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Speaker 1
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
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Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments
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from this week, all edited together into one uh NonStop
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infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here
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is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, we are thrilled to be
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joined by the very funny and talented brighter and podcaster
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who you can hear on the wonderful NBA Baseline podcast
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uh and his new podcast Never Meet Your Heroes, which
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he tells you all the most shocking details and twists
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and turns from celebrity back stories like Mark Wahlberg Shila
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buff We'll have to ask him if he included Miles
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Gray's rat on the limit in the UH in that backstory.
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Also Michael Jordans, He's one of the best follows on Twitter.
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Please welcome back to the show. Jabari OHI David. Hey guys,
01:01
I appreciate you having me again. I'm not gonna alloe
01:03
to you. I've already made the determination I'm never going
01:05
to over you know, like out do you guys? With
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the intro, So my a k A is a co
01:10
worker last week told me you're exactly like sugar Knight
01:13
except for nice. And I guess what they really mean,
01:15
because I've been told this many times before, is you're
01:17
a big black guy with shaved head, so that's cool,
01:21
and you got a beard too. Nice good. It was
01:27
right there, It was right and you know what I'm
01:29
stealing that right? You got? He's like, oh, I'm like sugar,
01:34
and you hold their ass over the edge of your
01:36
royalties right now? Yeah, exactly. You think that you're stereotypical bullshit?
01:44
Remind me another time. I'll tell you. I'll tell you
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a story about signing up for that man's you know,
01:50
that man's big hit song at karaoke there in the
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valley and he walked out because he was upset. Oh
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wait what he was at the karaoke bar in Ireland
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thirty two. It's a it's a spot that's over there.
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I think, what is it like Burbank or not Burbank,
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like Van Eyes or whatnot? I was there, you know,
02:06
Rob Vand was it Rob band Weak? Vanilla Ice was there.
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He was in the bag. He's having a good time.
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Folks are showing low. So I figured, hey, look we're here,
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we're gonna go ahead and do this. I signed up
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for it. The song came on, he gets up and
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walks out because, like, I guess it was offended by it,
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but whatever, because you did maybe Yeah, it's like broken
02:22
what we know you're from? Yeah, I thought it was
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respect that song. Have you ever made loving an inner tube?
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But Vanilla ice off of to the extreme? Is that
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a song? That's not the title, but he talks about
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making loving an entery tube, which is like the sort
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of thing that a middle school student which I was
02:41
at the time, or I think elementary actually would like
02:44
think was cool, Like yeah, anyway, had sex would be
02:49
like that. That sounds really like uncomfortable and difficult. You
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gotta come from Tuban culture, not just Retuban but inner
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Tuban and embrace your inner Tuban while you're inner Tuban
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as filize. Yeah, we like to ask our guest, what
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is something from your search history? Last night, I was
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reading about boxers because everybody was watching the no like
03:14
like like the Fisty Cuffs was because m my friend
03:19
Jay King was talking about Logan Paul, the logan or
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Jake Paul who's the one who fights mm A or
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whatever they both do, just talking about how Jake is
03:29
like a good character for fighting because he's like a
03:35
villain and everyone knows it and wants to see him
03:38
get punched in the face. And if you know that,
03:39
you're the guy back to the karate kids. If you're
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the guy that like people will tune in to see
03:44
you get punched in the face and you're cool with that,
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that's a good lane. That's a good lane. So yeah,
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I was comparing him to other I was trying to
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look up, like who were some other like famous Irish boxers,
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and then I found this guy whose name I already forget,
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but who was like a famous Irish boxer who was
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also like an actor, and I was like, that's Jake Paul. Yeah,
04:09
and he was he also doing like black people versus
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white people boxing matches too. I mean, I think that
04:14
was also what the nineteen thirties was all about, right
04:18
in the ring folks, right, because I was like, Oh,
04:20
it's weird that all the boxers were black, Jewish, Italian
04:25
and Irish almost like those are the people that had
04:30
to take the money to get their lives punched out, right,
04:34
Like sort of did you see yesterday? A lot of
04:36
people are like, did he take money to lose that fight?
04:38
Because everyone was like, if you just kept fighting him,
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you would have probably won. But then Woodley lost in
04:44
his spit decision. Yeah, and everybody was mad because they
04:47
just tuned in to see Jake Paul got his lights clock. Yeah.
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And that's the thing, you know what, And it's perfectly
04:52
as a money making scheme, that's what you do. It's like,
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well that's what I was saying, like for a YouTuber,
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if you can get paid to just get punched in
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the face and you get like a few million dollars
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every time, Like do that, untol and you're an idiot
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who doesn't need a brain to function, Keep doing that. Yeah.
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But then also recently I looked up the Paul siblings
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and found out we have the exact same white ethnic
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background related to the brothers. Yeah, they're a little bit Irish,
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English and a little bit German and Jewish allegedly, Okay,
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I think I was also like, the Paul brothers are Jewish,
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Like I know nothing? And also is that my internalized
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anti Semitism for seeing these blonde idiot guys and not
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thinking try you know, aryan gods fighting on pay per
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view or most people are. The other part is I
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like how many people steal the fights to to also
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be like, first of all, I need to see him
05:54
get his as beat. Part two, I'm not paying to
05:56
get his ass beat because I know part three he
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probably has the fight rigged or something. I don't know. Yeah,
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he keeps fighting. I mean he's carefully like selecting his opponents.
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Even though this guy was a professional mm A fighter
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who used to be successfully, he hadn't want to fight
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and like eight fights and he's smaller than him, he
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keeps fighting people who are much smaller than him because
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he's figured out that that's a massive advantage people basically
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outside his weight class. They're sort of turning it into wrestling,
06:28
which is like, yeah, pretty smart. Yeah, absolutely, it's very
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I mean if he hadn't invented himself, like a like
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wrestling or like boxing promoter would have invented him to
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make money off of like evil social media influencer guy
06:46
who everybody wants to see get destroyed, who like keeps
06:50
selecting his his opponents so that they will never destroy him.
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And we just keep tuning and being like this is
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the one I really want. The guy who's sixty lighter
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and a nine inches shorter. This time. This will be
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the one that will be Yeah, I had no hope
07:05
for this last one. I am hoping that he fights
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Myles Garrett though, the guy from the Browns, who would
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just fucking demolish him. I hope he fights Miles Great. Yeah,
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I was gonna say. I thought, yeah, yeah, I feel
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like Smiles I back. You could take him, fight dirty,
07:23
you could sucking you could, you could hurt Jake Paul
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or I'll just start off crying again. Though. You might
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just see him at a Calabasas house party and like
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right exactly and then like push him. He looks at
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you the wrong way, and he says, he says, what
07:39
are you doing? And he does look just like Zapka,
07:41
the villain from the Karate Kid if he's like, hey,
07:45
what are these uh East Valley kids doing out here
07:49
in count Basses? Like, oh, what are we doing here? Well?
07:53
Maybe and then we're just all the goons come in
07:55
and we and we steal all the things that aren't
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nailed down like we would at old house parties. And
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does everybody come out o this ashtray? It was made
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of marble? What is something you think is overrated? Yeah?
