There’s more news and less comprehension today than any historical period that didn’t involve literal witch trials, and trying to stay on top of it all can feel like playing a game of telephone with 30 people, except everyone’s speaking at the same time and like a third of them are openly racist for some reason. From Cracked co-founder Jack O’Brien, THE DAILY ZEITGEIST is stepping into that fray with some of the funniest and smartest comedic and journalistic minds around. Jack and co-host Miles Gray spend up to an hour every weekday sorting through the events and stories driving the headlines, to help you find the signal in the noise, with a few laughs thrown in for free.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-the-daily-zeitgeist-28516718/
episode 4: Hygiene Theater, The Next Pandemic? 4.8.21
In episode 853, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Steven Wilber to discuss hygiene theater, Canada's vaccine roll out, Matt Gaetz asking Trump for a pardon, the ketchup shortage, tips for getting vaccinated, how movies are doing in theaters versus on streaming, and more!
FOOTNOTES:
- End the hygiene theater, CDC says
- Canada surpasses 1 million confirmed COVID-19 cases since start of pandemic
- Canada’s Vaccine Mess
- Canada has reserved more vaccine...
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Speaker 1
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, seventy nine,
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Episode four of Daily, the production of My Heart Radio.
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This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
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into America's shared consciousness. It is Thursday, It is April eight.
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It is one. My name is Jack O'Brien a K.
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The Jaws Father a K. Miles rips U Bunk, Jack
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Pounds a due somewhere along day, read the news and
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they'll podcast for you all night. Now you know how
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did daily' sight. That is courtesy of and I'm thrilled
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to be joined as always buy my co host, Mr
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Miles Gray Miles Gray a k a Emil Smith rolling
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up a fatty And for those of y'all that know
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who I'm talking about, you know and shout out to you.
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For those who don't, don't worry about it. But he
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may just be Arsenal's greatest talent, homegrown talent. Maybe he'll
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get the number ten shirt, maybe mar note Guard does.
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We don't know yet, but what we like, what we
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see and shout out to be our x x x
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c K on the discord for that one. You're all
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on our edge of on the edge of our seats.
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He gets that number, the number ten shirt will he
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get it? Is that that's a whether he were okay
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the number ten shirt. It's not like whether he gets
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to wear number ten. Well it is, and it's like
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it means a couple of things. It'll usually mean like
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your most technically gifted player, like that your star player
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will wear the ten because hell A made no Number
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ten famous and then Monadonna were number ten, and so
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ten is like the number for like your for that dude,
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MESSI wears ten now, so because of that, I think,
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but also just like normally the position your number core
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coincided with your position. So one was the keeper, two
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was the right back, three was the left back, and
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ten was sort of your playing maker. Anyway, that's all that.
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Fans of American sports, I think will be interested to
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learn that, because there's like a informal sort of twenty
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three being a big number and then in the NBA
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thirty three for a center, and then football like it
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vaguely corresponds, but then you have some gray area in there.
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Aren't there like some receivers that will wear ten in
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the NFL. Yeah, like where it's like numbers in the tens,
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it's less p eight all the way down to I
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feel like eight. If you're blowing those lines up, you
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know what I mean? You? Uh well, Miles, we are
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uh fortunate, thrilled to be joined in our third seat
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by one of the funniest dudes out there doing it.
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He is the hilarious, the talented Stephen Wilburn. It'll be
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a k A the ginger Ale kid a k A
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Scott Mada. Minute ago, I'm the Steve. Now, let's talk
03:08
about some anime jents. Anime. That's what's good you guys.
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Catch that JoJo's Jojo Part six announcement. Boy, I'm ready
03:23
to dive into that stone ocean with bated breath, with
03:26
bated dress. Stephen, last time we saw you we were
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in person. No, he's been on since. Oh you pandemic?
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All right, well that's right, yes, very forgettable. Your last appearance.
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Uh time before that we saw you. I was talking
03:42
about how I how I beefed it real hard. Don't
03:47
remember that at all. There there was a guest recently
03:53
who had been on before, and I fully went into
03:57
it assuming they had not been And really, yeah, my
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brain just doesn't work anymore. No, no offense to literally
04:04
anyone my brain just doesn't work. Apologies, Lake Wexler. Yes, guy,
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that joker, that pack of cards. Oh, man, tell me
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about it, Stephen. Where where are you coming to us from?
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I'm coming to you live from scenic Louisville, Kentucky, all right,
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the home of the car Yeah, home of the cards,
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home of the Home of the Kroger, the Kentucky Derby,
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Home of the Slugger. Yeah. Ups is chili coney cultured
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in northern Kentucky too, like it is? Like, yes, are
04:45
people huge on that? And you know like gold Star
04:49
Skyline chili. Oh there is one that's the chili on
04:52
the spaghetti, right, yeah? Or you have on a hot dog,
04:55
you know, depending on you on two way three way?
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Whoa what do I look like? Sonic the Hedgehog? I
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think it's big. Yeah, I don't know if I haven't
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had it. That's my favorite reasonable food over there to
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make carbs for me. Sorry, but Louisville is a pretty
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cool city, right, It's it's pretty. It's pretty, give it that, Yeah,
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it's pretty. What's what's like the what's the scenic aspects
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of Louisville? A lot of cemeteries, yeah, yes, like haunted
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a lot of greenery park, Yeah, right right with foliage. Yes,
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it's it's just now like all coming in Winner, Winner
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was kind of poop poo like it. It looked a
05:41
little stinky around here. Language watch your fucking mouth over
05:47
my heart radio knocking your door down right now, that's okay.
05:53
We've got the poopoo filter where we can press the
05:55
button anytime we can sense of poopoo coming on and
05:58
then actually what it does is it for is a
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conversation into nothing but Scott talk as well. The unfortunate
06:04
side effect of the poop filter, that is something that
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has been afflicting our podcast of of late Stephen, is
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that we just get into a subject related to poo
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poo and cannot get off. But we'll we'll try to
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avoid that here. I am the scat man. Yeah, as
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we heard, you know, and whether it's scouting via you know,
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oral verbal scouting and the jazz standards and the traditions
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set forth by the great Kim Cattrall or yourself or
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scat man carruthers, um, you know, get you a man
06:36
who can do both. Yes, thank you, all right, Steve,
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when we're gonna get to know you a little bit
06:41
better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners
06:44
a couple of things we're talking about today, such as
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we'll talk about something called hygiene theater. We'll talk about
06:51
how we should be preparing for the next pandemic. Why
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Canada's vaccine rollout sucks so bad? This is just Layton
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uh pandering to the American audience who have had nothing
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to gloat about for yeah, even still, but I mean,
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come on, we we gotta get it where we can.
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We'll talk about Matt Gates's requests towards the end of
07:18
the Trump administration for blanket pardons and you know, the
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new context in which we can view those catch up shortages.
07:27
We'll talk about how to take care of yourself after
07:30
you've been vaccinated. We might even talk about some some
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Hollywood goss all that plenty more. But first, Stephen, you know,
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we like to ask our guest, what is something from
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your search history that's revealing about who you are? Uh?
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Feces right? What is it? Facus? I don't know I
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saw this word f e c s. Lately, I've just
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been trying to find a vintage March Simpson T shirt
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that isn't a hundred dollars. Wow mm hmmm, because the
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Barts I'm assuming are the market is flooded with Barts,
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but not a lot of Margins. I love a good
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you want to get the bootleg barts, those are great,
08:15
like forty nine Bart and stuff or Jamaican Bart, Like, yeah,
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those are gold, But I just I want to Marge
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like Marge. Yeah, you can't even find like a bootleg
08:27
one because what you're talking about, You're just do you
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follow that bootleg Simpson's account on I G. That's all
08:32
like bootleg Simpsons merch. Yeah, they're just post It's so funny,
08:35
like they're the ones like from Freak Nick nine three.
