There’s more news and less comprehension today than any historical period that didn’t involve literal witch trials, and trying to stay on top of it all can feel like playing a game of telephone with 30 people, except everyone’s speaking at the same time and like a third of them are openly racist for some reason. From Cracked co-founder Jack O’Brien, THE DAILY ZEITGEIST is stepping into that fray with some of the funniest and smartest comedic and journalistic minds around. Jack and co-host Miles Gray spend up to an hour every weekday sorting through the events and stories driving the headlines, to help you find the signal in the noise, with a few laughs thrown in for free.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-the-daily-zeitgeist-28516718/
episode 2: Anti-Vaxxers Are Libs Fault? Can Pence Win Over Zombie Trumpers? 9.21.21
In episode 992, Jack and Miles are joined by the host and correspondent for Vice News Reports Arielle Duhaime Ross to discuss the humanitarian crisis at the border, Pence thinks he can LEAD THE GOP? College students drinking less, smoking more, Seth Rogan Calls Out The Emmys On Not Being COVID Safe, The conservative logic loop is eating its own tail now and more!
FOOTNOTES:
- Humanitarian Crisis
- Pence thinks he can LEAD THE GOP?
- College students drinking...
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Speaker 1
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two or three,
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episode two of a production of I Heart Radio. This
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is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
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America's shared consciousness. It is Tuesday, September twenty twenty. Woman
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names Jack O'Brien a k look at my thighs. I'm Jacob,
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It's Jack and Miles on t dazy. I bring you
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cold gas, I bring you trends. It's every day. The
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show never ends. What is courtesy of the girl with
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the Kaiju tattoos. And I'm thrilled to be joined as
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always by my co host, Mr mild Gray. Hang around
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token by myself and I've had too much cold brew
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and I was reading about horse paste and there you will,
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eyes glued to us. Which, yeah, there he was in
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the zoom room on my screen. I smell doing cold gas.
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M who's that lounge in in that chair? Who's that
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flashing blinding thighs in my direction? Surely it must be Jacoby. Okay,
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shout out to Gingerfish on the discord, a newcomer to
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the Discord, and you're just dunking on us with that
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Marcy playground windmil a, thank you, Windmill three sixty dense
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Carter's first dunk of the Dunk Contest. What was I'm sorry?
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It was a cultural personality you know, you gotta you
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gotta the and was playing in my head, but it
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wasn't playing in anyone else's head, so maybe we'll cut
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that one down. Never never, well, we are thrilled to
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be joined by the correspondent and host of Vice News Reports.
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Before that, they hosted boxes technology podcast Reset, and they
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were the first climate change correspondent and American nightly news
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on the Emmy Award winning Vice News. Tonight. They were
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awarded the twenty nineteen Science and Society Journalism Award for
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a story they wrote about a predominantly black community living
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in a poor rural region of Alabama where failing septic
02:32
tanks and pools of rossa which had increased the risk
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of hookwarm and other infectious diseases. All of that to
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say they are a first rate guest on a second
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rate podcast. Please welcome, the talented, the esteemed, the brilliant R. L.
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Dham Ross. Thank you so much for having me, guys,
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really love that rendition of sex and candy so so good,
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like a really so enjoyable Thank you there's just there's
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just something about that song I've I've always felt connected to.
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I don't know, I feel like at a certain point
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it was playing on a loop at the mall I
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used to go to as a kid, like just all
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the time. It was also on the soundtrack for Cruel Intentions,
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a very important movie in my years. Oh of course. Yeah.
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When I picture Cruel Intentions, that can only picture the
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scary movie kiss like version of that. Is that what?
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It was? A scary movie that did the kiss with
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the like long section. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the saliva. Yeah, yeah,
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I know what you're talking about. Yeah, Like, that's all
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I've seen since then. And had you brought up any
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other movie, I still would have brought that scene. Know
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when I picked that movie? Uh, when I think off
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Tinker Taylor, Soldier, Spy, that kiss. Oh God, I really
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hope I'm right about the sex and candy being in
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the Cruel Intentions soundtrack, because if I'm not this, we
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definitely went on a tangent. You know what, if you're not,
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they failed because it would have been perfect for that
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soundtrack even if it wasn't on it exactly. Let me
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just look and just confirming it is not on there. Well,
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are you SI failed? Coming Up from Behind is a
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Marcy Playground behind one. Yes, that's that's the one. All right, Okay,
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at least the band actually made a song for yeah,
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and honestly for you to even know me multiple Marcy
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Playground songs, I think is a feat in and of itself.
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So that come Coming Up, Come Coming Up, Coming Up
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from Behind songs got a really good baseline. Yeah, exactly.
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And I gotta say people don't know this on that
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are listening to the podcast, but you are on some
05:03
new fangled iPad and when you were just doing your
05:07
little moves, it was giving a little bit of camera motions,
05:10
so you really brought a vibe to the zoom call.
05:12
So I really appreciate that. Oh well, thank you. It's
05:16
very cool program that I am immediately going to go
05:19
out and get because it just adds gravity tasted to
05:22
everything you do. You're struggling with technology before we started recording,
05:26
and it like did this slow push on your face
05:29
that made it made it? I don't know, I just
05:34
look perplexed trying to join the audio on this calling,
05:38
or like you're super deep in thought and contemplating the
05:42
world's problems. How has your a pandemic? Ben? I, I
05:47
can't remember when it was that we last talked. Yeah,
05:51
last time we talked, I think it was still a pandemic.
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How was it. How was your recent pandemic? Ben? It's
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been okay. You know. I I finally got to go
06:01
back to Canada, where I'm from, where I grew up
06:05
my family, and that was a big deal because that
06:07
hadn't happened in two years. Uh. So you know, it's um,
06:12
you know, we're hanging in there. Yeah. Nice. And you're
06:15
in New York right when you're in the States. Yeah, okay,
06:18
right now, how did you And like I ask every
06:20
guest he was over there, how how did you fare
06:22
during the inclement weather a few weeks ago? Oh? We
06:27
were fortunate. Our backyard because we have a yard, kind
06:30
of flooded a little bit. Uh And for a while there,
06:34
I was like, oh, there's a lake in the backyard,
06:36
but it didn't actually enter the apartment. So we were good,
06:39
really really fortunate. A lot of our friends in the
06:41
same neighborhood were not as fortunate. Yeah. And I'm always
06:46
curious because like I have, like half of my family
06:48
lived in Japan, and I haven't been able to see
06:50
them since the pandemic either. What was it like to
06:53
go home for for all that time? Was it just
06:57
like was it everything you thought it would be? Was
06:59
it less? Was it? Or that's a good question. You know.
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What was strange is that, like, because I hadn't seen
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my parents in two years, I had a little bit
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of I mean, we do zoom calls, but like it's
07:09
not like phone cameras were super detailed, and so I
07:13
had a little bit of a fear that I was like, Oh,
07:15
are they going to look like two years older? Like
07:18
that kind of for whatever reason, like it kind of
07:21
freaked me out that I would feel like so much
07:24
time had passed that I could actually notice a difference.
07:27
Unfortunately for them, they still look great. So actually I
07:31
didn't feel that and that you were able to embrace
07:34
them in your heart because they still looked good. Yes,
07:39
it was just because they still look for young, right,
07:46
So I still love them right great, But it was weird.
07:50
It was weird because my experience of the pandemic in
07:54
New York City was so different from there's in Montreal.