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I don't know Honestly, I feel like somebody must have
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said this at some point, but I'm just gonna throw
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out almonds. When he talked about almonds, yeah, I mean
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they take up way too much water. Yeah yeah, and
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they just kind of taste like ship. Yeah, it's like
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what if what if peanuts were like made of wood,
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you know, we're made of the vibe though that is Yeah,
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they're like they're like splintering your mouth. I'm with you,
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like they're like and then yeah, they raw like a
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raw almond is just like I have the same thing
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with carrots. It's just something about the texture. Yea bad.
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I'm not the big and they're they're like bad for
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you know, all that water to use a Yeah, no
09:01
funk almonds for real? Like does this extent to almond
09:05
milk for you? Yes, yes it does. It does because
09:08
we have oat milk now, so we don't need almond
09:11
milk anymore. And coconut milk if you're if you're trying
09:15
to replace like whole fatty milk, coconut milk is really good. Yeah.
09:19
And you know what, people don't funk with coconut milk,
09:21
which I think is wrong. I feel like coconut milk
09:24
is underrated. Yeah, maybe that should be my underrated You wait,
09:30
so you're saying you're the two of you like you
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just look at almonds and you're like, good, get them
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away from me because I like a I mean, look,
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I like a roasted almond. I'm not the thing it's
09:43
got to be roasted, right, yeah, not in its natural form?
09:47
Well what most of the nuts we eat are roasted
09:50
right on some level. Like I don't eat rock gass shoes.
09:52
I don't eat raw peanuts. I don't eat raw nuts.
09:55
You know what I mean, I don't. But you know
09:57
how it is. I'm saying, if it's like rock as
10:00
shoes delicious, Oh rock ashes are delicious, Yeah, absolutely delicious,
10:06
obviously better with extra you know, roasting flavoring. Sure, but
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I think, oh, natural cash whose are fucking dope? Okay.
10:16
I just I feel like almonds became the default nuts
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at some point in the past, like ten years over peanuts. Yea,
10:25
the healthy hard because they take a fucking it's I
10:31
think it's something like a gallon per nut. And you're like, what, no,
10:37
knock it off, fucking knock it off. We don't we
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don't need amo. That's where I'm like, we don't need
10:42
almost that bad. You're not even that good, right, I
10:45
don't think they're that good. And yeah, like like when
10:48
you look at the water usage, like the little like
10:53
curbs that they put on consumer like water consumption like
10:56
regular gen pop water consumption, like it's the smallest dent
11:02
in the world when you compared to just like doing
11:05
anything to agriculture, like because they just like use all
11:09
the water, right Yeah, because yeah, when you go down
11:13
it's like, yeah, this is how much water and almond takes.
11:16
It's like, yeah, but what about all the live stock
11:19
that's where that's where the real water is going. Yeah. Ship,
11:24
what is something you think is underrated? The show Leverage?
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You have? You just seen leverage. I have not, Okay, leverage,
11:34
Leverage rules. Leverage is basically the premise of the show
11:38
is every episode is It's It's It's It's a forty
11:41
minute heist movie with con artists, except they basically like
11:45
they they steal from the rich and give it to
11:48
the poor people, and they do it by just running
11:51
incredibly elaborate and absurd cons on people who suck and
11:54
it's it is an extremely good time and more people
11:57
should know about it because it's just it's it's just fun.
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Where where can you watch it? Is an old show?
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Oh yeah, it was on from oh eight to two twelve. Yeah,
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there's a new season two that I I think you
12:10
can watch an Amazon Prime or something. But yeah, it
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was originally and it's like a very it's a very
12:17
like post two eight show in like the best way
12:19
that I only sort of vaguely remember because I was
12:21
like twelve, but like you know, it's it's very post
12:26
to a thousand and eight in that like there's a
12:28
bunch of rich people and they're all bad and the
12:30
goal of the show was to screw those people over.
12:32
And it's okay, right right right, just like anger about
12:35
the the session and the subprime lending ship. Yeah, yeah,
12:39
you know, and it holds up right like even even
12:40
when they brought the show back, Like a lot of
12:42
the sort of old shows that they reboot like are
12:44
bad because they don't you know, the premise of whatever
12:47
was about is like and like you know that that
12:50
Robin hood nous that you really speaks to you, Yeah,
12:53
it's a Robin hoodness. And then also this I just
12:55
I like heist movies and this is like this is
12:58
like five Seasons of high movie that's also con artists,
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which is just extremely fun. Okay, it's funny because that
13:06
was one of those shows too where I just saw
13:09
the poster and I'm like, I don't know what that's about. Yeah,
13:12
I don't know what it's about. It's vague. Looks like
13:15
people standing in front of a truck. Okay, maybe they're truckers.
13:18
But now, okay, this is interesting. Maybe I have to
13:22
check this one. Yeah, it's a it's a good time.
13:24
It was a t NT original. It looks like, yeah,
13:29
that's when I was. I would never cast my eyes
13:32
upon anything from TNT. So yeah, this all tracks from
13:36
me back then. If you had suggested a t NT original,
13:39
we would have cut your feed. Yeah, it's not allowed out.
13:43
I do feel like there are a number of shows
13:48
like from that tear of cable, like, um, I think
13:53
Suits is one of these that I I just don't
13:57
I never gave a chance, purely because they or on
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t NT or USA, and I was like, well, yeah, okay, yeah,
14:06
like I'm gonna watch that White Collar and they're probably
14:11
I probably should have, so I will check it out. Leverage,
14:15
which you can watch on Apple TV for free if
14:19
you have an Apple or the is that what it's
14:22
called Apple TV or Apple plus whatever that is. They
14:27
have replaced from the main characters with an iPad. However,
14:33
it's as we talked about on yesterday's episode, the Apple
14:39
original programming is all just shot through with like kind
14:43
of the most aggressive product placement of all time. But
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all right, well, let's take a quick break and we'll
14:51
be right back. And we're back and we're just gonna
15:03
do like a general check in with the state of America.
15:08
But before we do, we were realizing before we started recording,
15:11
Jabari that the last time you were on was January five.
15:16
It's been kind of an uneventful eight months since. Uh no,
15:20
that's so the day before the insurrection you you were
15:24
on here last. So I'm just warning people, you know,
15:27
watch out for tomorrow Tuesday. We'll see what happens. Don't
15:31
sleep on the influence of nice exactly, grow with the
15:36
gravitational pull of Jupiter. There you go, There you go.
15:40
But Miles, you were kind of, uh you put together
15:43
some thoughts on just sort of this idea of America's
15:46
practice of selective empathy. Yeah, it's just like you know,
15:51
like just like last time with the media not talking
15:54
about Afghanistan in one way, Like now I look at,
15:56
you know, with the conversation talking about resettling Afghan refugees.