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I'm like, I love seeing black Bart Simpson. But yeah, Margin,
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you can't find like even a you know, want you
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want a bootleg Bart, but I want a real Marge.
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You know. Wow? Wow? Interesting? Did you did y'all see
08:54
that one TikTok video? Daniel shared it with me of
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that one comedian or she just has a TikTok account,
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but she does like Marge Simpsons voice so well. The
09:04
title of it is if Marge Simpson was in the
09:06
Godfather instead of Marlon Brando. Have you seen that clip? Oh?
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My god. Well, I'm gonna play it for you all
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because it's so fucking funny, is it, Julie Cather? No,
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it's at slow puke on TikTok and just just watch
09:20
this clip really click the massacred my boy. Yeah, oh
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my god, that's exceeded expectations. I never thought something as simple,
09:37
but yeah, well we need that. Give me that bootleg
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shirt as Don Corleone marche Corleoni. Oh my god. That
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is uh it's the my boy, that that bridges the
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two worlds. You know, I love to see it. The
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Simpsons did one of those sopranos, uh my okay, like
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yeah right, I'm sure they didn't do an opening the
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woke up this morning with March driving around from the
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grocery store. But no, I'm not, like, remember there was
10:17
that really influential sopranos, Like I think it was like
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a billboard or like a magazin black and white photo.
10:24
Oh yeah yeah yeah hit one family on one side
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and the other family on the other. And then I
10:31
think any TV show had to had to do a
10:35
take on that. How many are you a Do you
10:38
have a Simpsons te for like every day of the week?
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Are you is that kind of That's what I'm trying
10:43
to right now. I'm at a I'm at a solid zero.
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Oh wait, no, I just got this one. Uh great,
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great audio. Is that Kira Millhouse shirt? Yeah, Kira, it's
11:01
like and Millhouse is just being like shot to pieces
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on the Yeah. Yeah, um, I'm glad we can get it.
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Some anime talking, what is something you think is overrated?
11:17
Dog clothes? But not because it's just clothes for dogs,
11:23
but the that they put the front of the clothes
11:27
on the back of the dog. M hmm, I think
11:31
is unacceptable and should not be allowed in fashion. So
11:37
you're saying, like if it were like a tuxedo, the
11:41
lapels and stuff on the back so you can put
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so it's visibly like a tuxedo. You're like, dogs, this
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is for the This was mcdaddy or daddy mac? Which
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which which one are you served? I want my dog
11:56
to look like Christopher Cross, not Criss Cross. Okay, it's
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when it took seedo. Yeah, what the fund is that?
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Why do they do that? Yeah? I mean, I mean
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I understand why they do it, but well it's made
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it's for you then, right, Yeah, it's not for the dog.
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When the dog walks into the club. Yeah mm hmm, yeah,
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what the funk? What then we need? I mean, until
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we can train our dogs to be bipedes, you know.
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Unfortunately that's just where fashion is going to be for them.
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Which maybe we'll motivate them to pick up bipedal motion
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um as a species because the purps are better fashion options. Okay,
12:37
I think that's that's an opening shot case right there.
12:39
My old dog, Miles could walk on two feet for
12:42
a pretty pretty long period of time and it was
12:46
really yeah, kind of freak people out. Like you would
12:50
be like, all right, Miles, let's go, and he's just like, well,
12:53
you had to. You had to kind of had something
12:55
about this, right. It wasn't like a two or nine ship.
12:59
It was like that, oh bide engaged. Yeah, Oh, I
13:05
saw there was a video of like I think it was.
13:06
I saw reddit like a cat or a dog that
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was raised in like with a bunch of mirror cats
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or some ship. So it learned to just stand on
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his hind legs because in its younger in its younger days,
13:18
it used to stand on his legs, but around these
13:20
other mirror cats and it was just very casually had
13:23
this upright vibe that was kind of startling to to
13:26
look at it. Sounds like no mirror cat. It was
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a dog. Like I said, now you've done it, Steven,
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Uh the can we go off Mike really quick just
13:45
to talk about this guy? Ok? Is this guy's no man? Yeah?
13:50
What off Mike and read me to filth there. There's
13:54
also a video of a dog that is missing its
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front two legs and walks around on his back legs.
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And I'm sure everyone's seen that, but it is uncanny
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and troubling to say the least. What is something you
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think is underrated? Stephen. I don't know if you remember
14:12
when this happened, because I don't. I think it probably
14:15
within the past ten years. But somebody thought to put
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a little reservoir in the laundry detergent bottle, like at
14:25
the at the top where the nozzle is, there's now
14:27
like a little like hole where there. Yeah, the excess
14:33
can drip back into the bottle. And it's just like,
14:37
give that person a MacArthur whoever whoever thought of that
14:41
genius grant. So it's like a little moat around the
14:45
Is that what you're talking about? Well, they normally and
14:47
there there. There used to be just straight mote. So
14:50
after you pour the detergent in the washing machine, you
14:53
put the cat back on the like a lot of
14:55
it just stays in that reservoir. But then somebody arrested
14:59
to put off put a hole there, so it all
15:01
drips down and it's like MoMA mina. Yeah, we're not
15:06
wasting because yeah, I remember back in the day, like
15:09
my childhood idea of a laundry detergent bottle was it
15:11
just cascading down the sides of the bottle, And then
15:15
we got the moat, which only half solved it. And
15:18
now we're fully into the restorative return funnel of the
15:22
top of a laundry detergent bottle unless you're using pods
15:25
or some ship. Yeah, hopefully we can put a man
15:29
on the moontain next yeah, hopefully maybe the next up,
15:33
maybe medicare for all. That's the whole if we can
15:35
solve that problem, maybe we can may or maybe not.
15:38
I don't know. We'll see, maybe tide will lead the
15:40
way on that. You guys, pod people, you pods, stupid
15:45
potting is my whole life, bro. Oh you mean detergent pods? Yeah, yeah,
15:50
oh yeah, that's popular party drug. Yeah, I mean I
15:55
have it all depends. It's like if I'm at a store,
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I've i've, i've, I've used, I've bought both in the
16:02
last year. The one I like is the one that
16:05
has oxy in it, because I like to use oxy clean.
16:07
You know, keep in mind my socks a little bit brighter. Um.
16:11
But you know whatever, I don't really have a preference
16:14
for me laundry. M hm. I go with liquid dishes. Wow, wow, interesting, Okay,
16:23
we have a reason to it. We have a dishwasher
16:27
that specifically requests, like must have signed some sort of
16:31
endorsement deal way up the line, specifically requests a platinum
16:38
Cascade pod. Please, Mr O'Brien, what is this? Stop mistreating
16:47
me and it it's like not equipped to use it.
16:51
It like the pod doesn't fully dissolve when you wash it.
16:54
It's a really it's it's a corner. It's like I
16:58
must use this and then and you're like, fine, asshole here,
17:02
and then you just have like a bunch of dehydrated
17:06
plastic after you run dishes. It's like the kid who
17:09
bakes his mom for the large fry, Like, you know,
17:12
I can finish it. You had three and you have
17:16
a belly ache. Alright, asshole, that's why. That's why you
17:18
don't get the thicker holder. It's only the ones that
17:21
come into paper holder, the little itty bitty fried right.
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M all right, well, uh, funck my dishwasher. I guess
17:29
have you tried. Yeah, that did actually, actually that no,
17:35
I think nullified your warranty, right, which is right. That's
17:38
where my wife said, Uh, and you know you just
17:42
assumed it would morph into the maytag guy the machine.
17:48
I don't know, a repair person may come out in
17:49
a few minutes. All right, let's take a quick break.