07:57
You know, like my sister to this day still doesn't
08:00
actually know somebody personally that she's like close to who's
08:03
had COVID and right exactly, And so like when you're
08:08
talking about like what the pandemic has been, like where
08:10
is they? And and also on top of that, they
08:12
have had a bunch of curfews. They had curfews that
08:16
lasted a really long time. And so it's like this
08:20
comparing notes situation where like we all experienced traumatic things,
08:25
but very very differently. You know, my my trauma was
08:28
like life and death trauma, and my sister's trauma was
08:32
like being at home all the time, feeling super confined
08:36
and more so than in than in Brooklyn. And so
08:39
it's just like it's just that that's weird, that that
08:41
feeling of like I think before I went, I felt like, oh,
08:45
we're all in this together. And then I went and
08:47
I was like, Nope, every country had a different pandemic, right,
08:51
and and we're not. It's not this big, universal, global
08:56
shared experience the way that I thought it was initially, right, Right,
09:00
makes sense. So we're gonna get to know you a
09:03
little bit better in a moment. First, just a few
09:06
of the things we're talking about. We're talking about the
09:08
humanitarian crisis, at the border in uh del Rio, Texas,
09:14
and just generally the inhumane border policies of all administrations
09:23
and ones that are especially poorly you know, suited to
09:27
our increasingly hot changed climate. We will talk about Mike
09:34
Pats apparently he thinks he can lead the GOP and
09:38
I'm I'm here, I want to see it. Yeah, I'm like,
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I believe in you. Get out there, do your thing.
09:46
Your base didn't want to like lynch you or anything.
09:48
So you're pretty sure you got this, Mike. Yeah, the confidence, sir.
09:55
We're gonna talk about how college students are drinking less,
09:57
smoking more. We're gonna talk about the Emmy's briefly, just uh,
10:04
the fact that they were not COVID safe, and then
10:08
we're going to talk about just a couple other responses
10:11
to you know, just we're seeing COVID logic bend into
10:17
all different kind of unique, uncomfortable shapes. So we'll we'll
10:22
talk about the conservative logic that thinks that liberals are
10:27
doing reverse psychology on them. All of that plenty more.
10:31
But first ri L, we like to ask our guest,
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what is something from your search history? Right? So from
10:38
my so all of my answers to all these questions
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all surround the same theme right now, so recent search history.
10:45
The thing that is predominant in my search history right
10:48
now is I'm looking for like really good cycling shorts
10:54
because I recently got into like biking, and I went
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on this like thirty no forty something mile bike ride
11:03
this weekend, and like my butt hurts, like my CITs bones,
11:08
like everything is in like deep deep pain, and now
11:11
I need to like gear up and actually buy actually
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good cycling gear so ignorant like the like the padded shorts.
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And I'm also looking for like a different bike seat
11:25
that has less padding compared because apparently that's better too.
11:28
So it's like my search history is all about biking
11:31
right now, and specifically about like my butt pain, how
11:37
but pain from biking. But seriously, though, like a road
11:41
bike gravel what kind of Yeah? I have a ten
11:43
year old road bike that I bought when I was
11:46
doing my undergraduate degree, and I never really got into
11:50
it very intensely. And then I moved to New York
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City and I was too scared to bike in New
11:53
York City. So but I have a bunch of friends
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who are very intense cyclists and they are building up
11:59
my confidence there take me on rides. I went through
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Central Park this weekend in Times Square and like contended
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with those those cars and it was a good experience.
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I'm also getting on my bike, but I have I
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just got an electric bike just to like kind of
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commune around, so I don't drive my car as much,
12:18
which is great, but part of it is I live
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in one of the most hostile places for someone to
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be on a bicycle, which is l a um and
12:27
I like you, like my partner, she goes to show
12:31
show bike into work, so she's like very comfortable on
12:34
the roads. I grew up almost getting hit by cars
12:37
to the point where I rode the role mostly would
12:39
ride my bike on the sidewalk, which is not supposed
12:41
to do, just to like avoid the stress of that.
12:44
But as I've gotten out more, I'm I can totally
12:46
identify with like the comfort level because like I at
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first hated cars like flying by me when I was
12:52
on a bike, And now you know, I'm like, okay,
12:54
I'm I'm learning my safety like sort of protocols. How
12:57
to keep my head on a swivel, know how to
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what to read my body to signal to other cars
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and things like that, and I'm slowly gaining that confidence. So, like,
13:05
defensive bike techniques are so important and I'm like slowly
13:10
learning them. Yeah, New York is no joke. I've I
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used to bike around New York a lot, and I
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have almost been sandwiched by a bus in between, like
13:21
a bus and a parked car. I don't know why
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I think Elie is more hostile. I think it's because
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I see more people in New York and like I
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don't give a fun And in that way, I'm like, oh,
13:31
it must be easy to bike, But when I'm on
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the sidewalks of New York, I'm like, man, I would
13:35
not biking this ship at all. Yeah. I guess it's
13:38
all about you know, learning, you know, learning environment and
13:40
getting used to it. Yeah. I'm just getting comfy on
13:43
my bike, you know. Yeah, I've definitely felt the pain
13:46
of not having the right My my cycling pants were
13:49
corduroy and uh yeah started off fire. Yeah, at one
13:55
point it was not good, just leaving a trail of
13:57
fabric behind you. What is something you think is overrated? Okay,
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So along this this like theme of biking here. You know,
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I've done spin classes I've tried a peloton bike in
14:10
the past, Like I think that's what's overrated. Like now
14:14
that I'm getting into like outdoor biking, it is just
14:19
better to just be outside to like the real life
14:23
effort of like real roads outdoors. It just feels so
14:27
much better. So like that's that's the overrated, underrated thing,
14:30
Like I think, I think I think spin classes are
14:33
super overrated. But who when you're biking around on the street,
14:38
who's telling you that you're killing it and just shouting
14:42
at you? So I will tell you my friend Dylan,
14:48
who takes me out on bike rides. The first bike
14:50
ride that we did together, we went like forty four
14:53
miles or something, and I had never done that much,
14:56
like not even close, like like my last my last
14:58
bike ride had probably been liked miles or like through
15:00
five miles. So he takes me out on the spike
15:03
ride and at the very end the last like five miles,
15:05
I was dying and he starts playing the theme to
15:08
Rocky next to me, like holding out his phone. My
15:13
friend Dylan is the answer to that question. Everybody needs
15:16
a Dylan for all the Predator fans out there. But yeah,
15:23
I love to hear that anything that rocky theme would
15:26
get you through it. Oh yeah, I gotta get a
15:28
speed of a speaker for your bike. You blasting tunes
15:31
when you biking? Uh not yet, not yet. Maybe I'll
15:34
get there at some point. Yeah, that's I think that's
15:36
my next step because I don't want to have headphones in,
15:38
but I don't mind being like the guys like who's
15:40
that old millennial blasting Drummond bass off their bicycle. Yeah.
15:47
You can also do those um like bone conducting headphones
15:50
that just conducting jaw. Those are kind of nerdy though,
15:53
they're like not not the best look, but they're safe. Yeah,
15:56
and I don't mind just being aggressive. I'd rather have
15:58
someone be like turn that ship then have my space headphones.
16:04
That's perfect. The jaw one so you can hear the
16:08
sounds around you as your jaw is. That's pretty cool.
16:13
How do they stick to your jaw? Oh? So they
16:16
just like pass behind your ears, like very much like um,
16:19
you know, like old school sports headphones that would wrap
16:21
around your ears and then they like stick to your
16:25
jaw on the side and so it's just wrapping around
16:27
your ears basically. Yeah, that that sounds trippy to like
16:31
it is coming from inside your Have you ever tried him?
16:35
Do you know what the sound qualities? Like? Sound quality
16:37
is not as good. I used to have a pair. Yeah,
16:40
I used to own a pair, and it's not as good.
16:43
It's definitely not like the audiophiles will take them, um,
16:49
but you know, they do the trick. And if you're
16:50
listening to podcasts you can definitely hear. Yeah, and if
16:53
you're listening to music, like it's more about like feeling
16:56
the music, I guess, but they really do leave your
16:58
ears like entirely clear. Yeah. Maybe that's better than me
17:02
strapping a boom box onto my bike I can't hear.
