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Speaker 1
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
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Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments
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from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment
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laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is
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the Weekly zeitgeistal Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be
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joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented,
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the hilarious Chelsea Webber Smith. Well, thank you for being
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here with you guys. Thank you for having me back.
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It's always such a great conversation to be ahead. Yeah,
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I agree. I love talking to you guys. Oh, it's
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so good talking to you, as we've talked about before.
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You like your work on you know, social moral panics
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and just your kind of pop cultural history. Mind for
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pop culture history is just just injected right into my
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fucking veins. I love it. I will What are you
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trying to get a jumbo red top? You want to
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or want to? Is? Um? The other thing? I was
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gonna see what I was thinking to you when little
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nas x tworked his way to Hell. Okaybe I know
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that was full blown. It was you know, I will
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say it hasn't been great pr for Satanists the last
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little while here, you know, But yeah, I would think
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I think he has a brilliant PR team, which I'm
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sure he's a huge part of, because I think they
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knew what they were doing with that and what was
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going to happen. And is I appreciate a good PR
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stunt as much as I hate capitalism, I have to say.
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And that was a beautiful, beautiful rollout from start to
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finish there, and you know it was a Satanic panic,
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but man, things just the last Satanic Panic lasted like
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fifteen years and it's just like we're turning over. Oh yeah,
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we turned them over fast. But yeah, thank you for
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thinking of Yeah. You know, when Charles Manson died, a
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bunch of people called me, are you okay? And I
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was like, no, I don't like superho killers. How does
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that feel for you? What? Wait? What did you think?
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I was in the manna? Like, oh, my god, the
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same thing. Oh, his wisdom was so beyond and his music,
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let's not forget pour one out for another musical king,
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that's pretty ridic Did you ever hear those weird tapes?
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Those those are I remember dating somebody who put me on,
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put me on, but like played them for me for
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the first time, and I immediately was like, oh no,
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like why do you have all these MP three's, These
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are not good songs at all. And I was like,
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come on out to this y ch where me and
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my friends hang out, and uh, we can just you
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know about dumpster diving. It's like we love I can't
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remember it, but it's a real happy like let's go
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dumpster diving, you guys. And it's so he was heavily
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influenced by and even friends with the Beach Boys, and
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they both branched off in their opposite directions and took things.
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I think Kokomo is the most authentically and deeply satanic
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song in American culture because it's just like at that
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point where the hippies and like the sixties culture has
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completely sold its soul to capitalism and just like visions
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of you know, steel drums dancing in our head. Yeah. Well,
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it's so interesting because Charles Manson and the Manson family
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like a huge kickoff for the satanic panic because originally
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they were like, this is a Satanic ritual, and so
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it's just like and then it was like Rosemary's Baby
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and the ex are cists in all of these like
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Satanic movies with all this like happenings around them that
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we're supposed to be like like a cross was struck
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by lightning the night of the premier and you know,
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so it's just like the beginning of this Satanic panic
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that we're still I mean, we've always had a Satanic panic. Yeah,
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it just it just gets big sometimes it puffs up
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and I should say Satanic in the more evil than anything. Yeah, yeah,
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not nice Satanists who are just like challenging, Yeah, shall
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be the whole of the law. Yeah, is Satan is?
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I mean I feel like little Nozex is making Satan
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cool again. Like, yeah, I guess the real Since the
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Satanic Panic only lasted all but fifteen seconds, has Satan
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lost its appeal in terms of being a lightning rod
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for outrage for conservative people? Like are we in a
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post Satan world now? Like Satan is no longer the
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worst thing? Well, I mean, I guess it depends on
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which Christians we're talking about, like the evangel because there's
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been such an Evangelical resurgence, right, So it's like those
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folks are definitely on board with like Satanic forces, you know,
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controlling realism, like all that stuff is still around, but
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I think it's I mean, it's lost its power problem
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a little bit, you know. But it's just like the
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metal Heads, right, It's like the metal Heads of the eighties.
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It's in the backwards records. It's all the same ship.
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It's just a little bit more so and it's sexier now. Yeah,
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you didn't have to play that video backwards to hum,
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but he did kill Satan. Yeah. Did you ever witness
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a wave of comedy like sketch sketch comedy around Manson
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and the Beach Boys working together. I can think of
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like three things like sketch comedy pieces that were about
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Manson and the Beach Boys elaborating and they were like
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the there was just so stupid but laughing. So it
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was like the old I think you should leave now
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bit where he's like trying to contribute lyrics about like
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the Spooky Day and the guys that trying of recorded
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legit song, like the Beach Boys working on some harmonies,
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and then like sort of the the game of the
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sketch was like Manson breaking, He's like yeah, and then
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Satan would come in and drip blood down on the
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thing and they're like we're talking about young woman's new
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car that she's driving to the beach, like alright, alright,
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yeah stuff and kept coming back with all kinds of weird.
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Oh man, when you look sketches also so good that
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you referenced I think, yeah, we look at the like
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battle between within the beach boys, even accepting Charles Manson,
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like the over the lyrics. It's such a bummer because,
06:49
like as Brian Wilson was trying to make Pet Sounds
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and Smile, you had Mike Love, like who was just
06:57
a like branding dude, like a marketer from the start,
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who was like, no, man, it's all about the chicks
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and the cars and yeah. And then like when Pet
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Sounds didn't like sell a bunch of albums out of
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the gate, he like used that to just be like,
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see what did I tell you? Man? You don't you
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don't know ship, leave it to me, Mike Love, And
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that that started the whole Yeah, it's a it's a bummer.
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It is a saga. What is something you think is overrated? Ah?
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So overrated? Um, I'm trying to figure out the best
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way to phrase this, but I would say talent or
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like the word talent, so this is kind of speaking
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as an artist. So I got my training like a
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long time ago, back in high school. Primarily I've been
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kind of drawing on and off, but doing other stuff.
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I was an English major and university and all these things,
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so kind of like art became kind of more of
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a hobby, but like I still continue to do it,
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you know, in my free time, and I just get
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very tired at this age, Like I'm thirty now, and
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I'm always hearing people say, oh, you are so talented,
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your artists so good, You're so talented, and artists a
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skill just like any other skill, any other tree that
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you can do um and so like it's something I
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studied to do, Like I didn't just like magically become
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good at art, Like I had to work to get
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good at art, I guess. So I know that people
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mean well when they say that, but I prefer the
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word skilled over talented. I would say, yeah, I think,
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because I think it obscures essential part of what it
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means to do, like any kind of creative art that
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you engage in. I think to put that word talent
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because I used to have this idea too of what
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art was or what an artist was or did, and
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it was a person who was just I don't know,
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You've got these freaks walking around call artists and they
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just can't help themselves but to pick up a brush
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or an instrument or whatever, and they just fucking do
09:02
their thing. It's wild. It's like they're like kind of
09:05
the superheroes of our of our culture in a weird
09:08
way without really like thinking like, no, these are all
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just fucked up people who this is a thing they
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really like to do. And the process of even being
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creative is like it's never this magical thing where someone
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is just thinking so originally and they came up with something.
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I thinks why. There's like a book I read. It's
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a very easy read. It's called how to Steal Like
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an Artist. That really helps like deconstruct this idea that
09:31
like people aren't just iterating on things that happened that
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they've they've looked at or were influenced by, rather than
09:37
this idea that like in a vacuum, you're hit with
09:40
inspiration and coming up with something so next level. And
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I think that maybe help will help people embrace like
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their own interest in a certain artistic endeavor. Like it's
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like anything, it's a muscle. You gotta The first ship
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you're gonna do isn't gonna be good. It's gonna be whack.
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But you like it and it doesn't matter. And that's
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the beauty of it is that it doesn't matter. You
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just keep doing it and keep doing it and you
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get better and better. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I
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think most artists like to um at some point, you know,
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we all like like to redraw stuff that or will
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not just necessarily draw, like any art, you know, they
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like to redo the thing that they did before to
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see how they've grown. It's like the easiest way also
10:17
to show other people how they've grown. Of course, I
10:19
draw so differently from what I did like ten years ago,
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or you know, twenty years ago when I was a kid.