17:55
We will be right back. And we're back, and the
18:10
CDC is getting a little caddy. I think the CDC
18:13
is getting a little uh you know, cocky, maybe feeling
18:17
so they're saying enough with the hygiene theater, assholes. Not
18:23
not in those words exactly, but they're they're basically making
18:27
the point that we have now equipped all public spaces
18:31
with hand sanitizer. Leave it like it's a sacred space,
18:37
and the hand sanitizers candles. It's just hand sanitizer lined
18:41
up everywhere you go. And they're like, but we know now,
18:46
like we figured out months into the entire pandemic that
18:50
foe mites the like. You know, versions of the germs
18:54
that are on objects are not the way that things
18:56
are getting spread. You guys know this. So they is
19:00
all about again with the dog having the front of
19:03
it shirt on its back, this is all about how
19:05
it makes you feel, not It's not for the the
19:10
virus uh and the actual safety of the people around you.
19:14
It's just about making you feel safe. I wonder if
19:17
there's a correlation between seeing someone in a hazmat suit
19:21
like pressure spray a seat down before you sit in
19:24
it that makes you feel like you don't need to
19:25
wear a mask, you know what I mean, Like what
19:27
the relationship is of hygiene theater versus relative like recklessness
19:32
because of hygiene theater. But also I think, and it's
19:37
like kind of an interesting thing too because it's a
19:39
lot of it was good advice in the beginning, and
19:41
then I think maybe whatever businesses took it to a
19:44
certain point to have customers feel good. Yeah, I mean
19:48
I know personally, if I saw a guy in a
19:51
hazmat suit pressure wash a bench and was like, all good,
19:56
you can sit down now, Yeah, I wouldn't be like
20:00
no thanks, I'd be like, thank you, sir, thank you,
20:03
thank you very much for your service, because I would
20:05
feel bad that he had to come to writing. Yeah,
20:10
it seems like we don't even have to do that
20:12
because what's like the transmission rate was something really low,
20:16
like one in ten thousand. Possibly they think from surfaces
20:21
like as they looked into you know, super spread or
20:24
events and like the dynamics and who caught it from who,
20:28
It just seems like it's almost exclusively airborne, right, And
20:33
this this jerk, Jose Louise Jimenez, who is apparently an
20:39
atmospheric chemist, whatever the funk that is. I was saying
20:43
that if we took half the effort that's being given
20:45
to disinfection and we put it on ventilation, that would
20:50
be a huge shift. People would be getting less sick.
20:56
But you can't see clean, see clean, to see people
21:00
cleaning their hands, yes, but I can't see. That's why
21:03
the happening didn't go well, that's why that movie was
21:08
a flop. Or you have like human powered ventilation systems
21:12
for people to connect the dots like, oh yeah, those
21:14
people are on those bikes to help ventilate, and that's
21:17
the new equivalent. Because I can see that, I can
21:19
see the work being done. Now I feel better. But yeah,
21:23
we just get to just clean the fucking air. Yeah,
21:26
or get really loud ventilation systems that have like a
21:29
voice that's like ventilation on engaging. Yeah, I don't know.
21:34
All right, Miles, you've been putting in some thought, uh
21:37
into and by that I mean you read a New
21:39
York Magazine article. Yeah, this is a podcast. So what
21:43
I do is I will read a thing, process it,
21:45
and then be like, you know what I read recently.
21:50
Do not appreciate that impression of me, but go ahead.
21:53
That was that was It was like, yeah, it was
21:55
like Andy Rooney mixed with Tucker Carlson and Leno, you know,
22:00
I think all together it was like the delivery. So
22:04
there's a piece of New York Magazine that sort of
22:06
lays out the timeline for how we got this current
22:09
crop of vaccines Maderna, Visor Johnson and Johnson, etcetera. And
22:14
they were all assembled around January, and trials began about
22:21
a month later. Just to read an extra from this article,
22:23
quote in Massachusetts, the Maderna vaccine design took all of
22:26
one weekend. It was completed before China had even acknowledged
22:28
that the disease could be transmitted from human to human
22:31
more than a week before the first confirmed coronavirus case
22:34
in the United States. By the time the first American
22:36
death was announced a month later, the vaccine had already
22:39
been manufactured and shipped to the National Institutes of Health
22:43
for the beginning of its Phase one clinical trial. So
22:47
meaning we had the vaccines the whole time people were dying. Yes,
22:53
And that's not to say, like, you know, what the
22:55
funk we had the vaccine the whole time. It's more about, like, obviously, yes,
22:59
their need to be safety. The safety and efficacy studies
23:02
are massively important because even if you have something like
23:06
one percent reactions that that could have been fatal in
23:10
the United States, that would have been three million people
23:13
dead off the vaccine. So on some level, like, yes,
23:16
we need to exercise caution. But this whole article sort
23:20
of raises the question like could we have done things
23:22
differently given the fact that we had we like we
23:25
were kind of getting ahead of it. We had it
23:27
and we were trying to test it. Like China, they
23:30
were already vaccinating their military. In June of Russia began
23:34
rolling out their vaccine in August, and there's definitely a
23:37
sense of like risk avoidance that's healthy. But when you
23:40
also consider like the f d A was authorizing things
23:43
like hydroxy chloroquine and rembissevere um like through emergency authorizations,
23:49
and they were totally ineffective and for in the case
23:52
of hydroxy chloroquine actually very harmful. It makes you wonder like,
23:55
how how can we be um a little bit more aggressive,
24:00
how we're trying to roll things out or get ahead
24:02
of it. And maybe it's at least partially because I
24:06
I always go back to this article where somebody used
24:09
the like crash analysis, like how when how they explain
24:15
air crashes after the fact and like look at every
24:19
system that contributed to the crash and then like do
24:23
a dive into like so how do we prepare or
24:26
how do we keep these from happening next time? And
24:28
it was like so much of what they found was
24:31
just like preventable Trump administration ship, right, And even just
24:36
like going to that like the fact that we got
24:39
these late night infomercial cures out to the public before
24:44
we got the actual vaccines. It's like, maybe maybe we
24:47
don't elect a scam artist. Yeah, And not to say
24:51
like you know, it should have or absolutely could have
24:55
been rolled out early. I mean, I think a lot
24:56
of people will be asking questions given the amount of
24:59
people who passed a A. But I think that's where
25:02
a lot of like in the science community, they're really
25:04
trying to take this as like they're you know this
25:07
one person who was sort of commenting on the article
25:10
is saying, like the difference between what war warfare looked
25:12
like in ninety eight versus what it looked like in
25:15
and knowing like you gotta go through some ship like
25:19
this to really figure like, oh, we're absolutely like we
25:23
actually need to completely rearrange things. And so one of
25:26
the big things is like right now, Um, there's a
25:29
vaccine scientists at Mount Sine Hospital who's saying, when you
25:32
look at these pandemics or illnesses that go from animal
25:37
to human, like in terms of transmission, there are only
25:39
a small number of ways for that to happen in
25:41
Influenza and coronavirus are the pretty much the biggest contributors.