17:05
Probably probably makes more sense. Yeah, but I love boom
17:08
by Andy C. I picture you're strapping a boom box
17:13
onto your head, like like it's so like unbalanced. Oh
17:21
no no, I'll be safe out there. What is something
17:25
that you think is underrated? Well, yeah, so that I
17:29
kind of already give you my answer, which is biking outside. Yeah. Ok, yeah,
17:34
that's that's that's the thing that's super underrated. Everything is
17:37
all there's a theme here, you know, I really, I really,
17:41
but yeah, I I've been enjoying being outside so so
17:45
much it's a real workout, is super hard, and I
17:49
don't know, I just feel like I have to be
17:50
like incredibly alert. It feels like I'm like some kind
17:54
of superhero sometimes just looking at my environment while I'm biking.
17:58
It's it's a good it's a good feeling. I love
18:00
the freedom of it. I feel like it's like the
18:03
one of the few. It's one of the first things
18:05
I've done recently that I actually felt like I did
18:07
when I was a kid, Like doing something. It feels
18:10
exactly like when I'd be like, I'll be back in
18:13
the our mom and I'm like getting on my bike
18:16
and I'm going to seven eleven, like further down. Because
18:19
there was a slurpy flavor I wanted that they didn't
18:20
have my seven eleven ship and that like sense of
18:24
I think, being free and like having the wind in
18:27
my face. I was That was like a thing I
18:29
really wasn't prepared for. As I really started like biking
18:32
more and more and more, I was like, oh man,
18:34
this is like it's it's activating all these feelings. It's
18:37
so great and all of a sudden, New York City
18:39
feels like really small. It's now I can actually like
18:43
reach every spot relatively fast, and like it just it
18:47
makes everything so much more accessible all of a sudden
18:49
if you can get on a bike recommended. That's what
18:52
I noticed when I started biking around New York. Is
18:55
like I had learned New York geography as like a
18:58
series of islands based around the subway stops that I
19:03
had gone to and so, and then biking just allows
19:06
you to like kind of connect all of those and
19:08
actually see, oh, this is actually super super I never
19:12
I never feel more dumb than when I bike through
19:14
somewhere and I'm like, oh my god, this is just
19:17
on the other side of this part in let's don't
19:21
know what the funk I thought this was. I grew
19:23
up in this place. Yeah yeah, oh man, all right, well,
19:28
let's take a quick break and we'll be right back
19:31
to talk news. And we're back. And there is a developing,
19:47
worsening humanitarian crisis on the other side of the border.
19:51
In Del Rio, Texas. There are mostly Haitian migrants currently
19:57
living under a bridge and based they just waiting to
20:00
see if the United States will help them. Yeah, and
20:03
the answer seems to be no. It's sadly they're seeking
20:07
asylum in the United States, and with you know, Trump
20:11
and Biden, they seem to be doing the same thing,
20:14
which is basically telling them, no, we are unable to
20:17
do that. Biden hasn't deviated much from Trump's policies, which
20:21
is essentially like wait in Mexico during this period, and
20:25
we will use a CDC guideline to sort of justify
20:28
sending people back on flights no matter what, under the
20:32
guise of essentially protecting the US from COVID. And a
20:35
lot of people are really skeptical whether or not that
20:37
is even having the positive results they claim to have
20:40
by saying like, oh, these people have we got to
20:42
get them out because of the pandemic. But it's just
20:44
a way to justify the inhumane treatment of these people
20:47
who are seeking asylum. And you know, again cramped conditions,
20:52
glacial pace of processing people, just we're seeing the same problems,
20:57
you know, just sort of play out over and over
21:00
and predictably. Republicans are pouncing on this moment as like
21:03
a way to paint displaced people as subhuman and also
21:07
to try and create a scandal that they can campaign
21:10
on for Joe Biden because xenophobia it is a great
21:13
motivating tactic for their base, which is to point at
21:16
something at the board and say, look, what's happening because
21:18
of Joe Biden. I get out there and vote for
21:20
someone who will treat them like not people. And we've
21:24
already seen pictures of the fucking border patrol, like on
21:28
horses whipping people. I don't know if you saw those
21:31
images yet, but it is a really, really terrible scene.
21:36
And Biden, you know, it's totally aware of this. I
21:40
think the dynamic, especially as it relates to the conservative
21:42
sort of painting of this this incident right now. And
21:46
I think that's why he's barely changed the policy since
21:48
he took office, because he doesn't want that. He doesn't
21:51
want to give the right the the optic win of
21:55
essentially being humane and allowing them to turn it into
21:58
this guy's just just basically burning the borders down. You know,
22:01
it's free for all over here at this point, um,
22:04
And it's and then at the same time, continued sort
22:07
of disregard for Haiti's place in the Western hemisphere and
22:12
why we're at this place, because there's typically a really
22:15
a strong connection between people who are seeking asylum in
22:18
the United States are trying to get into the United
22:21
States and US meddling in their country at some point
22:24
to and destabilizing it. And yeah, Hatie is a really
22:28
good example of that for sure. Yeah, I mean I think,
22:32
you know, the backdrop behind all of this is like
22:34
the earthquake, it's Haiti having lost its president to assassination
22:39
very recently. And yeah, it's it's sad to see, you
22:44
know the fact that Biden isn't doing very much right
22:47
now and is not changing post Trump, is not is
22:51
not really reversing many of these policies. Yeah, it's it's um,
22:55
it definitely feels like an optics thing for sure. Yeah,
22:58
it's it's the only way you can, man, I think,
23:00
because already there's problems as it relates to you know,
23:04
the the COVID mandates, as he you know, he's trying
23:07
to play a very walk of fine line with that.
23:09
There's also like he's got the U n stuff happening
23:12
this week where he's going to try and like beg
23:14
Mike mcrown to like like the US again because the
23:17
whole submarine sale incident. But yeah, I mean I think
23:21
I kind of saw vague reference to that. But because yeah,
23:26
because they're like, hey, like we sell nuclear subs not
23:30
you guys to Australia. It's just it's all part of
23:33
this pact of the New Zealand Australia sort of US
23:37
sort of uh you know, Pacific Pact against China. But
23:42
you know, when it comes to the Haitians, you know,
23:44
like there have ever since that earthquake in two you know,
23:48
it's caused many people to seek opportunity outside of the
23:51
country at a at a like at a larger rate.
23:54
And then the pandemic killed off a lot of jobs
23:57
that people had in places like Brazil or Chile and
23:59
things like that. So they're moving further to try and
24:02
find a way to survive. And this time there are
24:06
a lot of social media rumors that were like fueling
24:08
a lot of the optimism for these migrants, which essentially
24:11
that they were like, well, there's protected status for Haitians,
24:15
but that was really only applying to the people that
24:17
were within the United States, and now they're being met
24:21
at the border with whips and horses and just saying
24:25
like this now is not the time and putting people
24:28
on flights back to a country that is like verging
24:32
on a like full on like hot civil war and
24:35
so many people like this doesn't even make sense, like
24:38
this is just this is like cruelty upon cruelty to
24:42
do this. And you know, to the point of like
24:44
US intervention in Haiti, this has been an issue. You know,
24:49
Haiti's economic development was hamstrung the second that they liberated
24:53
themselves with a slave slave rebellion from France, and France
24:58
essentially said, okay, we'll we'll acknowledge your independence if you
25:02
pay us for the lost property that the slave owners
25:06
experienced as a result of you liberating yourselves. And those
25:10
payments were being made from the beginning of the nineteenth
25:13
century up until the last payment I think was made
25:15
in the forties, the nineteen forties. And you know, again,
25:18
the US was very very quickly entered Haiti like towards
25:23
the or the beginning of the twentieth century, took over
25:26
the treasury and was sort of essentially saying, like, okay,
25:29
of all the wealth in this country is going to
25:31
be redirected towards quote unquote debt that you owe the
25:33
US or France. And this has just been this has
25:36
kept Haiti from actually being able to grow as a
25:40
nation and also be part of a global economy. So
25:44
just like so many layers of of of trauma and
25:48
death to deal with. But this is again, this is
25:50
this is the thing that the American media or mainstream
25:53
media will never do, is like give you a real
25:55
primer on these countries where people are coming from and
25:58
understanding what the u US his role is, and how
26:01
they got to where they are, and on some levels
26:03
should be arguing why we should actually be helping these people,
26:07
because it's typically it's always reasons to like why we shouldn't.
