43:20
eating this chocolate will extend my life. And then you
43:23
look into it, you're like, there's properties within chocolate, like
43:25
in this very narrow study when you used this way
43:28
had a better effect for like mice. And then you're like, well,
43:31
that has nothing to do with me eating this gigantic
43:33
Thanksgiving pie from reesus. So in this sense, you know,
43:37
it's like the sensational mixed with the scientific, and it
43:39
usually drives a lot of clicks because you like hearing things.
43:43
It's like weed makes you smarter, and you're like, okay, great,
43:46
and then you look you're like, maybe this wasn't the
43:49
hardest of sciences. But this one was very interesting and
43:52
just saying like red wine is like it's giving people
43:55
like a weed type feeling. And this was the sort
43:57
of subheading under this study quote red wine induces psychological
44:02
states characterized by Bliss, a focus on the present moment
44:05
and enhanced fascination with one surroundings, and a softening of
44:09
the differentiation between oneself and the environment, where when consumed
44:13
in a tranquil environment, According to a new research study,
44:18
I said, oh, okay, this is the first time I
44:21
started to wonder, and it would it would be like
44:24
the end of Usual Suspects when he starts like seeing
44:27
all the things that Kayser says it was on the
44:30
bottom of the mug. Yeah, Like is there a big
44:34
red wine? Like is there a big wine? That is
44:36
like putting all these studies out because I feel like
44:39
all my life, all I've heard is like red wine
44:41
is actually like basically fucking health food. You guys like
44:46
it's kind of crazy that we don't let kids drink
44:48
red wine because it would make them live till they're
44:51
a thousand years old and make them smarter. Hey, snoop dogg,
44:55
here's three billion bucks to say weeds the red wines
44:58
the new weed. Yeah for shizzle, I guess it is
45:01
red whistle, but yeah, maybe there is big red Wine.
45:07
Oh yeah, you know they were behind that. This was
45:11
like five or six years ago, but I read I
45:13
don't even know what publication was in, but it was
45:15
about big kale and how kale suddenly became like a
45:17
sexy vegetable again, And it was because they dumped like
45:21
millions of dollars into marketing kale as this like super
45:25
food when it had been garnish on like buffet, pizza, salad, buffets.
45:31
Pizza Hut was the biggest consumer of kale to buffet
45:35
for all the nineties because those red cups. Yeah, just
45:39
because they used it as the garnish in between like
45:42
things on the And then there is a big red
45:45
wine because they've realized to a bunch of like wine
45:48
moms who realized that we eat is like easier to
45:50
deal with on a daily basis than red wine. It's
45:53
the same thing like with Rose. Like Rose definitely had
45:56
a huge push from I guess whatever. They're quick enough.
46:00
Lobbyists are, but like you know, their consultants who go
46:02
out and like we're like, hey man, it's all about rose.
46:05
Here we go. But yeah, so this study, You're like, Okay,
46:09
I guess what red wine will make you feel like
46:11
Matthew McConaughey or you're transpending space time and like your
46:15
connections to oneself are enhanced. So I'm like, okay, well,
46:19
what's the methodology around this? Exactly? Because again, very interesting,
46:24
you know proposal from this abstract. So you go in
46:26
and say, well, what's going on? The methodology fucking sounds
46:29
like some ship I would have tried in the in
46:30
the eleventh grade, because it's not. Really the methodology isn't
46:34
that great. They essentially had people fill out a questionnaire
46:39
at a fucking wine bar where people who fucking love
46:43
wine are already hanging out, And I just want to
46:46
read it from this article quote. After arriving at the
46:48
wine bar and being seated at the table, the participants
46:51
completed questionnaires regarding their demographics, drinking habits, and smoking habits.
46:54
They also completed various measures of altered states of consciousness.
46:57
The participants were asked to drink two glasses blah blah blah,
47:00
and then they said after they finished their second glass
47:03
of wine, the participants completed the measures of altered states
47:06
of consciousness. Again, Now, I'm not a scientist, although I
47:10
always say I am on this show, and I apologize
47:12
to listeners that have believed my science advice. But isn't
47:14
it like not good to tell people in a study that, like,
47:18
here's the thing we're gonna measure you, measure you on
47:21
on the other side of this too, like I feel
47:23
like you'll you'll, you'll stealth it in the many questions
47:26
or something so they can't quite pick up on what's
47:28
being asked, so your answers aren't biased. But you have
47:32
to do like double blind studies where and usually like
47:36
they'll lie to you about what the studies like in
47:38
a well designed study, they'll like lie to you about
47:41
what it is, like what that they're testing, so that
47:44
you're not thinking about the thing that they're actually testing.