25:45
So there's a way to get ahead of it. Um,
25:48
And this expert was saying, what you could address most
25:51
of the risk of new pandemics by mapping and prepping
25:53
vaccines for between fifty and a hundred viruses. He says
25:56
you could have banked vaccines for all of them at
25:59
a cost between one and three billion dollars, and saying,
26:02
if you just have these, you know, fifty to a
26:04
hundred virus vaccines, you can get ahead of it, start
26:07
doing efficacy testing, safety testing, and then do with what
26:11
we're doing now, which is sort of try and fine
26:13
tune it based on like you know, now the pharmaceutical
26:16
companies are trying to figure out booster shots to keep
26:18
up with mutations. So at least if we have the
26:21
groundwork done very quickly, then we can sort of we
26:25
can skip ahead to the steps that we really need
26:27
to make the vaccine like tailor made to whatever illnesses
26:30
out there. So it's just like a very it's a
26:33
lot to think about. But these are things that I
26:35
had not really understood because for the longest time it
26:38
was like, we're waiting for a vaccine until we find
26:41
the vaccine, knowing it was that we were just trying
26:44
to make sure that it was as safe as possible. Well,
26:48
many people passed away, but when you look at a
26:50
lot of you know, like polio or other vaccines, they
26:53
typically come at the end of the you know, the
26:57
cycle of the outbreak UM and this is unfortunately a
27:00
moment like that, I mean versus like one they could
27:02
like sort of stop in its tracks being like polio
27:05
what oh talk, No we call that no leo Now
27:08
with this vaccine. No, it's gonna take a little bit
27:11
of time. But yeah quote yeah Jay sulk in the building,
27:19
no leo. Um, yeah, it's it is. I think I
27:26
think people I'm definitely surprised to learn that they basically
27:30
had the vaccine the whole the whole time, and we're
27:33
just testing it too, too, Like I had some sense
27:36
that that was true, but I didn't realize that it
27:39
was like locked in. Like how many of the vaccines
27:42
that they tested were like did have negative reactions? I wonder,
27:48
you know, like yeah, I mean they say that that
27:52
process saved us from but well, the testing is necessary,
27:57
you know, figuring out if it's safe. I think I
28:00
think we could have done a lot of things like
28:03
in um adjacent departments, you know, logistics, how we're going
28:09
to distribute it, Like I think that could have all
28:12
been twinned sooner. And while there was a long time
28:17
table before the the vaccine got approved, like we could
28:21
have been better prepared to to actually ship it out
28:25
and get it to pile. I think this kind of
28:27
goes along with even like the last story of Hygiene
28:31
Theater is that it's also important for the science community
28:34
to be as transparent as possible too, because you don't
28:38
want to read some ship like they knew in January
28:42
like what the vaccine was, and it's not that they knew,
28:44
but they were working on it very quickly. But there's
28:48
also something to saying like yeah, like we had to
28:50
make sure next time this is like what's going to happen,
28:53
or saying like hey, we know we said spray everything
28:56
the funk down. We realized, you know, this is actually
28:59
what's going going on, because I think that's also I
29:01
think there are people who are willing to just trust
29:04
the science community and others where a little bit more
29:07
work has to be done because they're not, as you know,
29:09
focused on what it means the processes of research where
29:13
it's like more like the sciences like, hey, we're the
29:15
ones doing the work way out ahead. So in the
29:18
process we we learned ship and we realize some other
29:21
ship we thought was true. Isn't that's just the scientific method.
29:25
But I think allowing for like that sort of transparency
29:28
would just kind of also helped build more trust. Not
29:31
that I'm like, I'm completely skeptical now, but I think
29:33
that's an important thing for the science community. I think
29:35
they're also coming to grips with that idea as well
29:39
of saying, like, there were things we got wrong, there
29:41
were things we didn't know, and what can we also say,
29:45
like how can we communicate these things clearly so people
29:47
understand where we're coming from in our research. Yeah, I
29:50
think anytime you're doing this abstract thing where or any
29:54
time you're doing this messaging thing where you're viewing the population,
29:58
is this abstract like kind of heard of animals that
30:01
you have to like get this messaging, you know, hide
30:04
certain things and reveal certain things. I think that that
30:09
is based on the myth that undergirds like all of
30:14
American society, which is this like elitism that's like, well,
30:17
only the people who went to Ivy League schools can
30:20
be interd r and so we have to be the
30:24
only ones who know it. And it's it's actually just
30:27
like a self justifying like bullshit, you know, it's a
30:31
way to kind of keep the logic of American capitalism intact,
30:37
and it's it's actually really harmful, like it people, if
30:41
you tell the truth, just like tell the people what
30:46
what is actually happening, like, you're gonna have much better results.
30:50
But it just seems like that doing that is like
30:55
undercuts everything they want to tell them, want to believe
30:58
and tell themselves about like how elitism works. I think
31:03
there's a fine line too, between like encouraging you know,
31:08
best practices and then going overkill with that sort of paranoia. Uh,
31:15
hand sanitizer in every corner because the more like the
31:18
more visible that stuff is and the more everybody shoves
31:22
down your throat, Hey, wipe down all your groceries, wash
31:26
your hand, Like that's gonna cause so much burnout, Right
31:32
when when we are all vaccinated and there hasn't been
31:35
any new case that people are going to be like, well,
31:38
fuck hand sanitizer for the rest of my life. Right,
31:41
there was that point. There's a point early on and
31:44
even the hygiene theater piece kind of from the AP
31:47
talks about this that like they got it rolling at first.
31:50
They were like, wipe your groceries down, don't waste masks
31:54
if you're not you know, a frontline worker. And then
31:59
at a certain point they're like, oh, Ship, we got
32:00
that totally wrong. But yeah, there wasn't that. Oh Ship,
32:04
we got that Like that should have been the headline
32:06
on the New York Times. Oh Ship, we had it
32:08
totally wrong. Like we acknowledge that we're figuring this out
32:11
as we go and like just not putting that right
32:15
out in front and like assuming that you were handling
32:18
like it's this like whole pr thing. It's like, well,
32:21
how do we message that we got it totally wrong.
32:23
It's like just say you got it wrong and that
32:26
we're like now fixing that we're reacting to new information,
32:30
and just assume that people can fucking deal with that,
32:33
because anytime you're like hiding it or soft pedaling it
32:37
or like doing something some sort of like jiu jitsu
32:41
with the with the fact, it opens it up to
32:44
you know, the other side of the administration being able
32:48
to manipulate Ship and actually lie about it. It's because
32:51
they treat us like kids. So it's like how your
32:54
parents only tell you some shit about drugs rolling up
32:57
and oh really, oh really, yeah are getting around You're like, man,
33:01
they didn't know shit about what the funk were they
33:03
talking about because they were just trying to protect you
33:05
or whatever. And I think that similar relationship of like
33:09
not giving everybody the truth and being like, well, we
33:12
need to say this in order to sort of keep
33:14
this certain behavior up. Also isn't a good relationship to
33:18
have with like the mat like you know, the masses
33:20
and the science community, not to say that it's all bad,
33:23
because yeah, I get it, Like they also don't want
33:25
to undermine themselves by unfortunately saying like we got that wrong,
33:29
and because because they know that will in some people's eyes,
33:33
undermine their expertise, while other people who you know, understand
33:37
what experimentation works and research is that it's something that's evolving,
33:42
um over time. It could have also been a straight
33:45
up priority thing, like they were like, well let them
33:49
have their hand sanitizer. We're too busy telling people not
33:52
to drink bleach, right, you know, Yeah, there weren't a
33:58
lot of great options real because then I guess it's
34:01
like a parent who's like, Okay, we have our one
34:04
kid we really love who's smart and gets it, knows
34:07
what science is. Then we've got that other fucking kid
34:11
who if we get one thing wrong, they're gonna be
34:14
eaten tide pods again. So we got to split the
34:18
difference and just give blanket guidance that we know if
34:21
they follow this at the very least, that will mitigate
34:24
some sort of transmission risk. But yeah, yeah, it's tough,
34:28
and I'm sure there's legal liabilities that are like beyond
34:31
our understanding, but like that's just a it's that our culture,
34:37
like things like that have become so complex that it's
34:41
just like we we do at at a certain point
34:43
just be like tell people the truth. They can they
34:47
can deal with it. Yeah, but even though we're in
34:49
a post truth era, it's like no, but I mean
34:54
this seems like one where it was pretty clear cut,
34:57
like in terms of the the pandemic and like what
35:01
just like get get the information to people and as
35:05
quickly and as in and in as straightforward a manner
35:10
as possible, or they like could could frame it in
35:14
a different way rather than saying like, hey, we were
35:17
looked about this like like guess what, due to new
35:21
information we've got, we're announcing fuck hand sanitizer day. Or
35:26
to say I think the difference is not saying right
35:30
or wrong and using that binary. But you're learning, You're
35:35
we are learning. We have been struck with an a
35:39
virus that has not been known to us, and we
35:41
are learning about it as time goes on. We have
35:46
now learned that the initial analysis that we thought that
35:50
there could be surface transmission is actually it's okay. Now
35:54
that's what we have learned. Now, are you guys gonna
35:57
be mass people going forward? Like when you fly on
36:00
an airplane, are you gonna bring a mask? Rock a mask?