16:01
I was just you know, seeing how the momentum was
16:04
moving very swiftly, you know, because there's about eighty eight
16:07
thousand Afghans that assisted, you know, occupying American and Allied
16:12
forces during the Forever War. And now the US is
16:16
like obviously scrambling to relocate these people to fulfill a
16:19
moral obligation um since you know, like leaving them and
16:23
their family members behind in the places like Taliban is
16:26
like trying to have retaliatory attacks against these people just
16:30
is what it should be done on a minimum level,
16:33
if not more people. And then you look at the polling, right,
16:35
Americans are pretty much on the same page like Democrats,
16:39
sevent of Republicans are saying like yeah, we like we're
16:43
I'm open to I I'm not opposed to resettling these
16:46
people in America and understand like that the narrative is
16:51
they helped the the army, so they should just like
16:55
that's their ticket to the United States. And another story
17:00
where I read about these South Florida Republicans who were
17:03
very enthusiastic about welcoming these people. And I'm not I
17:06
don't have any opposition to the fact that they're open
17:08
that they feel, you know, aligned with this sentiment. But
17:13
it just says like a lot right because like, at
17:15
a minimum, it acknowledges that these people put themselves and
17:19
their loved ones in harm's way to help the United
17:21
States military, and they understand like the reciprocal nature of
17:25
this transaction, Like that's okay, we get it, y'all all
17:27
could have got sucked up helping the US. Are are
17:30
are you know, brave men and women out there? So
17:33
this this you know, equates to a ticket back. But
17:36
like this other way to sort of underlines this fucked
17:39
up way in which Americans choose to have empathy for
17:42
displaced people, Like if you are working in service of
17:45
the American war machine, then it's a no brainer that
17:50
you know, like oh man, like because then it's like
17:52
you were one of the good ones, you know what
17:54
I mean, Like we came fucked up your country, you
17:56
still helped out, you know what. That's worth a ticket
17:58
back here, We thank you, thank you, thank you. And
18:01
then you know, and then even though like normally the
18:03
narrative around Afghan refugees, like on Fox has basically been
18:07
terribly islamophobic and xenophobic and you know, ethno nationalist, but
18:12
seventies six percent of Republicans feel that it is our
18:17
duty as Americans to take these people in. And I'm
18:19
just like, what the funk what does this say about
18:22
every other situation that we're involved in that intersects with
18:26
the United States foreign policy and displacement of people, and
18:29
even domestic policy and displacement of people that where does
18:33
It's just it's it's a it's amazing to see how
18:36
people can just selectively be like, yep, those people deserve
18:39
empathy those people at the board or not so much.
18:42
I mean, granted that you can draw straight lines from
18:44
American foreign policy and intervention in Latin America to why
18:48
we have this immigration problem. And on the same level,
18:51
if it's like, well, these people are displaced because you
18:53
get cheap fruit for the for fucking dole or whatever,
18:57
that there's no there's no empathy, there's no understanding of
19:01
what the root causes are. And it's just kind of
19:04
you know, I'm just sitting there thinking, right, here's another
19:06
example of all that. Right, It's what I wonder if
19:10
it's because the cheap fruit is like, you know, it's
19:15
implicating the consumer, you know it is it kind of
19:19
gets it this undercurrent where it's like, yeah, all of
19:23
this is being done to just feed the kind of
19:26
massive consuming machine that America has instead of a soul,
19:31
and we don't want to acknowledge that. Right, And if
19:33
you go just slightly broader, right, the fruit is like
19:36
one dimension because the whole point of fighting all these
19:39
like all the intervention in Latin America was the way
19:41
the US was fighting the Cold War. Kind the whole
19:43
thing was like, do not do not like communism root
19:45
on the continent, and we'll do whatever the funk we
19:48
have to do by hook or by crook to figure
19:51
out how to stop that momentum. So on some level,
19:54
you could argue that this was happening to protect America's freedom,
19:57
right like that that rhetoric is sort of that, like
19:59
our logic was being applied. Yet again we look at
20:02
displaced people from there and go, that's that's your problem,
20:05
that's problem. Well, I mean, really, the it has always
20:09
felt like the cut off, and it's it's very clear
20:11
at this stage, especially over these last couple of years.
20:13
To cut off is like, do we feel like these
20:16
people have you have value to us? Do we? And
20:18
I'm not saying the three of us. I'm not saying
20:20
like you know, you know, those of us that actually
20:22
have natural empathy, but I'm saying you'll, you know, general public.
20:25
Oftentimes it seems like if they if we don't feel like,
20:28
you know, there there's value monetary actual value to you,
20:31
then it doesn't matter. And and and then and that's
20:34
and that's more telling about you know, about society because
20:36
you know, and it's actually it's not just how we
20:38
look at you know, at you know, you know, people
20:40
in foreign lands, how we look at people in America.
20:42
If you are poor, you aren't you you're don't you
20:44
ain't ship you know, like if you if you're not
20:47
out here working, if you're not out there contributing to this,
20:49
you know, to this system, then you you know, you're
20:51
not worth our time. So yeah, it's and and like
20:55
and I get though too. You know a big differences
20:58
with Afghanistan, and you know, everything that happened in nine eleven,
21:02
there was just you know, NonStop, it was a prime
21:05
time TV conflict for for a certain point, and so
21:09
people and there is countless TV shows, you know, and
21:13
and films that were like talking about like what's happening
21:16
over in the Middle East and things like that post
21:19
nine eleven, that that was a thing that people had
21:21
just like this sort of concept of but there isn't
21:23
much talking about American intervention in other places and things
21:27
like that and that this. But but then I'm like, Okay, well,
21:30
maybe it's a historical thing, right, like because people know
21:33
what what's going on in Afghanistan and like they're like, okay,
21:35
well that I understand why we need to extend empathy there,
21:38
even though truly it's not even it's only being extended
21:41
to eighty eight thousand people among millions in the region.
21:45
But it's the same thing with like Black Americans. We
21:47
fucking built this country, right, and the land was stolen
21:50
from indigenous people, Yet these groups are still like I
21:53
don't know what the funk y'all problem is, right, what
21:56
is your what is going on? And and so it's
21:59
just it's just it's like sickening to watch how certain
22:03
issues that deal with things that are happening within the
22:05
country and are so clear of like why we need
22:07
to correct things, you know, but there's just not the
22:10
energy for that yet. For these things, there's like a
22:12
lot of there's just a lot of media momentum, and
22:16
Americans can selectively say like, right, I I totally understand
22:19
why we need to our obligation to resettle these these refugees.
22:24
Yet we still are unable to look at all these
22:27
myriad of ways that we're connected to other struggles and
22:30
problems within the country and outside and still not be
22:33
compelled because it's easy to turn a blind eye and
22:36
you and you know, the next thing will come up
22:38
and we'll all obsess about that I after they have to.
22:41
You know, honestly, y'all know, like I appreciate shows like this.