26:10
I mean, Joe Biden famously said in like the nineties
26:13
that like Haiti was just inconsequential to the United States
26:16
and that's why he was focused more on the Balkans.
26:19
So yeah, I actually didn't know he said that interesting. Yeah,
26:24
it's it's really and it's like very like he said
26:27
it in very dark terms, like essentially saying like if
26:31
it's sunk into the sea, like we wouldn't really, we
26:34
wouldn't think twice about it. Nineties Biden tells on modern
26:38
day Biden a lot quotes from nineties Biden like what
26:42
about Israel, And he said if Haiti just quietly sunk
26:45
into the Caribbean or rose up three feet, it wouldn't
26:48
matter a whole lot in terms of our interest. Oh nice, Yeah,
26:55
I do not. That is wild. That is not a
26:58
great quote. Now, but he's not. He's full of not
27:01
great quotes, you know, like and all the time you're like, no,
27:06
he said that. He's sort of one of those people.
27:08
You go, he said that, and then at the other
27:09
side of your mind, Yeah he said that ship. Yeah, right,
27:12
I can also see that. Yeah. I mean the hope
27:15
is that he is politically adaptable and changes and like
27:20
kind of feels the the pressure to move towards the
27:25
more humanitarian place. But that is yeah, well, when you're
27:30
doing ship, like what he's doing at the border right
27:33
now kind of suggests that he hasn't really changed that
27:37
much with regard to it's not a fight he you know,
27:40
this is like another thing, like I think he expended
27:44
a lot of political capital the visibly because of the
27:47
Afghanistan thing, Like we shouldn't have been there. This is
27:51
always going to happen, so someone had to do it
27:53
because every person before me lie to that they were
27:55
going to do it. So we have to do this
27:57
to like move things along. Yeah, did I Is there
28:00
a better way to do it? Yeah? Probably, but he didn't.
28:04
And I think, you know, immigration is just another one
28:06
of those third rail issues in this country where if
28:09
you suddenly have any movement towards a humane policy towards
28:14
allowing people in this country or people who are looking
28:16
for a better life or asylum, that all it's gonna
28:20
do is you're gonna now have to face just a
28:23
media culture war against this idea that you're saying, like
28:26
America doesn't matter and this is just some place for
28:30
people to come flood and be dirty or whatever. And
28:33
I don't think, yeah, it doesn't. See I don't know
28:35
how many people have moved sort of past being able
28:38
to look at a situation like that and kind of
28:40
not have that take up all the oxygen in a
28:42
in the news. Yeah, it's another example of just, you know,
28:47
the the US government basically understaffing the people who are
28:52
processing people who are making claims of asylum. And then
28:57
you know they even if they had the right Paul
29:00
See in place, they would yeah, you know, just be
29:03
like yeah. But it's the same thing with the distribution
29:06
of rent relief and you know, the eviction ban. It's
29:10
like they don't they they can have all these big
29:13
ideas and policies, but then they don't actually staff it up,
29:16
so you don't have the bureaucuracy in place to actually
29:19
do anything with your with your ideas, right. I think
29:23
Deli del Rio is having a huge problem with that,
29:25
like specifically right because they're resting a bunch of people,
29:29
They're putting a lot of these people in jail, and
29:31
they just don't have the staff to like to like
29:34
take care of these individuals, to process them. Like it's
29:37
it's it really is like in Del Rio, it is
29:39
bad right now. Yeah, And the sad thing is that
29:42
all these images just will make someone who's not as
29:45
informed just think that there's no solution to something like this.
29:49
And it's like I don't know, we have border patrol,
29:51
we have you know, customs people who work on this,
29:55
but they still I mean, this is this is this
29:57
is why we got to just tighten stuff up rather
29:59
than really understanding like, no, we're not we're not we're
30:01
not servicing these people in the in the manner that
30:03
we should be. We're not, we're not creating the we
30:06
don't have the actual infrastructure to deal with this because
30:09
this isn't this is only going to increase um as
30:13
climate changes uh and gets more intense and causes more
30:17
like environmental disasters. People are going to move. That's just
30:22
a nailed on fact of our our world, and borders
30:26
are not People still move, So there is some like
30:31
I mean, I don't know when that reckoning is gonna come,
30:33
but you know that's gonna be a huge part of
30:35
how we adapt to the changing world is understanding that,
30:39
like we we have to let go of these ideas
30:41
of like, no, you're from there, you can only stay there,
30:43
and you stay there until you die. And if you don't, like,
30:45
don't even think about coming here, because we really have
30:47
enough for us, stuff for us, and we're not even
30:48
worried on trying to think of how we can make
30:50
it all work. I mean, for a lot of people,
30:52
the reckoning is already happening, like the you know, Human
30:55
Rights Watch published a letter on Wednesday of last week
30:59
just saying, you know, this policy of like heavily guarding
31:04
the roots that people across the border that are hospitable,
31:08
so that pushing people to extremely hot and unforgiving terrain,
31:14
like they are killing people. They're straight up killing people.
31:18
As the world gets hotter and hotter, heat waves are
31:21
already the deadliest form of natural disaster in the US,
31:25
and they're just pushing people into regions where like, in
31:32
terms of how much it's changing, the number of days
31:34
over a hundred degrees fahrenheit per year is expected to
31:37
climb to sixty by mid century, up from the annual
31:41
average of between two thousand. Like that's more than doubled
31:47
in you know, fifty years because of climate change. It's
31:51
going to really kill a lot of people. And but
31:55
again it's like sort of this we're not doing anything,
31:58
like they're they're the ones who are who were doing
32:00
it type logic that conservatism by doing nothing, like just
32:06
by by doing nothing, rather it allows the Democratic Party
32:10
to just not get called out for doing cruel things,
32:14
but you know, passively do the cruel policy that makes
32:17
it easy for them to triangulate with conservatives. Yeah, I mean, so,
32:22
there are so many thoughts regarding heat waves. One is
32:25
that like, actually nobody knows that they are like the
32:28
deadliest natural disasters. Like people don't think about them. They
32:31
don't happen in a as a shocking of a way,
32:36
as like a wildfire or or a storm. You know,
32:40
it's it's such a different kind of death. It is
32:42
also an incredibly terrible death. It is really really brutal,
32:46
Like if you like, look up an article that tells
32:48
you exactly how people die from heat waves, it is
32:50
not pretty. And on top of that, you have border
32:53
patrol agents dumping water at the border, like when when
32:58
these nonprofit organizations leave water for migrants along those routes,
33:02
they dump the water out, And that that to me
33:05
is really something that every time I think about that,
33:08
it's just like I can't even imagine. I can't even
33:10
imagine doing that as policy, right, because Yeah, and the
33:15
way I think we have these departments set up, it's
33:19
just to be like, Okay, who's who's willing to brutalize
33:21
these people? There has nothing to do with compassion meeting
33:24
these people with compassion. It's like these are invaders, So
33:28
take away anything they have that would potentially give them
33:32
safe passage, like you're saying, like cynically, just like cutting
33:34
open water containers and just leaving it. So there's no
33:39
there's nothing for a fucking human person who's wandering the
33:43
earth to try and have a better outcome for themselves. Yeah,
33:47
just fundamentally, we have just such a barbaric system. And
33:50
I think I think just in general and most countries
33:52
just think of immigration as this like dirty thing or
33:55
a bad thing, rather than acknowledging our place like a
34:00
global community and understanding, like you know, at a certain point,
34:04
I think a lot of Americans are under the assumption
34:06
that America will be the best place to live forever,
34:09
no matter what happens to the planet. And you know,
34:13
I think not many people put themselves in a place
34:15
with what if you were trying to cross the border
34:19
and what does that look like? But I think exceptionalism
34:22
has completely put happy out of people's minds, because that's
34:25
the only way you could look at this and not
34:28
have any compassion. Like I think me and someone who's
34:31
so worried about what the future holds for this planet
34:34
and future generations, it's all I can think of, like, well,
34:39
that that could be you, that could be us, That
34:41
could be I mean except maybe the super rich, right right,
34:46
the super rich are going to be just fine. And
34:48
it's other than that, it could be anyone. Yeah, how
34:52
do you want your kids and grandkids to be treated
34:54
when they're trying to cross the Canadian border? And like
34:57
everybody's trying to get the funk out of America. All right, Well,
35:00
speaking of people doing offensive things through inaction and just
35:06
trying not to be offensive while doing the most offensive
35:10
ship in the world, let's talk about Mike Pence. Apparently
35:14
the rumors are getting louder and louder. Mike Pence thinks
35:16
he has a shot at becoming president. I think he's
35:20
always thought that. You just got strong vibes that he
35:23
was like, I'm just gonna let sit back and let
35:26
Trump just funk himself up, just let him explode, and
35:30
we good. You know, he and the Cokes were you know,
35:33
that was that was He's like the number one boy,
35:36
the number one good boy for the Koch brothers, and
35:40
I think that was their plan for a long time.