47:47
This sounds like it is like already people who have
47:50
a concerted interest in thinking it's cool and healthy to
47:54
drink wine since they're at a wine bar, and then
47:57
they're like, hey, we just want to know like how
47:58
cool and healthy it is for the one, so like
48:01
that's what we're gonna be asking you about. Right. It's
48:04
like how I was able to crack like the quantum physics,
48:08
like wildest equation with the help of meth. I was
48:11
told to you by people who are addicted to meth.
48:13
It's like, well, hold on, like, who is this group now? Yeah? Yeah,
48:17
I'm way more interested in people who like don't drink
48:20
or rarely having those effects, Like yeah, if you're at
48:23
a wine bar drinking wine, you're probably having a pretty
48:26
good time to begin with. Not the most sort of
48:30
sterile or like neutral venue for such a study, But
48:34
he's the thing. You're like, Okay, well, then what about
48:37
the control group? There was none. There wasn't even a
48:42
control group, And I'm gonna just read these people are
48:47
like what this is not? How dare people even post
48:50
this SIDS quote. Some people may argue that the lack
48:53
of a control group drinking non non alcoholic beverage impeded
48:57
us to examine the effects of just being in a
48:58
pleasant wine bar. However, this is unlikely to have influenced
49:02
the results because when we were doing the study, it
49:05
was clear that for most people, sitting in a wine
49:08
bar drinking a non alcoholic beverage would have been a
49:10
boring an average experience. What what yo? Was the study
49:17
designed and conducted by Christie Elms daughter. I feel like
49:21
we were doing this study really defensive. In contrast, the
49:28
effects we observed were of a highly positive nature. But
49:31
because some researchers may not be aware of how boring
49:34
control conditions with non alcoholic drinks can be, in these cases,
49:37
we would include one in the next study that science guys,
49:44
that's like your eighth grade science teacher like being like, no,
49:48
you did not do this experiment correctly. Look, if you
49:53
were there in the backyard like doing this experiment, you
49:56
wouldn't know that it's stupid too, Like you wouldn't even
49:59
done it. I guess I'll do over the next one. Plus,
50:01
they missed an opportunity because it's really fun to give
50:04
people a nonalcoholic beverage and tell them they're getting drunk
50:08
and see, like how wild that could just I mean,
50:11
that really should have been it to be like people
50:13
that you could have been like people at wine bars
50:15
are full of ship y'all. Let me tell you why,
50:17
because we gave them fucking juice and they said they
50:20
were feeling one with the universe. Then the one of
50:24
the sort of authors of the city just went on
50:26
again just to kind of clarify, Like, I'm not saying
50:29
we wine's gonna do all this, but this quote. I
50:32
believe that the appreciation of red wine and other alcoholic
50:34
beverages can be increased when we are more aware of
50:37
its effects on the mind. It also, it's also possible
50:41
that being aware of the effects of alcohol on consciousness
50:45
contribute contributes to healthier drinking styles by reducing impulsive drinking
50:49
that is characterized by lack of awareness. However, research is
50:53
needed to confirm this. Okay, folks, we're out o man.
50:59
So what they have the two things that they've discovered
51:03
People at wine bar enjoy wine. That's good study to
51:07
study for that second bullet point, like wines pretty good.
51:12
Like alcohol is not that bad after to drinks, just
51:15
like don't drinking, which like everybody knows, Like that's yeah,
51:19
if everybody just stopped at to drinks, that'd be great.
51:21
We wouldn't have the problems that we do with alcohol.
51:25
But that is not news to anybody, right. I know
51:28
some people with some wine stained teeth that will absolutely
51:32
uh yeah, I'm talking about this. I feel like wine
51:36
became the new beer of like because it was beer
51:39
in the nine News with the like, oh, I drink,
51:41
but I like drink on the lighter side of things,
51:43
and then it switched to become wine. I don't know.
51:46
I quit drinking a couple of years ago because I
51:47
have a bum stomach. And it is fascinating to like
51:50
be in a bunch of context where people are drinking
51:52
and like some people are legitimately horrified, but you like,
51:55
don't drink anymore, guys. It's not like a personal affront
52:01
to you. I just like I have to do this.