22:44
I appreciate ethnically ambiguous and you know, like those wonderful
22:48
ladies and the and and both and answering, you know,
22:50
for pointing stuff like this out, whether it's on you know,
22:52
whether it's on the shows, whether it's on you know,
22:54
you know, whether it's on the timeline. And actually you know,
22:57
through conversations with and in particular, you know, like she
23:00
was the one who pointed out, like you we we
23:02
as a country, we we definitely pick and choose. We
23:04
definitely pick and choose what's going to matter, Who's going
23:07
to matter, you know how much it's you know it's
23:09
going to matter. And we really can't do that, you know,
23:11
it's it's it's it's well, I say, we really can't
23:14
do that. Yes we can, but we obviously really shouldn't
23:16
because look at where we're at, right Yeah, it's yeah,
23:20
And this whole thing is just about preserving like like
23:25
you say, we were selective about where we choose to
23:29
understand what's at stake or what the consequences were for
23:32
other people based on certain policies, and and like then
23:37
the second we try to inform people right of like history,
23:42
we see what happens, it's just met with rage and
23:45
violence because it's you know, the the whole the ignorance
23:50
is meant to intended to sort of preserve this American
23:53
sense of moral purity. And with Afghanistan, I think it
23:57
gives people a really easy thing to be like, up,
24:00
there was a war there. These people are basically they
24:03
fought on this team, so they get to come on
24:05
back on the bus back to the locker room after
24:08
the game kind of mentality. But the second, it begot
24:11
begins to really sort of intersect with something a little
24:13
more like closer to home or something that you may
24:17
actually have to think about deeper than just merely this
24:20
like very clean sort of logic path. Then it becomes
24:24
chaotic and things like that, and it's yeah, it's just
24:26
it's fucked up because there's countless ways that people are
24:29
being left behind, whether it's in the Middle East, in
24:33
South Asia wherever. But we you know, we we we
24:38
chug along on this path and like we only see
24:40
things get worse. I'm just kind of thinking, like what
24:42
does it take, you know, because if it's not about
24:44
connecting people to the history to understand sort of like
24:48
the US's place in that, what like what will do it? Yeah,
24:53
there's Americans seem particularly bad at feeling empathy towards poor
25:00
people in our own country because I think they're you know,
25:04
we I talk on to hear a lot about like
25:06
just the work, the like psychological work that needs to
25:10
be done too for like kind of the passive white
25:15
supremacists in the country to just like go about their
25:19
daily lives and like kind of pushed down whatever that
25:23
that reality is, whatever realities are hitting them. Like whether
25:27
it's somebody living on the street or you know, the
25:31
videos of police shooting innocent people of color. Like, there's
25:36
just so much work that's having to be done for
25:38
them to like block that out. And so by letting
25:42
in empathy for anybody in the country already, you're almost
25:47
having to admit like that that whole thing is on
25:51
shaky foundation, Whereas I feel like the Afghanistan War and
25:55
the Iraq War, the media and the American people were
26:00
able to like kind of think of it as a
26:02
thing that was separate from them, So that's enabling them.
26:06
And then you know, the specifics of the really shocking
26:11
and horrifying footage from the airport, especially in those early days,
26:15
I think like probably just crystallized things in the kind
26:21
of American consciousness, which is wild though too, because there's
26:26
so many people that are destitute here and and yeah,
26:31
like it's just this, it's like we just want to
26:33
put our eyes on the thing that feels like it
26:35
can be solved in that one thing. Oh, the Afghanistan
26:38
thing can be solved if we get enough people on planes,
26:40
and then it's over and off to think about it
26:42
and it's done. I look at you know, you look
26:44
at things that happened in the streets of any city, Philadelphia,
26:48
of Baltimore, New York, l A. Wherever there's there's real problems,
26:53
and it's much easier, I guess, to go down that
26:56
path to think of how we can solve that is
26:58
just too much of a task for some people to
27:01
engage in mentally, when most of it really is just
27:04
about being like, no one's asking you to solve it,
27:06
but like fun man have the same feeling for for
27:08
that if you if your heart's broken seeing people who
27:10
are clinging to you know, trying to escape their country
27:14
to get here, and you can somewhat understand like, oh yeah,
27:16
I get that. Just just open your heart a little bit,
27:20
you know what I mean to be able to have
27:22
that sort of same level of compassion for more people.
27:26
But I don't know, that's just that's me being like,
27:28
what's what's wrong with us? But it also feels like
27:32
all of this is you know, very very specifically by designing, like,
27:35
for instance, there's a reason why we didn't ever see
27:37
the footage of you know, like what was going on
27:39
in Afghanistan. There's a reason why we didn't see the
27:41
body council's reason why they didn't even keep tracking a
27:43
lot of you know, in a lot of situations, there's
27:45
a really like it and the same thing goes where
27:48
you know, you know, domestically, individuals are no longer seen
27:52
as individuals if we just call them gangs or we
27:54
say that it's gang violence instead of saying like, these
27:56
are people, these are Americans that are you know, they're suffering,
27:59
that are in terrible situations, that are you know, innocent,
28:02
you'll you'll be you beyond beliefs at at at In
28:04
a lot of a lot of situations, it's easy to
28:08
just ignore. It's easy to do. You're like you to
28:10
look past people like it's the same it's the same thing.
28:13
You pull up, you put like let's say you're getting
28:15
off the freeway, you're getting off the four or five,
28:17
there's a dude sitting there right at you know, right there,
28:19
waiting for money. It's really easy. Folks will roll that
28:21
window of turn the music up and look forward. That's
28:25
what we've always done. Yeah, and I just yeah, and
28:29
I know like on some level, like you know, it's
28:30
it's a feeling of shame or powerlessness, like someone you know,
28:34
depending on how you you process it at times, like
28:37
for me, it's like a feeling of shame, like funck man,
28:39
Like I can't like this. I feel so helpless that
28:44
there's this person who's my age, who is We're probably
28:49
coming from very similar circumstances, and this is how things
28:53
shake up, because this is how things are, you know,
28:56
sort of designed in the country. Yeah, it's just and
28:59
I think it's it can be overwhelming for a lot
29:00
of people on some level too, But it's just like
29:03
this sort of very it's it's like one of the
29:05
many superpowers that Americans and American media have created to
29:10
sort of keep the status quo going in this direction,
29:13
which is one that doesn't really care for people that
29:16
are marginalized or in need of help. Just focus on,
29:19
like focus on the people who who got it right.
29:23
All right, let's uh talk about a new research poll
29:28
from Pew that is revealing the one of the big
29:33
differences between red and blue that we we weren't aware of.
29:38
I wasn't personally aware of. Yeah, it kind of makes sense. Well,
29:42
what is this new where is this new arena for
29:45
the political engagement? It is over the topic of walking
29:49
around your town. So when they look at these theys.
29:54
They just took a quick survey. I'm just curious about, like,
29:57
in the post pandemic, do people want to like live
29:59
in larger homes or that might maybe more spread apart
30:03
with distance between them? Do would they rather be closer
30:05
to people and be able to walk to places and
30:07
just have like more of that kind of thing. So
30:10
apparently only of conservatives that they pulled want to live
30:14
in a walkable neighborhood, while seventy seven percent preferred driving everywhere.
30:20
But what's funny though, too, is when it comes down
30:23
to Democrats or people who identify as liberals, they say
30:27
of moderate Democrats and fifty seven percent of liberals quote
30:30
unquote want walkable neighborhoods, resulting in a split among Democrats.
30:35
So it's just odd to look at these numbers, Like, sure,
30:39
I can understand why if you love your fucking truck
30:42
or whatever you want to walk around or drive around
30:45
or merely because you don't want to be around people.
30:48
But to think like for what you see is like
30:51
stereotypical liberal ideology would be more like environmentally conscious, and
30:56
maybe you think that people would be like, oh, I
30:57
would like better design of or better planning of my
31:01
city so I could walk around and do things like that.
31:03
But it seems like they're split a little bit more. Yeah,
31:08
I guess I understand why conservatives don't want a walkable neighborhood,
31:14
but like, what is the so they just don't want
31:17
people walking past their house. I think it's the same thing, right,
31:20
if you're you don't want a sense of community problem. Ultimately, no,
31:23
you don't want your house. You want your your land,
31:27
and no one's allowed on your land. We see this
31:31
in Los Angeles, where it is not a walkable city
31:36
and not a great public transportation city, although it's gotten
31:39
better in some ways, slowly slowly, where yeah, it's like
31:43
people don't even want other people's cars parked on their
31:47
block because homeownership makes people fucking insane. I think this
31:52
issue is super complicated, especially in California, because the walkable
31:58
cities thing is also like sometimes that's a dog whistle
32:02
for gentrification, right, but what we really need is just
32:08
like better public transport. I mean, I think some of
32:12
the walkable city stuff is also like taking this European
32:15
idea of the walkable city where everything central that hasn't
32:21
existed in California. Or anywhere in the United States since
32:24
like the nineteen fifties, you know, ever since colors like yeah,
32:28
they're like, hey, what if we gave you which I
32:29
wanted to make sure people had to have a car
32:31
to live in this place, for sure, But even like
32:34
even walkable cities, even places like New York that are
32:37
like where the place where you can go everywhere, you know,
32:40
people have cars, and people move to the suburbs and
32:43
then drive from the suburbs. The idea of the suburbs
32:46
is really the thing that killed walkable cities, and liberals
32:50
are just as into the suburbs as anyone else. M right.