35:42
And now they're like, all right, well, let's let's try
35:45
and do it, you know, let's try and get this
35:47
guy in this This is a weird situation for everybody involved.
35:51
I mean, like, you know, Trump and him the first
35:55
of all. The more and more you read, it sounds
35:58
that Pence had a harder time, like thinking of whether
36:01
or not he should invoke the twenty fifth Amendment, over
36:04
whether or not he should invalidate the election, which I
36:07
was like, Okay, that's he was more willing to invalidate
36:12
the election exactly because it's so thirsty for power. Like
36:15
he just did. He just stood I like, you know,
36:18
we saw we saw him throughout the presidency. He was
36:21
like the man in the room who pretended he wasn't
36:23
in the room the whole time, close to walk out
36:26
with his like integrity intact, which wasn't gonna happen. But
36:30
him and Trump have been in like really like bad terms,
36:33
you know, ever since the sixth and him like, you know,
36:38
not invalidating the election for him. Uh. And they say
36:41
that like that. They're one of in the new Bob
36:43
Woodward book that's coming out apparently that Trump told him
36:48
like essentially said I don't want to be your friend anymore. Um,
36:52
like as the administration was winding down, and you know,
36:56
they sin the last time they spoke was maybe April
36:58
after Penn. That's some kind of like heart procedure. And
37:02
I'm you know, Trump, he absolutely if he hates you,
37:07
he's going to come for you. I mean did it
37:09
to Jeff Sessions. He does it to all kinds of people.
37:12
It's not like he's going to be promoting Pence as
37:15
Pence campaigns, like Pence doesn't get to capitalize off of
37:19
any of them. And correct me if I'm wrong, but
37:21
my impression is that Trump supporters, many of them, do
37:25
not actually like Pence. No not. I I got the
37:31
sense from them chanting that they wanted to hang him
37:36
when when they stormed the capital that may maybe they
37:39
weren't the biggest fan. Yeah, he's just trying to do
37:43
this thing where you know, he's like missing all these
37:47
like just sort of basic facts, right that if you're
37:50
your appeal with the magabases fractured, like yeah, there are
37:54
conservatives who do like you, like because you're a Republican
37:56
and you're part of the administration, then you have like
37:59
the agazombie click that is like you're trying to go
38:03
against the leader and will not forgive him. But so
38:07
I'm like, I'm not sure what his appeal, what he
38:09
thinks his appeal is with the base, aside from like
38:11
trying to be you know, because he's not like the
38:14
total piece of ship conservative politician, which is like getting
38:17
really popular like you're you know, Marjorie Taylor Greens and
38:20
like Lauren Bobert types. That's not him. He's like the
38:24
very upstanding, big Christian energy guy who tries to act
38:28
like he is, like, you know, the most moral figure
38:31
in American history, but right, he still tries tries to
38:35
like appear respectable and and seems to care about that,
38:40
although like I don't know, that thing about him not
38:43
being able to be in a room with a woman
38:45
alone is just like really, yeah, it's still like really,
38:49
I think about it every time I hear his name,
38:52
Like that's troubling. That's troubling for anyone, let alone the
38:55
vice president of the United States of America. Like if
38:59
I or that somebody I knew had that policy, or
39:04
like somebody that I knew, it's like a friend of
39:09
a friend had that policy, I'd be like concerned about
39:12
the world, let alone like somebody who is wielding that
39:16
much power, Right, I'm like, are you a monster? Is
39:18
that to do? Like is that the subtext of that?
39:21
Because I know you're trying to act like it's not proper,
39:23
but that just raises so many more questions or what
39:25
you believed um of dynamic between a man and a
39:30
woman should be because it's so aggressively gender normative. Just
39:36
like this, what does I don't even know where this
39:38
guy is coming from. So we'll see what I mean,
39:40
we'll see what he tries to campaign on. What Most
39:42
people who are in orbit of Trump like they've been
39:44
waiting to see what Trump does, you know, like Nicki
39:46
Haley and those types. But he's got an office in
39:50
d C. He's hiring staffers, he's already got a fundraiser going,
39:53
like it looks like this thing's gonna kick off. Yeah,
39:57
but yeah, I think he's very popular with like the
40:03
Cokes and other wealthy benefactors, like that was his main thing.
40:08
It was kind of appeasing them, soothing the people who
40:12
donated to Trump and what like the very wealthy, the
40:16
one percent, Like he was sort of the Trump administration's
40:20
mouthpiece to that group. And so he's always got that
40:24
going for him. I feel I feel like he looks
40:27
at himself in the mirror and he's like, you look
40:30
like a fucking president because he's got that like head
40:32
of white hair, you know, and like he looks like,
40:37
you know, he's got that would be cast to play
40:39
a president on TV if he wasn't like a wooden
40:43
you know, weirdo. But I do. I think this is
40:47
going to get more uh, coverage than it should. Like,
40:50
my guess is he's going to get a lot of
40:52
coverage because most of the mainstream media, like our Democrats
40:56
would think like Democrats and like are like, well, this
40:59
is the safe play. This is you know, like the
41:04
this is what the Republican Party would do if they
41:06
thought like Democrats. Basically is you know, go for the
41:10
safe person who's going to make the right statements, you know,
41:13
any the sentiment in the base completely, right, Yeah, and
41:17
ignored the sentiment in the base completely, and then my
41:21
my assumption is he's going to faith once public polling
41:26
gets involved and they're like, oh he has he has
41:29
like no support, Trump's just gonna come out swinging. I
41:36
mean that would be fun. And then that's going to
41:37
be an entire messy situation. But I don't know. Yeah,
41:41
it's we shall wait and see who thinks they can
41:45
do it. I guess the one thing to to kind
41:47
of keep an eye out for us for when, specifically
41:51
when Trump and Pence could go head to head, because
41:53
then Trump is going to have to explain why Pence
41:55
isn't his his VP pick and pencil have to explain
41:58
why he isn't Trump's VP. Pick and you know that'll
42:01
be yeah, Like he was a total he was a
42:06
total monster to work with folks being the vice presidents
42:10
of the worst times of my life. Then I knew
42:12
I could do it better. And you're like, oh my god,
42:15
I could definitely see Yeah. I mean he must know
42:18
some of the secrets right of the of the administration.
42:21
But at the same time, he has to keep Trump
42:24
supporters on who would consider voting for him on his side, right,
42:27
so he won't be able to ship talk Trump that much.
42:31
Trump will be able to do whatever he wants, right, Yeah,
42:34
I guess what do you think he does? He like
42:36
hits himself and a debate to be like whoa, guys,
42:39
whoa that was crazy? Right? How I can't stop hitting myself.