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But well, I guess right now I'm more primarily doing
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like digital painting and stuff like that. I do also
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lots of fiber arts, so I'm also working in starting
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knitwear design. So I knits and I spin, I sow
10:39
a little bit, and those are all skills also, and
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I didn't always know how to do those things either, right,
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I mean, just looking at the art, like when you
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go to your Twitter feed, there's like four different pieces
10:53
of art in your pinned tweet and oh yeah because
10:56
it was portfolio day. Yeah yeah, it's very like it's
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encouraging to me to hear you say that like talent,
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like that it's not just god given talent because like that,
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this is like you. It's like you have photo realistic stuff.
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You have like really cool looking, like more cartoon influenced stuff,
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and like I just feel like people I would look
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at that and be like, Okay, here's somebody who just
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woke up and was able to like reproduce whatever was
11:29
inside their head. So that's pretty dope to hear. Yeah. Yeah,
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I still think that my art could use improvement, but
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I do I do appreciate hearing that people enjoy my artworks.
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The process. You know, we're never done. We're never done,
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you know what I mean. I think that's the biggest
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I think that's the biggest gift you can give yourself
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as a creative person, because yes, while we can always
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be like I can do better and ship. Trust me
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as a Japanese person, I know, I know the ship
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that can get in our heads, specifically around like folk
11:58
like nailing down a raft and perfecting things because that's
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part of the culture. But I think in terms of
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like telling ourselves constantly, like we're always iterating, we're always evolving,
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so what my style is now will not be the
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style it will continue. It's just like you gotta go
12:16
easy on yourself because it's so easy, like fun, this
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should be better. Fucking I'm done. I'm frustrated because that
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should happens a lot, and it's very easy to burn
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out if you're not you know, giving yourself that. They
12:25
say that, like, um, like just in parenting, when the
12:29
worst thing to do is to compliment a kid on
12:32
like their natural ability in something, and the better thing
12:37
is to like treat it as a process where you're
12:40
like kind of learning and you know, make a verb
12:44
of it as opposed to like a commodity that the
12:47
kid is like, wow, you're you really like get math,
12:51
you're really good at math, and as opposed to like
12:54
you're doing great and math, uh yeah, wow, look at you.
12:59
Your your on your way to being a mathematician. Right,
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but yeah, you gotta you have to sort of take
13:05
out the past fail, good, bad, binary just talking about
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things like this because they're not that simple and because
13:12
of that, like how we wander in all these sort
13:15
of toxic ways of thinking. Yeah, yeah, definitely. That especially
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goes for things where it's I think people get caught
13:25
up in this, especially when it's like writing or doing
13:28
doing things that aren't as like evident outwardly, as like
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being a really being able to draw really cool ship
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you're like making music, where like feedback is a little
13:42
more instant. Yeah, stuff a bar uh feedback. I don't
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even think that was you mean whammy bar wam wammy.
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I call it wham because we're tight. Yeah. What is
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something from your search history that's revealing about who you are,
14:04
what you're up to? Oh boy, um Misha Barton. I
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looked up recently, uh in the in the pandemic. I've
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been rewatching the O C to It's part of my
14:20
nightly ritual to stay sane. I eat a little bowl
14:24
of potato, chips and pretzels and watch an episode of
14:27
the O C. Okay, what's your I'm not too I
14:31
want to continue this, but I want to stop you
14:34
there on the little bowl of chips and pretzels? How
14:36
do you prepare the how big is the bowl? And
14:38
what is your idea in terms of how you're you know,
14:41
moderating what the mixes in the amount. Great question. Uh,
14:46
so you got it. It's a small ball, it's you know, regular,
14:49
it's maybe a cereal bowl. All right, so it's not
14:51
like huge and uh you got you put like a
14:54
handful of potato chips, and this is how you have
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to work it out. For every two regular sized potato chips,
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you eat one pretzel and their role goald pretzels. Look,
15:05
we're in California. I can't get the good stuff. I'm
15:08
from Pennsylvania. If I was back in Pennsylvania, I'd be
15:11
getting tom Sturge pretzels. Tom Sturge is pretzels the best?
15:16
And uh probably, I don't know, goods potato chips whatever.
15:20
Potato chips don't have large um at this point, but um,
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that's the ratio. And so you're watching your oc getting
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your salty snack on and he thought, what's up to now? Well, yeah,
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really all of them. Also I learned something very interesting.
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Rachel Bilson comes from Hollywood Royalty. She's like the screenplay
15:44
for the Five Bloods this year. Maybe he's not nominated
15:48
but he should be. But yeah, that was a screenplay
15:51
that was like about five Vietnam vetts. That was like
15:55
has been kicked around since the nineties and then Spike
15:58
Lee came in and gave it a reason to exist.
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She went to my high school, Rachel, Wow, do you
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know her? No, she was like a senior when I
16:08
was a freshman. Was she actual student or was she
16:12
like already acting? And she's like, you know, like the
16:15
same thing like Kirston Dunns is also like when you're acting,
16:18
you don't go to You're not at school, like you're
16:20
just at you just you say you go to a
16:22
school for like the social part to say like, oh,
16:25
I go to this high school twice a year for
16:28
a test and then I'm on set the rest of
16:30
the time. Yeah. A lot of people don't know this,
16:33
but Laura Bundy, uh Andy, in her recent episode, I
16:39
revealed that Laura Bundy, Yes, that Laura Bundy, who played
16:43
one of the kids in Jumanji, went to my high
16:44
school in Kentucky. And that was a defining fact for
16:49
kids who went to my high school. Uh And Miles.
16:51
Miles was like, oh yeah, christ and Dunce went to
16:53
my school and a big deal and didn't even mention that.
16:56
Rachel Bilson did. I mean, look, you know it looked
16:59
at her Rammy Malick go out together when they were
17:02
in high school. I don't know you went to my
17:03
high school too. I've read they She posted a picture
17:07
when Rommy Malok was nominated for an Oscar. She posted
17:10
a picture them from high school, and apparently he wrote
17:12
her on Instagram, was like, please take that down. I'm
17:15
a very private person when it comes to awkward pictures
17:19
of me, and one is more like a kind of
17:22
round faced teen kid. Okay, sure, round me. Here's an
17:25
actual little known fact to me up until a couple
17:28
of weeks ago. Did you know that Penn Badgeley and
17:30
Adam Brody are not the same person. I. I had
17:36
just fused them as the same person in my head
17:39
because Dan and Adam was this character's name, Adamant so Dan.
17:44
Penn Badgeley played Dan and gossip Girl. Adam Brody played
17:47
Seth and the O C. And they were both like
17:52
the literary kind of nerdy character. And I had absolutely
17:56
completely fused them in my brain. Uh. And then Adam
17:59
Brody was on uh comedy Bang Bang the other week,
18:03
and I was like picturing Penn Badgeley the whole time,
18:06
Penn Badgeley's hot man Zucas? Right? That was that what
18:10
he is? That's what I That's how I remember Pendu Well,
18:14
Penn Badgually I've never seen with a beard. Does he
18:17
allow me to litter the chat with this image of
18:20
hot man Zukas? Yeah, he's the dude. Miles posted a
18:30
thirty line long link. Oh yeah, hot hot Zukas. Um
18:35
hat for Zukas. Maybe Vulture should do one of those
18:39
things where they have two friends talk except with Penn
18:42
Badgeley and man Zukas, right, Zukes and Penn, how is?