32:54
This thing with like is especially in l a right
32:56
like there's because people don't aren't really put estrians there
33:00
in their cars all the time. It really diminishes your
33:04
ability to feel connected to anyone else. Oh, I completely
33:07
disagree with that. I totally disagree with that because I
33:11
think the idea that you're like connecting with people around
33:15
with you, that New Yorkers are always like, yeah, I'm
33:17
just talking to everybody on the subway, running into my
33:20
friends all over town. Absolutely not. People can be completely
33:24
isolated in a crowd of people. In fact, you can
33:28
feel the loneliest you've ever felt in a huge crowd
33:31
of strangers. You know, everyone is not your friend necessarily immediately.
33:37
I have all kinds of social interactions from my car.
33:41
I have like daysed and confused interactions, which to me
33:44
is like just as counts just as much, just like
33:47
talking to somebody on the street. What are dazed in
33:50
confused interaction? You like, talk to somebody out your car.
33:52
You roll down your window and talk to somebody. I
33:55
went out the other night and I talk to like
34:00
some guys on a motorcycle who started hitting on us
34:04
from from the motorcycle. And then I went to Del
34:09
Taco at midnight and I ran into my friend Michelle,
34:12
who was also at Del Taco at midnight, just in
34:15
the line at the drive through. Yeah, nice honking behind you.
34:19
Yeah yeah, yeah, So that's what it's, you know. But
34:22
I think the reason I bring that up right is
34:24
because I totally agree in that even just being physically
34:28
in proximity to someone doesn't necessarily create a sense of community.
34:32
But there's a way that you can absolutely shut yourself
34:35
off by being in a car all the time in
34:39
a way that like it's it's much easier to insulate yourself.
34:43
I know there are ways to do that in many walkables.
34:45
What do you say, you know, headphones man Like people
34:47
are putting their earbuds in like, But there's a difference
34:50
right between you never seeing somebody like you know of
34:55
of any different social class or whatever, and you have
34:58
whatever idea built up because it's born out of some media,
35:01
diet or whatever your social group says about a given
35:06
another group. And I think being in a car really
35:09
does allow that to reinforce in a way that I
35:11
think is can be pretty exceptional. I think you are
35:14
very much You're a very social person, and I'm also
35:17
across the line. But I think there is like even
35:20
for me recently, right, I started riding my bike more
35:23
because I wanted to be I wanted to like actually
35:26
feel like be around my neighborhood, see people out of
35:30
their homes too, and reinforce this idea that like, I'm
35:33
also around other human beings that are trying to live
35:35
in the same way versus it's easy to get caught
35:38
up inside, so I guess more so in the pandemic,
35:41
to get inside your house and just start creating a
35:44
sense of the world that might not actually exist because
35:47
of like what you're consuming media wise. So for me,
35:50
and maybe this is just more of a personal thing,
35:52
I found it a lot easier to be like in
35:55
public space around other people, and I'm not necessarily talking
35:59
to people, but there is something that just feels different
36:01
than being in a car and just like just having
36:05
you know, like completely sort of insulated. Yeah, I guess
36:08
it's also like I feel like in l A, people
36:10
drive somewhere to walk, you know. So it's like people
36:15
do walk, they just have to drive somewhere to walk
36:18
there because it is a gigantic place and we don't
36:22
have the greatest public transportation, right It's like, Yo, let's
36:26
let's drive forty minutes to go walk Ford you pretty
36:29
much that is, you know what I mean? And and
36:32
I think that's what I love about biking, or I'm
36:34
getting more into it now. I like cutting down a
36:37
lot of shorts. I like biking. I do I think
36:39
out there, I think biking in l A is kind
36:42
of terrifying because of culture. You know. I've been other
36:46
places where I'm like, it's easier to bike here because
36:48
it's a like I do think having real bike lanes
36:52
would be great for for l A, we could use
36:55
a lot more bike lanes. Everything is definitely centered around cars.
37:00
I do think cars here are a little bit like
37:03
guns in Texas and that you will pry them out
37:07
of our cold dead hands, right right, right right, because
37:10
that's how Yeah. Like, so I do think we're just
37:12
gonna get We've got to get better electric cars rather
37:16
than trying. I don't think there's gonna be in l
37:19
A without cars ever, probably no, No, people are like
37:23
just habitually, there will be in l A without cars,
37:26
but it'll be after like yeah, that's when the roaches
37:29
are running. But yeah, like you know, my partner, for example,
37:33
she's from d C, so her outlook on using a
37:36
car is so different than mine, being a valley scum
37:38
rat kid who like the car was your like to
37:41
me was like liberation, like when you're younger. And so
37:44
there are a lot of times she's like, why wouldn't
37:45
you just walk there? And I'm kind of catching with
37:47
something like because this is l A. And then I'm like, man,
37:51
I'm completely fucking I'm not even looking at things in
37:53
a way that will allow me to like actually just
37:55
make it sure you could have good public transportation and
37:58
walk ability, but then you'd have to live in Washington,
38:01
d C. I mean, as we found out in the
38:07
movie Crash, sometimes those of us in l A crash
38:10
or dank cars and what I'm saying again to feel connect.
38:14
Maybe it's just me. Maybe it is because I just
38:17
go out cruising all the time, looking for action and
38:20
like you know, crashing into people, fighting with the city.
38:24
As as Miles one said, he thinks I do all day,
38:26
which is what I do all day. But yeah, I
38:30
do just think like the idea that car culture is
38:33
inherently isolating is not I don't think it's true. Yeah,
38:37
but also, yeah, it's nice to walk. I walk around
38:39
in my neighborhood. But also because la is so spread out,
38:43
it's like sometimes you walk somewhere and you don't see anybody. Yeah,
38:47
and it's and I think that's what's also kind of
38:49
a bummer too, because like I'll go on parts of
38:52
the l A River and bike and like you'll see
38:55
these like pockets whre there's a lot of people, and
38:56
then suddenly I'm like there's like tumbleweeds and ship I
39:00
love to some boys. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
39:02
this is again back to the urbanism stuff. Like the
39:05
big issues in California are that we need more dense
39:10
housing for people because we are a city of a
39:14
lot of people, but there's all these single family homes
39:18
and that's what everybody thinks they get if they go
39:22
to California. But I can't have that anymore. And again,
39:28
I do think people are gonna maybe hold onto that
39:30
idea a little bit with they're called dead hands as
39:34
climate change happens. Yeah, well, I think because we're sort
39:38
of all inundated and like inoculated with the concept of
39:42
like American wealth building is based on real estate holdings, right,
39:45
which doesn't work anymore when the houses are burning down
39:49
all the time and being you know, flooded by hurricanes,
39:53
and especially as insurance companies start to drop people that
39:58
are in natural disaster zones, which is what I think
40:02
Mike Davis said is probably going to happen next, you know,
40:05
because so far it's just been like everything burns down
40:09
in Malibu or whatever, and then they just build it
40:11
back bigger every time. But there will come a point
40:14
when the insurance company has refused to do that. But
40:17
then what happens, Like banks are like lobbying and they're
40:19
like homeowners insurance is a is a right, Like it's
40:23
fucking medical insurance. You know what I mean to do?