36:03
I feel like I'm gonna be masks from here on out?
36:06
What do you mean? Like why? Like, oh, just because
36:10
like thinking that the pandemic is over, therefore cast your
36:13
masks off beef. So No, I mean, I just think
36:17
it's seems like good practice, Yeah, on an airplane, given
36:21
that theirs over every single time I fly, Like that's
36:27
right exactly, And like I think the few times I
36:30
get like I've been gotten really sick, it's been from
36:32
air travel, um, so and I'm like, what do I
36:35
need a mask for? Meanwhile, there's like someone just with
36:38
a whose fever sweat is like getting all over the
36:40
back of my head, and I'm like, yeah, one other
36:44
kind of way that vaccine responses being complicated. Uh, that
36:49
we're we're seeing in Canada. Um, so Canada is actually
36:54
to our writer Jam McNab is, uh, you know, live
37:00
in Canada and for most of the he's Canadian. Yeah,
37:05
lives in Canada. And Miles, I don't want to out him,
37:07
you don't want to admit him. Yeah, come on, man,
37:10
how do I say this? He's located in Canada, his
37:15
physical location is Canada. How do I say is he's
37:18
like a Blue Jays fan if you um smells of
37:32
h But he's pointing out that, like the tables have
37:36
turned of late and now the CDC has issued a
37:41
level for travel advisory warning people from the US to
37:46
stay the funk out of Canada. And a big part
37:49
of the reason is because of just a really fucked
37:53
vaccine rollout. Uh. And it's also like he doesn't explicit
38:00
you call this out, but there seems to be a
38:01
lot of ways in which like they suffer from some
38:05
of the same issues we have where um, you know,
38:09
they used to have these big factories in the seventies
38:13
that would have been great at producing vaccines and just
38:16
like getting things off the ground, and then they because
38:21
they didn't like make money during non pandemic years, sell
38:25
it off to foreign companies, and like now they don't
38:29
have factories to make vaccines, and it's just all you know,
38:32
we've seen this the tailor as old as time. The
38:35
logic of letting international markets fucking run your entire like
38:41
every aspect of your culture, Like it doesn't work out
38:44
so well when your society is hit with a big
38:48
like unexpected pandemic. It's also like unfortunate too because for
38:52
all the things that is, Americans are like, oh man,
38:54
like fuck yeah, Canada like do that ship like you know,
38:58
set the prices of drugs, you know, like so it's
39:01
not you're not people aren't getting gouged. That like also
39:05
unfortunately had the the fucking the effect of pharmaceutical companies
39:10
being like, oh do we don't want to funk with
39:11
Canada because they're all like trying to advocate for their people.
39:15
So it was like because of that, yeah, just like
39:18
a really fucked up relationship. But where that's where you know,
39:21
big pharma will sort of lash out because you're trying
39:25
to ensure equitable outcomes for your citizens. Yeah, that's right,
39:28
don't look forward to that. I told you so, finger
39:31
wag from people against universalcare. Trudeau pitched the idea of
39:40
manufacturing the Fiser vaccine in Canada, but the company wanted
39:44
to move as fast as the speed of science would
39:47
allow uh, and Canada lacked the necessary capacity to manufacture
39:53
the vaccine UH in quantities. I mean, it's it's basically
39:58
what we said before, because they head factories that weren't
40:01
profitable and didn't you know, stay in business yeah, through
40:06
the seventies and eighties. I mean yeah, it's just like
40:10
it has so many layers of the ills of our
40:15
modern world on it too, where that you can, if
40:17
you're a uh, progressive person, you'd be like, oh, yeah,
40:21
what the fuck that the fun big pharma, which I
40:25
think is the cry of most people on this planet.
40:28
And then just kind of underlying the fact that even
40:31
a huge nation like Canada then becomes dependent on these
40:34
like external providers of the vaccine and how that can
40:38
exacerbate their vaccine rollout and just us in the US
40:43
being like, no, we're keeping all the vaccine. Yeah, yeah, potentially,
40:49
that's I mean, which is also another very Americans, fuck
40:53
everybody else, it's ours. Although we did we did loan
40:58
them some vaccines I think was word. Yeah, they just
41:01
have to give it back, to give the vaccines back
41:03
to us that they're done with. All right, let's take
41:09
another quick break and we'll be right back to talk
41:11
some Matt Gates, the subject that keeps on giving lock
41:16
the Gates, and we're back and all right. So more
41:32
continues to be revealed about Matt Gates and his you
41:37
know what, what his time and power has been like,
41:40
and people are now taking a second look at how
41:43
he was behaving towards the end of the Trump administration, uh,
41:47
specifically when the only thing that anybody really cared about
41:53
within the Trump orbit was whether they were going to
41:55
get pardoned, because that's you know, that's what. Yeah, some
42:02
pieces were like yeah, I think so. It just looks
42:06
it's as it's almost as if he knew what was
42:09
going He almost it's as if he knew the person
42:12
he was and the liability that he faced, because two
42:16
weeks after the election, Gates was just out there saying like,
42:22
you gotta pardon fucking everybody before the radical left get
42:26
the radical left gets their clause in you. And it's like,
42:29
what and that Matt Gates a quote he should pardon
42:31
the Thanksgiving Turkey. Uh, he should pardon everyone, from himself
42:35
to his administration officials, you know, to Joe Exotic if
42:39
he has to. And I was like, what the fun? Okay,
42:42
so you want everyone pardoned for everything? And I mean
42:47
it felt like, Okay, that just seems like a very
42:49
normal Fox News he kind of take of just sort
42:52
of like fear of the left. Yeah, but then you
42:56
find out and this other this new piece in the
42:58
New York Times. So his quote in the final weeks
43:01
of Mr Trump's term, Mr Gates sought something in return.
43:04
He privately asked the White House for blanket preemptive pardons
43:08
for himself and unidentified congressional allies for any crimes that
43:14
may have been committed, like the download avengers, Like if
43:21
they torranted right right right, that's probably It's almost like
43:25
he knew that he had committed these crimes almost. I mean,
43:30
according to you know, the timeline of this investigation, it
43:33
may have it sounds like it may have begun sometime
43:36
in the summer of so he may have known. He
43:38
may have been sweating for quite a bit of time.
43:41
And when you just sort of look at his behavior
43:43
throughout Trump's term, it really kind of looks like because
43:48
you're like, Damn mc gates is doing the fucking most
43:51
right now just to get on his good side. Although
43:52
where everyone was like, yeah, he's probably racist, like all
43:54
of them, Yeah, probably that too, but also a sick
43:57
of fan who had like eyes on something may be
44:00
down the road to really align himself with Trump, because
44:03
if you remember, he threatened Michael Cohen Um and like
44:07
they referred it to the Florida Bar because they're like,
44:09
this is witness intimidation. He remember he stormed the fucking
44:14
skiff during the first Um impeachment hearing when there's a
44:18
Testimo gonna with all those other idiot Congress people in
44:20
the ordered pizza and shipped to completely disrupt the hearing.