18:47
How's the OC holding up? I was not like I
18:50
watched a couple episodes when it first came out. I
18:53
never really got fully into it is a three. I
18:57
loved it when it first came out because Seth Cohen
19:01
I was close to that age, and he was into
19:04
indie rock and comic books and representation matters as we
19:08
all know what. I had never seen someone into Death
19:11
Cab and The X Men on TV before, so an
19:14
awkward Jewish kid into indie rock and comic books. So
19:19
I found that to be important in my development, but
19:23
not bad. It's not bad, honestly, like it's still pretty enjoyable,
19:26
Like they're all very good actors and they're having fun
19:29
mostly and there's some fun dialogue there. But it's like
19:33
it's it has the problems that any show that has
19:36
to do two episodes a season like they mostly used
19:40
to do UM have, which is like, how do you
19:44
fucking keep a show? How do you keep things going
19:47
for twenty episodes? So there's all these ups and downs,
19:50
so like everyone's breaking up every two episodes, and yeah,
19:55
I don't, right, don't they run into like the gotta
19:59
keep hyping sing it to the point that like or
20:01
not murders, but people die and like it goes happens.
20:08
That's the only thing I've never seen the o C before,
20:11
and I've only yeah, dude, I did, uh kind of no,
20:17
but I would say the country would, would you, Andy,
20:20
Could I obliging man in the year of our Lord,
20:24
one who has never seen the o C cast eyes
20:27
upon this master work and have an effect that is positive? Uh? Sure?
20:34
I mean, I don't know, they're not They're like, I
20:37
don't know, honestly, I don't know. I'm trying. It's tough
20:43
to think about it through the eyes of like present
20:46
day kind of woe Hollywood, And I say kind of
20:50
in the sense that like Hollywood today is like they
20:53
love hiring. It's it's like companies, but it's still like yeah,
20:58
but it's still like everyone behind the scenes as white,
21:00
so you're still getting a white perspective. Is just now
21:03
said through the mouth of a black person. Mostly there's
21:07
you know, obviously a handful of exceptions. I don't it's fun.
21:11
I don't know. I don't know like what you're looking for.
21:14
It's it's certainly not. I didn't find it too offensive.
21:17
It wasn't like I don't know if it it would
21:19
be offensive necessarily, more just like if as like you know,
21:22
like since you have a connection to it from back
21:25
in the day, you're watching it with a different sense
21:27
versus sort of objectively being like, yo, check out the
21:29
see check it out is streaming, baby, I look by
21:33
the way, I didn't say check it out. I said,
21:36
So you're saying I'm not saying to check it out. Yeah, yeah,
21:40
I was not. I was not recommending this. I was saying,
21:42
this is how I've survived, right, This is this is
21:47
my own unique medical intervention for my boredom, right right,
21:51
this is prozac for me, and I would never give
21:54
someone else that prescription. Right, what is something you think
21:59
is under rate? I have two things. The first one
22:02
I think I'll just quickly say, I think DMX prior
22:06
to his passing, I think a lot of artists do
22:09
get you know, they're the word. They're more celebrated posthumously,
22:13
and I just you know, it's I mean, he's an
22:19
o G. You know, he's a pioneer in the game.
22:22
He's he's so talented. How many hits did he have? Like,
22:26
and it's unique put other rappers on as well, Like
22:33
he has a legacy. And I just you know, I
22:36
know because he had his health issues. And I do
22:40
say health issues because that's how addiction should be treated,
22:46
you know. I think this society is very cruel and
22:52
oftentimes when people are in vulnerable situations like that, they
22:57
become the butt of jokes. So you know, now I
23:01
think people are you know, after the guy is so
23:05
sick and then past it's like he's being celebrated, But
23:10
I think he should have been celebrated, you know. Is yeah, Yeah,
23:16
he's a he's a he has a very unique place too,
23:19
because I think alongside just his like very clear charisma
23:24
and things like that. There was something about how he
23:28
projected his personality through Rapp that transcended a lot of
23:32
the weird I mean, granted, yes, like he he's an
23:36
o g of also the most some of the most
23:38
toxic should I've ever heard of rappers say, like without
23:41
a doubt, like things I'm like laughing now, like, oh
23:44
you wrote that down. And but after a while, like
23:49
as you really kind of look at his life and
23:52
its totality, you realize like from childhood he had been
23:56
in and out of like correctional facilities and juvenile detention
24:00
and things like that, because he was he was trying
24:02
to survive on his own. If you listen to the
24:05
to lib Quality interview he did last year, there are
24:08
moments where he is so open about things he has
24:11
been through that when you really look at it, you're like,
24:14
oh right, everyone just thought, oh he's the dog, like
24:17
oh wow, But truly, like it was a very broken
24:21
human being who had to adopt a much more aggressive
24:25
persona I think to sort of hide his own pain.
24:28
But within that, like he was able to also express
24:32
which is oddly enough, he needed sort of the language
24:34
of this, like hyper masculinity to be emotional, and he
24:39
was able to do that in a way that didn't
24:41
get him you know, people would be, oh, he's soft
24:44
because he's crying on stage and ship, but he cried
24:46
on stage and people felt that ship like in the
24:48
early two thousand's um And I think there's a lot
24:51
to be said about, you know, sort of like those
24:53
elements of his work and like, yeah, of course you can.
24:55
There's nobody has a legacy that's completely pristine. But I
24:59
think of with this one for sure, I think we
25:02
just took him as like an energy vibe rapper. But
25:05
as I kind of reflect more, I'm thinking of like
25:08
the things that actually pulled me in. And I think
25:10
it was how because he was so emotionally transparent on
25:13
top of like just being a great performer. But I
25:16
think it was he was able to be vulnerable in
25:20
a way that like a lot of like rappers really
25:23
weren't at the time. So yeah, he communicated more like
25:26
in the intros like before he started rapping, just like
25:31
was like so much just energy and pathos and yeah,
25:37
like just that dude's spirit that dudes energy is like
25:39
because I mean there was like the flex culture of like, yeah,
25:42
look at me what I got or whatever, and like
25:44
you know, I'm with this, this, that and the other
25:46
woman whatever. But it was a lot more about like
25:51
just dark ship that he was going through. It wasn't
25:54
as much of like the it wasn't as material. I mean,
25:57
later on, I think he started to make the more
25:58
like party albums and things are you know, track slightly different.
26:01
But at the end of the day, I think that's
26:04
really what I think was for me interesting because he's
26:07
coming up in the time where like hard Knock Life
26:10
or bad like bad Boy is sort of dominating the sound,
26:13
which is all materialism, and then to have this guy
26:16
like screaming in a tank top wearing a like chain,
26:19
like a literally like chain link as like a fucking
26:22
jewelry and you're like, ohh remember an X going to
26:26
give it to you when he was when he said
26:29
fight these tears, I was like, huh, that's yeah, you
26:32
want to fight me? Fight these tears? Are like wow, yeah,
26:36
that's like that's dark, that's that's emotional. Yeah, he's an artist.
26:41
He really is an artist. And like in terms of
26:44
having a pristine legacy, I mean, we're human. Humans are
26:48
no humans perfect, right, But he's he's an artist. Yeah,
26:54
he's artists thrown through And you can just tell from
26:57
the amount of people that showed up when he was
27:00
on his deathbed, Like it's it's weird. You know, we've
27:03
lost a lot of artists before. But it's interesting when
27:06
you can actually like you can begin to measure truly
27:09
like from the output of like people sharing memories or
27:13
like moving into physical space to be near. It is
27:16
a huge thing. So, yeah, sad to see him. It's
27:18
only only fifty young, fifty years young, rest in peace. Yeah,
27:25
it's a it's a tough time for you know, I
27:28
just anecdotally I know people who are passing because of
27:32
suicide and drug drug addiction, like more more than I
27:37
feel like I've ever like kind of just anecdotally, like
27:42
not not like close friends of mine, but close friends
27:44
of close friends. And it just seems like the pandemic
27:48
has taken a toll. And just in general, the fact that,
27:53
like Physy said, these are illnesses that people aren't willing
27:58
to treat his illnesses, that like those things are taking
28:01
a toll, especially in America, You'll see, I mean, and
28:04
you hope that these are the kinds of moments that
28:07
can hopefully shift move a prod the culture to move
28:11
forward a little bit, to be like if if you're gonna,
28:15
if you're willing to say the addiction was a tragedy.
28:17
When they're dead, you have to be able to have
28:20
that same empathy and energy for someone from the onset.