40:25
You know? And I think I don't know. I think
40:30
people are are also just thinking about where they do
40:34
want to live. I do think that I do know
40:36
some liberals who moved to some walkable cities because they
40:40
were like, if I'm stuck at home during the pandemic,
40:44
I'd rather be somewhere I can like walk around and
40:46
walk to a place that I want to go. Then
40:49
in the suburbs, where I thought I wanted to be
40:52
right and just walk four miles and all you see
40:55
is like a desolate spearmit rhino, like an industrial park. Okay,
40:58
but that's the beauty to me, miles you know that,
41:02
Like I love it. But yeah, like we people don't know,
41:04
they're not used to that one in North Hollywood, well yeah,
41:07
but that's like we walked to the Century eight, which um,
41:12
I think is a different theater called something else now maybe,
41:15
but I looked it up recently on YELP and was
41:17
very delighted to see that the reviews were like this
41:22
place is still very scary at night. Yeah, everybody was
41:29
like this is the sketchiest parking lot I've ever been,
41:31
And I was like, man, I love the valley. Yeah,
41:35
they're like, now they shot a fucking what's not wonder
41:38
Captain Marvel in that park, I think. So you're talking
41:43
about the one in North Hollywood, right, Well, yeah, there's
41:45
there's a couple of scary theaters in North Hollywood though. Yeah,
41:48
but that one by the old Wells Fargo Bank that
41:50
has like the huge mirror lie So that's the that's
41:52
the other one, that's the that's the Yeah, that's that
41:55
one's closed forever. I think Century eight is still open
41:58
and you can go see movies. Because I was like,
42:01
now that the arc lives posed, where can I go see?
42:04
Like if I wanted to see in like a Fast
42:05
and Furious movie, Like, where would I even go? It's like,
42:08
what if I just start going to that theater again,
42:11
which I could walk to? So maybe that brings it back.
42:13
Maybe you're right, maybe we all love walkability. That's right.
42:17
All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
42:20
back to talk about how COVID is affecting rap rock
42:25
legends of our youth. And we're back, and Adam Levin
42:40
has been replaced by super producer on a streaming corner, assholes,
42:49
open your ears. Sorry, Yeah, hard to pivot from that
42:53
very serious conversation about security and privacy and now the
42:57
pressing issues of our time, the way we distract ourselves
43:00
healthily from that television TV. Although this I feel like
43:05
this show really nailed something about the zeitgeist or just
43:09
I guess America. Oh White Lotus or yeah, White Lotus
43:13
show definitely always is always nailing the ze gust. Hello,
43:17
Anna Hosnie, thank you for joining us. What why why
43:21
do we watch White Lotus? When you first said why
43:24
are you watching it? What was parting? Well, okay, first
43:27
I have to do my streaming corner theme song. Okay,
43:30
go go go three six seven ten, batty d d
43:37
do dude, it's a stream in corner. Bad dot dot dude,
43:46
it's a stream in corner. You didn't watch White Lotus,
43:52
did you? You didn't watch It is gonna happen to
44:05
last time? When we were like, alright, well so I
44:09
missed all that. I was doing my theme song. We
44:13
were just saying that you have delaying because you didn't
44:16
actually watch White Lotus when we asked you about Godfather too, anyway.
44:23
Pretty I've ever been more offended than people just speaking
44:26
through my forty five minutes stream of corner. And we
44:30
were just so confused. We didn't want to get scammed again. No,
44:33
I was just um, I was, what is it when
44:35
you're like pulling from someone? I was pulling my inner
44:38
Kim Cantrell Chanel. Um. I guess before we get into
44:46
the just the talk, I'll I will read what the
44:48
description of White Lotus is, so if you haven't seen it,
44:51
you understand what we're gonna be ranting and raving about.
44:53
They say from Mike White, the creator of HBOS in light,
44:56
The White Lotus is a sharp social satire following the X.
45:00
It's a various employees and guests at an exclusive Hawaiian
45:02
resort over the span of one highly transformative week, As
45:05
darker dynamics emerge with each pressing day. This biting six
45:09
episode series gradually reveals the complex truths of the seemingly
45:12
picture perfect travelers, cheerful hotel employees, and idyllic locale itself.
45:18
There it is, and another interesting fact, Mike White did
45:22
in fact go to high school or college. I forget
45:26
with my friend Laurie's wife really okay, yeah, the other day.
45:31
Now we're looking with guests, now we're cooking. He also
45:34
did he write he wrote School of Rock. He's enlightened
45:39
with Laura Derny Yeah, yeah, but also School of Rock.
45:42
He's okay, stop bringing up School of Rock every time.
45:47
But interesting, kind of varied career. But this is I
45:51
don't know, very kind of keenly just sharply observed about
45:58
the one percent, I guess, and uh and their relationship
46:02
to themselves in their world and there their leisure, their leisure.
46:08
M I don't know. It was how do we get
46:11
into this? What do we? What do we? I mean? Yeah,
46:14
I just say so, like I know there's been a
46:16
lot of think pieces on it and all that, but
46:18
you know, I'm not really one that thinks too hard.
46:20
So I just thought it was just like a fun
46:23
dark comedy that just like kind of you know, showed
46:28
that rich white people are just like vapid, idiot losers,
46:31
and that's just kind of like funny to me. Yeah,
46:35
some woman, like I'm really simple, Like if you're like,
46:38
look at this rich white woman, like she doesn't get
46:42
that like white men are over I'm like, it's me um,
46:47
so like that's all it really takes for me. Yeah, well,
46:50
I think because a lot of people I felt like,
46:51
we're mad because they were expecting this show to have
46:54
some kind of really biting sort of commentary on what
46:58
it was. And I get that maybe you thought because
47:02
it was like adjacent to something really interesting, because throughout
47:05
this show, like there is this juxtaposition of like understanding
47:09
like what life is like for the people of Hawaii,
47:12
like the relationship that it has to the mainland, and
47:16
like just how like sort of the cast system that
47:19
even Annexation has created in that sense, But there's also
47:23
like there's just, yeah, this dark comedy aspect about it,
47:26
which just sort of makes it palatable. And I in
47:28
the beginning, I thought maybe this was going to be
47:30
all broader commentary on something like that, and in the
47:33
end it just was really just sort of this very
47:36
more narrowly focused dark comedy. So I didn't mind that
47:39
it didn't have that, because I also it was kind
47:41
of one a very American thing where like the show
47:44
almost was able to like observe an issue or like
47:47
a controversy, but not quite have a reckoning with it.
47:51
So it's just sort of like, damn that's sucking a while.
47:55
The vibe was that the show rather than like, this
47:57
is why we need to really seriously talk about like
47:59
what it means to have annexed the Kingdom of Hawaii,
48:03
you know, like all these other things, like what it
48:05
means for these power dynamics among all these other people.
48:08
But really it was just occupy Hawaii. Yeah, I know.