52:02
And I threw up, like that's not fun. You're saying
52:06
I have a dry I drink too much, right, I'm
52:08
like I'm probably high right now, Like I'm not a
52:11
judgment right, Yeah, interesting to see who really gets upset
52:18
when you're not drinking, because it's so like baked into
52:21
the fabric of so many things, and it's like, you know,
52:23
you hear people be like, oh, well, I can't do
52:25
that till I have a couple of drinks or like
52:27
you know, I need to get a little toasty, and
52:29
you're like, dude, not until I've had my wine? Yeah
52:33
really okay, all right? And finally I just wanted to
52:37
Every once in a while, we like to check him
52:39
with Netflix to see who's watching what, and they just
52:42
issued a overall list of the top TV that's ever
52:48
been available for streaming on Netflix, in the top films
52:51
that's ever been available, And yeah, I would I would
52:54
love to hear kate your thoughts on this. The big takeaway,
52:57
the big update is this is post squid Game, and
53:01
so the previous high had been Bridgetin at s million
53:07
hours viewed and now we have squid Game season one
53:13
at one point six billion, so it's almost triple the
53:18
previous high, and like the the second most watch show.
53:23
So like everything else is pretty much where where was
53:27
last time we checked that. I don't see too much
53:29
that's new you. It seems to be room. Uh yeah
53:35
you all right, you are running up the charts. Yeah wait,
53:39
hold on, I was on Netflix, Laura, give it a
53:42
fucking rest. Okay, So I guess I'm interested in hearing
53:51
your thoughts on like trends you're seeing broadly across the
53:54
types of screenplays they are like being greenlit and written
53:57
and like, I don't know, it seems like a socialist
54:02
critique of capitalism, like resonating with audiences, like like what
54:08
has been a revelation to a lot of people like
54:11
we're we're writers already on the case. Do you think
54:13
that that is going to be a new trend or
54:16
what are your thoughts on all that? I mean, let
54:18
us hope. So I do think it's incredibly fascinating that,
54:21
like the number one Netflix TV show of all time
54:24
is an international show that, like I'm not saying nobody
54:27
in Hollywood would have taken a chance on, but like
54:30
the creator has talked about, he got passes for like
54:33
ten years and then suddenly it becomes this monster hit
54:36
on Netflix. And I think it's a good lesson in
54:39
being like fuck the trends, like funk what everybody else says,
54:43
like make the thing you want to make and make
54:45
it well, and like the audience will find itself. I am.
54:49
I'm really interested that Netflix is sort of switching their
54:52
metric from the like two minutes watch to like what
54:55
is it now? An hour or like half of whatever
54:58
the thing is. It's not old Facebook style, but like
55:03
two minutes watched, you're like, yeah, that's like I went
55:05
to get a drink after my thing ended and two
55:08
minutes of Red Notice played. I did not watch Red
55:10
Notice like that. The Red Notice that is wild to
55:14
me though, that they're saying, what is it seventy four
55:16
million households watched Red Notice because like, I don't know
55:19
anybody who did um, But yeah, you know, I think
55:24
it's an interesting time for content. I am hoping we
55:27
keep on this trend of like, at least in the
55:29
immediate future. I don't want to see any media about COVID,
55:32
Like I don't want any topical like, oh, it's like
55:36
of the moment. We're like, we're like all the people
55:39
were like, oh, guys, but during Trump, we're going to
55:41
get so much good art. Like we did not, folks,
55:44
we did not get a bunch of good Trump art.
55:46
There's that one X Files episode that was like literally it.
55:50
But yeah, you know, it is interesting, Like I think
55:52
people are craving more if this sort of like feel
55:55
good escapist stuff like if ted Lasso comes out two
55:58
years ago, I don't know fit has the same sort
56:01
of reaction it does in the pandemic when everybody is
56:04
home and like on the other side of that coin,
56:06
I don't think everybody is like feeling bad watching five
56:09
episodes of Tiger King if they're not like immediately quarantined.