44:24
He regularly made an ass out of himself, debasing himself
44:29
at the feet of Trump, which got him a lot
44:31
of FaceTime, you know what I mean, Like his status
44:34
came up because like it seemed like his formula was
44:37
the more I ride for Trump, the closest I'm gonna
44:39
get to him, and now my stars going up, And
44:41
it was I think a lot of other people in
44:43
Congress like what the where did this motherfucker come from,
44:46
because he was doing a lot to get on Trump's
44:49
good side, and I just wanted There's this. In the
44:52
New York Times article, they have an excerpt from Matt
44:54
Gates's book, which I think again shows you just how
44:58
close he wanted to be to Trump. This is from
45:00
Matt Gates's book that he wrote, quote, the President has
45:03
called me when I was in my car, asleep in
45:05
the middle of the night on my long Worth office,
45:08
caught on the throne on airplanes, in nightclubs, and even
45:13
in the throes of passion. Yes, I answered, that's important too,
45:19
because that was a school night. Yeah, I mean, like,
45:24
what the funk this guy? I mean, he's really I
45:26
think you're seeing sort of this relationship and what he
45:29
was looking for. So, yeah, it doesn't look you don't
45:32
look very innocent, sir. And now he's trying to like
45:35
fund raise off of the um uh, like you know,
45:40
these investigations, like he's sending out to his constituentcy like
45:44
like a legal defense fund or just I don't even know,
45:48
Like it doesn't even matter. It's it's gonna go straight
45:50
to his pocket anyway. So whatever they call it, it's
45:52
just there's but he I mean unless he gets actually prosecuted,
45:59
Like he doesn't really have any incentive. It seems like,
46:03
you know, the Cuomo playbook seems to be pretty successful.
46:08
Like I I'm I'd be surprised if he actually steps
46:11
down unless he's uh actually indicted. Yeah no, I mean
46:16
why would It seems like the same with Cuomo is
46:19
just gonna be like what okay, Well, yeah, there's a
46:22
calculus to it. It's like if I, if I have
46:24
a certain amount of support or whatever, and the alternatives
46:28
don't seem as appealing, then I'll just deny, deny, deny,
46:31
and I'll get through the bad press and then I
46:34
can still, you know, stay in office and be an
46:36
absolute violator. Yeah, alright, let's talk about ketchup. Thank god finally,
46:44
am I right? Uh, we are experiencing a nationwide ketchup shortage,
46:50
which you know, I felt like it was only a
46:54
matter of time because there, in my opinion, there's only
46:57
one good brand of catchup, and you know that that
47:02
creates a I'm gonna go ahead and say a bottleneck.
47:06
Oh wow, where uh you should have tapped to the
47:09
fifty seven? Then yeah, I guess America should have tapped
47:12
the fifty seven. But yeah, so what why how's the
47:16
pandemic causing? Uh, there's so many like it's all the band. Okay. So,
47:22
first of all, when sit down restaurants, essince you became
47:25
take out restaurants, that just made individual catchup packets the
47:30
go to condiment that people you were sending people off with. Second,
47:34
because of the precautions, even if you had some form
47:37
of dining, they were saying, you know, let's avoid having
47:41
shared condiment bottles on tables just to keep everything as
47:44
sanitary a spot. Give people packets, don't allow them to
47:48
put their fork or knife or whatever, and to catch
47:50
up bottle and then like leave that for the next customer,
47:54
and to keep going up. So there are other things
48:00
because of this. Packet prices have gone up because the
48:04
demand is so high. The demand for packets was already
48:07
up by in July of last year, and it's only
48:11
been trending upward. And a lot of restaurants have been,
48:15
you know, not doing well because, like you're saying, Jack Kraft,
48:17
Heinz is, it's the best catchup we got, and um,
48:24
a lot of the like this research firm was saying
48:26
because of that. Heinz holds nearly seventy percent of the
48:29
market for like the ketchup market, because it's just acknowledge
48:32
of that and because of its large share, that's what's
48:35
sucking up like the entire condiment sort of industry when
48:39
it comes to catch up, because they're the biggest one
48:41
and they're now like hinz is full on create like
48:44
in an emergency mode, creating like additional manufacturing lines to
48:48
help keep up with demand. Because at the end of
48:50
the day, what this all means is nobody likes hunts
48:53
catch up, right, Yeah, it just doesn't have that. So
48:58
you're saying that um sitting on a gold mine in
49:02
my kitchen drawer. Yeah, yeah, this is exactly what my
49:08
Korean mother in law has been preparing us for for decades.
49:24
But this it sounds very similar to what caused the
49:28
toilet paper shortage. Is that it's pretty much the same
49:32
type of the same level of consumptions taking place. It's
49:36
just different delivery mechanisms and the delivery uh manufacturing chains.
49:43
So like the toilet paper that was in public places
49:48
that were no longer open or you know, public restrooms
49:51
that people were no longer using, all that toilet paper
49:54
was no longer necessary and everybody needed, you know, the
49:58
take home kind, and this is just basically need that
50:00
for ketchup, you need the the take home kind and
50:03
not the public consumption kind. Yeah, but if you're a
50:07
g you were out there stealing toilet paper from public restrooms, right,
50:10
I mean, you know, or if you're if you're smart,
50:12
you're taking handfuls at the burger stand getting ready. But
50:16
it's funny because yeah, right, Well that's the other thing
50:20
is that like a lot of companies have shifted to
50:21
just like trying to buy it, like just boxes of
50:24
it and then putting them in smaller containers to still
50:26
be able to give because people a lot of these restaurants,
50:29
like therett there are a few interviews like bar like
50:31
sports bar, tavern type places whose main you know, dishes
50:36
fries and burgers, and they're like and like this one
50:39
owners like there's no way I could have sent anything
50:42
but Hinds out with the food, Like I just in
50:45
for the years that this place has been open, it's
50:46
always been Hinds and like it was just funny. You
50:48
also reading how like restaurant tours are like having this
50:51
ideological thing of like I'm not gonna like give people
50:55
and these there's some other weird ships the burger, right yeah,
51:00
people are totally fine with is pepsi Okay, right, right, man,
51:06
I've come to I'm at the point now where I
51:10
will just get a regular pepsi over if they asked
51:13
me if diet pepsi's okay, that's how much I don't
51:15
like die pepsi so much worse than diet coke. I
51:19
will give myself diabetes over drinking diet pepsi. Yeah, well,
51:26
look to teach their own still like caffeine free diet pepsi.
51:31
Gold can, Yeah, that's the best. I love that flavor
51:35
because I always drank that was like it's called brown water.
51:39
Like she hated the fact that she had to drink
51:41
it the gold can though. It was like a flex
51:44
to me. Shout out Nana McMahon. You know my friends,
51:47
my homie's grandmother who always had that in the refrigerator.
51:49
I'm be like, yo, this ship is popping, bro I
51:51
never had in the gold can, but all nuts. So
51:55
it does seem like we are headed for a next
51:59
month or so where most people where the most people
52:05
in America are going to be getting vaccinated, especially in
52:08
our listener group. Um, like I I signed up yesterday
52:14
for a just to get like notified when I would
52:17
be able to do it with the City of Los Angeles. Uh,
52:21
it seems like people are like taking those sorts of
52:25
steps to be like, oh wow, this might actually be
52:27
a reality very soon. So Miles, you put together just
52:31
like kind of some notes on based on like how
52:36
people have reacted to the vaccine to this point, like
52:40
what in general, Like, yeah, because you know a lot
52:44
of people like as as it just opens up, you
52:47
see more and more anecdotes that people have been like Yo,
52:50
the fucking first one floored me or the second one
52:52
floored me one more often. But yeah, and it all
52:56
depends and I mean all the there's certain certain traits
52:59
or whatever physiology that sort of determines those things. But
53:04
there are just like, uh, you know a couple of
53:06
things to like keep in mind. First of all, that
53:08
those side effects are completely normal. So don't think, like,
53:11
oh my god, what's happening. It's because your body it's
53:13
it's activating your immune system and you're like downloading new
53:16
software to your immune system, being like this is just
53:20
the motherfucker you're trying to protect meat meat COVID nineteen
53:23
and it's like your body is just reading the dossier.
53:25
So yeah, your might your body might be reacting. But
53:27
you know what, that's a good sign because that means
53:29
your immune system is responding. Um. But then there's other
53:32
other questions like can you get out? Can you drink alcohol?