48:13
And and the kind of the great part about it
48:15
is that, like it just I kind of liked It's
48:18
like you didn't really try, and I'd rather you just
48:21
didn't try, Like you created humor and the fact that
48:25
like these people were really shitty and you're pointing it out,
48:27
but like they didn't really make that much of an effort,
48:30
and it's like I'd rather than not make an effort
48:32
than make like a half assed effort something, you know
48:35
what I mean and fall flat trying to be like
48:37
deep with it. But I feel like the commentary was
48:40
all there like that it definitely didn't end in a
48:43
satisfying way. But the way it ended was that the
48:47
people who you've kind of just been disgusted by the
48:51
whole time because they are just myopically just obsessed with
48:55
their own privilege, and like preserving the illusion that they
48:58
deserve like every thing, and like fighting anybody who's in
49:02
the service and service positions, like they just get away
49:06
with it and don't learn their lesson and that's just
49:10
like that that is how it works. Yeah, but didn't
49:13
that all feel like just in the writing like very
49:15
surface level, Like there were a lot of things that
49:18
they just touched on that they very quickly, very like
49:20
it was just like and then they like you know,
49:22
moved on, Like I feel like, yeah, you know, they'd
49:25
be like this guy hates the manager or whatever. Jake
49:30
Lacey's character Shane hates armand. Yeah, Shane hates armand and
49:33
it's like okay, but we're not really going to explain,
49:36
like explore further like what the funk is wrong with
49:40
Shane and like why, you know, like other than him
49:42
being like, look, I was just born into this, okay,
49:45
like what am I supposed to do? And it's like, yeah,
49:48
surface level, that's who he is, and that's all these
49:50
people are. They're all surface level people, right, Yeah, maybe
49:54
that is maybe that is the observation. So like just
49:56
to give people an idea, like there's like this tension,
49:59
there's there's character Armand who's like the hotel manager. Then
50:02
there's a couple of Nicole and Mark, which is played
50:04
by Connie Britten and Steve's On, who's like this wealthy
50:07
couple who have brought their kids and one of their
50:10
kids friends with them to just kind of like have
50:13
one of those rich people vacations. And then the other
50:17
story the other storyline involves Tanya, which is Jennifer Coolidge's character,
50:20
who's like mourning the loss of her mother and is
50:23
there to spread ashes alongside this newlywed couple of Shane
50:27
and Rachel, where this journalist has like married rich and
50:31
is kind of having this existential dilemma of like what
50:34
that means for her. Yeah, but I think that there's
50:38
something where when they're on vacation, they are left with
50:43
too much time to think about like just themselves and
50:48
how awful they are, so they like do things like
50:50
create the issue with Urmand that that Jake has. Or
50:55
Connie Britten, who's like supposed to be a Cheryl Sandberg
50:58
type character, is like at one went like moving furniture
51:01
around the hotel room, like just like doing these things,
51:05
like creating these tasks and these problems too, just like
51:09
focus on to like continue this like sort of endless
51:13
like competition and like urge to prove something that like
51:18
I feel like deep down they know they can't prove,
51:21
which is that they deserve any of this ship. Mm hmm,
51:24
what's um? I I want to say that this one
51:27
of the best things about this show, where like some
51:30
of just the individual performances and I don't know, I
51:35
just want to maybe go around and we can talk
51:36
about some of our favorite people from the show. I
51:39
remember when I wasn't watching yet and and it was
51:42
and you're like, due to Jennifer Coolidge, it's fucking crushing
51:47
this whole fucking show. And that's when I was like,
51:49
I'm watching because I'm such a Jennifer Coolidge fan. And yeah,
51:52
Tanya's character was called cool Dogs. Hey where the cool
51:58
Dogs at? But yeah, like honestly her performance is like fantastic,
52:03
and like her sort of storyline with Belinda and Natasha.
52:06
Rothwell's character was just like this fucking strange journey of
52:11
like white savior, doom and guilt and like also people
52:16
trying to act like they were being authentic by offering
52:19
or not offering money. It was a it was a
52:21
lot it was a lot. Yeah, you know, Jennifer Coolidge,
52:25
I mean truly like a legendary actor who like comedic
52:29
actor who never really I think, like I feel like
52:32
she gets you know, pigeonholed a lot in what she
52:36
has been offered in the past. And it was like
52:38
really nice to see her like playing this, like just
52:42
showing that she has like this wild range where she
52:45
can play like this, Like what is she She calls
52:48
herself an alcoholic she comes to like an alcoholic psychopath
52:53
or something like she's like under all you're just gonna
52:58
find an alcohol like psychopath and you're like wow, wow,
53:06
like that level of just like madness, You're like, wow,
53:09
she's kind of And the thing is she's nailing it.
53:11
Like her character, every person she interacts with, I immediately
53:14
feel bad for them. And that's how you know she's
53:19
nailing it. Yeah, she just walks up like you having
53:23
a good You're like, she's trappings. So she reminded me
53:32
of the character and shadows the energy vampire. Yeah, she
53:38
just came in and would destroy the life force of
53:43
everyone except the dying guy who she ultimately ends up with. Right,
53:48
I do want to add this one thing. Those characters
53:50
of Paula and Olivia like the gen Z college girls.
53:54
My dad said he like they made him feel so
53:58
uncomfortable that he couldn't get past the st episode because
54:01
he was getting like zoomer anxiety. He's like, oh man,
54:04
they're like they're just gonna fucking read your ass and
54:06
like you don't know what to do, and he was like,
54:08
yet he was feeling that off the screen. He's like, yeah,
54:11
I couldn't really get past it. First. They nail the
54:14
cruelness that gen Z can bring in their critiques, and
54:19
you're like, oh my, just like them reading at the
54:23
look that they both give you at the same time,
54:25
and you're like no, no, no, no, don't look at
54:27
me right because these characters are like almost like you know,
54:30
they have like the cutting commentary that like a five
54:34
year old would where they're like, oh you're bald, and
54:37
you're like, okay, thank you child, but they're just like
54:41
you're like an empty, like lame want to your wife.
54:44
Like they have like this expanded vocabulary and know a
54:47
lot more like psychological terminology, so like it's like the
54:51
same kind of observation, but it just cuts you in half.
54:54
But also they're just like disdained for things too. I
54:56
think was really that line where they're like, do you
54:58
guys meet on Riya You like, wow, okay you are
55:04
He's just like, oh no, You're just like damn. They
55:09
just come for you immediately. The reading is like the
55:13
books they're reading are like he's like, hi, like Nietzsche
55:16
and like Freud. Look, it's like okay, uh, nobody wants
55:20
nobody actually reads that. But um. And then Jake Lacy,
55:25
the like bro character who's like inherited a bunch of
55:29
money and like it seems to have like the most
55:31
violent conflict with like just well just with every everything
55:37
about himself and like he's always reading Malcolm Gladwell Blanket
55:43
and he's never yeah yeah and never making any progress,
55:46
and it's always like at the same place I thought
55:50
was he captures like a guy who says he's gonna
55:53
read on a trip energy and it's like yeah, almost, dude,
55:56
I'm bringing the book here. I'm bringing the book there.