56:13
But I don't know. I think the thing that's most
56:15
excited about streaming to me, just like generally, is that
56:18
we might see a little bit of a bounce back
56:20
in these sort of like middle budget movies that have
56:23
been really swallowed up in the theatrical It's like you're
56:26
either going super Indie Awards route or you're going huge
56:29
tent pole for a studio. And there have been to
56:32
some things I feel like that have been popping up
56:33
on streaming that are a little bit more in that
56:35
middle zone. So that's definitely exciting to me. Like bird Boxes,
56:40
I guess that was like kind of a like there
56:43
were a lot of effects and it had to create
56:45
a post Puck elliptic reality, but it wasn't like what
56:48
it wasn't like pre existing I p And it wasn't
56:51
you know. An extraction is just basically a straight down
56:54
the middle like action movie that used to be made
56:57
in like the eighties and early nineties but not really
56:59
so much any more. Yeah, the Extraction when they're is
57:01
fascinating to me that that's like one of the most
57:04
watch movies on the platform. And then The Irishman, which
57:07
cost a ton of money but like it's all on
57:10
the screen too, so you're like, Okay, like Martin, you
57:14
get to Happy Birthday short Kang Martin Scorsese yesterday. But yeah,
57:17
I think these trends are gonna be really interesting, especially
57:20
as people like Scorsese are making like, you know, a
57:22
hundred million dollar movies for Apple, which is his next one. Yeah,
57:26
I think, you know, I don't know, Like sometimes I
57:29
feel good, what I'm depressed to watch something like really
57:32
feel bad and nihilistic, But like, I don't know, after
57:35
the last couple of years, you're like, I don't know
57:36
how much brain bandwidth I have for anything, let alone somethings. Yeah,
57:41
it's gonna make me feel terrible, so I will just
57:44
watch another episode of Bake Off. Do you like? I
57:50
think do you think that there's because I've been wondering
57:53
if we're not headed for a like time when conservative
57:58
like in the eighties, you know, conservative media was kind
58:02
of a thing, or like the Reaganism was kind of
58:05
a thing. Do you foresee that or like, have you
58:09
seen any trends towards that in like the screenplays are
58:13
getting made, or like just any like regressing a little
58:17
bit in that sense. Yeah, I mean I think this
58:19
moment that we're in in terms of justlike new satanic
58:22
panic or like all of the shady ship that's been
58:25
going on around credit card companies and banks and sex
58:28
workers and the sort of like you know, crushed to
58:32
to make everything, like I don't know, more palatable for
58:36
all audiences, or like I don't know, I noticed this
58:39
all the time on Twitter, like people being like I
58:42
had a hard time with this piece of media. So
58:44
it's like inherently terrible to portray this subject because it
58:48
was triggering to me, which I think is an interesting
58:50
conversation to have. But I also don't think we can
58:53
just like dismiss media wholesale because like it was upsetting
58:57
to us, like you know, a very a specific person.
59:01
I don't mean in the sense of like you know,
59:03
Chappelle making the transfers. That's a different conversation, but like,
59:07
you know, the shitty boyfriend in this thing reminds me
59:10
of my former shitty boyfriends, So the whole thing is
59:12
bad and we should canceled it. Like that's a different,
59:15
different line of thinking. But yeah, I mean, I think
59:17
you'll get to see some of these like new conservative movies. Um,
59:21
like what's Ben Shapiro doing like that whole school shooting movie. Yeah,
59:29
it's a it's a no thanks for me, folks, but yeah,
59:32
I mean the thing I always point to with this
59:34
is like, you know, there are a bunch of those
59:35
like inspirational Jesus e movies that get made every year,
59:39
and they seem like they fly under the radar. But
59:41
then you look and you're like, oh, this movie cost
59:44
two million dollars and made forty million dollars and I've
59:46
ever heard of it. Like yeah, so I don't know,
59:50
I'm sure leaving money on the table. Yeah, you know,
59:53
you can write the funk out of a Jesus movie.
59:55
That'd be like, this is one of the best ones
59:57
I've ever seen. Yeah, to keep it holy. You know,
1:00:01
I speak the language. I was indoctrinated for K through twelve,
1:00:05
So yeah, I'll stay in bounced. But yeah, it's gonna
1:00:07
be interesting. I feel like, you know, this sort of
1:00:10
like like all the parents who were outraged about Disney
1:00:14
putting like, you know, sort of content warnings on some
1:00:16
of the more problematic older movies and stuff. I don't know, like,
1:00:21
you know, at what point do those folks totally give
1:00:23
up on like traditional media and start doing their own
1:00:26
thing because it's too biased or too woke or whatever.