53:35
Is one I think a lot of people just in
53:37
general like has been out there and yes, you can
53:40
drink alcohol. There's if you you can check out the
53:43
articles and the footnotes. But one of these experts saying
53:45
yes you can drink alcohol, it doesn't the vaccine is
53:48
not there's no interaction between alcohol and the vaccine itself.
53:51
But also take it easy, don't. Don't. Don't. Also, just
53:55
like go on a bend, just because you can drink
53:56
doesn't mean you can get the gap. Okay, you gotta
53:59
take it eas because at the end of the day,
54:01
your body is going through a full on process. So
54:05
here's some things you should do for nausea. Get the
54:08
the the ginger tea or ginger ginger, whatever whatever you
54:12
need for your stomach. That's a great thing. Um. Do
54:15
not do anything like fast or anything drastic like juicing
54:19
or a detox amiss that again, your body is going
54:22
through a process and you want to hydrate as much
54:25
as possible, hydrate yourself with healthy fluids. And they said,
54:28
if you want to even get ahead of it, they
54:30
said this one doctor was saying, if you had a
54:33
diet like sort of Mediterranean diet that was more like
54:36
anti inflammatory and focused on that, you can a like
54:40
the response to the vaccine has shown to be better
54:43
in other like vaccine studies and also may help you
54:46
with you know, those little things like the headaches, um
54:49
and other ship that can come along with the vaccine.
54:51
Now have they are there any findings around if you
54:55
smoke a cigarette after getting the vaccine will pack in
54:58
a bigger buzz um Um. It depends on giving that's
55:03
true of giving blood. Uh So that's always I always
55:07
rush outside, you know, smoke a couple of SIGs if
55:11
you can power hit it. And if you remember, the
55:13
power hit is where you put it between your pinky
55:15
and your ring finger knuckle and then you comp that
55:17
against your other hand and you're just mainline naked shout
55:24
out telling my power hitters out there of cigarettes who
55:27
tried to get a cheap buzz produced Anta Hosnie just
55:30
saying yeah. Overall though, don't be partying on the vaccine
55:35
because at the end of the day, you want to
55:37
keep your immune system up, you know what I mean,
55:40
at the end of they take care of yourself. Used
55:41
this as a time too, if you have the you know,
55:44
ability to to just go easy and stay hydrated. What
55:48
do they say about um licking door knobs, because once
55:52
I get my second fouci Auchi, I'm gonna go hang out. Yeah,
55:58
I've seen your TikTok where it's just I have the
56:00
tiger and you're at a home depot licking all the
56:02
door knobs on just play and you're like getting ready
56:05
to a colonial one in my mouth. Oh, here's a
56:10
glass one loved those? Um yeah, I mean there's a
56:19
lot of things that are that are going to be
56:21
possible for for a lot of us. Steven, Yeah, mine
56:25
has just been an idea. I was saying this on
56:27
Fiance with Sophia. I really just want to eat corn
56:30
on the cob in a crowd, in a crowd, just
56:34
for whatever, very specifically, that feeling of having like a
56:36
lot or some kind of big corn on just some
56:38
corn cob and have people walking by me. I have
56:40
no mask on. Feels like just about the level of
56:43
freedom I'm ready for right now, crash of funeral, thank you,
56:49
he lived, how he died, he died, Corn on the cob,
56:52
in the crowd, before we move on to the next store.
56:54
I do. I just want to say, don't don't. Don't
56:57
smoke after giving blood. You can get the same effect
57:00
from just spinning around doing spinny bad. It just makes
57:03
you dizzy. Uh nicked Nickeote's bad? Yeah, quick quick, but yeah,
57:10
also hit a pack of filter list Marboro. I do
57:16
want to say, because I like started smoking when I
57:18
was like a teenager because I thought it looked cool
57:21
and uh look we were products of the eighties and night. Yeah,
57:24
fought fought that thing for decades. Yeah. Also just I mean,
57:30
people like the range of responses seems to be like
57:34
anything from like a really bad like ache like at
57:39
the injection spot, like I can't sleep on that side
57:43
of your body, all the way to my wife when
57:46
she got the second dose was like, had a it
57:49
seems like a pretty bad flu for uh twenty four
57:53
hours and was like I didn't want to tell anyone,
57:57
including me, because she knew that I'd be like I'm
57:59
not getting the vaccine now, I'm just joking. I told
58:03
you it was at that point where like the vaccine
58:06
was very early because she's a physician, so like she
58:09
didn't want to like say anything to anyone about it,
58:13
like making her feel sick right right right see. And
58:16
that's the thing that is and I get now we
58:18
know why the scientists too, are like fuck you know
58:21
because you don't so because some people, oh, I'm I
58:24
supposed to protect you from the fluid and you say
58:26
you have the oh see the injured, It's not how
58:32
it works, idiot. All right, let's talk really briefly about
58:38
just where we're at in terms of the glut of
58:42
blockbusters that are just stored up in Hollywood vaults right now,
58:46
backed up, backed up, Hollywood is backed up, baby and uh.
58:52
Scott Mendelsson, one of my favorite writers on Like the
58:56
Movie Industry, used the did you guys see the ghostbust
59:00
Years after Life like teaser with the little stay Puff
59:03
Marshmallow the baby Yoda. Yeah, he was like, well, they
59:08
should move up their release like and maybe that's what
59:10
the symbolizes that they're like testing the waters. But now
59:14
that Kim Kong verse Godzilla did like a really good,
59:20
a robust business last week. Uh, He's like there's now
59:25
like all this unused real estate between now and the
59:30
Memorial Day when people aren't dropping movies that they could
59:34
use to release movies like Ghostbusters Afterlife, and there's just
59:39
so many Like James Bond has been in the cans
59:42
so long that they're having to update his clothes to
59:45
make him like look less dated. Oh no, it's like
59:48
the phone right there and like the whatever phone they use, like, oh,
59:52
we're like three models cost given him a new haircut
59:55
because like he's got like the flock of seagulls haircut.
59:58
It's been in the can for so long. Um, but
1:00:03
it does, I don't know. It's also like Hollywood, as
1:00:08
we've talked about in the past, Hollywood is definitely not
1:00:12
like a optimal like logic machine. A lot of it
1:00:16
is studio executives realizing that if they release a movie
1:00:21
that is a big flop, they will get fired, and
1:00:24
so they tend to be more conservative, and but that
1:00:29
unfortunately that fucks like people who are actors or you know,
1:00:34
crew and aren't just movies aren't getting made because they
1:00:39
have the past two years of Blockbusters that they're just
1:00:43
sitting on um. But I would like to see those
1:00:46
Ghostbusters movie. This is the first time that I have
1:00:49
given a shit about it, and that's because of the
1:00:53
cute marshmallow people. Oh that's the Yeah. So that's the
1:00:59
thing is that they're cannibalistic and like it's just and
1:01:03
like laughing as they're being like eaten. So there's like
1:01:06
a real demonic like wait, the little stay Puff people
1:01:11
are cannibals. Yeah, they're cannibals. They're like they're s'mores in
1:01:15
each other. They're roasting each other with there being like like,
1:01:21
oh you see what being like burned over a grill
1:01:25
while they aren't holding the skewer and the one of
1:01:27
them everyone's widing down the skewer. Well, well it's lower
1:01:32
half is burning melting. Oh wow. And Paul Rudd is
1:01:37
plum mixed this. Yeah, Paul Rudd is the lead. This
1:01:43
also seems like something that they shot just to that
1:01:46
they were like, okay, as a response to Baby Yoda,
1:01:49
we will be creating this baby specifically for a trailer.
1:01:54
But that's in the movie. You think there's that's It
1:02:01
opens with him being like huh mok, almond fudge, like
1:02:05
just like a long shot of him going ice cream shopping.