28:24
It can't be like, oh, you're crackhead and then it's
28:27
over there, because I think that I think that was
28:30
a lot of the discourse, especially in the last sort
28:32
of ten years or so when he really had kind
28:34
of fallen off, where people just like, oh, he's an afterthought,
28:37
like you know, he did that to himself, when when
28:39
it's so funny because most of us know we have
28:43
examples of addiction in that struggle in our lives that
28:45
we are very much invested in the wellness of that person.
28:49
But with celebrities it's like this thing. It's like, well,
28:51
fuck you till you die, and then when you die,
28:53
oh what a shame? Right, Yeah, yeah, alright, let's take
28:57
a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back,
29:09
and all right, let's talk briefly about infrastructure. Yeah, it'd
29:15
be nice to have some yeah here, alright, moving on, Yeah,
29:18
that's it. That's really my take, just my idea. I
29:21
just read this thing about France and I was like,
29:23
it must be nice. But you know, it's like a
29:25
lot of nations are, especially America, takes it's sweet fucking
29:29
time trying to figure out how to combat CEO two emissions.
29:32
There's like little examples of like just small things you
29:34
can do to have positive outcomes. Like in France, Um,
29:38
you know, when they're not busy in acting just horrifically islamophobic,
29:42
he job laws and you know, robbing people of agency
29:46
because that's just not how we get down here. Uh,
29:50
they are really trying to figure out like a practical
29:52
way to combat emissions. And not that I'm just saying like,
29:55
oh yes, shout out to them. But there's just an example,
29:57
right that they've been trying to read configure in internal
30:02
domestic flights with by saying if there is a flight,
30:05
an internal domestic flight that can be covered by train
30:09
in under two and a half hours, we ain't doing
30:12
that flight anymore. We're just not doing it. It doesn't
30:15
make sense because then you can take a fucking train
30:17
because on average the plane has amidst seventy seven times
30:21
more CEO to per passenger than the train. So that's
30:25
like a little thing you can do. Okay, it's so wonderful,
30:32
but we already got like things where like Republicans are like, oh,
30:35
given money to amtrack, right, Yeah, that's what my first
30:39
thought was, Like, wait, so the government's telling them to
30:42
do that and they're listening without like a enormous political
30:46
backlash on like a bunch of militia people like yeah,
30:50
they also do ship like be like oh, Air France,
30:52
you need some money. Okay, well guess who owns part
30:54
of that now the government? Because you needed some bailout money,
30:58
we're here. It's like it's my friend. Though, It's like, well,
31:02
if you were really thinking, imagine you were thinking like
31:04
a businessman, if another business person came up and you said, hey,
31:06
let me get alone, you'd be like, okay, give me
31:08
a stake in your fucking company. That's your fucking head
31:11
that come up with that ownership scheme. It's not like
31:13
the US government hasn't bailed out their lines like constantly
31:16
it's just bad PR to nationalism, I mean exactly, that's
31:22
all it is, is bad PR. It's actually good policy
31:25
and it makes for better outcomes by not allowing these
31:28
greedy funks to do whatever the funk they want. So anyway,
31:30
along those lines, it's just saying it's stuff like this
31:33
that the U S should be thinking about more aggressively,
31:35
because the other thing is like, as much as they're like, oh,
31:38
we're gonna go electric, all electric everything, it's gonna be electric.
31:41
Avenue was still mainstream electrical parade that when you see
31:44
our fleets coming down the street, Okay, fine, but that's
31:47
not Electric cars alone will not solve this crisis. Like,
31:50
especially when you consider the carbon footprint for the production
31:54
and transport of electric vehicles, it's not it's not like, oh,
31:57
electric cycling is actually going to have to factor in
32:02
on some level for us to really cut down on emissions.
32:05
And I was just reading this other piece, especially looking
32:08
at things happening in Europe as a result of pandemic,
32:11
like I think overall, but like interest in cycling has
32:15
gone up in this country myself included, like I use
32:18
a bike way more than I used to. But just
32:20
looking at simple things like this. In this study, they
32:22
found urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for
32:25
just one trip per day reduced their carbon footprint by
32:27
about a half ton of c O two over the
32:30
course of a year, and that's essentially the same as
32:33
the equivalent emissions from a one way flight from London
32:35
to New York. So and if just one in five
32:38
urban residents permanently changed our travel behavior in this way
32:41
over the next few years, it could cut emissions of
32:44
car travel too close to eight eight percent in Europe
32:47
specifically in this analysis. So like, just build the bike.
32:51
Like you see places that have bike lanes and you're like,
32:54
oh wow, why wouldn't bike there because it's safe. L
32:59
A is like fucking add max, Like you've got to
33:01
be like, oh, I hope you're built to ride a
33:04
bike in the in these streets because nobody's saving you.
33:08
It's just different levels of encouragement. I think we need them.
33:10
There used to be a thing at like when I
33:13
worked for a tech company where they would ask you
33:16
if you drove to work and they would actually be
33:18
able to enforce it because you wouldn't get a parking
33:20
spot if you said that you like rode a bike
33:23
to work, and then you would get like a tax
33:26
break I think or something. This was in l A.
33:29
But that's like rather than going through your employer. Why
33:33
not just make it so that people like can report
33:38
for riding a bike everywhere and like get get some
33:42
sort of credit that doesn't require all sorts of you know,
33:46
the the US just makes things super complicated and favoring
33:50
of employers over employees so that they don't lose the
33:55
power to the you know, so capital doesn't lose the
33:59
power to the people. Yeah, I'm just thinking like the
34:01
like even with New York, right, all the stuff that
34:05
is being proposed, like how can we reuse the street?
34:08
It's smarter, you know, because clearly COVID led to a
34:11
movement of like reclaiming these streets for it was like
34:14
public spaces or no car spaces and like using bikes
34:18
and things like that. To to wasteide opportunity to apply
34:21
that sort of thinking across the country, it's such a
34:23
missed opportunity. And for like people like to ride bikes
34:27
in l A, which is wild, Like there's there are
34:30
many opportunities to ride your bike with groups or whatever.
34:33
You can. Fucking there's like certain paths that you can take,
34:36
but it's not enough where it feels like a city
34:39
that's thinking about people who ride bicycles And I feel
34:42
like when you're in just to give people that encouragement
34:45
would be just such a natural way where something like oh, funky,
34:48
I would love to ride a protected bike path rather
34:51
than worrying if I'm gonna get sideswiped by a cost
34:53
goal delivery truck because nobody's looking that like just passively,
34:58
like just sit. You can't cost much money. It can't
35:01
cost that much money, and you're damn sure not spending
35:03
it to help unhouse people. So where the what the
35:05
funk are y'all doing? And like the and COVID's lockdowns,
35:09
like nature just sort of started to blossom in this
35:13
weird way because a lot of the pollution was cut
35:15
down and so it's like, like you said, it's this
35:16
missed opportunity to be like, okay, so this is like
35:19
the effect of us doing X, Y and Z. So
35:21
then we obviously can't keep going at that rate, but
35:24
how can we apply some of the you know, the
35:26
improvements as negative as everything's been, the environmental improvements of
35:30
us just like not fucking with everything constantly, right, So
35:34
it's like I hope that we I am dubious, but
35:37
I do hope it will take stuff from that that
35:40
it makes it disheartening. There's been some coverage of the
35:43
of that being like somewhat exaggerated, the like echo like
35:49
benefits and like the you know, dolphins have returned to
35:51
the canals of Venice. I think that was fake id
35:56
but but I think they're you know, overall, there's definitely
35:59
been a decrease in flights, decrease in you know, miles driven,
36:03
and I was I was just thinking, as as you
36:07
guys were talking about, like way things that we could
36:09
take from the pandemic. If we're allowed to just wear
36:12
sweats from now on, like everywhere, it doesn't matter, then
36:15
I can ride my bike to work and not worry
36:17
about the fact that like I sweat through three shirts.
36:20
We have to become a post drip society, Yes, thank you.