42:43
Trump's right a little bit. I don't know how to
42:45
disagree with him without being in direct opposition to him.
42:48
So this is gonna be tough. Mhmm. Yeah, that will
42:52
be interesting. It'll be interesting to see Donald Trump, who
42:56
can do whatever he wants. I wonder, I wonder what
42:58
that'll look like. Yeah, he's gonna figure out he's sitting
43:01
on all that cash, so we'll see what he does
43:04
with it. It seems like he's just paying his bills
43:06
at the moment. Probably keep it would be my guess.
43:09
All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
43:11
right back. And we're back, and some news on college students.
43:28
They are drinking less, smoking more weed. And I don't know,
43:35
this seems kind of natural to me, just based on
43:39
the fact that the quality of weed has gone way
43:45
up and alcohol has always been very like very bad
43:50
for you. Why like is it like I just feel
43:55
like the more you know, yeah, like if I mean,
43:59
is the same legal status is alcohol? Why the funk
44:02
would you ever drink alcohol? I think there's you know,
44:05
a few they right now. They said it's like a
44:08
six percent increase from like a few years ago when
44:12
it comes to like the number of college students who
44:14
are using cannabis. And they also found that like alcohol
44:18
dipped alcohol US dipped from sixty two percent to fifty
44:21
six percent. And like for people of them like who
44:25
are like being drunk like in the last month, that
44:27
one from eight percent from thirty five percent, And binge
44:31
drinking fell of like pretty pretty like heavily. Uh. They said, like,
44:36
you know, binge drinking has gone from thirty two to
44:38
two percent, which is the lowest in like this studies history.
44:41
And but like over the course of even the show,
44:44
we've we've checked in on this poll before, and it
44:47
had always shown that binge drinking was going down and lower,
44:51
and I think that's just always just been the case,
44:53
I think. But but I think the reason it got
44:56
to these historic loads is because twenty just was a
44:58
complete utter lack of of like social social events where
45:03
it seems like that's where college students probably that's their
45:06
preferred venue for alcohol consumption versus the pandemic, which is like,
45:10
how do I make my dorm room interesting for fucking
45:13
twelve hours. Yeah, I'll take some like psychedelics and take
45:17
some edibles and watch ted Lasso and I Got a
45:21
Day Baby. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, it
45:23
will be really interesting to see if this dip like
45:27
continues post pandemic. But like just as a as a
45:31
like individual, like let's just take this for what it is, Like,
45:34
this is like definitely super good news, and that is
45:38
that's very cool, Like it's nice to see because like
45:41
you know, alcohol is just straight up poison and we
45:44
is not in the same way. So it's it's it's
45:48
that's pretty cool. Yeah. This this uh, it's like this
45:51
whole Washington Post article, Like the first like third was
45:54
just this information and then the rest is like debating
45:57
the differences between like weed and like how bad can be.
46:00
And I was like, wait, what's this? Are you this?
46:04
Are you gonna bring up all these scary studies And
46:06
you're like, I don't know though, but for young people, man,
46:09
it can really And I'm like, yeah, there are some
46:10
studies where like certain developmental things can be stunted to
46:13
a certain extent, but not to the point when you're like,
46:16
what is alcohol, like, you know, truly like the effects
46:20
of alcohol and people can are just horrendous. It's really terrible. Yeah,
46:24
I mean it's also like weed studies are so complicated
46:27
to site to like I think I think that's changing.
46:30
But for really really long time, scientists weren't even allowed
46:33
to to study weed unless it came from like one
46:36
specific farm slash lab in the US that was allowed
46:40
to grow it, and the strains and what they were
46:42
growing was not at all representative of what was out
46:44
in the wild in the public um, and so like
46:50
that that like not allowing scientists to properly study weed
46:55
means that like up until very recently and a lot
46:57
of studies were just like, it's just it's it's really
46:59
really hard to take anything from those studies unfortunately, and
47:03
they the I was just gonna say, it looks like
47:06
the byeline on this Washington Post OpEd is Pete cores.
47:13
Maybe maybe that has something to do this Bush Augustus. Okay,
47:20
but yeah, it's it's definitely like, you know, times are changing,
47:24
and obviously the pandemics just like changed all of people's habits,
47:28
but they've also seen like psychedelics. Use of psychedelics has
47:30
gone up by four percent too, and I think that's
47:33
kind of like the I feel like that's sort of
47:34
the newer trend in recreate people using drugs recreationally is psychedelics,
47:40
because it's like that's another thing where we've been prevented
47:45
from really doing in depth research into psychedelics, and the
47:48
stuff that we are only beginning to hear about is
47:51
still it seems very compelling. People see like uses and
47:54
just outside of a trip like that, it's it can
47:57
be spiritually healing that you can and you don't heal
48:01
from certain traumas and things like that, and so yeah,
48:03
I'm sure, and I feel like I always see like
48:05
on TikTok or like a lot of gen Z people
48:07
like doing like trippy psychedelic videos and being like things
48:11
like we don't realize about psychedelics and why, I like
48:14
the government has kept us from like thinking these things.
48:16
So there's definitely this utility I think to psychedelics now
48:20
that people are like sort of connecting to. But yeah,
48:23
it's the trend is going down. I should acknowledge that
48:28
there is a difference between like the effects of alcohol
48:32
and weed. And I definitely chose alcohol in a in
48:36
a big way in my life and the effects are bad.
48:39
But I shouldn't be like, why would you ever choose drinking,
48:42
because I certainly did for a long time. I mean, yeah,
48:45
I mean I don't think drinking is going away for
48:48
what it's worth. I don't think it's like gonna go away.
48:51
But unfortunately, I think that people thinking about it a
48:54
little bit more is a good idea. Yeah, I agree, exactly.
48:57
All right, let's talk about COVID safe COVID preventative measures.
49:02
There were the Emmys two nights ago when Seth Rogan
49:06
just got up and like people were laughing and it
49:11
had the cadence of a stand up routine. But he
49:14
was just like, they lied to us and said this
49:16
was gonna be outside. It's not outside. No one's wearing masks.
49:20
Why I feel unsafe? I wouldn't have come if I
49:24
knew this, Like literally all he said, Like I played
49:29
the clip because he's truly like the Canadian in a
49:31
room full of Americans. He's like the funk are you
49:33
guys doing it here? Like uh so, let's just hear
49:37
seth room. But yeah, it's funny because his disbelief does
49:41
sound like a bit clearly not anyway. Good to be
49:46
here at the Emmy Awards. Let me start by saying,
49:49
there is way too many of us in this little room.
49:53
What are you doing? They said this was outdoors, it's not.
49:58
They lied to We're in a hermetically sealed ten right now.
50:04
I would not have come to this. Why is there
50:08
a roof? It's that we have three chandeliers and that
50:12
we make sure we don't kill Eugene Levy tonight out
50:18
for a fellow Canadian. But you know, I love that
50:21
he talks about Eugene Levy. I had not seen that clip.
50:25
That's a good clip. Yeah, he's really. It really does
50:29
feel like like if I were at a party and
50:32
they're like, yeah, it's gonna be all safe as all outdoors,
50:34
vaccinated guests only, and you're like, yo, like someone's fucking
50:40
two car garage and there's spreading of us in here.
50:42
What are we doing? If you're like, oh, he's so
50:44
funny man by observing shit, but seriously, they said this
50:49
is going to be outside, that's actually not a stand
50:54
up routine. He's just talking, right, It's a dystopian nightmare
50:58
where you're like just talking making observations of things that
51:02
are happening, and people like Twilight look at him. He said,
51:07
why are we here? They lied to us. We're in
51:11
a frematically sealed tent. Yeah, yeah, great. He looks great.
51:18
He's like kind of aging into Steve Martin a little bit.