1:02:09
It's like, there's no way that this advances any part
1:02:12
of the plot at all. What's happening. Uh, But you know,
1:02:18
hopefully those little stay Puff babies are in there because
1:02:22
I love them. And yeah, and then just in terms
1:02:26
of uh streaming, there's some kind of big shows shows
1:02:31
that Nielsen says are being like streamed as much as
1:02:38
like anything over the course of the pandemic that just
1:02:42
nobody's talking about because I think we just don't really
1:02:47
because Netflix doesn't like treat each release and like even
1:02:51
ahead of time, doesn't know what's going to hit. You know,
1:02:54
these shows that are probably being watched as much as
1:02:57
like Desperate Housewives when that first hit, right, And do
1:03:01
you guys remember that like being a moment in culture
1:03:04
where like all anyone talked about was Desperate Ye. I
1:03:09
never watched the show, and I feel like I know
1:03:11
what happens in that show, because the first season was
1:03:15
like such a phenomenon. Yeah, and then it set off
1:03:18
the Real Housewives reality thing, like, yeah, that ship to
1:03:23
the point where passively I'm like, yeah, with Steria Lane
1:03:26
where they live. But I've never seen. Yeah, I know
1:03:30
the name of their street and never never watched a
1:03:33
single moment of an actual episode. But there's a show
1:03:37
called Ginny and Georgia which is like about a sexually
1:03:43
empowered single mother her mixed race daughter, like moving to
1:03:48
a new town. Uh it's I don't know, it's my
1:03:53
I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw parts
1:03:56
of it, and it just seems like it's the sort
1:03:59
of thing that if it were released on ABC today
1:04:02
would be a hit, and people are just Uh. There's
1:04:06
also the show Virgin River that seems to be very similar.
1:04:11
I forget the name of that show, but we reviewed it.
1:04:13
It was like a or it was a movie about
1:04:16
a woman who like movie farm. Uh no, she was.
1:04:19
It wasn't Katie Holmes, but it was might as well
1:04:22
have been, and she like leaves it. She's getting a
1:04:26
divorce and moves to a farm with her kids. It
1:04:30
has Josh Dumel and he is an anti Baxtor and
1:04:35
a oh no, it's not Josh dul It has has
1:04:39
one of those hunks and the male lead is like
1:04:44
a the apocaly He's like an Apocalypse prepper. Um. Anyways,
1:04:48
Virgin River is about like a city girl from Los
1:04:50
Angeles who goes to be a nurse in like a
1:04:52
small town. So it's like, got that same, it's a
1:04:55
it's a holiday movie premise, yes, very much. So that's
1:04:58
a HOLLI that's what holiday movies are. A person from
1:05:01
the big city yep goes to little town and learns
1:05:04
what it means to live simply. Okay. I mean it's
1:05:08
the things like even with Jenny and Georgia. I just
1:05:11
you know, these shows are big because they don't leave
1:05:13
the top ten. Whenever I fire up Netflix and they say,
1:05:16
do you want to continue Formula one Drive to Surve?
1:05:18
Obviously yes, but what else is Jenny and Georgia is
1:05:23
also on there? Okay? I see you? But yeah, for me,
1:05:26
it always takes like critical mass of like four people
1:05:31
plus Anna Josane to tell me to watch it and
1:05:33
then I'm alright, find it's nailed on. His name might
1:05:36
be the most influential streamer in America because once she's
1:05:40
onto something, it's, uh, can we do like can we
1:05:43
do like like bets like like big bets on like
1:05:46
popularity as of shows you know, based on that, you
1:05:49
know what I mean? The stream whisper and yeah, ten
1:05:53
thousand down on Jenny and Georgia season two. Man, I
1:05:55
think it's gonna do numbers. Let me just find it's
1:06:00
gonna flomp, It's gonna whereas reggae jehan. Uh. The show
1:06:05
we were talking about was The Lost Husband Uh, and
1:06:09
it was Leslie bib and and it was Josh Demel
1:06:14
as the Apocalypse Prepper. But that it was interesting that
1:06:18
like somebody who would ultimately be it would have ultimately
1:06:22
rated the Capital on January six. The is the male
1:06:26
lead of that show. Yeah, but it's busy learning to
1:06:30
love again. You learn to love the country again. Uh.
1:06:34
Stephen as always such a pleasure having you. Man. Where
1:06:37
can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Uh?
1:06:43
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram. Wilber with
1:06:47
an e. Uh if you can't spell it, I don't
1:06:50
want you to follow me. I still have my my
1:06:54
my debut, my first debut album, sixteen Bits is out.
1:06:58
To listen to it you want on Spotify or Pandora,
1:07:03
I guess, or you could buy it. Who cares? Um? Yeah,
1:07:08
that's it. Not to the original Sega Genesis Super Nintendo's right,
1:07:14
And is there a tweet or some of the work
1:07:17
of social media. You've been enjoying. Man, I was going
1:07:20
through it and I was not loving anything. And then
1:07:27
Kevin O'Shea at o'sh computer said, uh, Seattle a bet,
1:07:35
what cities above Tacoma? That got me? That's pretty good. Oh, Miles,
1:07:44
where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram?
1:07:47
Miles of gray. Also in Four Day Fiance, Oh, I've
1:07:51
got some I got some tweets I'm liking and I'm
1:07:53
loving them. First one, uh is from DJ fuck at Eggshell.
1:07:59
Friend says, my grandpa saw you across the bar and
1:08:02
we love your vibe. Can we inherit your chocolate factory?
1:08:09
Another one is from uh this is Killer meg at
1:08:14
horse Underscore feedback twnting any beer under five per cent
1:08:17
is fine to give to children. Yeah, which, yeah, that's
1:08:20
not that tracks. Um Dan kois ko I s tweeted, um,
1:08:24
this interview absolutely delivers. It's from Slate and the first
1:08:27
is the title. It says, an interview with the guy
1:08:29
who yells Mortal Kombat in the theme from Mortal Kombat.
1:08:34
Nearly three day decades later, he's still got it and
1:08:37
they they go down in the interview. He just doesn't
1:08:40
expert up this one. Part says I see, will you
1:08:43
do it over the phone, And the guy says, would
1:08:45
I do it over the phone? Absolutely, let's hear it,
1:08:48
And it's just in text Mortal Kombat with an exclamation point.
1:08:52
But the guy hit him with the Mortal Kombat scream
1:08:55
and you love it. And then finally this one just
1:08:57
felt right for everything we talked about a j at
1:09:01
a Kumar Underscore FTW tweetd I faced more peer pressure
1:09:06
in my life to start animals than do drugs. Yeah right, Yeah,
1:09:12
that's that's the real ship I think on Internet right now.
1:09:15
I've tried to start attack on titans so many times
1:09:18
and I'm just I guess I'm just not cool. Uh.
1:09:24
In keeping with Steven the theme of Stevens tweet, AO
1:09:29
Doc two sees tweeted, call me Zach because I don't
1:09:33
know what the f ron with me. Yes, sir, you
1:09:40
can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You
1:09:42
can find us on Twitter at daily zeitgeys for at
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1:09:51
posts our episodes and our footnotes where we take off
1:09:55
to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
1:09:58
as well as a song. Do we recommend you go
1:10:00
check out? Miles? What song should people be checking out? Man?
1:10:05
If you remember we had Illingsworth from Detroit on the
1:10:08
show last week, uh and another I've just been listening.
1:10:11
I hope you all been listening to. I hope you've
1:10:12
been supporting him. But there's another Illingsworth track called everhard
1:10:16
E V E R H A R D and I'm
1:10:19
just I Look. If you like that sample based hip hop,
1:10:22
you know, if you're a Dilla fan, if you like
1:10:24
just really choppy, sample instrumental stuff and you can rhyme too,
1:10:28
you gotta keep listening to our boilings Worth, So check
1:10:31
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1:10:45
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1:10:47
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