36:24
I feel like we have to move into a post
36:26
drip culture because the drip is you know, directly related
36:30
to capitalism, consumer capitalism, and I think if we can,
36:33
if we can move to a post drip economy, a
36:36
post drip society, a lot of ills will be remedied.
36:40
Because I think to outwardly be able to you know,
36:42
evoke your status with your clothes is like the is
36:45
the is the first game that ship plays on you
36:47
to beIN sort of rat racing towards nonsense and post
36:51
drip in the sense that I will be completely dripping
36:55
and sweat and people have to get over that. Yeah,
37:00
all right, let's talk about Matt Gates. Just check in
37:02
real quick with him. I think the women who worked
37:05
for him have put this whole story to bed by
37:10
using the always effective uh sexual predator evidence of well,
37:17
there are women who he hasn't assaulted and been a
37:20
creep to, so therefore it must mean that he's not
37:24
a creep because I mean, yeah, this, I I will
37:27
just read this because that's always like, if you're racist,
37:30
then you need someone to be like as a friend
37:33
to other non whites. Um, and I have a few
37:37
of them who will perform for me for my defense.
37:41
But in this case, this is the press that or
37:44
the statement that came out of his office today. The
37:47
women of US Congressman Matt Gates's official office released the
37:51
following statement after the shocking allegations last week in the press,
37:57
we the women of Congressman Gates's office feel morally obligated
38:03
to speak out. Also, just so you know, no names
38:06
are specifically signed up a statement just because it's written
38:09
by Matt Gates. Actually, I just read it like this
38:13
toxic fuck. During Congressman gates Is time in office, we
38:16
have been behind the scenes every step of the way.
38:19
We staffed his meetings, we have planned his events, we
38:22
travel with him, we have even tracked his schedule. Congressman
38:25
Gates has always been a principle and morally grounded leader.
38:29
At no time has any one of us experienced or
38:33
witnessed anything less than the utmost professionalism and respect. No
38:40
hint of impropriety, no ounce of truthfulness. Okay, maybe twenty
38:47
seven grams of it, but that's a graham short of announce. Now,
38:51
in our office and under Congressman Gates's leadership, women are
38:54
not only respected, but have been encouraged time and time
39:01
again to grow, achieve more, and ultimately no our value. Okay,
39:11
let me continue. On every occasion he has treated each
39:14
and every one of us with respect. Thus we uniformly
39:19
reject these allegations as false. That is such a fucking stretch.
39:23
And get a single one of them to sign their
39:26
name to this again, and the final one, just so
39:30
you know it's really written by a conservative male Congressman
39:33
Gates will continue to lead by example and stand for
39:36
the people of America who have been maligned by the
39:39
liberal elite, and we will stand with him. While we
39:42
recognize the scrutiny we will face for making this decision,
39:45
we take comfort in the hope that more Americans and
39:48
elected officials will stand up and refuse to remain silent
39:53
about what sex trafficking. Yeah about the pictures he was
39:57
showing people. Sorry, I had to sit back down after
40:00
standing to salute after that statement, though, I mean there
40:04
and then, and unfortunately the details are just getting worse
40:07
and more clear that he absolutely has everything to do
40:11
with this Joel Greenberg, guy who's under investigation. Uh. The
40:14
last thing that came out was like over the before
40:16
the weekend, were these VENMO receipts to that popped up
40:20
to Joel Greenberg, the guy who's trafficking these young women
40:23
and and girls in certain instances where Gates sent Greenberg
40:27
nine dollars and then the next day Greenberg is sending
40:29
out nine hundred dollars in different denominations to three different women.
40:33
So it says the membo field for the first of
40:35
Gates's transactions to Greenberg, was titled test. In the second,
40:39
the Florida GOP congressman wrote, hit up blank, but instead
40:42
of a blank, Gates wrote a nickname for one of
40:43
the recipients. Um. When Greenberg and this, the Daily Beast
40:47
said they're not sharing that nickname because the teenager had
40:49
only turned eighteen, eighteen years old, less than six months
40:52
before this transaction. When Greenberg then made his VENMO payments
40:56
to these three young women, he described the money as
40:58
being for one payment quote tuition, one quote school and
41:02
the other one quote school. Q and on are you there?
41:06
Can you help? Huh? Are you? Where is your energy? Que?
41:10
Where is that energy for the for the child the
41:12
child sex trafficking or is it is it just cover
41:15
for your your ignorance and white supremas. I don't know,
41:17
but if help um so now two to two of
41:20
his staffers have already resigned, probably more at this point,
41:23
and he's truly now going for the defense that we
41:29
saw a certain Alabama Secretary of State deploy last week
41:33
where he says this is from his office. Matt Gates
41:35
has never paid for sex. Matt Gates refutes all the
41:38
disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gates has never ever been on it,
41:42
he said, never ever, come on now, has never ever
41:45
been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gates cherishes the
41:48
relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the
41:52
love of his life. Says like never always. I'm like,
41:57
you're already lying never ever, ever, ever, ever ever. He
42:04
just got a did right due, I swear my mom, Dude,
42:08
I swear my mom. I sweared my mom. I had
42:10
never paid for sex, bro, Dude, make I'll swearing anything,
42:13
name something right now? My grandma. Do you know how
42:15
much I love her? Bro, I'll frown that ship. Okay,
42:20
Grandma and the crosstairs of the universe. Yeah, of letting
42:23
Karma a crush your poor grandma because you are a
42:26
fucking sex criminal allegedly. Um. And also it got even
42:31
worse because News then broke that Greenberg Joel Greenberg, he's
42:35
gonna make He's gonna I think he's gonna take a Yeah,
42:38
so he's going to be Kooper rating, meaning Gates may
42:43
now become the prize show horse he always wanted to be.
42:47
And I just want to play this clip because Joel
42:51
Greenberg's lawyer, dude, credit to this guy. I'm just gonna
42:55
play this exchange or right after they talk about like
42:57
the plea deal happening immediately the pre is like to
43:01
Joel Greenberg's lawyers like, hey, like, so what do you
43:03
think this means for Gates? And he's trying his best, y'all.
43:06
But this is a beautiful bit of back and forth
43:08
between Joel Greenberg's lawyer on the heels of announcing that
43:11
they're probably can take a plea deal. Do does Matt
43:15
Gates have anything to worry about? Does Matt Gates that
43:20
is such a um comes to what happened today? Does
43:25
he uh have anything to worry about? And you're asking
43:31
me to get into the mind of Matt Gates and uh, well,
43:37
from your mind, from my mind, my clients. See, I
43:45
thought if I kept on talking and talking, I would
43:48
avoid these questions and not to say, um, I'm sure
43:54
Matt Gates is not feeling very comfortable today. Oh damn
44:01
he this is. And it's while he also did the
44:04
dumb man thing where you you know you fucked up.
44:07
So you're just gonna laboriously repeat the question back what
44:11
did I do last night at the club? So you're
44:15
asking should you be worried? About what I did. Okay,
44:18
so you want me to enter the mind of you,
44:22
my partner. Okay, land this out here because I do
44:26
need let me let me just write this down real quick.