1:00:29
But you know, I don't know. I don't see those
1:00:31
Disney adults giving it up. No no, no, no, no no.
1:00:35
So it's religion, it's religion. I mean, my my the
1:00:39
thing is that the way that they've taken like the
1:00:43
legitimate complaints of you know, people of color or you know,
1:00:48
people who are poor and people who like don't have
1:00:51
enough money to have healthcare in America, Like, the way
1:00:55
they've taken those is they've like made it into like
1:00:59
converse stations about like warnings on Disney movies. And I
1:01:02
think by doing that they are making like that those
1:01:08
initial legitimate complaints seem ridiculous. And so that's what that's
1:01:13
where my area of concern is, is that that becomes
1:01:18
the mainstream like I thought people have when they hear
1:01:22
woke or they hear like anything coming from the left,
1:01:25
is like, oh, you just like are worried about like
1:01:27
content warnings or whatever. And I think they're kind of
1:01:30
succeeding in doing that. And I'm a little worried about that. Yeah,
1:01:34
I don't know too. I think we've had we have
1:01:35
a real problem in American media right now in terms
1:01:38
of how we're exploring class, Like I don't know, like
1:01:41
my favorite movie is Pretty in Pink, right, nobody's idea
1:01:43
of like a great cinematic masterpiece. But you think about
1:01:46
like that movie at its core is about class and
1:01:48
about rich boy, poor girl and how that affects their relationship.
1:01:52
And like grew up in the nineties, we had things
1:01:55
like you know, like Roseanne or like a different world
1:01:58
that we're sort of like delving in to class and
1:02:00
how it affects people's lives. And we're living in this
1:02:03
incredible moment where like a lot of folks are getting
1:02:06
wise to the fact that the system is and has
1:02:08
been screwing us for many, many years, And you would
1:02:11
think that we'd be seeing more media sort of address
1:02:13
those big classifiedes. And I think something like Squitch game
1:02:16
shows that people have a real appetite for it. Yeah,
1:02:20
but you're like, why aren't we making more of this,
1:02:22
Like where is the sort of like today's Roseanne? Because like,
1:02:26
you know, look, I think that as many like terrible
1:02:30
conservative people as there are in the world, I think
1:02:32
about like my dad's family, who's like, you know, a
1:02:35
bunch of Kentucky coal miners but have voted Democrat every election,
1:02:39
like have always leaned liberal. It's like there's nothing that
1:02:43
represents them, Like there's nothing that sort of speaks to
1:02:46
being like, you know, lower middle class are working poor
1:02:49
in America right now, when that's the reality for a
1:02:51
lot of people, and there are ways to do that
1:02:53
that it's not like eating your vegetables and not just
1:02:56
like social realism. I think that's why South Side is
1:03:00
a fucking it's like almost flawless, and that these people
1:03:03
have normal fucking jobs, and it's very centered in the
1:03:06
fact that it's not like, hey, we made it to
1:03:08
Hollywood and now we're famous, so now we can just
1:03:11
write from our experience now and leave all this other
1:03:13
ship behind. I think that's like one of the things
1:03:15
I love about Southside is that it really you're like,
1:03:19
oh ship, this feels very like working class and it's
1:03:22
touching on like what what just the day to day
1:03:25
would be, although very heightened for comedic purposes, but it's
1:03:28
still centered in like that world rather than I think
1:03:31
you look at most shows now it's like people who
1:03:33
live in impossible apartments with impossible incomes and there's no
1:03:37
real talk about it because it's about the it's about
1:03:39
the struggle with the characters, and while also feeding people
1:03:43
this idea, it's like, well, why aren't you rich like
1:03:45
these people on the screen. It's the difference between like, yeah,
1:03:49
they're they're Most shows just take place in the world
1:03:51
where money there. There is no financial reality, so like
1:03:55
it might as well not have gravity, Like that's how
1:03:58
like just oft it is. It's to pervade ace of
1:04:00
like carry lives in like an incredible apartment and they're
1:04:03
like Sherman Palladino shows like her shows are like that too,
1:04:07
or I'm like, I'm sorry, does she where's the childcare
1:04:11
for this woman's kids? If she's out doing open mics,
1:04:14
Like where's that discussion? But the like shows like Atlanta
1:04:18
and Squid Game like feel you know, revolutionary just by
1:04:23
being like no money is the thing. People need it
1:04:26
to survive and that is a central conflict of their lives.