51:21
He's got like a Steve martin ish vibe about him. Um,
51:25
what do you mean? He's like, yeah, it's like clean cut,
51:29
he's got gray hair, he's got classes, but he doesn't
51:34
have like an arrow going through his head or like
51:37
like like a fiddle. What was it? No, Yeah, he
51:41
ain't banjoin. He's he's throwing. He's throwing that clay, you
51:45
know what I mean, doing the pottery. Yeah, I like that. Well,
51:49
speaking of um, you know, COVID logic, that is difficult
51:53
to differentiate from comedy. There's I don't know, like what
52:00
what was the outlet that published part baby. Yeah. So,
52:07
I mean basically the background or the foundation of this
52:11
is that Fox News, you know, poles are saying Americans
52:14
are worried about the pandemic. They embrace vaccines and masks
52:18
and are even okay with mandates. Uh you know, I
52:24
mean the mandates are a little less popular, but that's
52:27
arriving to the point of a fifty percent plus one
52:30
yea fifty yeah and so and even some conservatives are like, yeah, no,
52:37
we're definitely on the wrong side of this. How did
52:41
we get here? And this gentleman has has an idea
52:45
that I am kind of impressed with the kind of
52:50
logical leaps that that they've taken here. But basically their
52:54
explanation is that the rest of the world has reverse
52:59
psycho apologied them into being against vaccines. Because this is
53:06
a because Howard Stern was like, you know, mocking people
53:10
who had passed away from who are like COVID deniers,
53:13
Like really prominent COVID deniers who eventually succumbed to the
53:15
to the virus. And he starts off saying, quote, this
53:19
is all from the op ed. This is not this
53:21
is not fine. Do you want to know why I
53:25
think Howard Stern is going full monster with his mockery
53:28
of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus
53:31
Because the leftist like Stern and CNN l O l
53:35
and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are
53:38
deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated.
53:43
Nothing else makes sense to me. In a country where
53:46
elections are decided on razor thin margins, it does it
53:48
not benefit one side if their opponents simply dropped dead.
53:52
If I wanted to use their verse psychology to convince
53:54
people not to get a life staving vaccination, I would
53:57
do exactly what Stern and the left are doing. I
54:00
would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for
54:03
not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, hey,
54:06
fuck you, I'm never getting vaccinated. No one wants to
54:10
cave to a piece of ship like that, or a
54:12
scumbag like Fauci or any of the scumbags at CNN,
54:15
L O L. So we don't and what's the result.
54:18
They're all vaccinated and we're not. And when you look
54:21
at the numbers, it's only it's only numbers that matter,
54:23
which is who's dying. It's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are dying.
54:27
And they have just manipulated millions of their political enemies
54:30
into the unvaccinated camp. According to CDC, again he talks
54:34
about who's dying of China flup um when he goes
54:38
on and say could it be could it possibly be
54:40
the leftist manipulated huge swaths of Trump's voters into believing
54:44
they are owning the left by not taking life saving
54:46
the life saving Trump vaccine. I am strongly pro vaccine,
54:50
and now believe that Biden, the media, Hollywood, and the
54:52
left in general or deliberately being as nasty as possible
54:55
as a way to use reverse psychology against Trump supporters.
54:58
They know that the ugly or they get, the more
55:01
unvaccinated Trump supporters will dig in and refuse to get vaccinated. Well,
55:04
I think that's the plan. They're vaccinated, we're not. The unvaccinated,
55:08
almost exclusively ones she's dying, who's winning the debate, who's
55:11
owning who? I that was exhausting, Miles, But it's my
55:19
My eyebrows are permanently stuck in this quizzical what are
55:26
I'm sorry I put on my eyebrows too high this morning.
55:29
It's like this whole fucking idea that again, it's never
55:34
personal responsibility in this case, apparently because we've been manipularly
55:38
been We've been gamed like a parent would a three
55:41
year old because that's our intellect. Okay, they knew that
55:45
that we're easily manipul I don't know what they're trying
55:47
to say, but these people have not being It's like
55:49
it's very condescending towards people who have not been vaccinated,
55:56
like very like thinking that that is what they're thought
56:00
processes is extremely like infantilizing and condescending. And on the
56:05
other hand, all I see is like health officials desperately
56:09
imploring people who are unvaccinated to actually get the vaccine.
56:14
Like this whole thing is wild. This is yeah, because
56:19
like that scumbag fascion that's the best is just like
56:23
fasci is just from the start, but like please get
56:24
back today, like dude, just just where we're just asking
56:27
you it's safe. Please please please look at this asshole. Okay,
56:33
it's like, wait, what what? This is the thing that
56:37
don't realize this is why they're their logic loop has
56:40
now began to eat its own asshole now because they
56:42
don't understand the origins of this. It's not they have
56:44
not been owned or manipulated by the left. You have
56:47
been owned by the unscrupulous monsters that have weaponized your
56:52
partisanship against you to stay in power. Because the ideology
56:57
for the conservatives is basically don't agree with rules. Ever. Yeah,
57:02
so how the fuck are you being manipulated by them?
57:05
If your marching orders are to just to stand antithetically
57:09
diametrically opposed to whatever they're saying, that's that's that's of
57:14
your own creation. That's how the discourse has operated on
57:17
that side for the last you know, however many decades.
57:20
It's not about Okay, yeah, we can't agree on this thing.
57:23
It's just full stop what they say. No, I'm against it.
57:27
They're manipulating me into not getting a vaccine. It's I'm
57:32
but again, you know, like I don't know if the
57:33
tone of this is to also try and be like,
57:35
so we have to take things back, you know, conservatives
57:38
and get vaccinated, because clearly he is trying to draw
57:41
a line of like this is part of the health
57:43
of the party that's on the line, and yes, maybe
57:46
we've been owned, but are you so are you urging
57:49
them to get vaccinated? What's this also feels like because
57:54
so much of the right is like fueled by really
57:58
wealthy people just funding like think tanks, this also feels
58:01
like it could be a strategy thought up by a
58:04
conservative think tank to like try to get Breitbart readers
58:10
and like the conservative movement on board. They're like, okay,
58:13
so if we say the liberals don't want them to
58:17
do the vaccine, then maybe they do vaccine. Maybe this
58:22
is actually reverse psychology for conservatives where they're like trying
58:25
to convince conservatives and people who are unvaccinated to get
58:28
vaccinated by saying like they're getting like, you know, maybe
58:34
well this is the thing that you say, this ends
58:37
right with sort of this whole thing of like being like,
58:40
you know, the number is startling when you're talking about
58:43
the percentage of people who are dying that are unvaccinated,
58:46
and I open or thinking in this un quoting quote.
58:49
Forget cases, forget mandates, forget masks and Howard Stern. When
58:51
you learn that almost everyone dying is unvaccinated, that's to
58:55
come to Jesus moment. I could be wrong, Maybe the
58:57
Left isn't that evil and sly, But when I think
59:00
the unvaccinated lying they're dying, being told by their doctors, sorry,
59:03
there's nothing more we can do to get enough oxygen
59:05
to your lungs, I don't laugh. My heartbreaks for that person.
59:08
Imagine lying there, dying, thinking that all you had to
59:10
do was get the Trump vaccine. Rebrand. Even if this
59:14
isn't the left plan, who's owning who? So? I think
59:18
this is trying to use the the verbiage of ownage
59:22
right to get to speak to the conservatives be like, no,
59:26
we're getting owned the piece of writing. Yeah, this is
59:31
a fascinating piece of writing. Like I feel like you
59:33
need to dissect it in so many different ways, but yeah,
59:36
the rebranding it calling the Trump vaccine saying like, look
59:41
like people who vote like us are dying, so you
59:44
should get the vaccine. That's kind of smart, you. I
59:49
just want these people to get vaccinated, so whatever it takes, honestly, Yeah,
59:53
I'm like, hey, that's it's like fine if if it's like,
59:59
well it should we just on this podcast admit to
1:00:02
this having been our strategy all along, as we were
1:00:04
trying to antagonize them into not getting the vaccine so
1:00:08
that we so we can blow up on info Worth. Yeah,
1:00:12
so first of all, okay, here we go, uh here,
1:00:16
here's a clean edit point. And we were in fact
1:00:21
hoping that you wouldn't get vaccinated. Now that our playbook
1:00:25
has been exposed, though, I guess you should read this
1:00:28
bright part article and who's owning who? I mean, you
1:00:30
have to ask yourself that question. Just go get fucking vaccinated?