44:28
Let me okay, let me just write down. Um, so
44:30
you're the subject. But I do love. I have to
44:33
respect that he came clean. I was like, I thought
44:35
if I kept repeating what he was saying that I
44:39
would run out the clock. And it doesn't seem to
44:42
have worked. And so yeah, he's fucked. Yeah that was beautiful. Please,
44:50
you know, just resign and fucking whatever. I mean. It's
44:55
so weird too, like when these staffers leave now it's like, oh,
44:57
it wasn't the racist insurrection is ship or the other
45:00
stuff before. Just weird when people draw these lines. But
45:03
it also shows you the nature of working in politics
45:06
is like you're truly like hitching your wagon to a
45:09
star and when you realize it's about to explode, like
45:11
you got to try and take that momentum and like
45:13
hopefully it jettison's you into like another orbit. But I
45:16
don't know how the funk you're gonna leave have this
45:19
on your resume. You might be like, oh, I actually
45:21
didn't work from I was just smoking mad weed. The
45:28
best you can do. Uh, it's just like Matt Gates
45:33
is such an idiot. Yeah, it's really I would almost
45:40
say I feel bad for white men because like, damn,
45:43
like the world reflected some dumb ship back to y'all,
45:45
like you could, like you can get away with this
45:47
kind of ship, and it's made you the worst criminals
45:50
on earth. Its wild because it's like for so long
45:53
they get away with it. That wouldn't the fact that
45:57
what they do because they can get away with it,
45:59
it's like, oh, you're fucked up. Like it takes pleasure
46:02
in routing people. M hmm, Like there, it's crazy. I
46:08
mean I'm thinking about like Scott Ruden also just because
46:10
like yeah, yeah, like unnecessarily cruel, and it's it's purely
46:18
for your own personal gratification, you know what I mean.
46:21
It's not even about the other person. It's like you're
46:23
you're completely out of control and you're like, oh, that's
46:25
how I just respond to ship. And I do that
46:26
because I'm not willing to for a second create some
46:30
self awareness or figure out like if this is the
46:32
right thing. It's just me indulging my fucking worst impulses constantly. Yeah,
46:38
it's so important for them to make those worst impulses
46:42
a part of what like drove them to success. Yeah,
46:48
rather than it just being you got lucky and you
46:52
happen to be of a certain level of intelligence that
46:55
you were able to do this thing and you could
46:57
have been nice the whole fucking or Matt Gates, bro,
47:00
you had everything right. You're from from a so much wealth,
47:04
familial wealth. Like he grew up in the Truman Show House.
47:07
Do you know that? Yeah, literally the Truman show House,
47:11
literally the house that they made the Truman Show in
47:14
that they shot the Truman Show in. Oh no, so
47:17
he has main character syndrome. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
47:21
for sure. They've been just feeding him privileged like he's
47:26
like they're trying to make fog raw like just NonStop
47:31
advantages and he doesn't. That's that's just it's he's curdled. Yeah,
47:38
all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
47:40
right back. And we're back. Uh. And so the prosecution
47:56
in the Derek Chovian case has rested, and now time
48:00
for the defense to uh pull out all the stops,
48:04
explain why what we all saw was not what we
48:09
all saw and it's it's wild. I mean, like some
48:14
of these expert witnesses, it's just like I don't know,
48:19
like what is this? Is this a thing where you
48:22
will be able to continue to consider yourself like a
48:26
functional human being after after doing this? I mean, this
48:31
is the thing for people who are the defense lawyers
48:34
and experts, For people like Derek Chauvin, You're you're operating
48:39
in a different on a different wavelength because you're like, fuck,
48:42
all right, let me put the cape on for white
48:44
supremacy and try and obscure the facts as best as
48:47
I can, and trying, well, I can go to sleep
48:49
at night because I'm a goblin and I live on
48:52
the side of a church and I turned to stone
48:54
at night. So the whole thing is, like their witness
48:58
is so Guy Fowler is just an absolute fucking clown
49:03
with the theory like that. Essentially, this guy is almost
49:06
suggesting like, you know, maybe George Floyd was actually dead
49:09
before the police arrived, Like these are the kinds of
49:13
swings he's taking. And the whole thing isn't even like
49:16
a clear theory that he has. It's just to be like,
49:19
well it could have been. I don't know it could
49:20
have been that could have been, could have been a
49:23
white supremacy doesn't exist. I don't know, guys, what am
49:25
I doing up here? So he says, first a few
49:28
of the theories Floyd's oxygen intake was impeded by the
49:31
exhaust pipe of the nearby police car where he was
49:36
being knelt on. Then he also did concede during the
49:39
cross examination that he didn't know anything about the car,
49:42
what kind of exhaust came out, or even if it
49:44
was running at the time. So they were like, he's like,
49:49
all right, how's this? Let me all right, new angle,
49:51
new angle? How about this one? Perhaps a tumor found
49:54
in Floyd's lower abdomen could have contributed to a sudden
49:57
surge of adrenaline that led to quote sudden cardiac or hythmia.
50:01
What yeah, this is like arguing with the person who's
50:06
just trying to argue, like you don't know, it's a
50:08
lot a lot like arguing with the conspiracy theorist, or
50:11
like a flat earther is like, how do you know
50:12
you've been? You've been, You've been to space? Have you
50:15
flown up there and seen the curvature of Earth? Because
50:18
then well, that's that's their eployed, like they're just leaning
50:22
into how do you know out? Yeah, They're only thing
50:26
is like you have to prove down the shadow of
50:28
a doubt, and doing that the thing where they give
50:33
themselves intellectual cover for their racism, which is to be like, well,
50:37
it couldn't just been that this guy just killed this
50:40
black guy because it's racist. It could have been this,
50:43
it could have been that. Because for me to agree
50:45
with you that this officer, then I have to actually
50:48
acknowledge this form of racism on some level, which I'm
50:51
not willing to do, so I would rather retreat to
50:54
the safety of these intellectually disingenuous arguments of for example,
50:59
the position of Chauvin's knee during the arrest, saying it
51:02
wasn't necessarily restricting Floyd's breathing and if it was, there
51:05
would be evidence of bruising on his body. There was
51:08
bruising on the body. The prosecutors entered. They they showed
51:12
that evidence. So it's just like again, this is it's
51:16
just an exhausting exercise in trying to deal with this,
51:20
you know, expert, and this seems to be his specialty
51:24
obscuring black death because This is another this from the
51:26
Daily Beast quote. Though not part of the Chauvin case.
51:28
Fowler is currently being sued for his expert testimony in
51:31
another case in Maryland where police killed a black team
51:34
and arrest the parents. The teen's parents described as quote
51:36
chilling lee similar to George Floyd's, but a death that
51:39
Fowler similarly testified was quote accidental. So he's like the
51:44
special forces white supremacy, you know, like operative, let me help.
51:50
What is it looks like a clear cut case of
51:52
this murder. Here's a bunch of mush. And we have
51:57
such a longstanding relationship in systemic racism with with um
52:05
logic and science and the neutrality of using that as
52:09
a rationalizing and kind of eradicating any kind of like
52:15
humane perspective on it. It just reduces it down to like, Okay,
52:19
if we're just talking about if the law is about
52:21
like what are the specific facts and or and the
52:25
science behind is the specific facts, that's all they're going
52:28
to lean into, and that's all that that and that's
52:30
going to be their safety point. Because I think the
52:33
next step that we do in this fucking country is
52:36
like but that that is what justice is is based
52:39
on truth, on fact and truth, and so these impassioned,
52:46
you know, from our perspective, completely logical arguments of like
52:51
you have documentation of someone being murdered, you have someone
52:54
being crushed and slowly choked, Like, yeah, that's what we see.
52:59
Amiensa yeah, while screaming about it, they'll be like, no,
53:02
but we need to get in to really get under
53:04
the hood here, because otherwise, if this poor man is
53:07
wrongly accused, our entire system, you know, would be upended.
53:13
And it's and it's always people have been wrongly accused.
53:17
It's constantly this thing of like the system needs to
53:19
be protected, the system needs to be sort of like
53:22
the fragility of the system is being tested and we
53:25
have to kind of uphold it. That that that's my
53:28
imagining of what this Well it's the last line because well,
53:32
because yeah, the system itself is inherently racist. So to
53:35
acknowledge it would it would i would have to crumble
53:39
more in the sense that justice would have to be
53:41
applied in this context where normally wouldn't be able to
53:44
retreat under the cover of law or legal lease sort
53:48
of explain away what actually happened. I mean, if you
53:51
remember my great poem I just did like these alabaster temples. Um, yeah,
53:58
we just don't want to. They're like, oh my god,
54:00
can you imagine the paperwork involved if we admit we're
54:03
we're a racist country. No, we can't deal with too much. Man.