55:59
I'm bringing I brought it to bed. No, I didn't
56:01
read it. I was about to, but you know, vacation
56:05
and I gotta say, Molly Shannon comes in. I mean
56:08
Molly Shannon is honestly, like every every role she plays
56:13
immediately is like she just progresses in a way where
56:16
I'm like, she's so fucking funny. She just comes in
56:18
as a mom who's just like, you know, like you're pretty,
56:21
you know, like that wedding I blacked out. You're like,
56:25
I don't remember you know, saying that. It's like, what
56:28
are you saying? People say it's lovely? I don't remember
56:31
that at all, but it was great, right, nothing, right? Yeah.
56:35
I feel like her, and I feel like the character Jake,
56:41
the mom, Molly Shannon, and the two gen Z girls
56:44
were like the ones that like stuck out to me
56:46
as like the most I don't know, like I hadn't
56:49
seen them on camera like in a thing before like
56:53
nailing to that degree, like that archetype because there, Yeah,
56:58
there's like a lot of pain in them, like the
57:01
like that is and the way they deal with it
57:05
is like very pathetic and like just completely like transferring
57:09
like their anger about one thing to another thing, and
57:13
they just really like nailed it in a way that
57:16
felt realistic and yet like so just obvious. And also
57:21
Steve's on. I forgot about Steve's on until I saw
57:23
him and I was like, oh wait, Steveson is actually hilarious.
57:26
His whole like meltdown through the series of like he
57:30
finds out his dad died of eates and and he's like,
57:35
I just first he thinks he has testicular cancer. Then
57:40
he finds out his dad died of eates because he
57:42
was you know, bisexual or or gay. Well, I don't
57:45
even know. It's not really explained. And then if I
57:48
let these like starts to be like he starts to
57:51
melt it down because he at one point he had
57:53
an affair and decides he wants to be open with
57:56
his son, and his son is he really not accepted.
57:58
He's just like okay, cool, dad, Like, stop telling me
58:02
about this. They're so like his character. And then just
58:10
like that scene at the dinner where they're like, be
58:13
nicer to your brother. You know, it's tough for young
58:16
white guys. And then like Paula, they're like, well you know,
58:20
the daughter is like you've never even asked Paula question.
58:23
And he's like, well, Paula doesn't know anything about me,
58:25
and she's like, well, I know about your balls, bro,
58:28
what do you mean walking around lament that? Yeah, And
58:31
then He's like, Okay, ask me a question, Paula, and
58:34
she says, what do you stand for? Oh my god?
58:38
His character just like like what do I stand for?
58:43
Because they're all that like emotional turmoil. He still lacks
58:48
the depth needed to analyze any of it, but he
58:51
can't do it. It's just I thought his character was
58:55
like perfect, just like Dad, he's just like kind of
58:58
checked out, so self involved with his own crap. It's
59:03
kind of nice to see like Zon he like you
59:05
can see that he can there's a like whatever this
59:08
next phases him playing this kind of weird middle aged guy,
59:12
like because that angs when he was younger, Like sure
59:15
it was funny, but I feel like it really suits
59:17
him now, like as he's gotten older and like you
59:19
know that he now looks like he I don't know,
59:21
it just feels like more spot on. And then also
59:23
like Molly Shannon too, It's just really helped to just
59:26
see like you're like fun, dude. Momy Shannon has like
59:28
always been super talented, but like now she's getting like
59:31
great roles to really you know fred or wings in. Yeah, yeah,
59:35
I thought this was a great role. There's one more
59:36
moment with Steveson the moment he gets the call from
59:39
his uncle and he's like, well, how did my dad
59:41
die of AIDS? And he's like he was sleeping around
59:44
with men. That face he makes, I cried, just his
59:48
I think his facial expressions alone throughout the series of
59:52
just like complete confusion, like what he Yeah, he embodied
59:57
the like circuits frying in a computer Reuters How made
1:00:01
that a facial expression? And then the face he's making
1:00:04
when he's just sitting like this the next day, where
1:00:06
it's with his hand with his face in his hand,
1:00:08
and his daughter's been like, that's really homophobic for you
1:00:10
to be this upset about it, Like what if Grandpa
1:00:13
was like a power bottom. It's a camp process any
1:00:17
of the information. I mean, I was dying, Mike what.
1:00:21
The creator and writer of the show's dad was Reverend
1:00:25
doctor James Melville White, a former speechwriter and ghostwriter for
1:00:29
the religious right figures such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
1:00:34
His father came out as gay in so kind of
1:00:40
lived in experience, right right? Cool? And are interesting? Mark Yeah?
1:00:45
And then the other character, I just want to like
1:00:47
Murray Bartlett as armand is like one of the most
1:00:51
realistic depiction of like a relapse just of being high
1:00:56
and like uninhabited and or uninhabited, and just like that
1:01:00
performance is fucking incredible. Yeah, that, especially that last episode
1:01:05
when like he's like fuck it, babe, It's yeah, it's
1:01:10
yeah that, I mean, his whole It's also like you
1:01:13
really felt for his character too, because like you know,
1:01:16
like he's he's trying to keep a ship together, he's
1:01:18
trying to stay clean, and he's also like in the
1:01:21
midst of like the most chaotic week of his career
1:01:25
is like managing a hotel with like unruly guests, finding
1:01:29
bags of drugs and not knowing what to do and
1:01:32
like his own demons. It's like, yeah, it's funny because
1:01:35
he provided a lot of comedic relief, but also like
1:01:38
super like you said, like this very realistic portrayal of
1:01:43
of someone just like struggling with their own addiction to Yeah.
1:01:47
I also like that the people around and we're kind
1:01:49
of like okay, armand no one was really that concerned
1:01:53
that this guy was so off the deep end. Like
1:01:56
you open your door and your boss is eating ass,
1:01:58
Like that's the problem there. I was just like, you
1:02:01
know what, not my business and seen the show. It's yeah,
1:02:05
you'll you'll be surprised, but I think it's worth checking
1:02:08
out for sure. Now, yeah, we should probably put a
1:02:10
spoiler alert at the beginning of this, because this is
1:02:14
no I think this is spoiler alert twenty minutes ago,
1:02:18
spoil alert all you can eat. But fet I actually
1:02:25
really like Dylan. He doesn't get yeah, I can have
1:02:27
any shift I want. I do have more like right,
1:02:32
And then I was just kind of like, yo, this
1:02:33
is so gross. And then I'm like, well, this is
1:02:36
this is this dark comation. It's like, finally, let's party.
1:02:40
There is a scene last episode that's the grossest thing
1:02:44
I've ever seen with Armand to be real, they have
1:02:48
to have like shown actual like that that right, you
1:02:53
can't fake that, or you it would cost a lot
1:02:55
of money to fake that, or you just don't put
1:02:57
it in a post. Yeah that's true. You think that
1:02:59
would digitize. I don't think. I think it worse. I
1:03:04
ran that back a number of times and just like
1:03:06
watch it and frame by frame and I'm pretty sure
1:03:09
that you did your own studies yourself trying to replicate
1:03:12
the shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like what are you
1:03:14
doing in the bathroom. Like everything about the suitcase, I
1:03:23
got a new one coming in the middle. Don't worry
1:03:24
about it. Anna as always such a pleasure having you
1:03:28
and your streaming corner on. Where can people find you
1:03:32
and follow you? Well? Hold on, I have to do
1:03:34
my outro song for sure, boy, just because your as
1:03:38
like another four that's the end stream, thank you. Yeah,
1:03:47
I can get the horn section from Scodio Policias, thank you.
1:03:50
I also sampled that. All right, that's gonna do it.
1:03:55
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1:04:04
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1:04:08
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