1:04:30
And I think that goes to say, start empowering creators
1:04:34
writers who like are coming drawing from that experience rather
1:04:37
than like I feel like so many people now are
1:04:39
get in the habit of like, Okay, well this is
1:04:40
what's popping in the industry. This is what I'll try
1:04:43
and do on spec or whatever, rather than like creating
1:04:46
more momentum and say like, hey, your story about being
1:04:49
a fucking janitor or whatever. That's valid and guess what
1:04:53
more people do what you do than are Kendall roy
1:04:58
so well need escapism, Like I'm not arguing that, like, yeah,
1:05:03
that's fine, all that stuff can remain. We just need
1:05:05
more of the other side, more of the like counterweight,
1:05:08
because yeah, I think a lot of people would appreciate
1:05:11
like more sitcoms, more movies that are like speaking to
1:05:15
some actual real problem ship then like you know, another
1:05:19
another superhero origin story. You know, it may just be
1:05:23
like sort of at this moment where they the they
1:05:26
have people have to be aware of the level of
1:05:28
class consciousness that's existing in the content because it tends
1:05:32
to have a really potent effect on somebody watching. Like
1:05:35
Squid Game, people went, damn, that's just wild. They got
1:05:38
killed over red light, green light, And then by the
1:05:40
third episode people were like, comrade, I am ready to
1:05:44
bring the capitalist system down because it connects these things
1:05:47
in a very real way. And I think and if
1:05:50
I was some you know, whatever, if they're if the
1:05:53
Illuminati exists type person the people who are like looking
1:05:57
at what is happening in the world. You'd be like, yeah,
1:06:00
content like that actually has a lot of communicative power.
1:06:04
But yeah, well, will will we invest in that? I hope,
1:06:07
I hope we do, because more squid games please, we
1:06:10
need it. Left squid Game parties hosted by Chrissy Tag
1:06:13
I'm just completely missing the point. It's like, yeah, so
1:06:17
fun dying in this capitalist how whole, What a great
1:06:22
time with my girls. Let's plays for your organs. We'll
1:06:28
have real poor people at my party. Yeah, they're gonna
1:06:32
and they're legit poor people, Like it's crazy, like they
1:06:34
smell on everything, Like oh okay, okay. It's been such
1:06:39
a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find
1:06:42
you and follow you? Yeah? You find me on Twitter
1:06:44
and Instagram at that Hagen girl th h A t
1:06:47
h A g E n g r r l um.
1:06:51
You can find me related to Blacklist happenings. I'm on
1:06:54
a bunch of podcasts. Yeah, pop over on Twitter. That's
1:06:57
probably where I'm most active still and fortnately and uh,
1:07:03
is there a tweet or some of the work of
1:07:05
social media you've been enjoying. You know, we we've been
1:07:08
talking about weed a lot this episode, and there is
1:07:11
a meme that's been going around that is, if you're
1:07:14
ever sad, just remember the world is four point five
1:07:17
billion years old and you somehow managed to exist in
1:07:20
the same time as the weed pen, which is so true.
1:07:24
It's a good imagine telling your seventeen year old self
1:07:27
you would have just like a cool weed vape that
1:07:29
you can smoke anywhere. I have three pairs. I have
1:07:33
three outfits in my car to change in and out
1:07:35
of to smoke on my way to minimum wage job.
1:07:41
Miles Where can people find you with tweet you've been enjoying.
1:07:43
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
1:07:47
of Gray and also catch the other show four twenty
1:07:50
Day Fiance. Speaking of weed, where we talk about that's Sophia,
1:07:54
Alexandra and I some tweets that I like. First, one
1:07:57
is from Dana Bad is from Dana Donley's all account.
1:08:00
You just coxed her bro No, it's it's it's on there.
1:08:04
Come on now, come on now, I mean, or maybe not,
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think people might enjoy? This is a new band I
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just stumbled upon from I believe I want to say Germany.
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Let me just confirm that, yep, Leipzig. They are called
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Mutel Kabbala Power Ensemble and what they do is like
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a very interesting They sound like if like kids in
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Europe only listening to like Morning becomes Eclectic on k
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CRW and then start a band because they're all like
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these German guys, but they're playing the funk out of
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foundation is very much built in like world like world music,
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