54:08
If it's really bad, then yeah. If they don't know
54:10
how to stick to the script and keep it low,
54:13
then yeah, sure we'll do that to create some semblance
54:16
of justice. But that's not what this whole thing is.
54:19
And the other thing that was going on during this
54:21
whole portion again, even the journalists and people who were
54:23
observing the trout, they weren't even clear if any of
54:26
this testimony from these experts was actually helping Chouvin at all.
54:29
They were more like, that is harming him because this
54:32
stuff is so nonsensical. One of the last things Fowler
54:36
said was he saw no evidence that Floyd was oxygen
54:40
deprived because he didn't complain during the arrest of experiencing
54:45
problems with his vision, which would be indicative that you
54:50
are you're you're being deprived of oxygen. You would be
54:52
seeing these spots, the little spots of light and things
54:55
like And because George Floyd only said I can't breathe.
54:59
How do we know this? He literally made this argument.
55:03
And when someone's trying to murder you, you also have
55:05
to treat them as your doctor. You've my throat, my
55:09
carodd artery has been severed, and there from the blood
55:12
loss like what you feel like a Virginia Wolf style
55:17
like stream of consciousness of literally everything you're experiencing. Uh,
55:24
these are the hoops all to avoid. Actually, you know,
55:27
giving justice to somebody who's been murdered is just to
55:30
do all these fucking ridiculous hoops when before it's easy
55:33
enough for a black person to get killed because he
55:34
looked at somebody. Really, and again, the defense is laughable
55:39
because white supremacy is laughable, you know what I mean.
55:42
It doesn't hold up to any scrutiny, the idea that
55:45
because you are white, you are owed things. So when
55:48
someone has to go up and try and essentially give
55:50
some kind of quote medical counterpoint to what is just
55:54
a clear hate crime that results in the death, yeah,
55:57
you look, it looks like absolute nonsense. So I hope
56:00
the jury is equally as disturbed as most people hearing
56:03
this would be. But well, there and there is one
56:05
jury member who um apparently is a Blue Lives Matter supporter,
56:11
and I think it's a female, and I think she
56:14
had another she had voiced at some point some issues
56:18
she had with Black Lives Matters, So I don't know
56:20
how the funk she got on there, but when she's
56:23
in the mix. Interestingly enough, because when they were looking for,
56:27
you know, trying to select the jury pool, they had
56:29
to fill out surveys like did you hold a sign
56:30
during the summer? Would it say? I wonder if she's like, yeah,
56:34
I did, said Blue Lives Matter. I think I'd like
56:37
to have for a little spice. That's all it takes you, unfortunately,
56:43
and that's why this it's that's why this ship is
56:45
so frustrating, because Black people are having to look time
56:49
and again into the eye of this demonic system in
56:53
this country to say, what, we don't give a fuck.
56:58
Can you tell us why you're protesting though today you like?
57:03
And that's just more insidious because they should just be
57:05
saying we don't give a fuck. I'm here because I
57:09
have to, we need to appear a certain way, but
57:11
really we don't give a fuck. And if you want,
57:13
if you want the proof, look at the outcomes. There's
57:16
no justice for you because we don't give a fuck.
57:19
Well that's that that that recurrent thing where they're like,
57:22
I just don't understand why people damage property and and
57:27
and lose control. It's just like for us to not
57:30
have for us, I don't know, it's for people to
57:34
not have the like, Yeah, if you were pushed to
57:36
this point, what the funk would you do? Like, how
57:38
would you react? We see how you, like a lot
57:41
of you people react having a black kid walk through
57:43
your neighborhood in South Carolina. You know, you lose all
57:46
control and and you know, jettison them short of you know,
57:52
murdering them. But it's like but there's no there's no
57:55
identification with you're with the other and that you know.
58:02
It is just like it's so insane and it's and
58:05
it's so insane because it is insane. It is a
58:09
it is a dysfunctional way that we collectively are dealing
58:13
with trauma, ongoing trauma that we that we bring to
58:18
one another over and over again, you know what I mean. Yeah,
58:22
it's cool, but all in all, pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. Uh,
58:27
let's talk about this House bill, which you know progress
58:32
that it's getting raised as a as a possibility at
58:37
least we're making the Republicans go on the record and
58:41
squash it. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, yeah, just the thing.
58:46
You know, again, as we're talking all the ills in
58:48
this country, especially regards to racism, we can draw a
58:51
straight line to slavery and the fact that we have
58:54
had no reckoning with it, absolutely none. Just you know,
58:59
here's a month, yes about that, okay, and then other
59:03
than that is just crickets. So you know, for decades,
59:06
black lawmakers have been trying to advance legislation that would
59:08
at the very least begin to formally analyze what needs
59:13
to be done, how we can right these wrongs. And
59:16
some legislation did just move out of committee um to
59:19
do just that, allowing for the formation of a commission
59:22
to look at the impacts of slavery discrimination from fucking
59:26
sixteen nineteen and now, um and there figure out ways
59:30
what we need to alter in our educational system, what
59:34
are the solutions to to right all of the racist
59:37
wrongs in the country, and what kind of compensation should
59:40
be offered on top of that, considering the just the
59:43
by design poverty that black people experience. Um. So yeah,
59:49
a really great moment when we see those things, But
59:51
you always realize, yeah, I got out of committee, where
59:53
then it has to be voted on by these other
59:55
fucking people in this country. And you already have Jim
59:59
Jordan's saying, spend twenty million for a commission. There's already
1:00:02
that's already decided to take money from people who were
1:00:05
never involved in the evil of slavery and give it
1:00:08
to people who are never subject to the evil of slavery.
1:00:11
That's what Democrats on the Judiciary Community Committee you're doing.
1:00:15
So that's that's about it, you know. I mean, it'll
1:00:18
get out of the House, but then the Senate like
1:00:21
what what again? Another moments to where I think even
1:00:26
for people who are you know, looking at politics enough
1:00:29
you go, yeah, well that's a rap, or even black
1:00:31
people looking at like, okay, preparations, like that's that's the
1:00:36
cynicism that we live with because I'm yeah, and it's
1:00:39
just I think a lot of people are underrating just
1:00:42
how exhausting this is really becoming now, like on top
1:00:45
of everything else. That's truly it's like I don't know
1:00:49
how long we can just keep asking nicely, you know,
1:00:52
and then be have just your face spit in and
1:00:56
um and still try and maintain your dignity or humanity
1:01:00
throughout that and so, uh ship, I don't know what
1:01:04
to do. I mean, like this is until we can
1:01:06
we can solve issues like this of having these Jim
1:01:09
Jordan's and this minority rule in the country. It's like,
1:01:11
how come there's no one's going to get anything there?
1:01:14
I wonder if there, I mean, I wonder how much effect.
1:01:19
You know, there's not immediate effect definitely, Like with this
1:01:22
kind of thing, is like we're going to have a
1:01:24
commission to vote on the possibility of mentioning that it
1:01:27
could be yes, maybe, but if anything, you know, sort
1:01:33
of like a glacial pace. This in combination with the
1:01:39
choven trial and Minneapolis and just this past year with
1:01:44
BLM and even you know recently with sort of like
1:01:50
standing up for Asian you know, rights and abuses and stuff.
1:01:57
This is like the naive kind of like maybe why
1:02:00
liberal hope part of me or something. But it's a
1:02:03
little bit like Okay, yeah, I mean I guess if
1:02:06
if anything, we just kind of like keep your keep
1:02:09
doing it because if if if it does get to
1:02:11
a point you're like, oh well we try, we'll just
1:02:13
like put it on the back burner for another twenty years.
1:02:16
The next time it's going to be real bad. But
1:02:19
it's it's exhausting. It is like you said, how much,
1:02:23
how much? How much compromising of your dignity, of anyone's dignity,
1:02:29
and of just being traumatized over and over and over again.
1:02:32
How much can can really stand? It's yeah, I don't.
1:02:36
I don't know, and I think you know. Unfortunately, glacial
1:02:39
pace is like the theme this thing, and because of that,
1:02:43
generations of people come and go without seeing anything change.