1:00:34
Thanks Who's But I think they're I'm clearly like they
1:00:38
that the tone seems to suggest that at the upper
1:00:41
echelons of the sort of conservative media apparatus, that this
1:00:46
is a problem that they that that they know, and
1:00:50
they're like fun, fuck dude, like like they believe everything,
1:00:55
and now we're trying to convince them to not like
1:00:59
to avoid preventable death because they've took it as a
1:01:02
culture war battle. It's yeah, it's truly mind boggling how
1:01:10
like Tucker Carlson like gets through a night and like
1:01:15
sleeps because it's yeah, these things are just so plainly
1:01:19
evident that he's killing people, He's killing his own viewers.
1:01:24
I don't know, that's that's pretty wild. Yeah. I mean
1:01:27
what's funny is like the day before he wrote some
1:01:32
like article that said anti vactors hype but not anti
1:01:35
antivactor's hype benign transmission numbers as proof vax doesn't work.
1:01:40
So the day before you spent your time just throwing
1:01:43
more garbage out there into the world. Then the next
1:01:46
day you're like, well, who's owning who? You're like, I
1:01:48
think you are, sir. The clicks, you're owning them for clicks,
1:01:53
just the casual reference to foul cheap, being a scum vegs.
1:01:57
It's okay, I guess. I mean, if that's what, what
1:02:02
did he do? Because by the end of it, you're like,
1:02:04
we need to get vaccinated. So then you were wrong
1:02:07
about him. Yeah, but he was such a scubag about it.
1:02:10
He was he didn't want us to You could tell
1:02:13
when he was. He was begging us. This hugely earnest
1:02:17
human being who has never said anything like that doesn't
1:02:21
appear to be capable of insincerity. Uh, he you could
1:02:26
tell he was being insince here when he told us
1:02:28
we should get the vaccine. Yeah, exactly, And it's that,
1:02:31
you know, it's once again just America bending over backwards
1:02:36
to have the lowest standards possible for conservative people that
1:02:42
like somehow we have to make it not their fault.
1:02:44
So yeah, there there are the children we have to
1:02:48
bring with us, drag them along forward into the future. Yes, well,
1:02:53
what other wait, hold on, what other reverse psychology schemes
1:02:56
can we get them to do? Oh? Ship, that's a
1:02:59
great point. And you know, you know, yeah, you know
1:03:02
what's really cool or fucking closed borders where no one
1:03:06
can get get in or out. You hear that, keep
1:03:10
everybody where they are. And then you're like, no, man,
1:03:12
we need our freedom of movement. Man, because we need
1:03:15
that kind of agency as human beings. We have to
1:03:16
expend that to others across the cloak. You're like, whoa,
1:03:18
it's working. It was that easy. Well, Ari l it's
1:03:24
been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.
1:03:28
Where can people find you and follow you? Uh? So
1:03:32
they can find me on Twitter, I guess sometimes at
1:03:37
a d r S. I probably post more on Instagram
1:03:40
at a d r s and listen to the podcast,
1:03:43
listen to Vice News reports also having new podcasts coming out,
1:03:47
you know, and of October beginning of November. I can't
1:03:50
talk about it just yet, but you don't keep an
1:03:51
eye out for that, Okay, do you can? What is
1:03:54
it is it? Can you give us a genre anything? Yeah,
1:03:57
it'll be like long form now, arrative science, human drama.
1:04:05
Yeah like that. And is there is there a tweet
1:04:09
or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.
1:04:12
So the tweet that I picked out is one by
1:04:15
Paul Ford. I just really appreciated this, this idea, so
1:04:20
he tweeted. My favorite part in learning anything new is
1:04:23
learning the reasons why everyone in the discipline hates each other.
1:04:29
And that just feels so right, Like coming back to
1:04:33
the whole cycling thing, you know, electric cyclists versus like
1:04:38
wearing cyclists versus you know, city bikers versus delivery people
1:04:45
like that, those like turf wars are just so intense
1:04:50
and I was kind of unaware of any of it,
1:04:53
and I'm I'm learning a lot right now. Yeah. Yeah,
1:04:56
it's it's hard out there people talking ship when I'm
1:04:59
on my bike. That's only happened twice, but it's like
1:05:03
people like nice bike. Like one guy was like on
1:05:06
a mountain bike. I was like, dude, fuck you fucking bitter.
1:05:11
Like also, bro, I can't hear you because my drumming
1:05:13
bass is too loud. But it's so true though. The
1:05:17
minute you learn about you, you enter a new world.
1:05:19
You're like, oh, like these people hate each other and
1:05:22
they love the same things, but they hate each other
1:05:25
right right, right exactly. Yeah, that's any whenever people congregate
1:05:29
around a thing there we always split off in our
1:05:32
little groups. Yep, miles, where can people find you? What's
1:05:35
a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram at Miles of Gray,
1:05:40
g r A y uh and the other show for
1:05:43
twenty day Fiance with Sophia Alexandro where we talk about
1:05:46
ninety day fiance, you know, the real where the real
1:05:49
ship's going down sometimes to give us a much need
1:05:51
to break from the world. A tweet that I like,
1:05:54
I like a couple first one is from Brody Gupta
1:05:57
at Brody Gupta. You know when Mikayla Cole got her
1:06:00
aunt Emmy the other night, she was saying, like, writer's right,
1:06:04
what scares you? Was like, her like one of like
1:06:06
the poignant lines from her acceptance speech, among many other things.
1:06:09
But so Brody grouped a quote tweeted that of the
1:06:12
writer's right, what scares you? And Brody tweeted opening a
1:06:16
document to simply write the words raccoon hands. Very specific,
1:06:24
but I might be a little not what that was
1:06:26
being meant. But I love it because I agree that's
1:06:29
I always want to look at him and be like,
1:06:31
we got fingernails or those cloths? Um. Another one is
1:06:35
from Laura Peak at Laura Peak. Underscore tweeted, I'm extremely
1:06:38
conflict avoided, which is fine, totally don't even worry about it.
1:06:41
I'm good either way. That is so close to my heart. Uh.
1:06:49
Tweet I've been enjoying was from Golden Phantom tweeted the
1:06:52
trolley Opportunity in reference to the trolley problem. I thought experiment,
1:07:00
which I think is basically sums up capitalism and how
1:07:05
how business does work. Damn. I like that here, I mean,
1:07:11
I hate it, but I like. You can find me
1:07:16
on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien. You can find us
1:07:19
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1:07:25
daily zygeist dot com, where we post our episodes on
1:07:28
our foot nowhere, where we link off to the information
1:07:31
that we talked about in today's episode, as well as
1:07:34
the song that we think you might enjoy, Mylesooth song.
1:07:38
Are we telling people to go check? You know? I
1:07:39
mentioned it already when I was talking about blasting some
1:07:42
drumming bass when I'm on my bike. So you know what, y'all,
1:07:45
put some d n B in your ears. Uh and
1:07:49
no d n n uh not m uh n B
1:07:55
into your ears and let's go. Let's go out on
1:07:57
Boom by Andy C. You know what I mean. I'm
1:08:01
just peddling. I all I do is listen to drum
1:08:03
bassing for my bike. So I want y'all to get
1:08:07
let feel that wind in your face and just check
1:08:10
this one out by Andy C. Boom. You're gonna love it. Uh,
1:08:14
or you know, fired up in your and your exercise
1:08:16
bike however you like to get down in whatever pedal
1:08:19
fashion you do. Yeah, yeah, keep one ear open though,
1:08:23
or or use those weird job on Yeah, you don't
1:08:27
put it, do it? Don't don't ever fucking put ball
1:08:29
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