1:02:48
So I don't know that that's the thing. You know,
1:02:50
the people of color are technically a minority in this country,
1:02:53
so until the tipping point really has to come from
1:02:57
other people in this country. Because every we all what
1:03:00
the fucking steaks are. People in proximity to us who
1:03:02
are allies know what the fucking steaks are. But it's
1:03:05
this whole other section of the country that has no
1:03:10
interest in looking at this in any other way except
1:03:13
their own denial to maintain comfort, yeah, and to just
1:03:18
avoid thinking that anything could be wrong in this country
1:03:22
as well, and to just excuse their own ignorance. And
1:03:24
it's not just the Republicans either, I mean by the
1:03:27
I'm still can't get past Biden in the aftermath of,
1:03:33
you know, the first night of demonstrations in Minneapolis, saying
1:03:37
that like we're waiting to see on like the initial
1:03:42
murder of an unarmed, very young man, but there's no excuse.
1:03:48
The one thing that I can like say is automatically
1:03:52
wrong is looting. It's just so frustrating. He has to
1:03:58
still wait wag of inger at black people. That's what
1:04:02
it is that he can't or else he's a race
1:04:04
trader and subconsciously he's not willing to be a race
1:04:08
trader and say that is absolutely wrong. This person needs
1:04:12
to go to jail immediately, that what we saw was
1:04:14
an absolute hate crime. If you if you saw they
1:04:17
be like, oh, he sounds like a black person, because
1:04:19
I don't hear white people talking like then if they do,
1:04:21
they're like very radical activist people, but not people in
1:04:24
real positions of power, because you you stand to be
1:04:28
you know, you're perceived race trader or whatever the funk
1:04:30
it is. But he you have to still have that
1:04:32
position of like, yeah, that was bad, but also that
1:04:36
that that the that that the remember who's in charge again?
1:04:40
And I'm gonna let you know by saying that member
1:04:42
capitalism is about protecting capital and property, not about people,
1:04:47
so don't don't break any windows. Well, the crazy thing
1:04:52
is like he's sort of future trading any any positioning
1:04:58
he might have for other you know what I mean.
1:05:00
It is it's a little bit of a bargaining chip,
1:05:02
like well I could I could say this, but then
1:05:04
I would lose this move I could make later for
1:05:07
this other thing. Just the political aspect of sort of like, yeah,
1:05:12
I think the political triangulationship is just old now because
1:05:16
like the the the people that lose out are the
1:05:21
ones that are actually at most risk while you wait
1:05:24
to find out what the most efficient position is rather
1:05:27
than going full stop on the side of humanity. I
1:05:31
just also don't I don't I wish the Democrats would
1:05:33
kind of learn, like, Okay, clearly the Republicans have established
1:05:37
that there's a precedent maybe based on our sort of
1:05:39
social media internet world we live in. And I was
1:05:42
like the half life of scandal and what you've said,
1:05:47
there will be something else to replace it, you know
1:05:49
what I mean. He could have called this, called this out,
1:05:52
and so may be like, oh my god, he's you know,
1:05:54
he's not he's not one of us anymore. That's gonna
1:05:57
get swallowed up and would be and would be elevated
1:06:01
if it started the conversation like it just if it
1:06:05
jumps started. You need one very white celebrity to do
1:06:09
something like that and sparked the outrage, like what's the problem.
1:06:13
What did I say? That's wrong? And I'm going to
1:06:15
be the one to say, what's the fucking problem with
1:06:17
you Democrats? Triangulation like kind of reminds me. It seems
1:06:22
like it's of a piece with the what we're talking
1:06:24
about on the journalism side of this, like both sides
1:06:27
and it and like triangulation. Okay, so the Republican side
1:06:31
is this, but the other side, the people who are
1:06:33
being murdered on video while screaming I can't breathe are
1:06:38
saying this. So we have to like in our favor
1:06:42
every time, right, So we have to talk about both sides.
1:06:46
And it's just like you know that the documentary like
1:06:50
the villain of that is like the Clinton administration, like
1:06:55
the fucking and it's all, well, I am a Democrat
1:07:00
by name, and so therefore I have to do these
1:07:02
Republican things to like confuse people into like both sides
1:07:06
into supporting me, and it's just like that should is
1:07:10
so far past. I mean it should have never existed.
1:07:13
But what has never had anything like I haven't because
1:07:18
she was so sort of front and center on so
1:07:21
many I feel like anytime it was a statement from
1:07:24
the president, it was also a statement from her. But
1:07:27
I haven't heard anything, you know, reaction otherwise from her. Yeah,
1:07:31
I mean at that point, I've been emailing her and stuff.
1:07:34
It's not rental. I mean I think the thing was
1:07:36
just sort of very milk toast, kind of like, you know,
1:07:40
this is gonna happen. I think what this says, quote
1:07:42
folks will keep dying if the country does not address
1:07:45
racial injustice. Okay, Vice President Harris, you got any fucking ideas,
1:07:55
Like what the fuck talked to old man Joe? But again,
1:07:58
this is why I like, it's that why it's so
1:08:00
disheartening too, because no matter who's in the office, there's
1:08:04
just these everyone is still cut from the same cloth
1:08:08
of only rocking the boat to certain degrees. No one's
1:08:12
no one's going to flip the table, and the table
1:08:14
flippers get fucking marginalized real quick. That's just how the system,
1:08:19
you know, that's how it protects itself. It's like, oh,
1:08:21
this person is a big table flipping energy to the
1:08:24
sides you go, you know that or there Now I
1:08:27
feel like they kind of position it's like, oh, that's
1:08:28
that's just their brand. That's the bullshit that they're like
1:08:31
putting out there, that they're actually this person Like there,
1:08:34
there's there's a real point. I mean, it's always existed politics,
1:08:37
but field now like there is a very poisonous sort
1:08:41
of acknowledgement of like everybody's got their kind of brand,
1:08:45
everybody's got there sort of like persona you know the
1:08:48
fact that they come at AOC. It's just like she's
1:08:51
just coming. She's just like leaning hard into this like
1:08:54
twentysomething kind of liberal, you know, trying to grab her
1:08:57
base in that way. And so it doesn't even huh
1:09:01
do you think that I do? I mean, is being
1:09:04
performative with the progressivism? I don't. But I've heard people say,
1:09:08
you know that that there's an aware there's that thing
1:09:11
of like that you have to have an awareness of
1:09:13
who you're speaking to, but you also have I think
1:09:16
there's the cynical version is that that there's always a
1:09:19
performative thing like who who knows how genuine they are,
1:09:23
And once we start to call that out in each other,
1:09:26
then you just then you cannot It's hard to sort
1:09:29
of invest any kind of hope and faith in collective efforts,
1:09:33
you know what I mean. If we're mainly with our
1:09:35
our leaders and stuff, well, I think that's why we
1:09:37
have to ditch the notion that these people are going
1:09:40
to do anything yeah yeah, or not put yeah, not
1:09:44
put put the full onness of like out they're here
1:09:46
to save us. Yeah. And I just even look at
1:09:48
like the natural disasters that have occurred, I hear more
1:09:51
stories anecdotally about people in the community just helping each
1:09:55
other than the fucking then FEMA coming through with something complately,
1:09:58
you know what I mean, Like especially like in exists
1:10:00
when things were completely fucked up, like people were like,
1:10:04
fucking we're gonna we're gonna help each other out. Yes,
1:10:06
there is government assistance, but there's on some level. Yeah,
1:10:10
I think we we realized police aren't going to protect us,
1:10:13
and these politicians all they do is just fucking just
1:10:16
do with their fucking stand up sets and on the hill,
1:10:19
and we're like great, cool. Think you are describing libertarianism
1:10:24
at work, Miles, they're they're bigger in the stand up stuff.
1:10:30
Every every man for himself. Neighbors will take care of neighbors.
1:10:35
It's all good certain neighbors. But I take care of
1:10:42
I think you know what I mean. I mean, shut
1:10:44
the blinds and act like we're not home, right right,
1:10:48
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